Burn A Koran Day

[Whisper]

Qur'an burning plan still on: pastor
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A Florida pastor said Tuesday he would go ahead with plans to burn copies of the Qur'an on Sept. 11, despite condemnation by the top U.S. general and NATO commander in Afghanistan.

Pastor Terry Jones, of Gainesville's Dove World Outreach Center, said he considered Gen. David Petraeus' concerns "very, very serious" but was still "weighing the situation."

Petraeus had earlier issued a stern warning that burning the Muslim holy book could endanger U.S. troops and Americans worldwide.

Jones said he was praying about the situation and was open to having his mind changed.

"We are definitely weighing the situation," Jones said. "We are weighing the thing that we are about to do, what it could possibly cause, what is our actual message, what are we trying to get across. It's very, very important that America wakes up."

The small evangelical church plans to burn copies of the Muslim holy book on Saturday, the ninth anniversary of the attacks on the U.S. The church has been denied a permit to hold a bonfire but has said it will go ahead with the burning.

"Images of the burning of a Qur'an would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan — and around the world — to inflame public opinion and incite violence," Petraeus wrote in an email to The Associated Press.

"I am very concerned by the potential repercussions of the possible [Qur'an] burning. Even the rumour that it might take place has sparked demonstrations such as the one that took place in Kabul yesterday. Were the actual burning to take place, the safety of our soldiers and civilians would be put in jeopardy and accomplishment of the mission would be made more difficult."

The U.S. Embassy in Afghanistan has also condemned the church's plans.

Protests erupt in Kabul, Indonesia

On Monday, hundreds of Afghans demonstrated outside a mosque in Kabul. They burned U.S. flags and an effigy of Jones. The protesters chanted "Death to America," and they briefly threw stones at a passing U.S. military convoy until rally organizers told them to cease.

Demonstrations have also taken place in several cities in Indonesia.

Fifteen people died in riots in Afghanistan in 2005, after Newsweek magazine reported that interrogators at the U.S. detention centre in Guantanamo Bay allegedly flushed a copy of the Qur'an down the toilet in order to provoke inmates to talk. The magazine later retracted its story.

In an article carried Tuesday, the Vatican's newspaper said Christians around the world were protesting the plan to burn the Qur'an.

The headline on the story in L'Osservatore Romano read: "No one burns the Qur'an."

In the article, Archbishop Lawrence John Saldanha of Lahore, Pakistan, described the plan to burn the book as "contrary to the respect owed all religions and against our doctrine and faith."



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/09/07/afghanistan-general-petraeus-quaran-burning.html#ixzz0ysGOJxVF

[Sage]

Well, if he bought the books or had them donated to him, they're his property, and whether or not doing this would make him a jerk, he's more than welcomed to do it. They're his books. If he wants to burn them, he can.

[Sugaree]

So does that mean we can have "Burn A Bible Day"?

[Sage]

I hate religion as much as the next guy, but I just don't find the idea of book-burning to be appealing.

[deadpie]

So does that mean we can have "Burn A Bible Day"?

That would be every day.

[Sapphire]

I find it disgusting that a religious man would consider burning another persons holy scriptures.
This would insult and anger Muslims as a whole and not just the extremists. What would the benefit of that be? How would insulting and angering innocent people benefit the book burners or America at large?
It wouldn't. It would simply fuel more ill feeling between Muslims and Americans.

[YesterdaysNews]

Way to be accepting of everyone.
Christians like him think they can get away with anything.

[Sith Lord 13]

Just playing devils advocate, but what do you think would happen if it had been a mosque that decided to burn bibles instead? I doubt it would have provoked this level of response, no?

[Sapphire]

Just playing devils advocate, but what do you think would happen if it had been a mosque that decided to burn bibles instead? I doubt it would have provoked this level of response, no?
It would probably have provoked a stronger response in light of the islamophobia that currently exists in our world.

[Atonement]

Just playing devils advocate, but what do you think would happen if it had been a mosque that decided to burn bibles instead? I doubt it would have provoked this level of response, no?

I'm pretty sure it happens frequently. Not by everyone, of course not, but I'm sure it goes on.

