Question for conspiracy therorists

[Phantom]

Ok I am sure we have some 9/11 conspiracy theorists here (I think hyper is one of them). Well my question is if we could so perfectly execute 9/11 and get all of america to believe it why couldnt we just whip up some fake wmds in Iraq.

[0=]

No, because people aren't quite stupid enough to go to war over WMD, something has to happen to them before they give a damn.

[Phantom]

You didnt answer my question. We both know that we went to war with Iraq for numerous other reasons. Check my thread democrat hypocrisy watch the video. Almost all dems supported the Iraq war before they decided they wanted to cut and run. We accualy did have proof he had them HE USED THEM, against the kurds, kuwait, his own people, Iran I am sure more too.
Think of it this way. I live next to you. I shoot and kill 2 people by my house. later the cops come in and cant find the gun, am I not guiltly was the police raid based on lies and illegal?

[0=]

Here ya go again with cut and run, we aren't doign any good by being there, the terrorists don't want the civilians, they want us. Also, I don't think the civilians appreciated us bombing their houses either, they probably hate us too.

[Phantom]

Here ya go again with cut and run, we aren't doign any good by being there, the ists don't want the civilians, they want us. Also, I don't think the civilians appreciated us ing their houses either, they probably us too.Have you not seen any of my videos with our troops going on aide missions or all the Iraqi children greeting us. Now to prove the insurgents are'nt people defending their homes. FIRST if I was defending my homeland why would I hide behind my children hoping for them to get killed or hiding in hospitals hopeing they get ed. If they wanted us gone all they would have to do is stop attacking.

[0=]

did I say they were defending their homeland? No. I said they were pissed and could only think of kiling us to solve their problems, because we are their problem, we leave, they stop killing civilians, we stop killing civilians, and the Sunni and Shiite can blow each other up to solve their problems, its none of our concern.

[Phantom]

did I say they were defending their homeland? No. I said they were and could only think of kiling us to solve their problems, because we are their problem, we leave, they stop killing civilians, we stop killing civilians, and the Sunni and Shiite can blow each other up to solve their problems, its none of our concern.Very valid points. I respect your opinion. Now can we please stop being bitter enemys.
They are not just angry , they are religious fanatics.
So I suppose its bad to install a goverment instead of leting them kill each other. Why shouldnt we try to help them instead of just sitting back and let thousands of them die. Under saddam he would put them in baths of acid intill their skin fell off he would kill children infront of parents, cut off tounges for disaggreing with the Iraqi goverment. He was killing around 4000 of his own people for 27 years! you do the math.

[0=]

Because it didn't concern us, we have enough problems in our own country that need solving.

[Phantom]

True.
Did you read my gun example.
If we had a better president he would be able to solve the problems in our country while fighting a war.

[0=]

Not necessarily, we don't have the money for the war, let alone solving our own problems.

[Phantom]

I suppose, even though we are the richest nation in the world.
It was definatly good to take out saddam but was it the best with Iran and NK looming on the horizon.

[0=]

Saddam brought balance to the middle east by providng a buffer zone.

[Phantom]

A buffer zone. I think a democratic Iraq is more of a buffer zone than a mad dictator. We just need to get Iraq on its feet then we will pull out immediently.
Still the fact remains that he did have wmds used them and slaughtered thousands of his own people.

[TheWizard]

That has yet to be proven.

[mRojas2000]

That has yet to be proven.

yupp.... he might have used it in other wars, but he hasn't even used them in this war... therefore, there aren't any proof that there really are massive destruction weapons, or similars...

[Phantom]

That has yet to be proven.What has to be proven that he had WMD's. Did you even read my gun example.

[Hyper]

Ok Phantom simply it wasnt faked because there was no need the people were brainwashed enough. And realy if he had them he couldve used them..

[Phantom]

He had them and He did use them many times kurds, kuwait, own people, Iran shall I list more. He did have the ability to make them after we went in thats a FACT.
So I suppose you take back your little conspiracy theorys after I ask a simple question. Conspiracy theorys never hold up anyways.
yes yes again with the brain washing, if we are so brainwashed please provide evidence.

[0=]

Hmm...you?

[TheWizard]

Very valid points. I respect your opinion. Now can we please stop being bitter enemys.
They are not just angry , they are religious fanatics.
So I suppose its bad to install a goverment instead of leting them kill each other. Why shouldnt we try to help them instead of just sitting back and let thousands of them die. Under saddam he would put them in baths of acid intill their skin fell off he would kill children infront of parents, cut off tounges for disaggreing with the Iraqi goverment. He was killing around 4000 of his own people for 27 years! you do the math.



Saddan = 4,000 per year = 108,000 total

US & Insurgents = 3,000 per month = 36,000 per year x 5 years = 180,000

I don't think the Iraqs are better off now than under Saddam


Your qoute: Under saddam he would put them in baths of acid intill their skin fell off he would kill children infront of parents, cut off tounges for disaggreing with the Iraqi goverment.


Show me the proof that Saddam gave people baths of acid.

[mRojas2000]

Saddan = 4,000 per year = 108,000 total

US & Insurgents = 3,000 per month = 36,000 per year x 5 years = 180,000

I don't think the Iraqs are better off now than under Saddam


Your qoute: Under saddam he would put them in baths of acid intill their skin fell off he would kill children infront of parents, cut off tounges for disaggreing with the Iraqi goverment.


Show me the proof that Saddam gave people baths of acid.

I go 150% with Josh

[Phantom]

Saddan = 4,000 per year = 108,000 total

US & Insurgents = 3,000 per month = 36,000 per year x 5 years = 180,000

I don't think the Iraqs are better off now than under Saddam


Your qoute: Under saddam he would put them in baths of acid intill their skin fell off he would kill children infront of parents, cut off tounges for disaggreing with the Iraqi goverment.


Show me the proof that Saddam gave people baths of acid.That was 4000 a MONTH for 27 years.
Insurgents are NOT Iraqis. Alot of the insurgents come from other countrys to.
I would be willing to show you some videos of what saddam does to his people but I would most likley be banned for posting such groteque videos.

[Ravenous]

...Iraq isn't in America.
Its alot more easy to fix things/cover stuff up, when you can do anything you want, like Bush can in America.

[Phantom]

I dont think so.
Answer my question if 9/11 was faked so perfectly to have everyone in america believing it why couldnt we just whip up some fake wmds.

[TheWizard]

I dont think so.
Answer my question if 9/11 was faked so perfectly to have everyone in america believing it why couldnt we just whip up some fake wmds.

Bush did whip up some (fake) WMD's. Actually, he lied to the whole world.

[Phantom]

Bush did whip up some (fake) WMD's. Actually, he lied to the whole world.wtf are you talking about. Yeah bush lied to the world along with all the dems the senate and the clinton administration and the CIA and about 10 other countrys.
Did you even watch the video in my thread democrat hypocrisy, did you even read my gun example?

[TheWizard]

Ok I looked at all your vedios. Big deal. :)

[Hyper]

There is no need to fake the existance of WMD's if you tell your people who are already brainwashed, that Iraq does have WMD's blind people dont need proof.

[TheWizard]

Exactly :)

[Phantom]

There is no need to fake the existance of WMD's if you tell your people who are already brainwashed, that Iraq does have WMD's blind people dont need proof.So you are calling america brainwashed. Care to back that up.
Just admit it your conspiracy theorys cant hold up to even a simple question.
Can you imagine how much more support Iraq would have if we found a whole bunch of ly wmd's, lets just say there would be no liberal whineing.

[*Dissident*]

War, to me, is futile and pointless, in all cases. Loss of any human life, whether us soldier, iraq insurgent, or civilian, is just cause to call war pointless. this is the chorus from "Crazy, Crazy, Crazy" by Michael Franti & Spearhead: "It's Crazy, crazy, crazy, to tell me that you dont care, of the stopping of this warfare, no life's worth more than any other, no sisdter worth less than any brother..." i suggest for everyone, right now, to download this song.

