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Jess
August 16th, 2010, 02:53 PM
China Passes Japan as Second-Largest Economy (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/China-Passes-Japan-as-nytimes-2766831302.html?x=0&.v=1)

SHANGHAI — After three decades of spectacular growth, China passed Japan in the second quarter to become the world’s second-largest economy behind the United States, according to government figures released early Monday.

The milestone, though anticipated for some time, is the most striking evidence yet that China’s ascendance is for real and that the rest of the world will have to reckon with a new economic superpower.

The recognition came early Monday, when Tokyo said that Japan’s economy was valued at about $1.28 trillion in the second quarter, slightly below China’s $1.33 trillion. Japan’s economy grew 0.4 percent in the quarter, Tokyo said, substantially less than forecast. That weakness suggests that China’s economy will race past Japan’s for the full year.

Experts say unseating Japan — and in recent years passing Germany, France and Great Britain — underscores China’s growing clout and bolsters forecasts that China will pass the United States as the world’s biggest economy as early as 2030. America’s gross domestic product was about $14 trillion in 2009.

“This has enormous significance,” said Nicholas R. Lardy, an economist at the Peterson Institute for International Economics. “It reconfirms what’s been happening for the better part of a decade: China has been eclipsing Japan economically. For everyone in China’s region, they’re now the biggest trading partner rather than the U.S. or Japan.”

For Japan, whose economy has been stagnating for more than a decade, the figures reflect a decline in economic and political power. Japan has had the world’s second-largest economy for much of the last four decades, according to the World Bank. And during the 1980s, there was even talk about Japan’s economy some day overtaking that of the United States.

But while Japan’s economy is mature and its population quickly aging, China is in the throes of urbanization and is far from developed, analysts say, meaning it has a much lower standard of living, as well as a lot more room to grow. Just five years ago, China’s gross domestic product was about $2.3 trillion, about half of Japan’s.

This country has roughly the same land mass as the United States, but it is burdened with a fifth of the world’s population and insufficient resources.

Its per capita income is more on a par with those of impoverished nations like Algeria, El Salvador and Albania — which, along with China, are close to $3,600 — than that of the United States, where it is about $46,000.

Yet there is little disputing that under the direction of the Communist Party, China has begun to reshape the way the global economy functions by virtue of its growing dominance of trade, its huge hoard of foreign exchange reserves and United States government debt and its voracious appetite for oil, coal, iron ore and other natural resources.

China is already a major driver of global growth. The country’s leaders have grown more confident on the international stage and have begun to assert greater influence in Asia, Africa and Latin America, with things like special trade agreements and multibillion dollar resource deals.

“They’re exerting a lot of influence on the global economy and becoming dominant in Asia,” said Eswar S. Prasad, a professor of trade policy at Cornell and former head of the International Monetary Fund’s China division. “A lot of other economies in the region are essentially riding on China’s coat tails, and this is remarkable for an economy with a low per capita income.”

In Japan, the mood was one of resignation. Though increasingly eclipsed by Beijing on the world stage, Japan has benefited from a booming China, initially by businesses moving production there to take advantage of lower wages and, as local incomes have risen, by tapping a large and increasingly lucrative market for Japanese goods.

Beijing is also beginning to shape global dialogues on a range of issues, analysts said; for instance, last year it asserted that the dollar must be phased out as the world’s primary reserve currency.

And while the United States and the European Union are struggling to grow in the wake of the worst economic crisis in decades, China has continued to climb up the economic league tables by investing heavily in infrastructure and backing a $586 billion stimulus plan.

This year, although growth has begun to moderate a bit, China’s economy is forecast to expand about 10 percent — continuing a remarkable three-decade streak of double-digit growth.

“This is just the beginning,” said Wang Tao, an economist at UBS in Beijing. “China is still a developing country. So it has a lot of room to grow. And China has the biggest impact on commodity prices — in Russia, India, Australia and Latin America.”

There are huge challenges ahead, though. Economists say that China’s economy is too heavily dependent on exports and investment and that it needs to encourage greater domestic consumption — something China has struggled to do.

The country’s largely state-run banks have recently been criticized for lending far too aggressively in the last year while shifting some loans off their balance sheet to disguise lending and evade rules meant to curtail lending growth.

China is also locked in a fierce debate over its currency policy, with the United States, European Union and others accusing Beijing of keeping the Chinese currency, the renminbi, artificially low to bolster exports — leading to huge trade surpluses for China but major bilateral trade deficits for the United States and the European Union. China says that its currency is not substantially undervalued and that it is moving ahead with currency reform.

Regardless, China’s rapid growth suggests that it will continue to compete fiercely with the United States and Europe for natural resources but also offer big opportunities for companies eager to tap its market.

