Would this be considered a multiple account?

[Syvelocin]

It was recommended that I check first...

Well, I'm fade2black's alter, we have DID. I would use her account, but I have no knowledge of her password (I've checked, she never writes any login information anywhere...) I was just wondering if this would quite be considered "multiple accounts" since we are different people, though we share the same body.

I know, I'm psycho.

[Giles]

I mean no disrespect so please don't take this the wrong way.

If you were to exactly by the rules, then this would be classed as multiple accounts. I think it's fair to say that this isn't an average problem that might pop up. I think you're probably best to wait for an admin to cover this one.

[[[chickaroo92]]]

I don't think it should be a problem, but yeah, you should totally wait for an Admin to determine what you should do :)

[ShatteredWings]

i just use the same account, but when 2 others are old enough to set up an account and another 3 understand computers enough to post (or are barely too young w/one whoes 12) that would be more than a few accounts, cause for confusion much.

again, admins would have to come, but i can't really see why theyd say no.

And you're not psycho. get it, got it, good.

[Sith Lord 13]

IMO, and perhaps I haven't considered everything, I wouldn't think it should be a deemed a multiple account. Different personality = different person. Still, definitely a good idea to have an Admin OK it.

And you're not psycho. get it, got it, good.

Also: This.

[beedubs]

if i could make the decision, i wouldnt have a problem with it. Since you are different people, then i feel it is not against the rules.

The rules say "Members may not have more than one account. Multiple accounts may be deleted or banned."

but then again i feel that if you are different people then you should be able to have different accounts.

but its up to the mods/admins

[welcome_to_chaos]

i asked maverick and he said one account to one body so i would check with your alter and see if you could come up with an agreement to share an account

[Syvelocin]

Eek, hmm. I'll see what I can do

[Syvelocin]

I'll drop my account, I guess. We could, like, switch colors or something so there's a distinction. I call pink =P

[ShatteredWings]

I'll drop my account, I guess. We could, like, switch colors or something so there's a distinction. I call pink =P

pink can be hard to read on the light skins
red (fround upon due to staffingness)
green
orange I think
purple
magenta, which is NOT pink this is pink. illegiable on vB

I think that's the obvious ones for color

[Syvelocin]

Alright then. I guess it's settled :P

[Sith Lord 13]

Here's my question. Would conjoined twins be required to share an account?

If the answer to that is no,then I fail to see the difference between that and this case.

[The Dark Lord]

judging by the lack of staff responses on this thread, the answer is yes

[Sith Lord 13]

judging by the lack of staff responses on this thread, the answer is yes

Why does silence mean an assumption of yes. I would have interpreted silence as a no, because if it were a yes they would have already banned one of the accounts.

[Asylum]

I agree with Sith if there was a problem they would've already banned it or posted here. So I think you guys are fine :)

[Syvelocin]

Now I'm confused :P

[ShatteredWings]

Not gonna lie, I'm confused too. Stop giving Morgan ideas :P

[enjoying_my_insanity]

well you are two completly different personalities in one body....so id say you can have them..but its not my decision to make

[Giles]

I've just realised something. Neither mod nor admin has actually posted here about any of this. What's the problem?

[ShatteredWings]

I've just realised something. Neither mod nor admin has actually posted here about any of this. What's the problem?

the problem is
i asked maverick and he said one account to one body

Also I've onced PMed Steph on the topic and she basically said 'its ok for your others to use your account' which does imply a '1 account a body' idea

[Giles]

Ah right, Ok.

[Ender]

This is turning into a game of he said she said. How bout a direct reply from mod or admin?

[Maverick]

One account per body. That is our policy.

[Ender]

One account per body. That is our policy.

Thank you Ant :)

[Giles]

Lovely. So... thread over?

[Maverick]

Lovely. So... thread over?
Yes.

[The Dark Lord]

does this mean it was considered a mutliple account or not?

[Maverick]

does this mean it was considered a mutliple account or not?
Yes. Accounts merged

[The Dark Lord]

okay thanks

[Sith Lord 13]

One account per body. That is our policy.

Can we get a bit of an explanation as to why? I mean, identical twins get to have their own accounts right?

[Giles]

Can we get a bit of an explanation as to why? I mean, identical twins get to have their own accounts right?

