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Azunite
August 20th, 2010, 11:12 AM
Well, they made a survey and 1 out fo 5 people in america thinks Obama is Muslim.

A press meeting was held at White House and someone said that Obama is a Christian and " Always prays before going into bed ".

Well, I may think he is Muslim because.. Well when he came to Turkey, first thing he done was to visit Süleymanıye mosque, before visiting any other church in Istanbul.

He is very sensitive abotu the Mosque by Ground Zero,
What do you think ?

scuba steve
August 20th, 2010, 11:54 AM
Obviously out of shear respect nothing more that he visited this mosque, i doubt Obama is Muslim if it's stated that he's christian then he's probably christian. His father may have been raised muslim but is a confirmed athiest so there is little chance that he received any childhood influence from his father either.
i would imagine that he is sensitive of the mosque near ground zero as he does not want to give the image that America is "profiling" against the muslim community that they are all terrorists if the church was to be removed.

Amnesiac
August 20th, 2010, 12:17 PM
I seriously doubt that. Is it possible? Yes. I would actually lean more to the idea that he's an atheist, but I doubt that too. Either way, I REALLY don't care. Politics and religion are two separate things.

huginnmuninn
August 20th, 2010, 04:05 PM
I seriously doubt that. Is it possible? Yes. I would actually lean more to the idea that he's an atheist, but I doubt that too. Either way, I REALLY don't care. Politics and religion are two separate things.

agreed and even if he was muslim as long as hes not an extremist does it really matter?

Azunite
August 20th, 2010, 04:08 PM
What do you mean like extremist? Like he goes to mosque every day or something ?

justalovestruckteen
August 20th, 2010, 04:09 PM
My paster said he was Muslim

Obscene Eyedeas
August 20th, 2010, 04:12 PM
My paster said he was Muslim

Is your paster all knowing? I doubt it so if you could give the reasons why he believes it then you may have a more credible answer to debate otherwise this answer is not even worth real consideration

Azunite
August 20th, 2010, 04:18 PM
Paster ?

Obscene Eyedeas
August 20th, 2010, 04:19 PM
Paster ?

I do believe he means pastor:

The word pastor usually refers to an ordained leader of a Christian congregation.
In some countries the term is used in relation to Protestant churches. It can also be used in reference to priests and bishops within the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox churches. The word itself is derived from the Latin word pastor which means "shepherd". The term "pastor" is also related to the role of elder within the New Testament, but is not synonymous with the biblical understanding of minister.

MadManWithaBox
August 20th, 2010, 04:31 PM
If he was muslim, no way he'd have been voted in to be president.

Camazotz
August 20th, 2010, 07:21 PM
Obama has stated that he's Christian, was sworn into office on a Bible, and has not done anything religiously to point to the accusation of him being Muslim. So no, I think Obama is Christian, not Muslim.

Jess
August 20th, 2010, 07:34 PM
No, I doubt that.

He is not a Muslim. The end.

Perseus
August 20th, 2010, 09:31 PM
What do you mean like extremist? Like he goes to mosque every day or something ?

Al Qaeda. The Taliban. That's extremist, dude.

No, I do not think Obama is Muslim. There is nothing to point towards to him being Muslim. Even if he was, why would it matter? After 9/11, Muslims have been portrayed as the epitome of evil.

Shortkid
August 20th, 2010, 10:02 PM
He's clearly stated that he's Christian. He goes to a Christian church. Remember all of that controversy over Reverend Wright during the campaign. Obama was a member of his church for years. I guarantee that's not a mosque. He is not muslim.

It wouldn't matter anyway. We have freedom of religion in the US and he's entitled to it as much as anyone else.

Amnesiac
August 20th, 2010, 10:07 PM
He's clearly stated that he's Christian. He goes to a Christian church. Remember all of that controversy over Reverend Wright during the campaign. Obama was a member of his church for years. I guarantee that's not a mosque. He is not muslim.

It wouldn't matter anyway. We have freedom of religion in the US and he's entitled to it as much as anyone else.

Obama's Christian enough to oppose gay marriage, a remarkably conservative stance for such a Democrat as himself. I'll take his word for it and say he's a Christian, there's no solid evidence to the contrary.

Bougainvillea
August 20th, 2010, 10:15 PM
I think the real question that people should be asking is "Is he doing his job right?".

I don't understand why people have to make a big deal about it. He's the president. That's it.

Sometimes, I really hate people. Especially americans.
"I don't really know anything about Bush, but I know I'm voting for him because he's a christian." Yeah, mother fucker. Look where that got us.

Cloud
August 20th, 2010, 10:16 PM
Who honestly gives a shit?
its not like hes forcing religion down the throats of the children or whatever does it actually make a difference to anything?
other than ignorant racist americans attitudes towards him?

Tre12
August 20th, 2010, 11:41 PM
well he some of his family members are muslim

Magus
August 21st, 2010, 02:14 AM
well he some of his family members are muslim

Paternally, he is a Muslim. According to Islamic law, a child born from a Muslim father doesn't need to preform a Sahada or anything, therefor he is a Muslim by birth.

Have you seen him praying(The Salami Lick'em way?), enchanting(Allah-Akbar(?)), reading (Quran)?

I thought he is agnostic or something like that. Religiously ambiguous, you see.

Azunite
August 21st, 2010, 04:48 AM
Agreed.

The Batman
August 21st, 2010, 05:14 AM
Obama's Christian enough to oppose gay marriage, a remarkably conservative stance for such a Democrat as himself. I'll take his word for it and say he's a Christian, there's no solid evidence to the contrary.