On a more relevant note, Phantom, you do realize, that if we believe America is brainwashed, it wont prove anything if we try to dispute you, because you will just give us information we believe you garnered through the "brainwashing".

And also, you keep asking us to "admit" that we are wrong. Did you ever, for one single iota of a millisecond, stop to consider that you might be wrong? that somone else might more information, or a diffrenent viewpoint, that, maybe, just maybe, could be correct? I dont beleive so, because in almost every thread i see you write on these forums has you insisting you are correct before there are even any replies, but all you do is spout the same info and question our credibility over and over. please, just stop, and consider. we hate "stupidity" as much as you do. And some of us have different opinions not only about this particular war, but the whole theory and philospophy of war in general. when it comes down to it, you cant debate about if a war should be justified or not. Its a question of individual moral ethics and what you believe, not a scientific fact or statistic. I think killing is, in all ways, shapes and forms, is wrong. "Turn the other cheek", i say. Why would killing them make things any better? another spearhead quote: "You can bomb the world to pieces, but you cannot bomb it into peace".

[Phantom]

War, to me, is futile and pointless, in all cases. Loss of any human life, whether us soldier, iraq insurgent, or civilian, is just cause to call war pointless. this is the chorus from "Crazy, Crazy, Crazy" by Michael Franti & Spearhead: "It's Crazy, crazy, crazy, to tell me that you dont care, of the stopping of this warfare, no life's worth more than any other, no sisdter worth less than any brother..." i suggest for everyone, right now, to download this song.

On a more relevant note, Phantom, you do realize, that if we believe America is brainwashed, it wont prove anything if we try to dispute you, because you will just give us information we believe you garnered through the "brainwashing".

And also, you keep asking us to "admit" that we are wrong. Did you ever, for one single iota of a millisecond, stop to consider that you might be wrong? that somone else might more information, or a diffrenent viewpoint, that, maybe, just maybe, could be correct? I dont beleive so, because in almost every thread i see you write on these forums has you insisting you are correct before there are even any replies, but all you do is spout the same info and question our credibility over and over. please, just stop, and consider. we "stupidity" as much as you do. And some of us have different opinions not only about this particular war, but the whole theory and philospophy of war in general. when it comes down to it, you cant debate about if a war should be justified or not. Its a question of individual moral ethics and what you believe, not a scientific fact or statistic. I think is, in all ways, shapes and forms, is wrong. "Turn the other cheek", i say. Why would them make things any better? another spearhead quote: "You can the world to pieces, but you cannot it into peace".Yes yes I heard you say somewhere else that you are some kind of revolutionary hippy. Well let me break somthing to you, somtimes wars are nessisary. I do not imply I am right before any replies are made. Diffent view points are fine, as long as you are not plain wrong. If you are wrong I am going to prove it, is that bad, am I trying to get people to think like me, no.
Ok heres another analogy. I am about to shoot you and kill you what do you do. Of course shoot kill me if you can. Same thing.

[*Dissident*]

You CANNOT make generalizations about wars! What if the person shooting me was my mother (for some odd reason)! War happens to infrequently to make generalizations about it. So many factors, so many decisions, so many lives, to make a simple analogy! I agree, i would probably shoot the person, if i had a gun. But the "analogy" you are looking for, is if some random person has a gun in his gun cabinet, and he has grudge against me because i have more money than he does. Does that give me the right to go into his house and shoot him? no.

[*Dissident*]

by the way phantom, i do not want to get into an arguement with you. Last time that happened, you and the other guy you argued with both got banned, and i dont want a streak on my otherwise clean underwear.

[Phantom]

You CANNOT make generalizations about wars! What if the person me was my mother (for some odd reason)! War happens to infrequently to make generalizations about it. So many factors, so many decisions, so many lives, to make a simple analogy! I agree, i would probably shoot the person, if i had a gun. But the "analogy" you are looking for, is if some random person has a gun in his gun cabinet, and he has grudge against me because i have more money than he does. Does that give me the right to go into his house and shoot him? no.I think the situation would change if the gun took the gun out of his cabinet and killed 2 people with it.
Anyways you make some sense. I respect your opinion.:)

[*Dissident*]

thank you. My point is, really, that when it comes to harsh facts, all of these ethically challenging and debatable things can not be generalized as right and wrong. Everything is case by case, situational, etc.

[Phantom]

thank you. My point is, really, that when it comes to harsh facts, all of these ethically challenging and debatable things can not be generalized as right and wrong. Everything is case by case, situational, etc.You are correct. I only call people wrong when they completly are like lieing. You seem pretty smart. You look at things diffently which is cool.

[*Dissident*]

why thank you.

[0=]

Imagine
By John Lennon

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

[*Dissident*]

the "A Perfect Circle" cover of that song was absolutely amazing, btw

[Hyper]

So you are calling america brainwashed. Care to back that up.
Just admit it your conspiracy theorys cant hold up to even a simple question.
Can you imagine how much more support Iraq would have if we found a whole bunch of ly wmd's, lets just say there would be no liberal whineing.

Yes I do care to back it up. I can see it very well in the internet and your a fine example. And there are many examples just like you in numerous other debating forums.

[Ravenous]

I dont think so.
Answer my question if 9/11 was faked so perfectly to have everyone in america believing it why couldnt we just whip up some fake wmds.
You didn't read my post did you. I'm not gonna right it again, go back and read what I wrote before, that will answer your question you stupid twat.

[Phantom]

Imagine
By John Lennon

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as oneJohn lennon was a cool guy

Yes I do care to back it up. I can see it very well in the internet and your a fine example. And there are many examples just like you in numerous other debating forums.LOL o man hyper LOL. I have already shown you that your false facts are wrong time and time again. LOL I guess that anyone that doesnt agree with you is brainwashed. FAIL. I think you mean people like me know what they are talking about and just dont resort to bush is stupid or we are killing children, thats just pathetic. Please come back when your head is out of your ass. Thank you.

You didn't read my post did you. I'm not gonna right it again, go back and read what I wrote before, that will answer your question you stupid twat.Accualy I did read it you stupid twat. Whatever that means.

[*Dissident*]

ok, lets stop the insults. really, insults just make the insulter look stupid. but calling people who have been tolerant of you guys "stupid twats" need to stop. please

[Hyper]

I thought you were supposto be nice? Or were you lieing like all the time?

[Phantom]

ok, lets stop the insults. really, insults just make the insulter look stupid. but calling people who have been tolerant of you guys "stupid s" need to stop. pleaseI only said that to poke fun at him for calling me that.

I thought you were supposto be nice? Or were you lieing like all the time?look whos talking. Maybe I would be nicer to you if you would'nt call me brainwashed.

[*Dissident*]

lets just stop all together. i dont care if you only insult other people when "they spew filth", but when they say it, they think its as much filth as what you think you say.

[0=]

This is why I was mad he was back...

[Ravenous]

Accualy I did read it you stupid twat. Whatever that means.
Well then your obviously too fucking stupid to understand the words I typed.

[*Dissident*]

ok, seriously. none of us accomplish ANYTHING by insulting one another...

[Phantom]

Well then your obviously too fucking stupid to understand the words I typed.I am not fucking british or whatever the fuck you are.

[0=]

Lol, you're a dumbass if you speak english but can't understand what he said. Unless he used the super british slang terms then its perfectly understandable.

[cmpcmp]

i KINDA missed a lot of the stuff that happened earlier but i skimmed it.

It seems that this borad might be a "post ur music (hippy) and quotes (hippy) here" board. Some thing being supported by celebrites or artist doesn't make it rights or wrong.

"You can bomb the world to pieces, but you cannot bomb it into peace".
-What do you propose the world should have done against Nazism? (IE. Germany, and Japan(not technicaly nazi, but still the same idea))
-If we wouldn't have opposed Communist russia do you think that they would have played nice?
-Are you opposed to in intervention in Darfur, and would you have been against an intervention in Rwanda?

If you belive that in no situation can peace be achieved through military means then... well let the ppl of darfur die, and the rwandans rot....

