Oral sex or not oral sex?

[Nicky97]

Yesterday I posted about something, and happened to mention that oral sex was not really sex. The President of the United States said so. A couple of guys asked what I meant, in email and IRL.

So for those who dont think about society, here is the deal. I homeschool. I do lots of my own research. I have no idea what they teach in public schools, but yes its true. Bill Clinton, in 1998, said that oral sex was not really sex. Now I dont care all that much about politics, but I am interested in oral sex :D

This goes right to the question -- http://www.bandersnatch.com/bilsex.htm

I would rather quote only legitimate sources, so:

"Bill Clinton, who engaged in oral sex with Monica Lewinsky but denied it was real sex"
Time Magazine -- http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,92339,00.html

Lawyers .. defined "sexual relations" as engaging in or causing "contact with the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh or buttocks of any person..."
But the president said,"If the deponent is the person who has oral sex performed on him, then the contact is with -- not with anything on that list -- but with the lips of another person."
CNN -- http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/09/21/lies.jackson

The .. definition characterizes sex in terms of a checklist of body parts, including the genitals, breast and thigh. Oral sex would not necessarily require the President to touch anything on Lewinsky that appears on that list.
CNN/Time - http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/08/17/time/clinton.html

And dont ever leave out Wikipedia --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewinsky_scandal#Denial_and_subsequent_admission

Now if you think thats something, check out US Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders, who said that masturbation was healthy and should be taught, and was promptly fired for saying so (1993).

If these things dont interest you, thats fine. They interest me. There is plenty about myself and about the world I live in that confuses me. Scares me. But I am who I am and I have to make the best of it. That takes knowing about life.

[CaptainObvious]

Clinton was saying that to save his skin. :P

[MacMilker]

Very impressive presentation.. You're very intelligent.
Anyways, I believe it is sex. Because in a straight relationship it can still get a female pregnant, which I guess to me would consider it sex.

[Captor K]

Anyways, I believe it is sex. Because in a straight relationship it can still get a female pregnant, which I guess to me would consider it sex.

No it can't get a girl pregnant. There would be even more children in the world. I think somebody was pulling your leg, buddy. :P

[hardinindiana]

it is still an intamate relation between two persons now i live in indiana and tech. speaking lol it is illeagal in indiana hahaha its actualy on the books but yes IMO it is a form of sex. I am homeschooled as well but this is what i believe

[brennaluvv]

I think it's a personal preference. Some people say oral sex is sex, and some say that it isn't.

[nick]

Its sexual activity, but so is masturbation. I dont regard it as sex and I dont accept that someone has lost their virginity through giving or receiving oral sex. Sexual intercourse, involving penetration of the vagina or anus, is sex.

[The Joker]

If someone has touched my penis/anus for a sexual purpose, I believe I've lost my virginity.

[Nicky97]

Then I lost my virginity many years ago playing doctor. And I have been "having sex" ever since.

[Brighter.Tomorrow]

Frankly, I feel Oral Sex, is just a sexual act and you can keep your virginity with it. So, in a way, it's not sex.

But I believe Tim said in a "sexual purpose", which if you're playing doctor, I'm assuming you were a little kid, in which it wasn't sexual. But on another note, I feel you are a little young at the age of 13 to be doing sexual things, but as long as you're smart about it, it isn't up to me.

[Nicky97]

Not doing sexual things at age 13? Wow, you must have had a boring childhood :-)

No seriously, its about what you do, and I guess I push the limits a bit. Its not like being slutty, I dont think. Its just fooling around. They want to, I want to, whats the deal? "Kids out behind the barn" an older friend calls it. And I dont know of anyone who played doctor (like at age 5) and seriously was thinking of a career in medicine. It is special, it is hidden, it is forbidden, it is intimate. You know whats there but you want to touch and play anyway. Thats as sexual as a 5yo can be.

Not being critical my friend, just talking. I hate labels, all they do is muddy the water.

[Brighter.Tomorrow]

Not doing sexual things at age 13? Wow, you must have had a boring childhood :-)

No seriously, its about what you do, and I guess I push the limits a bit. Its not like being slutty, I dont think. Its just fooling around. They want to, I want to, whats the deal? "Kids out behind the barn" an older friend calls it. And I dont know of anyone who played doctor (like at age 5) and seriously was thinking of a career in medicine. It is special, it is hidden, it is forbidden, it is intimate. You know whats there but you want to touch and play anyway. Thats as sexual as a 5yo can be.