Right, so, this story makes me abso-fucking-lutely disgusted to call myself American let alone Christian. Its so ridiculous. I can't believe how people can be so intolerant and hateful. I'm ashamed to be associated with this pastor.

[Amnesiac]

Sure, he has a constitutional right to burn Korans. Legally, he can't be stopped.

But goddamn, this guy's an idiot. If your only goal in life is to insult entire cultures and make your nation look even worse to the rest of the world, you shouldn't be in that nation.

[DarkHorses]

This is pretty much the reason why there will never be peace among different religions, because of idiots like this guy. I don't agree with a lot of the things in the Qur'an, but I respect their beliefs and would never go about burning something that means something to someone else. It's important to them, so it's extremely disrespectful to literally burn something they believe in. I seriously can't imagine being that ignorant.

[Scooby Dooby Drew]

This guy honestly calls himself a pastor?
Ugh, anyone who burns religion's holy book (or really any book) doesn't deserve to be called that v.v

[Sith Lord 13]

It would probably have provoked a stronger response in light of the islamophobia that currently exists in our world.

You really think so? I doubt we'd see anyone getting killed over it, as will happen if this goes through.

[Mackenzie_]

damn i live in florida too... my grandparent live in g-ville and that town is whack... churches (all call first babptist) on every corner!! i h8 that town

[Mackenzie_]

trust me hes the craziest mofo out there dont trust to dud hate the damn guy

[deadpie]

Ok, so you burn the Qu'ran. There's still a million out there and people are going to believe in what it says. Same with every religious document.

Trying to make a statement by dissing other people's statement with fire isn't going to make them believe your statement any better. Actually it makes the matter worse. If you want to argue about how that religion is wrong, civilly do it - don't burn a fucking book. You're not proving shit.

Get it through your fucking head you dumb pastor - Two wrongs don't make a right unless you're on a mother fucking airplane.

[huginnmuninn]

this make sme med enough to burn a bible but i dont feel like burning a religious groups book is a good response to anything

[Whisper]

Just playing devils advocate, but what do you think would happen if it had been a mosque that decided to burn bibles instead? I doubt it would have provoked this level of response, no?

I doubt people would freak if they built a Christian church by ground zero

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[Suicune]

Sure, he has a constitutional right to burn Korans. Legally, he can't be stopped.

But goddamn, this guy's an idiot. If your only goal in life is to insult entire cultures and make your nation look even worse to the rest of the world, you shouldn't be in that nation.

I'm really tired, so, my memory is foggy, but isn't it illegal to do something that would incite hate or violence towards a group or religion?

[JimSauce]

This guy is a disgrace. Way to paint Americans in a horrible light... at least I don't have to call myself Christian.

Well, if he bought the books or had them donated to him, they're his property, and whether or not doing this would make him a jerk, he's more than welcomed to do it. They're his books. If he wants to burn them, he can.

Sure, he can do that if he wants, but the consequences of his actions come into question. I mean he hasn't even done it yet and look at how violent the response is... Riots across the world, burnings of the American flag, several already dead? Is this what he wants?

Religion is wonderful when it brings society together and gives people hope for the future. But when idiots like this, and other Muslim/Jewish/whatever extremists perpetuate intolerance and violence under the cause of "religion", I feel like the world would be better off without it.

Just sad.

[Sage]

Religion is wonderful when it brings society together

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Jesus fucking Christ I just fell off my chair in real life. Religion divides people. It may bring people of the same religion together but it will always ultimately divide people eventually. Countless events throughout history all across the world suggest the contrary to the part of your post I've quoted.

That aside, I merely said he's legally allowed to do it, nowhere did I imply I felt it was a good idea. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

[Raptor22]

Is it legal? Yes
Its it bad taste? Yes
Does it just give ammunition to our enemies? Yes
Does it distract from the occasion and real issues of religion? Yes

What bothers me the most is that there are public protests and outrage in the Muslim community anytime someone makes a cartoon of Muhammad or some crazy guy in Florida burns some Korans, however why arent there protests when they have suicide bombings that kill innocent people in the name of THEIR religion. I know if someone belonging to my religion was going around killing people and associating it up with my religion, I would be outraged....

Why does the muslim community tolerate the violence perpetrated by people blaspheming their religion, yet become outraged at a cartoon or some loon burning books?