[Phantom]

Lol, you're a dumbass if you speak english but can't understand what he said. Unless he used the super british slang terms then its perfectly understandable.fuck you popo. Why dont I spew some inbred american southerner at you.

[*Dissident*]

i KINDA missed a lot of the stuff that happened earlier but i skimmed it.

It seems that this borad might be a "post ur music (hippy) and quotes (hippy) here" board. Some thing being supported by celebrites or artist doesn't make it rights or wrong.


-What do you propose the world should have done against Nazism? (IE. Germany, and Japan(not technicaly nazi, but still the same idea))
-If we wouldn't have opposed Communist russia do you think that they would have played nice?
-Are you opposed to in intervention in Darfur, and would you have been against an intervention in Rwanda?

If you belive that in no situation can peace be achieved through military means then... well let the ppl of darfur die, and the rwandans rot....



If you read up on the bombings in germany, many of them were taken to court as military crimes. 10's of thousands of people died, without warning, and they were almost completely civilians. In japan, the same thing. we bombed the shit out of their most populated cities. More people died in tokyo (100,000) than either of the nuke attacks in hiroshima or nagasaki, but no one ever mentions it because it wasnt nukes. hundreds of thousands of innocent germans died in germany, but no one talks about it because they werent nukes. And what for? what FOR!? there was no real reason. we wanted to scare the shit out of the germans, but instead, we fried them.

Communist russia, eh? well, we didnt do anything, now did we? im not opposed to having defenses, no. but nuclear weapons arent defenses. bombs arent defenses. you cant stop an invasion with bombs. Bombs destroy cities, destroy lives, destroy worlds. The cold war was still cold. it came close to global annihilation, you know. Cuban Missle Crisis, whew. In the case of nuclear weapons, you CANT bomb to peace, and you WILL bomb to pieces. as simple as that. had we started that war, the entire earth would have been decimated, all surface life destroyed. at least kennedy was reasonable.

I cant really say anything about Darfur or Rwanda. if i tried, i would make a fool of myself because i dont know anything of the situation there.

The reasoning that you can use a weapon of destruction to garner peace is, imo folley. Peace does not come from violence, peace comes from tolerance and forgiveness and love. Nazi Germany was a real threat to the saftey of the world. Facism is still a problem today. they had enough rescources to take over the world, and we knew it. but the bombing of their innocent cities was wrong. War is sometimes innevitable. but we should be as careful with the enemies lives as we would our own. we are all Gods children, no matter what you think God is, he "made" us. Have respect and love for your neighbor, says Jesus. Amen to that.

[*Dissident*]

can i reiterate, one more time please? stop the insults... i think we may need a mod in here to straighten things out, cause i am obviously having no effect. me and a few others are actually trying to debate, but most of you are just insulting one another.

[cmpcmp]

Ok, I didn't mean to ask what you though about what happened, i meant to ask what you would have done, or wanted to happen.

City bombing is a terrible thing, but in WWII the bombperscision wasn't too good, and targeting was difficult. Every effort should be made to destroy only military(enemy) targets, it is definitely possible to cross the line.

War is a terrible thing, when u have to drop 2 nukes on them to get them to surrender, its an even worse thing.
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This was a real situation.....
Rwanda
-2 rival ethnic groups the hutus and the tutsis have coeqisted for a long time, but the hutus are a larger % of the population.
-The Hutus get machettes and their hate, and start to systematicly kill every tutsi that they can find.

What do you do?

All i can tell you is what happened...... Nothing happened and 1 milllion ppl were killed with knives.
-The U.N. was in the country but did nothing, and neither did any one else.

[Phantom]

If you read up on the bombings in germany, many of them were taken to court as military crimes. 10's of thousands of people died, without warning, and they were almost completely civilians. In japan, the same thing. we bombed the shit out of their most populated cities. More people died in tokyo (100,000) than either of the nuke attacks in hiroshima or nagasaki, but no one ever mentions it because it wasnt nukes. hundreds of thousands of innocent germans died in germany, but no one talks about it because they werent nukes. And what for? what FOR!? there was no real reason. we wanted to scare the shit out of the germans, but instead, we fried them.

Communist russia, eh? well, we didnt do anything, now did we? im not opposed to having defenses, no. but nuclear weapons arent defenses. bombs arent defenses. you cant stop an invasion with bombs. Bombs destroy cities, destroy lives, destroy worlds. The cold war was still cold. it came close to global annihilation, you know. Cuban Missle Crisis, whew. In the case of nuclear weapons, you CANT bomb to peace, and you WILL bomb to pieces. as simple as that. had we started that war, the entire earth would have been decimated, all surface life destroyed. at least kennedy was reasonable.

I cant really say anything about Darfur or Rwanda. if i tried, i would make a fool of myself because i dont know anything of the situation there.

The reasoning that you can use a weapon of destruction to garner peace is, imo folley. Peace does not come from violence, peace comes from tolerance and forgiveness and love. Nazi Germany was a real threat to the saftey of the world. Facism is still a problem today. they had enough rescources to take over the world, and we knew it. but the bombing of their innocent cities was wrong. War is sometimes innevitable. but we should be as careful with the enemies lives as we would our own. we are all Gods children, no matter what you think God is, he "made" us. Have respect and love for your neighbor, says Jesus. Amen to that.Peace through strength. Ronald reagon.
I beg to differ you cant stop an invasion with bombs.
As long as you are resonable and not kim jong ill or that ayatolah fucker then nukes are a good defense, its called mutual assured destruction, its what keeps china from bioweaponing us.

[*Dissident*]

Ok, I didn't mean to ask what you though about what happened, i meant to ask what you would have done, or wanted to happen.

City bombing is a terrible thing, but in WWII the bombperscision wasn't too good, and targeting was difficult. Every effort should be made to destroy only military(enemy) targets, it is definitely possible to cross the line.

War is a terrible thing, when u have to drop 2 nukes on them to get them to surrender, its an even worse thing.
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This was a real situation.....
Rwanda
-2 rival ethnic groups the hutus and the tutsis have coeqisted for a long time, but the hutus are a larger % of the population.
-The Hutus get machettes and their hate, and start to systematicly kill every tutsi that they can find.

What do you do?

All i can tell you is what happened...... Nothing happened and 1 milllion ppl were killed with knives.
-The U.N. was in the country but did nothing, and neither did any one else.

they werent aiming for military targets, they were just bombing. their bombing system was that of most possible destruvtion of the most possible buildings, using high explosives to break the rooves, then fire bombs to incenerate the people inside, then another concussion bombing to get to the basements. 90% of Dresden was destroyed, as well as huge parts of other cities. the point is, they didnt care whehter it was military or not, they were just bombing to kill.

[*Dissident*]

and, in the situation of world war II, i would have used a ground force. they can tell what they shoot at.

the nukes in japan... i dont really know. WWII was a lot different that today, ya know? the terroists arent going to take over the entire world, like the nazis.

[cmpcmp]

and, in the situation of world war II, i would have used a ground force. they can tell what they shoot at.

Maybe you didn't know..... The germans had that whole Blitzcreek thing down pat. And the first step was to quickly blow the shit out of you from the sky, in WWII airplanes weren't a fancy thing to blow up houses with, they were what fought the war. If you own the air u can pretty much kill their ground stuff fairly easily.

They were despareate times, that called for desparate measures.

[kolte]

if everyone believed in peace, WWII wouldnt have even started. there would be no enemy. but alas, we will all die. score one for me, - one for you god.

[cmpcmp]

if everyone believed in peace, WWII wouldnt have even started.
Unfortunately, we are all cursed with these impure human bodies of ours.

[*Dissident*]

if everyone believed in peace, WWII wouldnt have even started. there would be no enemy. but alas, we will all die. score one for me, - one for you god.


Yea, that is the most truth In this entire thread. thank you.

[Hyper]

Ohh Phantom.. Yeah I thought so.. Another one who thinks America is the greatest.. And every other country is 'shit' Well Phantom congrats your now in my eyes a complete braindead idiot so I will no longer respond to your insulting posts.