They're not in the same body, nor are they the same person. Where's the comparison?

[Maverick]

They're not in the same body, nor are they the same person. Where's the comparison?
Exactly..

[Syvelocin]

I'm not too curious to it, but I just wanted to add that multiple personalities are very much not the same person. Alex and I are almost polar opposites, but we're both our own people.

[Scarface]

I'm not too curious to it, but I just wanted to add that multiple personalities are very much not the same person. Alex and I are almost polar opposites, but we're both our own people.
Not to be the bearer of bad news here, but if you are the same person just different personalities, you're in the same body. It doesn't make you special enough to have 2 accounts. There is a global announcement that clearly states how strict we are on double accounts. So you having MPD makes it more or less irrelevant because of our current rules in place. Accounts were merged. I think that sums everything up.

[Syvelocin]

Not to be the bearer of bad news here, but if you are the same person just different personalities, you're in the same body. It doesn't make you special enough to have 2 accounts. There is a global announcement that clearly states how strict we are on double accounts. So you having MPD makes it more or less irrelevant because of our current rules in place. Accounts were merged. I think that sums everything up.

I know, I'm not arguing over it, I personally don't have a problem with it. I just wanted to clear up the same person statement. Because, we're not really different personalities. We have different lives, different memories, different experiences, all of which rarely overlap. That 15 year-old American has nothing to do with me, while this 18 year-old Brit has nothing to do with her.

[Giles]

I know, I'm not arguing over it, I personally don't have a problem with it. I just wanted to clear up the same person statement. Because, we're not really different personalities. We have different lives, different memories, different experiences, all of which rarely overlap. That 15 year-old American has nothing to do with me, while this 18 year-old Brit has nothing to do with her.

Yet again, wrong. You share the body, regardless of my personal opinions... that's not something that can be disputed.

[Whisper]

Yet again, wrong. You share the body, regardless of my personal opinions... that's not something that can be disputed.

dude she had a question its been answered shes not disputing it, leave her alone.

I know, I'm not arguing over it

[Sith Lord 13]

They're not in the same body, nor are they the same person. Where's the comparison?

Exactly..

Mea culpa. I meant conjoined twins. I misspoke. They share a body, yet are clearly not the same person. Would they be prohibited from having separate accounts?

Speaking as someone who has studied DID from a professional viewpoint, I can't see the reasonable justification for it. Look at the situation here one person did not have the other's account password. Does that mean that person is prohibited from posting? Also, it means the admins have to make a judgment call as to who's the alter and who's the main, if the main even posts here. In either case, how do you decide who's account gets merged into who's?

I'm just saying that a body does not define a man. It is his thoughts and actions. His spirit, his anima that defines him.



Just a disclaimer: I'm not arguing it, just looking to understand, and maybe stir a little discussion. Never bad to get people thinking about mental health and the stigmas associated there in.

[Giles]

That 15 year-old American has nothing to do with me, while this 18 year-old Brit has nothing to do with her.

dude she had a question its been answered shes not disputing it, leave her alone.

That was the part that I was referring to.

[[[chickaroo92]]]

Guys continuing to bicker about it won't do anything, other than cause a huge argument. The question has been answered, whether if the answer is fair or not, it's still the answer. There's no point in continuing to bump this thread.... someone close it please :)

[Maverick]

];1041845']Guys continuing to bicker about it won't do anything, other than cause a huge argument. The question has been answered, whether if the answer is fair or not, it's still the answer. There's no point in continuing to bump this thread.... someone close it please :)
You realize that entire post just contradicts everything you just said?

[Sith Lord 13]

];1041845']Guys continuing to bicker about it won't do anything, other than cause a huge argument. The question has been answered, whether if the answer is fair or not, it's still the answer. There's no point in continuing to bump this thread.... someone close it please :)

As I said, I'm not bickering, nor even really asking the admins to change something. I'm asking to understand, and to perhaps point out things the admins had not considered. I've never run a forum, so I'm trying to see what I'm not considering too.

You realize that entire post just contradicts everything you just said?

That made me lolz.

[Sith Lord 13]

*bump*

Ant, I'm really interested to see what you, or any of the other admins have to contribute. I'm curious to see the part of the problem I'm missing.