Why didnt protests erupt in Kabul and Indonesia after Al Qaeda killed 3000 people nine years ago? They want to have their cake and eat it too...

I doubt people would freak if they built a Christian church by ground zero

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Iluminati/1283738376701.jpg

Christians didnt blow up the fucking twin towers and kill 3000 people in the name of Christianity...

Muslims did.

And I dont buy your stupid cartoon...

Strippers, Drug Dealers, and Porn Stars werent responsible for killing 3000 people. Muslims however were. Couldnt they find a more tasteful place to put their place of worship?

[Rainstorm]

Is it legal? Yes
Its it bad taste? Yes
Does it just give ammunition to our enemies? Yes
Does it distract from the occasion and real issues of religion? Yes

What bothers me the most is that there are public protests and outrage in the Muslim community anytime someone makes a cartoon of Muhammad or some crazy guy in Florida burns some Korans, however why arent there protests when they have suicide bombings that kill innocent people in the name of THEIR religion. I know if someone belonging to my religion was going around killing people and associating it up with my religion, I would be outraged....

Why does the muslim community tolerate the violence perpetrated by people blaspheming their religion, yet become outraged at a cartoon or some loon burning books?

Why didnt protests erupt in Kabul and Indonesia after Al Qaeda killed 3000 people nine years ago? They want to have their cake and eat it too...



Christians didnt blow up the fucking twin towers and kill 3000 people in the name of Christianity...

Muslims did.

And I dont buy your stupid cartoon...

Strippers, Drug Dealers, and Porn Stars werent responsible for killing 3000 people. Muslims however were. Couldnt they find a more tasteful place to put their place of worship?

You clearly are a far right side....


Did every Muslim hijack the planes? No.


ONLY extremists did it. And plenty of Muslims have protested and fought against the people that did kill 3000 people.

Grow the hell up and stop bashing an entire religion for a few bad apples.

[Sage]

Muslims did.


Al Qaeda did. All members of Al Qaeda may be muslims, but not all muslims are members of Al Qaeda. Just for shits and giggles, I might also add there are a few buddhist shrines and shinto temples in Hawaii not too far from Pearl Harbor.

[Mzor203]

Y'know. Contrary to how I debate (I debate for the fun and for the critical thinking way more than anything else), I don't have anything against Christians. My cousin's a Christian.

I hate extremists though.

I don't think I've ever insulted anyone directly through namecalling, but I think it's justified here.

This guy's a dick.

[The Joker]

Is he asking for Al Qaeda to attack America again? Those motherfuckers take that book very seriously.

[Sage]

Those motherfuckers take that book very seriously.
Yeah, fanboys annoy me too.

[The Joker]

Yeah, fanboys annoy me too.

Fuggin' Twihards.

[Sage]

Fuggin' Twihards.

If Twilight fans are Twihards, does that make Al Qaeda... DIE HARDS? :cool:

[Magus]

Muslims did.

Which why I specifically made this thread: Click me (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1014067#post1014067) - but nobody bothers to do anything in my thread. :yawn:

Why is there no outrage you say? It all goes back to Zionism. Arab and Muslims hated America for one thing - Supporting Zionism. Arab didn't want the America to involve with the Israeli establishment. But they did, in any way.

Yes, some Muslims were even happy when it happened, and they even ran to the streets enchanting "Allah Akbar"; some of them disdained this horrific act, they just sat in their home, watching Al-Jazeera silently.

If you want to use the Accident fallacy. Fine. Then why didn't the Protestant Christians came out in rage when the KKK rampageously killed American Negroids? I bet they were all happy in exterminating the blacks, no?

Wait...that's fallacious? Of course, man. It is the same situation with Muslims, my dear.

Those motherfuckers take that book very seriously.

Yeah. And Hindu take their scriptures(Vedas) lightly. They don't even care if you burn their holy book.

[Sapphire]

You really think so? I doubt we'd see anyone getting killed over it, as will happen if this goes through.You don't know that anyone will get killed over this.
Do you really think a society that is already prejudiced against Muslims would not rise up in the face of a "Bible bonfire"?

[The Batman]

Even if this a complete stupid thing to do it's not like some Muslims haven't been burning american flags for years. Guy is still an idiot though.