Although its economy is still only one-third the size of the American economy, China passed the United States last year to become the world’s largest market for passenger vehicles. China also passed Germany last year to become the world’s biggest exporter.

Global companies like Caterpillar, General Electric, General Motors and Siemens — as well as scores of others — are making a more aggressive push into China, in some cases moving research and development centers here.

Some analysts, though, say that while China is eager to assert itself as a financial and economic power — and to push its state companies to “go global” — it is reluctant to play a greater role in the debate over climate change or how to slow the growth of greenhouse gases.

China passed the United States in 2006 to become the world’s largest emitter of greenhouse gases, which scientists link to global warming. But China also has an ambitious program to cut the energy it uses for each unit of economic output by 20 percent by the end of 2010, compared to 2006.

Assessing what China’s newfound clout means, though, is complicated. While the country is still relatively poor per capita, it has an authoritarian government that is capable of taking decisive action — to stimulate the economy, build new projects and invest in specific industries.

That, Mr. Lardy at the Peterson Institute said, gives the country unusual power. “China is already the primary determiner of the price of virtually every major commodity,” he said. “And the Chinese government can be much more decisive in allocating resources in a way that other governments of this level of per capita income cannot.”



my mom expected this :P of course, so did I.

Azunite
August 16th, 2010, 03:21 PM
I tihnk that is so dumb, China has no economy. Americans and other europeans come and build factories in CHina, in exchange china gets land money. That'S all economy

Kahn
August 16th, 2010, 03:36 PM
This isn't surprising. People need to stop shitting over China. People already knew this would happen.

mrmcdonaldduck
August 16th, 2010, 05:22 PM
Hmmmph. 2 reasons for this. Paying workers slave rates and cheap as hell commodity prices from other countries. Still, ive been expecting this for a long time now, and now the US is gonna be shitting their pants over china.

Amnesiac
August 17th, 2010, 05:14 PM
Just more evidence that China is the next superpower.

scuba steve
August 17th, 2010, 05:44 PM
I spy a war...

Azunite
August 17th, 2010, 05:58 PM
Who doesn't?

Jess
August 17th, 2010, 06:09 PM
War over what? >_>

scuba steve
August 17th, 2010, 06:22 PM
If it was anyone, it would be China that would start shite. That's all i'm sayin...

Amnesiac
August 17th, 2010, 06:23 PM
If it was anyone, it would be China that would start shite. That's all i'm sayin...

If by China you mean North Korea, then yes.

Perseus
August 17th, 2010, 06:26 PM
If it was anyone, it would be China that would start shite. That's all i'm sayin...

China has no need to go to war with us. They own us. :P If North Korea declared war on someone, China would not back them up. If it was the other way around, China would probably do some backing up but not a lot.

scuba steve
August 17th, 2010, 06:26 PM
If by China you mean North Korea, then yes.

I mean technically stable country's with an actual leader. North Korea wouldn't get past the Korean no-mansland or through China since China is their closest allie and lack the technology to succesfully get to Japan.

Amnesiac
August 17th, 2010, 06:29 PM
I mean technically stable country's with an actual leader. North Korea wouldn't get past the Korean no-mansland or through China since China is their closest allie and lack the technology to succesfully get to Japan.

True, North Korea's probable possession of nuclear weapons combined with China's "alliance" (it's barely one) with them could create an ugly war.

However if China wants to keep deregulating its economy and become THE largest economy in the world, it won't do anything provocative.

Kahn
August 18th, 2010, 03:28 PM
"zomg bama iz runing teh economy."

LOLno.

Azunite
August 18th, 2010, 05:52 PM
It is like Russia declaring war on America. America's economy is far better than Russians so America will win eventually.
China's economy is better you people say because China does not give money to it's citizens everyone is poor there ,that's why the government has money.
But America's both government and it's citizens have money

scuba steve
August 18th, 2010, 06:16 PM
It is like Russia declaring war on America. America's economy is far better than Russians so America will win eventually.
China's economy is better you people say because China does not give money to it's citizens everyone is poor there ,that's why the government has money.
But America's both government and it's citizens have money

Russia statisticly has one million more troops than America but yu know, America will do everything at all costs. :P

Tiberius
August 18th, 2010, 10:40 PM
I think most of you are missing one important fact: If Americans stop buying Chinese goods and start buying American, Japanese, Canadian, Mexican and European goods, China will totally collapse as a country. America owns the Chinese economy.

scuba steve
August 19th, 2010, 04:02 AM
I think most of you are missing one important fact: If Americans stop buying Chinese goods and start buying American, Japanese, Canadian, Mexican and European goods, China will totally collapse as a country. America owns the Chinese economy.