Actually every source I've seen says that he does support same sex marriage here's a statement I found from his office.

"Barack Obama has always believed that same-sex couples should enjoy equal rights under the law, and he will continue to fight for civil unions as President. He respects the decision of the California Supreme Court, and continues to believe that states should make their own decisions when it comes to the issue of marriage.”
http://thepage.time.com/obama-statement-on-california-gay-marriage-decision/
He said this during his campaign. I think he said he's against it personally but unlike other politicians he's not letting that control how he feels professionally.


There's also this:
What’s to stand in its way? Obama opposes a federal constitutional amendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman. He opposes the federal Defense of Marriage Act that prevents states from having to recognize same-sex marriages from other states. And he supports activist judges of the sort who find the California court’s reasoning congenial.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/23/opinion/main4124256.shtml

Amnesiac
August 21st, 2010, 12:40 PM
Actually every source I've seen says that he does support same sex marriage here's a statement I found from his office.


http://thepage.time.com/obama-statement-on-california-gay-marriage-decision/
He said this during his campaign. I think he said he's against it personally but unlike other politicians he's not letting that control how he feels professionally.


There's also this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/23/opinion/main4124256.shtml

I do know during the campaign he stated he was personally against same-sex marriage, but supports civil unions. He's unlike other Democrats as he refuses to make a federal law or use Congress to pass a bill concerning gay marriage.

Many Democrats would use presidential power to attempt to push a same-sex marriage bill through Congress, but Obama's "leave it to the states" position is similar to that of some socially centrist Republicans.

vice
August 21st, 2010, 03:56 PM
Paternally, he is a Muslim. According to Islamic law, a child born from a Muslim father doesn't need to preform a Sahada or anything, therefor he is a Muslim by birth.

Have you seen him praying(The Salami Lick'em way?), enchanting(Allah-Akbar(?)), reading (Quran)?

I thought he is agnostic or something like that. Religiously ambiguous, you see.

Plus his step-father, when in Indonesia, was a practicing Muslim. Obama attemded a Muslim school while in Indonesia until living in Hawaii.

Have you seen him praying? Yes, Obama did do an interview where he talked about a Muslim prayer recited it well.

Muslims always try to make a connection with Christianity, using the same reference to God and Jesus - although not acknowledging Jesus as the Son of God but only a prophet. So it's conceivable that Obama is a Muslim who accepts Christianity.

Jess
August 21st, 2010, 04:13 PM
I think the real question that people should be asking is "Is he doing his job right?".

I don't understand why people have to make a big deal about it. He's the president. That's it.

Sometimes, I really hate people. Especially americans.
"I don't really know anything about Bush, but I know I'm voting for him because he's a christian." Yeah, mother fucker. Look where that got us.

I totally agree. who really cares if he is or not?

Sith Lord 13
August 21st, 2010, 04:16 PM
You are what you identify as. He says he's Christian, so he's Christian.

Also, unless he was planning to let his religious views make a strong impact on his governing style, it doesn't really matter. He could worship the FSM for all I care. (Actually, if he did, I'd probably vote for because the FSM is awesome.)

Magus
August 21st, 2010, 04:25 PM
So it's conceivable that Obama is a Muslim who accepts Christianity.

You are what you identify as. He says he's
Christian, so he's Christian.

I see conflicting views. One says he is a Muslim, and another says he is a Christian.

But I am comfortable with my "Religiously ambiguous" point.

What say you?

The Batman
August 21st, 2010, 04:48 PM
I see conflicting views. One says he is a Muslim, and another says he is a Christian.

But I am comfortable with my "Religiously ambiguous" point.

What say you?

Those aren't conflicting views. One is going by what he says the other is going by what they think. You can't really argue with what someone says about themselves when it comes to what religion they identify with.

Underground_Network
August 21st, 2010, 05:03 PM
I say let turtles be whales.

And Obama is not Muslim. We choose our own faith and he has not chosen to be Muslim. He has chosen the path of Christianity.

Honestly I could give two fucks about what religion he is. He's the president and church and state were separated long ago. So who gives a fuck what religion Obama is? It's whether he's performing his role as president, not whether he's praying to the Qu'ran or the Bible.

End of story.

vice
August 21st, 2010, 05:35 PM
But I am comfortable with my "Religiously ambiguous" point.



Ambiguous: Open to two or more interpretations

Yeah, it sounds like you and I are saying the same thing.

I mentioned that he was a Muslim who accepted Christianity in that he's willing to give it heed - acknowledge it.

I think it may be that he is open to both Islam and Christianity.

Obama did say - some say let slip - in an interview the words "my Muslim faith", when being asked if what others were saying was true that you are a Muslim.

I guess he finds it possible to be both Muslim and Christian at the same time. Personally, I'm sure that they are not compatible. But according to his thinking it may be.

lebowski
August 25th, 2010, 04:38 PM
No i dont... but even if he was... so what?!

I mean why do you have to start letting a persons faith or sexuality or colour of their skin define the way you see them?

I think its odd that people care. :))

chazzrox2
August 25th, 2010, 05:53 PM
I think he's a Christian, if he's said it why not beleive him?
And I don't see the controversy of having a mosque near Ground Zero, many people died in 9/11, i'm sure prayers have been said by millions of muslims all over America since and why is everyone opposing it? It's not like Muhammed himself tried to blow up the towers was it? No it was some extremists, not exactly commisioned to do it.
And why would it matter if Obama was? The whole country was built on the idea of freedom (and a place to get rid of criminals but *shush*).
And i expect that the reason he went to a mosque in Turkey is becuase its a very Islamic country, it was respectful!
People should get over themselves!