[Magus]

Even if this a complete stupid thing to do it's not like some Muslims haven't been burning american flags for years. Guy is still an idiot though.

You are equating a National flag* with a Religious material?

*Yes. I now what the flag represents, its value and what not.

Some Muslims were Also Burning other nations flag too. Heck, I burned a Paki flag!

Now. In what way burning a flag blasphemous? Please elucidate.

[Kaius]

And this is going to help.. What? Don't they realise retaliating is just going to make it worse? Christ, its becoming more and more like little kids having a fight in a playground every single day.

[steve1234]

This is pathetic. I have no idea why they think its a good idea. It will just make people hate christianity and create tensions. Also, the news report here in the UK says that this could cause a rise in violence against soldiers in Afganistan....well, surely having this news item all over the world's media will just make more people know about it and make the situation worse. Stupid media and stupid radical religious leaders :confused:

Also, that whole arguement with the Ground Zero mosque. I assumed it was being built actually on Ground Zero...that might not be such a good idea, but its no where near it, so I don't know why there is a problem. My concern is with the source of the mosque's funding which apparently has links to extremist groups. I think the funding should definatly come from a Muslim organisation based in the USA, not the middle east.

[The Batman]

You are equating a National flag* with a Religious material?

*Yes. I now what the flag represents, its value and what not.

Some Muslims were Also Burning other nations flag too. Heck, I burned a Paki flag!

Now. In what way burning a flag blasphemous? Please elucidate.

The flag is as symbolic to America as the Koran is to Muslims, just because they both aren't religious materials doesn't mean they don't hold equal values to the separate people.

[Sapphire]

This is pathetic. I have no idea why they think its a good idea. It will just make people hate christianity and create tensions. Also, the news report here in the UK says that this could cause a rise in violence against soldiers in Afganistan....well, surely having this news item all over the world's media will just make more people know about it and make the situation worse. Stupid media and stupid radical religious leaders :confused:

Also, that whole arguement with the Ground Zero mosque. I assumed it was being built actually on Ground Zero...that might not be such a good idea, but its no where near it, so I don't know why there is a problem. My concern is with the source of the mosque's funding which apparently has links to extremist groups. I think the funding should definatly come from a Muslim organisation based in the USA, not the middle east.How is it stupid of the media to do its job and report the news? The pastor is the stupid one, not the media.

I don't see why you don't think the funding should come from the Middle East. They do have good organisations out there, you know.

[Sith Lord 13]

You don't know that anyone will get killed over this.

Know, no, but the probability is extremely high. Otherwise Petraeus wouldn't have gotten involved.

Do you really think a society that is already prejudiced against Muslims would not rise up in the face of a "Bible bonfire"?

I don't believe the response would be anywhere near the same magnitude, no.

[The Batman]

I don't believe the response would be anywhere near the same magnitude, no.

Yes it would, if there were a burn the bible day in america lead by muslims. Shit would hit the fan and it would be a lot worse than what this guy is getting.

[Sith Lord 13]

Yes it would, if there were a burn the bible day in america lead by muslims. Shit would hit the fan and it would be a lot worse than what this guy is getting.

Do you think there would be rioting in other countries, or soldiers put in additional danger because of it?

[The Batman]

Do you think there would be rioting in other countries, or soldiers put in additional danger because of it?

Since there are no soldiers here, no. There will be people in other countries having a shit over it though. Also, whoever doing it, will have their life threatened and lives of other Muslims in america as well. The way you're describing it is as if we're all just going to ignore it or roast marshmallows on it.

[Sith Lord 13]

Since there are no soldiers here, no. There will be people in other countries having a shit over it though. Also, whoever doing it, will have their life threatened and lives of other Muslims in america as well. The way you're describing it is as if we're all just going to ignore it or roast marshmallows on it.

No, there would be peaceful protests and angry words. Perhaps even death threats. I don't believe anyone would end up dying over it though.

Also, in which other countries, do you believe there would be riots?

[Sapphire]

No, there would be peaceful protests and angry words. Perhaps even death threats. I don't believe anyone would end up dying over it though.Why not? People in America kill over things like animal rights so why would being insulted in such a way barely register on the scale?