But to the subject.. WW II lets see yes military precision wasnt as good as now but they did bomb civilians on purpose. Mostly war is a moral thing in my opinion. A army with good moral will fight much better than an army with bad moral which thinks that they will die anyway. Nothing justifies the murder of innocents..

I cant think of anything more to say this debate I tihnk has gone off subject

[Phantom]

Ohh Phantom.. Yeah I thought so.. Another one who thinks America is the greatest.. And every other country is 'shit' Well Phantom congrats your now in my eyes a complete braindead idiot so I will no longer respond to your insulting posts.

But to the subject.. WW II lets see yes military precision wasnt as good as now but they did bomb civilians on purpose. Mostly war is a moral thing in my opinion. A army with good moral will fight much better than an army with bad moral which thinks that they will die anyway. Nothing justifies the murder of innocents..

I cant think of anything more to say this debate I tihnk has gone off subjectWhen did I say america was the greatest? You are getting very hard not to flame every post with such retarded posts putting words in my mouth. It is FACT that america is millitarily the strongest, economicly the strongest, and we have the most rights such as rights to bear arms which I just exersised yesterday:D . Is america the BEST country, possibly I am not sure what other countrys offer.

[cmpcmp]

Another one who thinks America is the greatest.. And every other country is 'shit'
he didn't say that

[Phantom]

he didn't say thatHyper likes to believe I say things that I dont. He also likes to put words in my mouth.

[cmpcmp]

Hyper likes to believe I say things that I dont
I can't help but notice that, ppl say u say things that u didn't say a lot.

[Phantom]

I can't help but notice that, ppl say u say things that u didn't say a lot.You are right. I think it is because they can't possibly come up with any kind of facts so they resort to putting words in my mouth:rolleyes:

[0=]

Well Phantom, I see you're entirely unoriginal in yopur sig, bravo you ripped me off, apparantly you couldn't think of anything on your own. Also, you have proved your ignorance by not even knowing what any other country has to offer.

How many idiots can there be?
Some say that it’s 1 out of 3
If you don’t know then take it from me
You’re the dee dee dee

[Phantom]

Well Phantom, I see you're entirely unoriginal in yopur sig, bravo you ripped me off, apparantly you couldn't think of anything on your own. Also, you have proved your ignorance by not even knowing what any other country has to offer.

How many idiots can there be?
Some say that it’s 1 out of 3
If you don’t know then take it from me
You’re the dee dee deeAh popo. Yes I specificly put that in my sig to make fun of you, I hope you are enjoying it. Yes yes ignorant this and that I can see you cant even come up with a half decent insult. I can't fairly judge a country intill I have been there. How many dumb brainwashed libs can there be, Oh wait its all of them. popo come back when you are educated, get your head out of your ass, find out that your conspiracy theorys are shit, and learn how to form a decent argument, THEN maybe you would accualy be able to make a point I can't just pick apart in a few seconds.
And please do this country that you seem to hate so much a favor, GET THE FUCK OUT, people like you dont belong here you are a disgrace to this country, why dont you move to duka durka stan and tell them how much you admire them, and hate bush. END RANT

[Underage_Thinker]

Phantom, if you are trying to represent the republican party, you are doing a piss poor job of it. You show so much ignorance in your posts I can't express in text how incredibly stupid you make yourself look. But i guess i can try. For starters you fulfill so many stereotypes for a right winged person, for exsample, racism and the belief that America is so great and everybody else is so weak and puny I am not fucking British or whatever the fuck you are.It is FACT that america is millitarily the strongest, economicly the strongest, and we have the most rights such as rights to bear arms which I just exersised yesterday:biggrin2: . Is america the BEST country, possibly I am not sure what other countrys offer.All i can say without typing a 12 page essay about your lack of empathy for any body else's perspective. Is that you are honestly the most single minded person in the world and i suggest you go out and read a book. Throughout your posts you so willingly degrade your self and just spew completely unnecessary language out, you seam to think that somehow if you tell sombody to GET THE FUCK OUT it makes you smart and helps prove your point, when realy it makes you look like a ignorant southern hick who would spew inbred american southerner at you. and is incapable of doing anything other than chew-en wheat and picken cotten. Now I believe that everybody when they are born has a mind as open as the sky, it is there upbringing that changes that and narrow that a certain amount. For you it is to about the size of a pinhole so that you can't hardly see the light of truth. As for the videos in your Sig, They are just as bad as the ones on that them ther television that those "liberal Whiners". It is bias and only shows things from one perspective. The war in Iraq is not all IED's and insurgents killing troops. Nor is it all happy children running too troops and troops rolling in Humvees with emotional music playing. Both of these points of views are on opposite sides of the spectrum. But they both are equally wrong. The important thing here is critical thinking, being able to discern the facts from the happy music and the sounds of exsplotionons, THEN you will find the truth. If you have actualy read this then I hope some day VT has a teamspeak (hint hint) so that some day i can tell you to the fullest exstent about openmindedness. I am not trying to sway you to one party or another, personly i am not a democrat or republican. I am a HUMAN, a human who hopfuly considers both perspectivs. Anyway i got to take a break cus it was a bitch writing this. (if only we had a VT TS.

[Phantom]

Phantom, if you are trying to represent the republican party, you are doing a piss poor job of it. You show so much ignorance in your posts I can't express in text how incredibly stupid you make yourself look. But i guess i can try. For starters you fulfill so many stereotypes for a right winged person, for exsample, racism and the belief that America is so great and everybody else is so weak and puny All i can say without typing a 12 page essay about your lack of empathy for any body else's perspective. Is that you are honestly the most single minded person in the world and i suggest you go out and read a book. Throughout your posts you so willingly degrade your self and just completely unnecessary language out, you seam to think that somehow if you tell sombody to it makes you smart and helps prove your point, when realy it makes you look like a ignorant southern hick who would and is incapable of doing anything other than chew-en wheat and picken cotten. Now I believe that everybody when they are born has a mind as open as the sky, it is there upbringing that changes that and narrow that a certain amount. For you it is to about the size of a pinhole so that you can't hardly see the light of truth. As for the videos in your Sig, They are just as bad as the ones on that them ther television that those "liberal Whiners". It is bias and only shows things from one perspective. The war in Iraq is not all IED's and insurgents killing troops. Nor is it all happy children running too troops and troops rolling in Humvees with emotional music playing. Both of these points of views are on opposite sides of the spectrum. But they both are equally wrong. The important thing here is critical thinking, being able to discern the facts from the happy music and the sounds of exsplotionons, THEN you will find the truth. If you have actualy read this then I hope some day VT has a teamspeak (hint hint) so that some day i can tell you to the fullest exstent about openmindedness. I am not trying to sway you to one party or another, personly i am not a democrat or republican. I am a HUMAN, a human who hopfuly considers both perspectivs. Anyway i got to take a break cus it was a bitch writing this. (if only we had a VT TS.Ok lets pick apart your spelling challenged post one sentence at a time.
Hmm if I show so much ignorance then why dont you shut me up by proving me wrong in a debate, which I dont think anyone has done so far as much as they would like to believe. So I show racism care to show me that. So I believe america is so great, well by the statistics it is one of the best countrys, and like I said I can't fairly judge other countrys without going there, you seem to not be able to read. I am not single minded you know NOTHING of me. I find it funny how you call me a southern hick when you are from Texas and I am from minnesota, I believe you just owned yourself. awww does swearing hurt your feeling:( I am sorry you can't handle a few naughty words I will be sure to tone down my launguage. Light of truth, what that 9/11 was staged and it was just an excuse for bushes private war for oil and drugs! Ha dont make me laugh, if there is a so called truth please show me O thats right you can't because I will just pick it apart just like the other stupid arguments that people throw at me. I have my videos to show that there is good in Iraq and our troops aren't running around killing children in the night like kerry and the extreamly stupid popo like to try to show. I would be happy to debate you on a VT TS somtime PM me. I am also a HUMAN just so you know, I do compare boths sides of the spectrum and I have concluded that the left side at least now days is full of shit that is so easy to pick apart or resorts to saying we are slaughtering babys to get people to jump on the party wagon.