Generally everything in the UK/USA community is manufactured in China, with the rare exception of the likes of India or like when i looked at my jeans the other day and found out they're from Morroco.

Kahn
August 19th, 2010, 11:28 AM
I think most of you are missing one important fact: If Americans stop buying Chinese goods and start buying American, Japanese, Canadian, Mexican and European goods, China will totally collapse as a country. America owns the Chinese economy.

We as a country don't have enough products to be bought in a mass compared to China's imported goods. Add the other countries goods you've put in and we would be spending more money then we need to when we could get the same product for a cheaper price. So why switch?

Oh yeah. The damn commies.

Perseus
August 20th, 2010, 07:56 PM
It is like Russia declaring war on America. America's economy is far better than Russians so America will win eventually.
China's economy is better you people say because China does not give money to it's citizens everyone is poor there ,that's why the government has money.
But America's both government and it's citizens have money

Chinese people are not poor. Shanghai is a nice city with skyscrapers and other such things. Lol... The people who do the cheap labor are poor, but that's what you get for doing cheap labor, y'know?

scuba steve
August 20th, 2010, 08:01 PM
Chinese people are not poor. Shanghai is a nice city with skyscrapers and other such things. Lol... The people who do the cheap labor are poor, but that's what you get for doing cheap labor, y'know?

only a select few, the vast majority of Chinas citizens are very poor, so poor that the country is still listed as a developing country

Perseus
August 20th, 2010, 08:07 PM
only a select few, the vast majority of Chinas citizens are very poor, so poor that the country is still listed as a developing country

I wouldn't say very poor. That's a stretch. They live off the land, so they're not poor in the sense you're thinking of. It's just their teeth, though. Holy shit. Disgusting. Lol, anyway. A lot of people live in the city, as well as out in the middle of nowhere using rice paddies.

scuba steve
August 20th, 2010, 08:10 PM
those people attending the rice paddies out in western china btw, where do you think China gets its so called "employees" for these industrial factories?

Perseus
August 20th, 2010, 08:17 PM
those people attending the rice paddies out in western china btw, where do you think China gets its so called "employees" for these industrial factories?

Places. :O

Azunite
August 21st, 2010, 04:50 AM
Average salary of a Chinese man is 15 dollars in a month! That's why there are skyscrapers.

scuba steve
August 21st, 2010, 06:02 AM
The chinese government origionally built up the 5 cities on the Chinese coast in awe of the west back in the 50's using the poor underpayed workforce of its unfortunate citizen majority, that's how there are skyscrapers today.

Tiberius
August 22nd, 2010, 02:41 AM
I wouldn't say very poor. That's a stretch. They live off the land, so they're not poor in the sense you're thinking of. It's just their teeth, though. Holy shit. Disgusting. Lol, anyway. A lot of people live in the city, as well as out in the middle of nowhere using rice paddies.

What land? There's nothing to eat in the rat hole. Try stuffing over a billion people in an area smaller than the United States and to further amplify that, concentrate the majority of the population on the eastern coast. There's no land and it's a giant sewer in contrast to developed countries.

Jess
August 22nd, 2010, 08:15 AM
My dad came from a poor place, Binhai. My mom came from a place (Suzhou) that's also poor but a bit better than my dad's. Where my dad was born it was a farm, so yes that's very poor. I've been there several times. The bathrooms are horrible :/

Binhai is more to the south in the eastern part of China, and Suzhou more to the north, closer to Shanghai I think. I will have to check the map >_>

Perseus
August 22nd, 2010, 08:17 AM
What land? There's nothing to eat in the rat hole. Try stuffing over a billion people in an area smaller than the United States and to further amplify that, concentrate the majority of the population on the eastern coast. There's no land and it's a giant sewer in contrast to developed countries.

There's land outside the cities, lol. If I'm correct, by the mountains, too.

Tiberius
August 22nd, 2010, 03:57 PM
There's land outside the cities, lol. If I'm correct, by the mountains, too.

I know that there's land outside the cities. Duh. What I meant was that most of China is either a desert or a mountain range. The eastern part is really the only large fertile area in China and that's packed with people.

Perseus
August 22nd, 2010, 04:01 PM
I know that there's land outside the cities. Duh. What I meant was that most of China is either a desert or a mountain range. The eastern part is really the only large fertile area in China and that's packed with people.

The rice paddies are built on the sides of mountains, so that's where you'll find the people outside the cities.

Tiberius
August 23rd, 2010, 12:43 AM
The rice paddies are built on the sides of mountains, so that's where you'll find the people outside the cities.

They have some pretty major terrace farming going on there. However, even if they produce a shit load of rice from that, I bet a good chunk gets exported to the U.S.

Continuum
August 24th, 2010, 10:47 AM
Pax Sinicus here they come.