[The Batman]

No, there would be peaceful protests and angry words. Perhaps even death threats. I don't believe anyone would end up dying over it though.

Also, in which other countries, do you believe there would be riots?

Are you sure we're talking about the same country?

[Clawhammer]

This guy is an ass. No wonder so many people hate us Christians.

[Suicune]

This guy is an ass. No wonder so many people hate us Christians.

People hated Christians before the guy planned to burn a book he can't read.

[brennaluvv]

This is so stupid that it's funny. Who would even DO that?

[Raptor22]

You clearly are a far right side....


Did every Muslim hijack the planes? No.


ONLY extremists did it. And plenty of Muslims have protested and fought against the people that did kill 3000 people.

Grow the hell up and stop bashing an entire religion for a few bad apples.

I wasnt bashing on a religion, I dont mind the religion. I think you are reading my post wrong. I never said anything that wasnt factual...

Al Qaeda did. All members of Al Qaeda may be muslims, but not all muslims are members of Al Qaeda.

I understand that. :)

I was merely exposing his analogy as baseless and stupid. Yes it was true that Muslims perpetrated 9/11, and it is also true that 99% of them did not approve of it.

[paul48]

so ridiculous and un-american to burn them.

[Raptor22]

so ridiculous and un-american to burn them.

Agreed. :)

And I am a conservative...

[Sith Lord 13]

so ridiculous and un-american to burn them.

Ridiculous? Yes.

Un-American? Not so much. One of the things America is about freedom of expression, including the expression of ridiculous and stupid ideas. So long as his fire doesn't hurt anyone or destroy anything that isn't supposed to be destroyed, it would be un-American to deny him his right to do it.

[Sapphire]

So long as his fire doesn't hurt anyone or destroy anything that isn't supposed to be destroyed, it would be un-American to deny him his right to do it.
I would argue that religious scriptures aren't supposed to be destroyed...

[Sith Lord 13]

I would argue that religious scriptures aren't supposed to be destroyed...

Legally or ethically?

Ethically, I agree with you. Legally? It's his right to destroy his property any way he sees fit.

[Raptor22]

Ridiculous? Yes.

Un-American? Not so much. One of the things America is about freedom of expression, including the expression of ridiculous and stupid ideas. So long as his fire doesn't hurt anyone or destroy anything that isn't supposed to be destroyed, it would be un-American to deny him his right to do it.

Well, in that regard it isnt, however when you understand that this nation was founded on principles of religious freedom, it really goes against what the USA is supposed to be all about...

[Sith Lord 13]

Well, in that regard it isnt, however when you understand that this nation was founded on principles of religious freedom, it really goes against what the USA is supposed to be all about...

Religious freedom from state interference. Not from people talking bad about it. Not from people insulting it. If anything, getting involved would violate freedom of religion, as one's religious views can both be for or against a particular religion.

[Asylum]

this makes me really angry... what happened to respect?!?! this is against Christianity.. this makes me soo upset :'( people need to calm down and look at the facts... 9/11 was by terrorists. not the muslim people as a whole.. 9/11 is against muslim beleifs. they wouldn't do that... it was terrorists. we don't say no churche cuz of the cursades in Europe, or because Charles Manson was a serial killer... (i did some research and apparently he was chisitan). i'm sick of people hating on the Muslims. they are good kind and peopple of faith. Muslim means submission to God, it dones't mean terrorist. i'm sick of those who are like eww Muslim.. terrorist!!!. stopthe discrimination. discrimination is against christianity... so they r contadicting their own faith xp. that pastor who is hating on the muslims is oing against his own beliefs... xp nice going... this is just giong to stir crazy chaos up. burning a holy book... what will that do... cause a religious war. veery smart idea... NOT! yes... let's instigate, hurt people's feelings, and cause more deaht.. cuz that's a great idea... and i'm sure God ad the Bible will approve...pshhh...

[Atonement]

Can we stop this man from doing it? No. Is he stupid for doing it? Yes.

Speaking of un-american acts. To deny him of his right to burn them is un-american, yet to burn them is un-american. And really, burning them is potentially hurting people. Literally. Riots, as mentioned, have started already which put our soldiers in danger abroad.