[Underage_Thinker]

Man you are so childish you can't even understand i am not trying to fight, god at least with when kiros debated for the more conservative cause it was actually a respectful debate, it was a persuasive debate. It wasn't occasional facts mostly interlaced with personal attacks. I am not able to understand how my spelling has to do with your perspective. Wait is doesn't, it is just your way of trying to put me down which just makes you look stupid. And i am sorry but "GET THE FUCK OUT" dose not prove a point or anything at all, it is you cussing just for the sake of cussing.O ya one last thing, being a hick has nothing to do with geographic location at all. It is how you act.

[Phantom]

Phantom, if you are trying to represent the republican party, you are doing a piss poor job of it. You show so much ignorance in your posts I can't express in text how incredibly stupid you make yourself look. But i guess i can try. For starters you fulfill so many stereotypes for a right winged person, for exsample, racism and the belief that America is so great and everybody else is so weak and puny All i can say without typing a 12 page essay about your lack of empathy for any body else's perspective. Is that you are honestly the most single minded person in the world and i suggest you go out and read a book. Throughout your posts you so willingly degrade your self and just completely unnecessary language out, you seam to think that somehow if you tell sombody to it makes you smart and helps prove your point, when realy it makes you look like a ignorant southern hick who would and is incapable of doing anything other than chew-en wheat and picken cotten.. For you it is to about the size of a pinhole so that you can't hardly see the light of truth. so that some day i can tell you to the fullest exstent about openmindedness.

Man you are so childish you can't even understand i am not trying to fight, god at least with when kiros debated for the more conservative cause it was actually a respectful debate, it was a persuasive debate. It wasn't occasional facts mostly interlaced with personal attacks. I am not able to understand how my spelling has to do with your perspective. Wait is doesn't, it is just your way of trying to put me down which just makes you look stupid. And i am sorry but "GET THE FUCK OUT" dose not prove a point or anything at all, it is you cussing just for the sake of cussing.O ya one last thing, being a hick has nothing to do with geographic location at all. It is how you act.Maybe I would'nt have responded so harshly if you didnt type all of this ^^. You say I insult people and provide no facts HA. Its cute you try to seem all innocent like I just flamed you for no reason ^^^^^. You are very clearly trying to fight. I was harsh on popo because he is an idiot and just comes out of nowhere insulting me so of course I am going to respond. So if being a hick dosnt have to do with geographic location than how come you almost NEVER see anyone remotly like that up north ESPECIALY as far north as Minnesota. You have yet to prove how I am ignorant, racist, and a whole slew of other things. I have never said anything remotly racist in any one of my 200 posts. When I debate I NEVER flame UNLESS one of 2 things happens, 1 someone like popo comes out of nowhere "phantom your ignorant!!!11" or 2 somthing along the lines of "BUsh Tis STUPIED!!11" or " BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED!!!111" . Usualy the first one.

[Phantom]

Ok underage thinker lets stop the flaming now =)

[Makod]

Ok lets pick apart your spelling challenged post one sentence at a time.

As if you had any right to insult a person's intelligence based on spelling and grammar.
Hmm if I show so much ignorance then why dont you shut me up by proving me wrong in a debate, which I dont think anyone has done so far as much as they would like to believe. So I show racism care to show me that. So I believe america is so great, well by the statistics it is one of the best countrys, and like I said I can't fairly judge other countrys without going there, you seem to not be able to read (this sentence is a run-on). I am not single minded (put in a comma) you know NOTHING of me. I find it funny how you call me a southern hick when you are from Texas and I am from minnesota,(put in a semi-colon) I believe you just owned yourself. awww does swearing hurt your feeling:( (ZOMG YOU FORGOT TO PUNCTUATE!!!) I am sorry you can't handle a few naughty words (comma) I will be sure to tone down my launguage. Light of truth, what that 9/11 was staged and it was just an excuse for bushes private war for oil and drugs! (should of been a ?) Ha dont make me laugh, if there is a so called truth please show me (PUNCTUATE!) O thats right you can't because I will just pick it apart just like the other stupid arguments that people throw at me. I have my videos to show that there is good in Iraq (period or semi-colon, your choice really) and (take out "and") our troops aren't running around killing children in the night like kerry (capitalize proper nouns!) and the extreamly stupid popo like to try to show. I would be happy to debate you on a VT TS somtime (comma here) PM me. I am also a HUMAN just so you know, I do compare boths sides of the spectrum and I have concluded that the left side at least now days is full of shit that is so easy to pick apart or resorts to saying we are slaughtering babys to get people to jump on the party wagon. (run-on sentence)

I believe you just owned yourself.

[Phantom]

As if you had any right to insult a person's intelligence based on spelling and grammar.ZOMG!! I DIDNT BOTHER TO TYPE SOME COMMAS!!!!
Makod I have YET in the whole history of the debate forum seen you post an argument worth taking a second look at, ALL I have ever fucking seen you do is take things out of context avoid all arguments directed towards you, and try to take a pot shot off at me or others every once in a while. Please if you just have to debate post somthing worth reading, not the typical "are you saying that all muslims are terrorists!" sort of thing.
Even right now, you just disregarded the WHOLE rest of my post took the first sentence out of like 20 and tryed to say somthing, Makod please don't do that anymore, if you want to say somthing address my whole post.

[Makod]

Sorry, did I hurt you? I wouldn't have bothered with that if you hadn't insulted Underage Thinker's post based on spelling. :\

"It's not what you say, it's how you say it."

Your arguments would be worth reading as something other than a way to practice reviewing and editing a paragraph or essay if they weren't so full of personal attacks.

[Phantom]

Sorry, did I hurt you? I wouldn't have bothered with that if you hadn't insulted Underage Thinker's post based on spelling. :\Are you drunk? That was one sentence. out of HOW many. I would like to see you even try to pick apart the rest of my posts. How about this I am going to troll you from now on preying on your posts for gramatical errors, taking things out of context, put words in your mouth, and just down right piss you off, just because I can.

[Makod]

Are you drunk? That was one sentence. out of HOW many. I would like to see you even try to pick apart the rest of my posts. How about this I am going to troll you from now on preying on your posts for gramatical errors, taking things out of context, put words in your mouth, and just down right piss you off, just because I can.

Good luck Phantom, may the force be with you.

Also: I corrected the whole post not just one sentence.

[Phantom]

Good luck Phantom, may the force be with you.Good luck Makod have fun getting owned in numerous debates like usual;)

[Makod]

Good luck Makod have fun getting owned in numerous debates like usual;)

I don't post in this section much anyways.
Also: "BUsh Tis STUPIED!!11" or " BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED!!!111"

BSHU SI TUSPDI!!!!!!!


HO JADN 9/11 DTON CUZ YB TERRIST CUZD BY GVORMNT: TEH BULNDINS CHRSHD ITNO HTE ARPLNS "STI A CNOSPRIRACY!"

[Phantom]

Also:

BSHU SI TUSPDI!!!!!!!lol you accualy made me laugh good job;) :lol:

[0=]

Ah yes, the usual "I'm so superior to you, you can't even begin to debate against me" rant. When are you going to realize that you have not created a single post worth reading; they are all full of butchered grammar and personal attacks, like your politician friends. Please, provide me with one post worth reading, until then, ponder the possibility that you might not be all knowing and higher than everyone else, but just a shitstain.

[Makod]

Ah yes, the usual "I'm so superior to you, you can't even begin to debate against me" rant. When are you going to realize that you have not created a single post worth reading; they are all full of butchered grammar and personal attacks, like your politician friends. Please, provide me with one post worth reading, until then, ponder the possibility that you might not be all knowing and higher than everyone else, but just a shitstain.

lol... Phantom? post? worth reading? :Brain explodes:

Seriously, though, you guys should stop trolling eachother's posts.