Not being critical my friend, just talking. I hate labels, all they do is muddy the water.

I understand.
I've been in the sexual world since the age of 10, my friend. But it's because of that I learned that it should be withheld from, but this is only my opinion. It ended up with people using me and i got hurt.
As far as little kids being sexual, I don't really think so...I mean at a young age everything is still pure, it's more like a curiosity about others then something sexual, if you understand my meaning?

[Nicky97]

I really do agree with you Tyger. Again, these words confuse us. There are certainly behaviors and situations that feel creepy and are unhealthy for young kids. Me included, many of us here included. And I think there are natural fun things that dont pose a risk of psychological damage. Do young folks always know the difference? No. But using your heart as a guide, its not hard to know what kind of "sexual contact" is dangerous and what is natural.

Then along come the uptight conservatives and add in another factor. What is socially acceptable in your community in your situation? Luckily, boys out in the country seem to have fewer fears about simple, fun interaction aimed at getting your rocks off.

Curiosity the first couple of times, yes, but I would not say that "pure" and "sexual" cant exist at the same time. Is sex play dirty or unpure? Dont you sort of just know when something is exploitive or manipulative, like you do for non-sexual situations?

I am listening to what you say. I just have a hard time shutting up.

[Brighter.Tomorrow]

I really do agree with you Tyger. Again, these words confuse us. There are certainly behaviors and situations that feel creepy and are unhealthy for young kids. Me included, many of us here included. And I think there are natural fun things that dont pose a risk of psychological damage. Do young folks always know the difference? No. But using your heart as a guide, its not hard to know what kind of "sexual contact" is dangerous and what is natural.

Then along come the uptight conservatives and add in another factor. What is socially acceptable in your community in your situation? Luckily, boys out in the country seem to have fewer fears about simple, fun interaction aimed at getting your rocks off.

Curiosity the first couple of times, yes, but I would not say that "pure" and "sexual" cant exist at the same time. Is sex play dirty or unpure? Dont you sort of just know when something is exploitive or manipulative, like you do for non-sexual situations?

I am listening to what you say. I just have a hard time shutting up.

Why should i wish you to shut up? Personally I feel this is an interesting Back and Forth.

I live in a high Redneck area, sadly, they're not very open here.

Pure and Sexual coexisting..Yeah, I guess they can. Once you hit around the age of 8-ish, you start understanding a difference though between poking around/curiousity from sexual limits of sorts.

[MacMilker]

No it can't get a girl pregnant. There would be even more children in the world. I think somebody was pulling your leg, buddy. :P

Must of misread somewhere.
My bad XD
In that case, I believe it IS NOT sex hahaha..

[Nicky97]

I am told that oral sex is not even a risky behavior as far as HIV goes, in the mouth and all. Stomach acid is very strong, and you dont mix internal bodily fluids as long as you are very sure, absolutely sure, that there are no open sores in the mouth or throat.

I was told this from a source I trust (and I am not very trusting about things like this) but I have never seen it written in scientific sources. Not that I have access to, or can understand, scientific sources particularly. Does anyone have thoughts on this?

[nick]

I am told that oral sex is not even a risky behavior as far as HIV goes, in the mouth and all. Stomach acid is very strong, and you dont mix internal bodily fluids as long as you are very sure, absolutely sure, that there are no open sores in the mouth or throat.

I was told this from a source I trust (and I am not very trusting about things like this) but I have never seen it written in scientific sources. Not that I have access to, or can understand, scientific sources particularly. Does anyone have thoughts on this?
You have been very badly advised there. You can catch all sorts of STDs from oral sex and that would certainly include HIV. HIV can be caught from any exchange of body fluids, and that doesnt only mean cum, it means saliva. Do not have oral sex with someone that you dont trust to be 100% clean.

[Brighter.Tomorrow]

I am told that oral sex is not even a risky behavior as far as HIV goes, in the mouth and all. Stomach acid is very strong, and you dont mix internal bodily fluids as long as you are very sure, absolutely sure, that there are no open sores in the mouth or throat.

I was told this from a source I trust (and I am not very trusting about things like this) but I have never seen it written in scientific sources. Not that I have access to, or can understand, scientific sources particularly. Does anyone have thoughts on this?

STDs, like HIV are through blood, in which if you have a sore and small tiny cut you can get it. You can get (if I remember right) every STD through your mouth.
Put directly into the stomach, it can kill alot, but the membrane in your mouth and throat absorb alot.