[Lights]

It's a wonder how naive people/groups like this church struggle to understand why the world powers are hit by terrorist attacks when people have the irresponsibility to publicly announce something like this.

What do they expect? If they seriously expect no retaliation, whether it be today, tomorrow or next year, they're very naive and short-sighted.

Sure I think there are some of us that are still grieving the loss of 9/11 and considering just how horrendous it was, but doing something like burning a whole culture's holy book is a step too far.
What people forget is that most Muslims are actually very rational and kind people. There are just the odd few people that exploit the Quran to what they want. One thing the Quran does not specifically forbid is violence and a few Muslims exploit this. Somehow they think Allah wants them to commit these attacks.

This church needs to look further than its own feelings about Muslims and what happened with 9/11. It needs to consider the terrible consequences that may follow. I believe I heard there were thoughts of recreating the twin towers. Just like that, burning the Quran is extremely provocative and it will almost certainly result in the loss of lives. People need to think about other people than just themselves. The last thing we ever want is a 9/11 repeat.

[Perseus]

This guy is part of a cult.

[Tiberius]

i'm sick of people hating on the Muslims. they are good kind and peopple of faith.
Then explain their treatment of women. Explain they're denial of basic human rights in the name of Allah. Explain the fanatical hatred of Israel that is prevalent among people in many Islamic nations. Explain the killings of gays around the world by Muslims simply because the Koran says it's wrong. From a logical prospective, it's a religion of suppression, discrimination and hatred.

[Perseus]

Then explain their treatment of women. Explain they're denial of basic human rights in the name of Allah. Explain the fanatical hatred of Israel that is prevalent among people in many Islamic nations. From a logical prospective, it's a religion of suppression, discrimination and hatred.

Too bad that's only thirteen percent of the population of Islam.

[Tiberius]

Too bad that's only thirteen percent of the population of Islam.

Show me a real fact supporting that and I might believe it.

[Perseus]

Show me a real fact supporting that and I might believe it.

In my AP Human Geography textbook it specifically said that there is thirteen percent of the Shi'ite, which are the extremists. As of right now I can't find evidence since I don't have enough time.

[Tiberius]

I wasn't referring to extremists.

[Perseus]

I wasn't referring to extremists.

Then what were you were referring to?

[Sith Lord 13]

It's a wonder how naive people/groups like this church struggle to understand why the world powers are hit by terrorist attacks when people have the irresponsibility to publicly announce something like this.

What do they expect? If they seriously expect no retaliation, whether it be today, tomorrow or next year, they're very naive and short-sighted.

Sure I think there are some of us that are still grieving the loss of 9/11 and considering just how horrendous it was, but doing something like burning a whole culture's holy book is a step too far.
What people forget is that most Muslims are actually very rational and kind people. There are just the odd few people that exploit the Quran to what they want. One thing the Quran does not specifically forbid is violence and a few Muslims exploit this. Somehow they think Allah wants them to commit these attacks.

This church needs to look further than its own feelings about Muslims and what happened with 9/11. It needs to consider the terrible consequences that may follow. I believe I heard there were thoughts of recreating the twin towers. Just like that, burning the Quran is extremely provocative and it will almost certainly result in the loss of lives. People need to think about other people than just themselves. The last thing we ever want is a 9/11 repeat.

1) Did we provoke September 11th? No. You can't blame him for a future terrorist attack. There is a small but very resilient group of people dedicated to destroying the things America stands for. Until America becomes an Islamic nation in line with their desires, they will not stop.

2) What you're describing is exactly what the terrorists want. You're limiting your behaviors based on your fear of the terrorists. It's things like what you're saying that lead to more terrorist attacks, because it shows them that by using fear, they can control us.

I'm not saying we be stupid about things, no. But it means we have to increase security when we do the things they don't like, not bow to their wishes.

(Again, for the record, the pastor was being an idiot, but because burning a book sacred to hundreds of millions is not a suitable recourse to show defiance to a very small percentage.)

[Obscene Eyedeas]

vt daily chronicle :arrow: rotw

[Sage]

1) Did we provoke September 11th? No.

Uhh, yes we did, by taking a side in the whole Israel/Palestine conflict.