[Whisper]

back on topic guys

[Phantom]

Ah yes, the usual "I'm so superior to you, you can't even begin to debate against me" rant. When are you going to realize that you have not created a single post worth reading; they are all full of butchered grammar and personal attacks, like your politician friends. Please, provide me with one post worth reading, until then, ponder the possibility that you might not be all knowing and higher than everyone else, but just a shitstain.My posts are not full of shit, I accualy back them up with facts not just the false assumption that we are slaughtering people which you can't seem to find a video or evidence for. If you want to see a post worth reading please read any one of the numerous debate threads I have posted in, free yourself from you liberal propaganda for a second and read. You will notice that I am not just spewing shit, as you like to believe because you just CAN'T let yourself admit that I just might be right. The only person you are fooling is yourself popo. You to makod, you are even worse you dont even bother to respond to almost any argument because you know I have a point.

[*Dissident*]

arg...this is why i dont post anymore...

[cmpcmp]

I accualy back them up with facts
whens the last time u didn't just say a "fact" but actualy backed it up, like with a profesionals opinion, or a website link to a cridible site? maybe we should all ask ourselves this question.

[Hyper]

Hmm yes.. I have yet to see any FACTS by Phantom besides hes own words and the videos in hes signature.

[Phantom]

Hmm yes.. I have yet to see any FACTS by Phantom besides hes own words and the videos in hes signature.Than apparently you can't read. I post plenty of links to things people don't seem to believe. I don't even bother to post links to things like terrorists hiding in houses because if you don't know that is happening you must be blind. If you want me to I will though. Some simple things like the vid in my sig showing soldiers on an aide mission to an Iraqi village is plenty of proof, if thats not enough you are in denial like popo:lol:

[Underage_Thinker]

A video of troops on a aid mission with happy music in the background is not proof. It is a bias video that only shows one perspective. It is meant to play on somebody's emotions and invoke patriotism. Proof would be something like "here is a link to some statistics about how many troops have died per Iraqi school built". Because otherwise i could just show a video of some guy blowing up himself along with a bunch of people and say that is proof.

[Phantom]

A video of troops on a aid mission with happy music in the background is not proof. It is a bias video that only shows one perspective. It is meant to play on somebody's emotions and invoke patriotism. Proof would be something like "here is a link to some statistics about how many troops have died per Iraqi school built". Because otherwise i could just show a video of some guy blowing up himself along with a bunch of people and say that is proof.Put it on mute, does it realy make a diffence. The fact of the matter is is that is proof enough to disprove retarded claims that all we do is kill children and whatnot (popo). I would be happy to find how many schools and hospitals and other services that help the people. What are you talking about you could just show a video of some guy blowing up himself along with a bunch of people and say that is proof.
WTF one perspective, yeah I bet they killed the kids after the video:mad:
Jesus christ you call that bias.

[*Dissident*]

the video itself? no. but it was posted for obviously biased reasons. just look at your god damn sig, for crissake.

[Phantom]

the video itself? no. but it was posted for obviously biased reasons. just look at your god damn sig, for crissake.The video itself is not realy biased. It dosnt intertwine messages like liberals are pussy lieing fucking faces and kerry is a lieing sack of shit, like most liberal videos do except its bush and republicans. I put those there to show that we are doing good over there and not slaughtering children (popo).
They are obviously real so you can't dispute them all you can do is whine that they are biased. I am still waiting for one of you to find a video of a soldier killing a kid (which of course dosnt happen).

[Hyper]

It happens but that doesnt mean it has to be on video and publicly on the internet

[TheWizard]

What about the girl the US troops raped and burned. And they also killed the girl's family.

[Phantom]

What about the girl the US troops raped and burned. And they also killed the girl's family.That is what we call STEROTYPING if you are trying to imply that all soldiers are like that you deserve to be shot seriously. That was a choice the soldiers made they will be punished severly for it. That is sick. Is the trial over or is it still going on. Please provide an artical that they are convicted, because I believe in a thing called innocent intill proven guilty which liberals can't seem to understand.

[TheWizard]

Don't try to side step it. It happened and our US Troops did it.

How about the torturing US Troops did at the prisions over there. Another good example of US Troop activity.

US Troops have killed a lot of civilians over there. Kids, old people, handicapped people whatever they have in their sights..

[Phantom]

Don't try to side step it. It happened and our US Troops did it.

How about the torturing US Troops did at the prisions over there. Another good example of US Troop activity.

US Troops have killed a lot of civilians over there. Kids, old people, handicapped people whatever they have in their sights..I am not trying to side step it. I said if they are convicted they should be punished. Provide me with evidence that they have been convicted not just tried by the liberal media. US troops kill alot of civilians huh, please provide a video of a soldier shooting a kid, to bad you won't find one because IT DOSNT HAPPEN. All those grusome pictures are from an insurgents car bomb or from one hiding in a highly populated area, don't start that crap. US troops dont torture prisoners over there, its some idiot on the midnight shift! Don't you dare start such gross sterotyping, common liberal tactic. Most of the tortures are from a VERY small amount of people, please get some facts instead of resorting to such gross and unfair sterotyping. I hope you do know that the guards get attacked at those prisons on a regular basis sharpened florecent lights sharpened bed springs, get feces thrown at them. You realy make me sick the way you try to say that some fucker on a midnight shift is US troops, that is such a retarded tactic. Why don't I start saying that all democrats are lieing cheating unloyal corrupt basterds because clinton and the rest of them did some bad stuff. Why don't I start saying that democrats are all pussys because some of them are. Why don't I say that all democrats are communist because that one guy is. Why don't I say that all democrats support N.A.M.B.L.A (north american man boy love association) because a couple of the sick fucks do.

[TheWizard]

Wow

Such emotional trash. I simply pointed out some REAL events involoving our US Troops. Its not my fault it happens to be true.

What about all those CIA torture prisions. Another good example of America military and spy culture.

Basicly, the US has shown the world that we take the low road on ethics.

[Phantom]

Wow

Such emotional trash. I simply pointed out some REAL events involoving our US Troops. Its not my fault it happens to be true.

What about all those CIA torture prisions. Another good example of America military and spy culture.

Basicly, the US has shown the world that we take the low road on ethics.lol emotional trash. I think what comes out of your mouth is trash, saying that some idiot on the midnight shift torturing prisoners is a fair example of US soldiers is such bullshit. Provide evidence that those soldiers that raped that girl have been convicted. Like I said a guard on the midnight shift is NOT an example of a US soldier, it realy sickens me that you could even assume that.CIA torture prisons YEAHHH RIGHT whatever you say I am sure you know exactly what you are talking about. Provide evidence of these secret CIA torture facilitys please. Low roads on ethics, I can't even begin to express my disgust at this bullshit you spew. I hope you know that the US donates more in aid for other countrys than all the rest of the world combined. That sure sounds like low road on ethics to me. Who steped in at mogadishu to stop the genocide of civilians, thats right us. Who stoped saddam from slaughtering THOUSANDS of people in kuwait. Thats right us. Who saved europe from germany TWICE. Thats right US. I am not even going to bother to post more I think you get the point.
Wizard where are you from?

[TheWizard]

lol emotional trash. I think what comes out of your mouth is trash, saying that some idiot on the midnight shift torturing prisoners is a fair example of US soldiers is such bullshit. Provide evidence that those soldiers that raped that girl have been convicted. Like I said a guard on the midnight shift is NOT an example of a US soldier, it realy sickens me that you could even assume that.CIA torture prisons YEAHHH RIGHT whatever you say I am sure you know exactly what you are talking about. Provide evidence of these secret CIA torture facilitys please. Low roads on ethics, I can't even begin to express my disgust at this bullshit you spew. I hope you know that the US donates more in aid for other countrys than all the rest of the world combined. That sure sounds like low road on ethics to me. Who steped in at mogadishu to stop the genocide of civilians, thats right us. Who stoped saddam from slaughtering THOUSANDS of people in kuwait. Thats right us. Who saved europe from germany TWICE. Thats right US. I am not even going to bother to post more I think you get the point.
Wizard where are you from?


