When to Start a War

[*Dissident*]

Different people have different view points about War in general. How they should be fought, who against, in what situations, etc. I know you cannot generalize most of the time, because it all depends on situation, but what are you guys' views on When to start a war? Such as, "
When they invade us", "When the threat for invasion becomes imminent and proved", or "When they seem to be a threat", all of which have been used some point in history. I myself think we should never throw the first punch.

[scottyman]

true we should never throw the first punch but i would start a war if the other country invaded us.

[TheWizard]

If we have proof they are going to attack us then we can go to war. Not Bush's kind of proof, but real proof. :)

[Phantom]

Ok I am going to give examples of each. 1st invading us first = I have a gun I raise it and shoot you you try to shoot me if you are not dead yet. 2 when they are a threat = I have a gun I raise it to shoot you and you shoot me.
BTW wizard nice shot at bush. To bad saddam did have wmds used them. When we got there he had the capablity to make them so he could have just started making then then he would have them.
Anyone with eyes can see that saddam had them.
Example is this not a good reason to go in. you live by me. I am in my house I shoot and kill 2 people. Police come in take me out, but they can't find the gun. It goes out onto the media as murder by police lies and whole bunch of crap. At first everyone supported going in but once the police couldnt find the gun the media started saying crap.

[0=]

Provide some proof for your statement phantom, we never found WMD, or any trace of them.

[*Dissident*]

NO. not on this thread.
we have had enough of this argument!

[Phantom]

Provide some proof for your statement phantom, we never found WMD, or any trace of them.Kinda we did find some sarin gas shells but not a WHOLE lot, BUT he did have the capability to MAKE them. If we would have not gone in he could have started making them. You have any Idea what a terrorist organization would do with one, he would probably give it to some palistine terrorists because saddam had contacts with palestinian terrorists. You have any Idea what nerve gas does to children. Want some pictures. Anyone with eyes could see that saddam had and used wmds before, Iran, kuwait, kurds, own people. What was stoping him from doing that again, its just like my example. Please read my thread democrat hypocrisy. Almost ALL the dems ALL the reps the senate and numerous other countrys supported the Iraq war at first. But alas is the dem way we take one casuality they want to cut and run. popo did you support the Iraq war from the very begining?

[mRojas2000]

I might not say in this thread other than:

I agree with Josh

[TheWizard]

Thank you so much for staying. I can't let Phantom get away with his rants without responding.

Prove the WMD Phantom. :)

[*Dissident*]

]-;105661']I don't believe in throwing the first punch (wow, I'm really one to talk...)

I have different views on this:

If we KNOW their going to invade, ie such as Nazi Germany built up a humongous ground, air, and naval force and was trying to push other countries around, yes, I say throw the first punch. However, if their like Iraq and couldn't hold their own ground if they used every citizen they had, then it is not only stupid, but a waste of time and money to start a large ground offensive.

I understand that we need to weed out terrorists. But first, I think we should work on building up our home turf, then we should focus on weeding out those sadistic bastards.

Jmho

I agree, but how about instead of throwing the first punch, we hold up our arm in defense?

[cmpcmp]

The idea of holding up an arm in defence..... I belive that we should have missillile defence that works, and that we should STOP RADICALS form getting nukes.

-Its tough to block a nuke with your arm (metaphoricly) as it will blow apart ur entire body.
-if a major city is blow up by a nuke tomorrow, Don't expect to hear public out cry as we stertegicly bomb, Iran and N Korea, and innocents are caught in the cross fire.

[*Dissident*]

The idea of holding up an arm in defence..... I belive that we should have missillile defence that works, and that we should STOP RADICALS form getting nukes.

-Its tough to block a nuke with your arm (metaphoricly) as it will blow apart ur entire body.
-if a major city is blow up by a nuke tomorrow, Don't expect to hear public out cry as we stertegicly bomb, Iran and N Korea, and innocents are caught in the cross fire.

-there are many anti-missle technologies, which is where i would like to see our defense budgeting go more into.
-i wont. I guess we could punch back if we get hit in the face.

[Whisper]

personally i agree with the war in afganistan and in iraq i just wish we could speed it up a lil cause i want iran and N korea to die now it sucks canadas millitarys crap

[cmpcmp]

If u let them get the first punch, they will do a lot of dammge. The problem w/ terrorism is that you may not know where the "punch" came form, so no one to strike. Plus why would they have to launch it in an intercontanental balistic missile, when they could probly walk it to a border town of Europe and explode it, or put it on a boat, or hide it on the iranian presidents personal plane on a U.N. visit?

The only way to make sure that terrorist can't succelfully nuke us is to make sure that they can't get nukes.

[Whisper]

Just so you dont forget the seriousnes of what were really talking about
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[kolte]

Cody I would like for you to not post such unessesarily dramatic photos that I personally deem inapropriate. Remember, this is a PG13 site. Lets keep it that way ok. You can remove the photos on your own if you would. Thankyou.

[Whisper]

Cody I would like for you to not post such unessesarily dramatic photos that I personally deem inapropriate. Remember, this is a PG13 site. Lets keep it that way ok. You can remove the photos on your own if you would. Thankyou.
no if an admin or GM wants to edit my post they can go ahead but i find it funny how everyones all big and bold saying lets do this lets do that then they squirm and freak out at just a few pictures

war is a very messy bussiness
if your old enough to act all tough about it and be like "oh yea we should go bomb the shit outta them ha ha ha" then your old enough to face the realitys of it
besides PG13 allows some blood and gore according to wikipedia anyway
now I have seen some war videos and imagry that i will never post here these arent them
besides these are all from the week in pictures from msnbc that i've collected over time

I agree with the afgan war and with getting rid or saddam

i'm worried about North korea but i realise military action will never be takin least we wont attack first but i can see kim selling off atleast one or two of his lil bombs to the highest bidder hes desperate for cash and has tried the arms trade befor

I'm worried about Iran becoming a nuclear power and what that would do to the stability of the middle east the attacks and effects it can have on my people and our allies

I'm worried that even though weapons tecnology is far more advanced then it used to be civilian casualtys is WAY up compared to previous wars and confrontations

I'm worried that there isnt enough soliders right now to cover eachothers backs and we havent supplied the needed equipment that will bring a quicker end to resistance saving our soliders lives

I'm worried about the sorry state of my countries millitary how the liberal party let it fall into such disrepair the shortage of soliders and the lack of needed equipment

i'm seriously considering enlisting many people around where i live either already have or are considering it aswell

[cmpcmp]

war is a terrible thing.

nonretaliation pacifism ISN'T peace.

[Whisper]

war is a terrible thing.

nonretaliation pacifism ISN'T peace.

I completly agree

[cmpcmp]

The trick is finding the best middle. Which is up for debate.