[Magus]

Then explain their treatment of women.
Treatment of women! :ohmy:
Explain they're denial of basic human rights in the name of Allah.
Basic Human rights... like?
Explain the fanatical hatred of Israel that is prevalent among people in many Islamic nations.
I hope this answers your question. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism) -This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British–Zionist_conflict) and This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Israeli-Arab_War). And the big daddy of them all (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine)
Explain the killings of gays around the world by Muslims simply because the Koran says it's wrong.
Qu'ran; yes it does say it is wrong, but there is no verse that says kill the gays. Between Islam and Christianity, there is no difference in between them on this issue.
From a logical prospective, it's a religion of suppression, discrimination and hatred.
:what:

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[Azunite]

He can do whatever he wants, Allah will punish him in the afterlife anyway. It's his choice.

By the way, there is no violence to women in Turkey. But we are Muslims.
When Muhammed was alive, women were treated like normal people.
In Turkish tribes ages before, tribe leader's wife had more rights in the tribal council than the tribe leader.
After Muhammed died, most of the arabs returned back to their normal life.
Insulting, and doing violent things to women are in the Arabic culture, not in İslam

[The Dark Lord]

By the way, there is no violence to women in Turkey. But we are Muslims.
When Muhammed was alive, women were treated like normal people.
In Turkish tribes ages before, tribe leader's wife had more rights in the tribal council than the tribe leader.
After Muhammed died, most of the arabs returned back to their normal life.
Insulting, and doing violent things to women are in the Arabic culture, not in İslam

Turkey has an appalling human rights record, its why they aren't in the EU.

According to the human rights organization Mazlum-Der, the military charged individuals with lack of discipline for activities that included performing Muslim prayers or being married to women who wore headscarves

In 2008, critics have pointed out that Turkey has become a major market for foreign women who are coaxed and forcibly brought to the country by international mafia to work as sex slaves, especially in big and touristic cities.

A 2008 poll by the Women Entrepreneurs Association of Turkey showed that almost half of urban Turkish women believe economic independence for women is unnecessary reflecting, in the view of psychologist Leyla Navaro, a heritage of patriarchy


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Turkey

[Azunite]

Number 1- That is ENGLISH wikipedia, it also says there is a greek genocide nonsense, stop showing wikipedia as any resource people.

Number 2- We are talking about REGULAR family life, sex slaves and brought-from-Russia whores doesn't include this because it is not "regular".

Number 3- THATmost of women says that because they don't want to work, what is it have to do with violence? My mum doesn't work not because my father beats him but because she is lazy and my dad's work is enough for my family.

Number 4- And what do you mean by "appaling human right recod?"

[The Dark Lord]

Number 1- That is ENGLISH wikipedia, it also says there is a greek genocide nonsense, stop showing wikipedia as any resource people.

I would have posted a link to the turkish wikipedia, then I remembered that wikipedia is a world wide website (not an english one), used by billions of people each day and famous for its reputation and reliabilty.

Number 2- We are talking about REGULAR family life, sex slaves and brought-from-Russia whores doesn't include this because it is not "regular".

You can't validate your argument by arguing that things you don't consider regular invalid as they don't fit your argument

Number 3- THATmost of women says that because they don't want to work, what is it have to do with violence? My mum doesn't work not because my father beats him but because she is lazy and my dad's work is enough for my family.

It wasn't about the violence towards women, it was about the institutional sexism and repression that women in Turkey experience


Number 4- And what do you mean by "appaling human right recod?"

If you had followed my link, you would have seen Turkey's appalling human rights record

[Azunite]

I mean, what do you mean, I don't know that word

[The Dark Lord]

I mean, what do you mean, I don't know that word

appalling means awful or terrible

[Azunite]

So, if you mean the unusua things there;
They were made in extreme situations, like the military coup, and the war with terrorism.
And it is not the country's problem if a stupid extremist Prime Minister of Turkey makes Kemalists look bad with some extreme events listed in that page

[The Dark Lord]

So, if you mean the unusua things there;
They were made in extreme situations, like the military coup, and the war with terrorism.
And it is not the country's problem if a stupid extremist Prime Minister of Turkey makes Kemalists look bad with some extreme events listed in that page

As I said earlier, you can't dismiss things because they are extreme. Using that logic most terriorists are good, it is just those extremists who crashed into the twin towers and that those extremists give the other hard working, compassionate terriorists a bad name.