I live in Virginia.

Bush told the public about the CIA prisions so I think there is a possbility that its true.

Don't start that "everything I say is general" You know full well that what I said is true.

You prove to me that the US Troops haven't killed civilians. You can't because its true. Sad but True.

Also you should smile more. :)

[Phantom]

I live in Virginia.

Bush told the public about the CIA prisions so I think there is a possbility that its true.

Don't start that "everything I say is general" You know full well that what I said is true.

You prove to me that the US Troops haven't killed civilians. You can't because its true. Sad but True.

Also you should smile more. :)Please find the speach. The CIA can have prisons if they want as long as they don't torture, which they don't if they do they get imprisoned. I am not saying everything you say is bullshit just the stuff abotu horribly sterotyping is just sickening. US troops don't kill civilians on purpose. Its like you and popo where gogles that prevent you from seeing anything I post, I think you just don't want to accept it.
Insurgents blow themselfs up and usualy take with civilians. Hell cmpcmp even proved in another thread that they kill people just because, even if they have no chance of killing soldiers. Insurgents also hide in houses and hospitals and in populated areas in hopes that US will kill civilians. They know that we hate to kill civilians and do EVERYTHING we can to stop it.
Nice job on dodgeing my request to find proof of a soldier killing somone on purpose.

[TheWizard]

Iraqi Civilian Deaths
Period Total
Oct-06 664
Sep-06 3539
Aug-06 2966
Jul-06 1280
Jun-06 870
May-06 1119
Apr-06 1010
Mar-06 1092
Feb-06 846
Jan-06 779



So here are the facts. :)

[Phantom]

Iraqi Civilian Deaths
Period Total
Oct-06 664
Sep-06 3539
Aug-06 2966
Jul-06 1280
Jun-06 870
May-06 1119
Apr-06 1010
Mar-06 1092
Feb-06 846
Jan-06 779



So here are the facts. :)I don't see what you don't get. Those deaths are not our fault. Insurgents hide in populated areas. Insurgents kill civilians. Enough said:) Please find all the deaths caused directly by US fire when there are no insurgents hiding around:) Last time I checked only 13% of civilians were killed by US fire and it was because of insurgent hiding in populated areas.

[TheWizard]

I don't see what you don't get. Those deaths are not our fault. Insurgents hide in populated areas. Insurgents kill civilians. Enough said:) Please find all the deaths caused directly by US fire when there are no insurgents hiding around:) Last time I checked only 13% of civilians were killed by US fire and it was because of insurgent hiding in populated areas.

I'll mtake your 13% as an estimate. 13% is a huge number of civilians.

:clap: to the US Troop killers.

[Phantom]

I'll mtake your 13% as an estimate. 13% is a huge number of civilians.

:clap: to the US Troop killers.13% of the civilians killed, not the entire population, and its because of the insurgents hiding in populated areas.
You know you realy amaze me. Somone could be against their own country and not even give the troops benifits of the doubt. Sucked in by your liberal media, propaganda. You are just soooo I can't even explain my disgust.
Debate over you lose its not even worth debating with you anymore.
I have shown you more than enough evidence to convince any intelligent open minded person.

[cmpcmp]

Iraqi civilian theaths carried out by who?
-Insurgents?
-How many are form soldiers?

Yes i know there there are examples of soldiers doing bad things, they are human like the rest of us. They do make mistakes and they should be punnished for them.
If you send 200,000+ (i think thats around the number of ppl that have been rotated through) your are bound to have soem "bad seeds". But what percent of soldiers are "bad seeds"? not very many. Its wrong to say things like

What about all those CIA torture prisions.
DO you have a scrap of proof, from any websites without a rediculious agenda?

[TheWizard]

Actually, I support our hero US troops.

But they have had times when they failed to take the high road of ethics. Granted a small number but thats the number shown on comcast news.

I love my country and it pisses me off when a few people let us down.

[Phantom]

Actually, I support our hero US troops.

But they have had times when they failed to take the high road of ethics. Granted a small number but thats the number shown on comcast news.

I love my country and it pisses me off when a few people let us down.Well I see you've had a change of heart:)
I agree that a VERY VERY tiny amount of our troops are bad, they deserve to be punished, we hold ourselfs to a higher standard than the animals we are fighting. I agree I get pissed when some soldier fucks up and the media takes it and says this is all of our soldiers.

[Hyper]

Hmm by what I've seen its not a very tiny amount.. It more seems to me by examples of ppl I speak to on the internet.. Documentaries.. And my classmates that alot of people seem to belive that everyone in the middle east is some fanatic.. And the most intresting documentary about Iraq and other things was 9/11 by Micheal Moore where he talked to some of those 18-20 year old kids.. Brainwashed by the media and those 80's films where Chuck Norris kills 200 ppl with maybe some elite squad and where 1 American dies and theres emotional music as he coughs some blood and says a few words like ,, We got them! ''.. I am not saying everyone is like that.. But of course the media will show more of the bad things THAT's what attracts viewers bad things.. The fact stands that US troops HAVE KILLED INNOCENT CIVILIANS for no reason without any insurgents hiding in a crowd..

[Phantom]

Hmm by what I've seen its not a very tiny amount.. It more seems to me by examples of ppl I speak to on the internet.. Documentaries.. And my classmates that alot of people seem to belive that everyone in the middle east is some fanatic.. And the most intresting documentary about Iraq and other things was 9/11 by Micheal Moore where he talked to some of those 18-20 year old kids.. Brainwashed by the media and those 80's films where Chuck Norris kills 200 ppl with maybe some elite squad and where 1 American dies and theres emotional music as he coughs some blood and says a few words like ,, We got them! ''.. I am not saying everyone is like that.. But of course the media will show more of the bad things THAT's what attracts viewers bad things.. The fact stands that US troops HAVE KILLED INNOCENT CIVILIANS for no reason without any insurgents hiding in a crowd..Prove it, enough said. MICHEAL MOORE! LOL ok you are now cleared of any and all credibility.
http://zipperfish.com/free/yaafm9.php

[cmpcmp]

Hmm by what I've seen its not a very tiny amount.. It more seems to me by examples of ppl I speak to on the internet.. Documentaries.. And my classmates
I dont get what ur saying... Either try and find some kind of this thing called "fact" or.....

The fact stands that US troops HAVE KILLED INNOCENT CIVILIANS for no reason without any insurgents hiding in a crowd..
Its probly happened, I don't, theres no proof (or alteast u don't provide any), But with 200,000 ppl out there? come on. If u can find any nations army with 200,000 ppl, put them in another country where their largest threat is IED's and terrorists shamelessly blowing themselves up, and no one kills an innocent child.

Well i will eat my shoe.

[Hyper]

Hmm.. All I am saying is that from the 200 000 soldiers there has been violence against innocent civilians.. And Phantom I think your trying to get yourself banned again?

[Phantom]

Hmm.. All I am saying is that from the 200 000 soldiers there has been violence against innocent civilians.. And Phantom I think your trying to get yourself banned again?Prove it. You can't because it dosnt happen.

[*Dissident*]

Phantom....I havent actually seen you give facts yet either, bro. All I see is you typing things you say are facts. If you want us to believe you, I suggest a few things:

1) STOP insulting us.
2) START providing links to credible sources
3) STOP saying the same things over and over again,
and finally,
4) STOP being so extreme about things. All these insults and threats and malicious behavior, it all makes you look like a dumb ass. Seriously.

[Phantom]

Phantom....I havent actually seen you give facts yet either, bro. All I see is you typing things you say are facts. If you want us to believe you, I suggest a few things:

1) STOP insulting us.
2) START providing links to credible sources
3) STOP saying the same things over and over again,
and finally,
4) STOP being so extreme about things. All these insults and threats and malicious behavior, it all makes you look like a dumb ass. Seriously.*Sigh* I (1) I only insult if you are stupid or you insult me first. (2) I did'nt think that such obvious things deserves the time it takes to find a link but whatever, if you seem to be in denial. (3) I say the same things over because the idiots say the same stupid things over and over. (4) How am I extreme. I find this funny because I have an extreme right wing friend and he is always calling me leftist pussy, and keeps saying I am getting sucked in my leftist propaganda.