[Maverick]

What exactly is unclear?

[Scarface]

*bump*

Ant, I'm really interested to see what you, or any of the other admins have to contribute. I'm curious to see the part of the problem I'm missing.

The fact of the matter is this; one body to an account. It really doesn't matter. Rules are rules, there are no exemptions or way around it. There's even a current announcement stating so. Even with MPD there is no way around it. I don't see the point in trying have a shortcut around the rules that have are in place.

[Sith Lord 13]

Mea culpa. I meant conjoined twins. I misspoke. They share a body, yet are clearly not the same person. Would they be prohibited from having separate accounts?

Speaking as someone who has studied DID from a professional viewpoint, I can't see the reasonable justification for it. Look at the situation here one person did not have the other's account password. Does that mean that person is prohibited from posting? Also, it means the admins have to make a judgment call as to who's the alter and who's the main, if the main even posts here. In either case, how do you decide who's account gets merged into who's?

I'm just saying that a body does not define a man. It is his thoughts and actions. His spirit, his anima that defines him.



Just a disclaimer: I'm not arguing it, just looking to understand, and maybe stir a little discussion. Never bad to get people thinking about mental health and the stigmas associated there in.

This. The issues I raised here are what's unclear to me. Or, I should say, how the policy accounts for these issues is what's unclear to me.

[CaptainObvious]

I'll respond to a few of your questions:

Mea culpa. I meant conjoined twins. I misspoke. They share a body, yet are clearly not the same person. Would they be prohibited from having separate accounts?

Conjoined twins largely do not share the same body except for a few shared structures. Therefore we would treat them like any other twins.

Speaking as someone who has studied DID from a professional viewpoint, I can't see the reasonable justification for it. Look at the situation here one person did not have the other's account password. Does that mean that person is prohibited from posting? Also, it means the admins have to make a judgment call as to who's the alter and who's the main, if the main even posts here. In either case, how do you decide who's account gets merged into who's?

Since at least one of the personalities is cognizant of the challenges inherent in this situation (cognizant enough to create this thread), that personality could leave its login information for the other and a merge could be accomplished that way. I would think we would largely leave the details (which account should go and which should stay) to the user. If the personalities can't agree, we'd have to decide for them. Not a great situation, but c'est la vie.

The reason for this policy is that we have had far, far too many multiple accounts on this site in the last year. While DID is a legitimate reason for having created two accounts, the potential for abuse certainly exists, since we can in no way expect to possibly verify whether or not someone actually has the disorder. Thus, on an ongoing basis the most consistent and easily enforceable rule is one account to one body. Is it slightly unfair? Maybe. But that's how it goes, in the interests of the forum.

[Scarface]

Mea culpa. I meant conjoined twins. I misspoke. They share a body, yet are clearly not the same person. Would they be prohibited from having separate accounts?
Each member is allowed one account and no more than that.
This is what is stated from the announcement. This is to be strictly adhered by. There are no exceptions. Multiple accounts are not allowed regardless.


Speaking as someone who has studied DID from a professional viewpoint, I can't see the reasonable justification for it.
Rules here state otherwise. There have been too many multiple accounts this year for anyone to be exempt even if they were twins or not.

Look at the situation here one person did not have the other's account password. Does that mean that person is prohibited from posting? Also, it means the admins have to make a judgment call as to who's the alter and who's the main, if the main even posts here. In either case, how do you decide who's account gets merged into who's?
That is not the case with this. The person has a multiple personality disorder and there is no justifiable cause for a multiple accounts seeing as they are the same body.


I'm just saying that a body does not define a man. It is his thoughts and actions. His spirit, his anima that defines him.
So one account bends the rules, then what happens with the others? That have this problem? Should they be allowed to have 2 accounts too?

[Sith Lord 13]

Would two accounts by two people in the same house automatically be banned? If not, I don't see how the potential for multiple accounts is that much greater.


This is what is stated from the announcement. This is to be strictly adhered by. There are no exceptions. Multiple accounts are not allowed regardless.


Rules here state otherwise. There have been too many multiple accounts this year for anyone to be exempt even if they were twins or not.

My point is that two different personalities are not the same member. As such, it's permissible under your own rules.