[deadpie]

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TheAmazingAtheist did a good video about this whole subject. He ends up burning three books - The Koran, The Bible, and The God Delusion. Of course a bunch of people flagged the video offensive, but still - his opinions on this are probably the best I've heard from anyone else on this subject.

[Magus]

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TheAmazingAtheist did a good video about this whole subject. He ends up burning three books - The Koran, The Bible, and The God Delusion. Of course a bunch of people flagged the video offensive, but still - his opinions on this are probably the best I've heard from anyone else on this subject.

You can actually dispose the holy scriptures by burning it.
Source (http://www.inter-islam.org/Quran/disposingscripture.htm)

This TAA guy is a genius. He should get a noble prize or something.

But God Delusion... ?! Is that a bible for the atheists :P [Kidding - I know its content]

[everestclimber]

I think the guy is crazy, I think hardcore conservitve southern people are hillarious.

[Mackenzie_]

That would be every day.

i wish... btw im not religious so no offense but it would be my ritual :P

[Azunite]

Sorry I am missing few posts because I am giving a history lesson here,
what would be every day ?

[Erictw1]

Haha, I just read an article about it and the title was something along the lines of…
"Florida pastor's daughter says, 'he needs help.'" In the article they quote her saying "I think he has gone mad," "I saw that my father preached and did things that I didn't find biblical at all. He demanded total allegiance to himself and his second wife." It ends by her saying, "I really hope he comes to his senses."

[pageplant77]

I heard that he wasn't going to go ahead with it anymore, so long as they don't build a mosque near ground zero

[The Joker]

The mosque that they are already constructing.

[JimSauce]

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Jesus fucking Christ I just fell off my chair in real life. Religion divides people. It may bring people of the same religion together but it will always ultimately divide people eventually. Countless events throughout history all across the world suggest the contrary to the part of your post I've quoted.

That aside, I merely said he's legally allowed to do it, nowhere did I imply I felt it was a good idea. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Lol I should have been more clear. I meant it brings together people of the same religion (or denomination). Of course it divides others. I would be a fool to suggest that religion brings together Christians and Muslims, in a thread about burning Korans no less.

[Azunite]

Dear "weird accent" Scottish friend.
I have no fucking idea why do you hate me ?
There are thousands of miles between Turkey and that, small, tiny, Scottish Highlands.
Also, as you are the rudest member here, I will neither continue this conversation nor continue pawning you and Tiber.
So, since you and Tiber and you started this crap I won't reply further and leave you with your political toys.
Oh and, have fun :)

[The Batman]

Dear PrinceofMadness
Your entire post should have gone into a pm instead of taking this thread off topic again after it was split.
So if you would please get back on topic.

[Azunite]

Batman they removed it but there were at least 12 genocide posts here I hope you knew they were there.
It was matty who opened it, and Tiberius was quick to support the action.
Tiberius opened a genocide thread, Matty is frozen.
Everything is fine.

About the Kuran, legally he is allowed. But if he is a good Christian, he will know that God will not accept the sins of a man who showed a major disrespect action to someone else's religion

[The Batman]

Batman they removed it but there were at least 12 genocide posts here I hope you knew they were there.
It was matty who opened it, and Tiberius was quick to support the action.
Tiberius opened a genocide thread, Matty is frozen.
Everything is fine.

About the Kuran, legally he is allowed. But if he is a good Christian, he will know that God will not accept the sins of a man who showed a major disrespect action to someone else's religion
When I say get back on topic that doesn't mean start talking about my post and then quickly add something in on the topic. It means drop the conversation and talk about the topic of the thread. If you want to continue this you can pm me.

[Syvelocin]

I'm very critical and opinionated about religion these days. But to stoop as low as burning a text, it sickens me.

I'd be extremely pissed if someone burned my bible, but I'm sure that some Christians want to, if they haven't yet. I've had a lot of things that Christians have done to me, because I'm of an alternate religion. But I haven't even TOUCHED a Christian bible, let alone damaged one. It's just respect and maturity.