[Hyper]

*Sigh* I (1) I only insult if you are stupid or you insult me first. (2) I did'nt think that such obvious things deserves the time it takes to find a link but whatever, if you seem to be in denial. (3) I say the same things over because the idiots say the same stupid things over and over. (4) How am I extreme. I find this funny because I have an extreme right wing friend and he is always calling me leftist pussy, and keeps saying I am getting sucked in my leftist propaganda.

Please read your own post.. Then read your other posts and if you still cant see it then your the STUPID one.

[Phantom]

Please read your own post.. Then read your other posts and if you still cant see it then your the STUPID one.? what are you talking about. I do read my posts.

[Hyper]

Prove it. You can't because it DOSNT HAPPEN.

Phantom....I havent actually seen you GIVE FACTS yet either, bro. All I see is you TYPING THINGS YOU SAY ARE FACTS. If you want us to believe you, I suggest a few things:

1) STOP insulting us.
2) START providing links to credible sources
3) STOP saying the same things over and over again,
and finally,
4) STOP being so extreme about things. All these insults and threats and malicious behavior, it all makes you look like a dumb ass. Seriously.

*Sigh* I (1) I only insult if you ARE STUPID or you insult me first. (2) I did'nt think that SUCH OBVIOUS things deserves the time it takes to find a link but whatever, if you SEEM TO BE IN DENIAL (3) I say the same things OVER because THE IDIOTS say the SAME STUPID things over and over. (4) How am I extreme. I find this funny because I have an extreme right wing friend and he is always calling me leftist pussy, and keeps saying I am getting sucked in my leftist propaganda.


Now read that and read your all posts in the debate forum 20 times and if you still cant see it then your the one in denial

[Phantom]

Now read that and read your all posts in the debate forum 20 times and if you still cant see it then your the one in denial??? ok you lost me, if you are trying to look cool its not working. So I suppose when I wrote "DOSNT HAPPEN" you take that as an insult? wow you must be realy sensative:lol:

[TheWizard]

Please keep calm. Its just debate not the end of the world. :)

[Hyper]

??? ok you lost me, if you are trying to look cool its not working. So I suppose when I wrote "DOSNT HAPPEN" you take that as an insult? wow you must be realy sensative:lol:


Hmm if I would caps everything typoed in that post I think it would all be capsed.. Even though I typo myself you typo even more than me and your home language is English? And no I am not 'trying to look cool'

[Phantom]

Hmm if I would caps everything typoed in that post I think it would all be capsed.. Even though I typo myself you typo even more than me and your home language is English? And no I am not 'trying to look cool'OMFGZZZ I did not even bother with punctuation!!!! That must automaticly make my IQ less than a rat!!!

[Phantom]

Hmm (COMMA!!) if I would caps everything typoed in that post I think it would all be capsed..( ONLY ONE PERIOD!!!) Even though I typo myself you typo even more than me and your home language is ( UNESSISARY CAPITALIZATION!!)English? And no I am not ( ITS " NOT ')'trying to look cool' Fixed. You sure have alot of room correcting me.

[Whisper]

Back on topic or i'm locking it
this thread wasent created for you to fight about punctuation and grammer

[cmpcmp]

Lock it down please

[Phantom]

I agree lock please

[0=]

How about not. Phantom, we might take you seriously if you stop insulting us in every post, and just have a nice debate, but instead, you always laugh when someone disagrees with you and start calling them stupid and/or ignorant. Ever since you joined there hasn't been a single debate worth reading, the problem isn't the thread, it's you, you need to be locked. Show some maturity, you're older than me, I shouldn't have to give you this lecture.

[Phantom]

How about not. Phantom, we might take you seriously if you stop insulting us in every post, and just have a nice debate, but instead, you always laugh when someone disagrees with you and start calling them stupid and/or ignorant. Ever since you joined there hasn't been a single debate worth reading, the problem isn't the thread, it's you, you need to be locked. Show some maturity, you're older than me, I shouldn't have to give you this lecture. Popo I think your idea of a "nice" debate is one where I don't beat you in.If you would accualy read the debates you would see that its going fine intill you come in and say somthing such as "phantom your ignorant bush is stupid US is facist". I do have nice debates, I only flame if flamed first or somthing stupid is said such as america is facist or somthing.

[0=]

I'm sure I started this.

War on
Discuss war on here. Mods would you please make an exception for flames on this thread and allow me and popo to flame each other to no end.
I am looking at you popo lets see how ignorant and uninteligent I am

That's called baiting and can be considered trolling.

How about this?

Exactly. We went WAY off topic.
I am just waiting for some dumb lib like popo to come in here and say that somthing stupid. That should kick off the debate well.

[Phantom]

What about when I wrote "I once walked into the kitchen when I was little to see my dad slaming my moms head on the counter My dad used to hit and yell at my mom and punch holes in walls break stuff. I never thought it realy affected me maybe it did more than I thought "

And then you come out of nowhere with this EXTREMELY insulting post about my dad.
"It's quite possible he bonked your head."

LOL I am accualy looking for more of your "come out of nowhere flames" but I see they have been deleted because they were so bad, I guess I am going to have to go from memory.

What about "mother fuck why is this ignorant piece of shit still allowed to post here?"

Or the NUMEROUS other unprovoked flames.

[0=]

Hey Phantom, guess you started another flame war.

Popo I think your idea of a "nice" debate is one where I don't beat you in.If you would accualy read the debates you would see that its going fine intill you come in and say somthing such as "phantom your ignorant bush is stupid US is facist". I do have nice debates, I only flame if flamed first or somthing stupid is said such as america is facist or somthing.

Let's see, I try to get a point through your thick skull and you completely ignore it and start personal attacks again. Why the fuck do you have so much trouble debating nicely?

[Bobby]

Ok, guys this isn't a debate anymore. This is not the "Flame Everyone!" forum, this is the debate forum. If you would like to flame take it to a PM, or just ignore eachother. But I suggest you stay out of the Debate forum if your not going to actually debate. I know this isn't my forum, I'm not a G-mod, or an Admin... but seriouly this needs to be said. Now stop It



I agree lock please

If you want it locked then don't post in it anymore ;)

[0=]

Kolte left VT, he isn't coming back, we need a new mod.

[Phantom]

Kolte left:( damn that sucks I hope he is ok.
I say we find somone unbiased to be a mod in the debate forum like cmpcmp or whisper.

[Bobby]

We now have moderators for all of the general discussion forums
Kolte - Kolte
Whisper - Cody
Chrono - Andy

I would also like to know why you think I am biased...all I did was ask you both to stop.

[0=]

He hated you Phantom, why the fuck would you miss him?

[Phantom]

He hated you Phantom, why the fuck would you miss him?He hated eveyone:D
He was cool I liked Kolte.

[0=]

He didn't hate everyone.

[Phantom]

He didn't hate everyone.Read his posts.

[0=]

I've talked to him on msn.

[*Dissident*]

God...this is stupid. CMPCMP is not unbiased, it was obvious. Phantom, you just think he was unbiased because he was on your side of the arguments. And phantom, take my word for it....you do start flame wars

[Phantom]

God...this is stupid. CMPCMP is not unbiased, it was obvious. Phantom, you just think he was unbiased because he was on your side of the arguments. And phantom, take my word for it....you do start flame warsCMPCMP? No he isnt. He is not always on my side either. I thin whisper and cmpcmp are probably the best people for the debate forum mod. I think diego would be ok to.

[*Dissident*]

Wizard has my vote at this time. not to discredit cmpcmp or diego though

[Whisper]

I asked you to keep this on topic and instead you kept fighting and now your fighting over the existing mods
Enough!

[locked]