That is not the case with this. The person has a multiple personality disorder and there is no justifiable cause for a multiple accounts seeing as they are the same body.

Yes, there is, as I have outlined.

So one account bends the rules, then what happens with the others? That have this problem? Should they be allowed to have 2 accounts too?

Not bending the rules. Just not discriminating against two different people because they share a body.

[CaptainObvious]

Would two accounts by two people in the same house automatically be banned? If not, I don't see how the potential for multiple accounts is that much greater.

If noticed, it would raise questions and would likely require some kind of substantiation that the accounts were different people. The point is that with DID that substantiation is impossible to provide, because in every way that is recognizable outside of one's own head, two personalities of a person with DID are the same person.

[Sith Lord 13]

If noticed, it would raise questions and would likely require some kind of substantiation that the accounts were different people. The point is that with DID that substantiation is impossible to provide, because in every way that is recognizable outside of one's own head, two personalities of a person with DID are the same person.

It's observable in behavior patterns. In manner of speech. And I have to ask, what's worse? Turning away people who need help, or having to wait for a multiple account to screw up to shut it down?

[CaptainObvious]

It's observable in behavior patterns. In manner of speech. And I have to ask, what's worse? Turning away people who need help, or having to wait for a multiple account to screw up to shut it down?

There is no turning away. Our policy is entirely compatible with a person with DID being able to participate, it will merely require a small amount of effort on their part to allow both personalities to share the account.

And, as fun as this discussion has been, it is becoming increasingly less productive. As much as I hate to make pronouncements ending debates, I think both the policy here and the rationale for its specifics have been made rather clear and other than continuing to debate it, there is no ground left to cover here, so I'll take my leave.

[Sith Lord 13]

There is no turning away. Our policy is entirely compatible with a person with DID being able to participate, it will merely require a small amount of effort on their part to allow both personalities to share the account.

And if one personality is antagonistic, changing the password so the other(s) can't access it?


And, as fun as this discussion has been, it is becoming increasingly less productive. As much as I hate to make pronouncements ending debates, I think both the policy here and the rationale for its specifics have been made rather clear and other than continuing to debate it, there is no ground left to cover here, so I'll take my leave.


I appreciate that, but I still don't have an understanding of how the issues I've raised fit under the current system, so I'll wait for an admin to fill in the gaps.



Also, for those who think I'm raising this issue for a ridiculous minority, 1% of the adult population of Canada has DID. Source (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1946021). Unfortunately, I can't find statistics for adolescent population.

[ShatteredWings]

Conjoined twins largely do not share the same body except for a few shared structures. Therefore we would treat them like any other twins.

If you have the same blood supply and shared organs, it's the same body.


Question for good of the argument, where are these mutiple accounts being found?
Because if it's p101ers making 2+ accounts that does not count, and it's kinda dumb to have that represenative of other members.

[CaptainObvious]

And if one personality is antagonistic, changing the password so the other(s) can't access it?

Fight...fight...fight... :P

But seriously, then that will be too bad.

I appreciate that, but I still don't have an understanding of how the issues I've raised fit under the current system, so I'll wait for an admin to fill in the gaps.

The senior staff have decided that for reasons of consistency and to make enforcement possible our policy is 1 account to 1 legal person/body. I have explained the reasons weighed and the problems this policy is perceived to prevent. VT's staff is not in the business of deciding personhood, so we use the same standards as the law to determine that. That's the bottom line.

If you have the same blood supply and shared organs, it's the same body.

Conjoined twins that live past infancy rarely share more than small amounts of tissue. Sometimes a liver, but normally not even that much. In any case, legal and cultural precedent is to regard them as two different bodies and two different people, and as above, we aren't here to waste our time determining personhood, so we will abide by that standard.

Question for good of the argument, where are these mutiple accounts being found?
Because if it's p101ers making 2+ accounts that does not count, and it's kinda dumb to have that represenative of other members.

There is a reason we had a global announcement up about it for months. Past that I must apologize but I won't give more details. The assessment of the risks and the appropriate response is not your responsibility, and as always, member discipline is private.

I think we've rather exhausted this.

[Maverick]

I think we've rather exhausted this.
I agree. We made our policies pretty clear and they aren't going to change. If a member has a special circumstance it can be sorted out privately but for now this is the policy.