Prisons

[Hyper]

Ok here's the deal ( I am sorry for my English 'skills' ) most prisoners do not have to work to get their own food. Practicly what is done everywhere is that we stick them in jail and feed them with our citizens money..

So practicly my question is

Should prisons have some kind of fields where prisoners could work on to earn their own food.. It would possibly save alot of money.

EDIT :: I realy am sorry for the 'error' by working for their food I meant growing it and also doing other jobs to benefit the society

[mRojas2000]

Yes...
In venezuela, at least some years ago, it was like that... prisioners would work like in the streets, re making them and stuff... I mean, I don't know if they had to actually work to get their food... but at least they are helping out in something, and helping save money, for things more important...

[Bobby]

SO pretty much doing community service to get food. I don't think that would work. Just no, I don't have a reason, I just don't like it.

[Phantom]

I say every meal we charge them

[TheWizard]

By work I thought you meant GROW their own food.

I think working on a farm growing their own food is reasonable but I would go one step further and say they should grow way more than they need and give the extra food to the poor.

I don't like the idea of chain gangs.

[redcar]

we put them in prison and we have to feed them, we cant make them work for their food, that starts to infringe on basic human rights.

making them work for luxuries such as chocolate, yes, but not meals.

[mRojas2000]

we put them in prison and we have to feed them, we cant make them work for their food, that starts to infringe on basic human rights.

making them work for luxuries such as chocolate, yes, but not meals.

how about the people who live in the streets and nave nothing more than a blancket, and a peice of box to sleep in?? how about those people who have done nothing wrong?? they havent done anything wrong, but they still dont have a meal a day.. they sometimes dont even eat for a week... for example... here to have a job, if its pretty far, you NEED TO HAVE a car... how are these people gonna do if they dont even have a home to live...
See my point?
If I was poor then, I would rather go to jail all my life where at least i might have one meal a day.

[Bobby]

See.. there are programs for homeless people to get free meals. You can't compare that to this.

[redcar]

but if you put someone in prison and if they dont want to work to get food, then it can be seen as torture, forcing someone to do something just for food. and if they dont work and you dont feed them then the state is starving them. people on the street have more options than people in prison.

[mRojas2000]

but if you put someone in prison and if they dont want to work to get food, then it can be seen as torture, forcing someone to do something just for food. and if they dont work and you dont feed them then the state is starving them. people on the street have more options than people in prison.

well... yeah... i guess it shoulf kinda be forced. i guess i was wrong...

but i do agree they should at least help doing something to help out the state, or something... they are just being useless being there doing nothing other than jackin

[Phantom]

how about the people who live in the streets and nave nothing more than a blancket, and a peice of box to sleep in?? how about those people who have done nothing wrong?? they havent done anything wrong, but they still dont have a meal a day.. they sometimes dont even eat for a week... for example... here to have a job, if its pretty far, you NEED TO HAVE a car... how are these people gonna do if they dont even have a home to live...
See my point?
If I was poor then, I would rather go to jail all my life where at least i might have one meal a day.these "homeless" people you speak of are lazy bums that dont work. I garrentee you that those idiots holding will work for food signs live in a nicer house than you. A study was done that shows you can make up to 200 dollars a day holding up those signs and getting people sympathy. The goverment gives these people everything they need, thats why they arent . Dont be so easly manipulated.

[Aηdy]

they should be treated like shit i think.. fed soup with bread or something.. give them what they deserve, for some people prison is better than home.

[TheWizard]

we put them in prison and we have to feed them, we cant make them work for their food, that starts to infringe on basic human rights.

making them work for luxuries such as chocolate, yes, but not meals.

I agree they shouldn't be forced to work to get food. It should be voluntary.

:)

[Dante]

these "homeless" people you speak of are lazy bums that dont work. I garrentee you that those idiots holding will work for food signs live in a nicer house than you. A study was done that shows you can make up to 200 dollars a day holding up those signs and getting people sympathy. The goverment gives these people everything they need, thats why they arent . Dont be so easly manipulated.

yes because as we know all homeless people are lazy bums, that do not want to get jobs. None of them could actually lose their jobs and be forced to live on the street because their so called families turned their back on them, Nooo that can never happen.

[Hyper]

Hmm.. If they have 'hurt' the society commited crimes against it why should the society support them? In my beliefs prisoners should work and yes grow their own food and even more. They should be given possibilties of studying and healthy conditions to live in. But they shouldnt be allowed to just sit around in jail and learn new criminal tactics

[Ravenous]

Yeah make the prisoners work, they just scrounge off the tax payer.

[Phantom]

yes because as we know all homeless people are lazy bums, that do not want to get jobs. None of them could actually lose their jobs and be forced to live on the street because their so called families turned their back on them, Nooo that can never happen.Thats why we have a thing called WELFARE. I dont know where you live but where I live its physicly imposible not to own a house, the gov will give you anything you need by taking moeny from people who accualy work.

[redcar]

Thats why we have a thing called WELFARE. I dont know where you live but where I live its physicly imposible not to own a house, the gov will give you anything you need by taking moeny from people who accualy work.
seriously do you actually believe its that easy? to get help and move off the streets its very hard.

[Dante]

Thats why we have a thing called WELFARE. I dont know where you live but where I live its physicly imposible not to own a house, the gov will give you anything you need by taking money from people who accualy work.

Where do you live anyway? I have lived in NYC where I have seen Homeless people all over. Some of them are liars and they make so much money in a day and then they go home to their mansions in connecticut. Now, there are others who have no where to go because the government and society have turned their backs on them.

[mRojas2000]

Exactly... some are just lazy people who doesnt like to work... others, almost as much as lazy people are really poor people who doeant have a house where to live in.

[Hyper]

]-;104322']Alright...i was off of here but still browsing
and i saw this load of shit and had to comment on it.

Sure, there is a thing called WELFARE.
But do you know what its like to live on it?

Where I live the government doesnt give enough to live on. beats the point huh?

While I understand that SOME people abuse the welfare system because their lazy, thats not the case for ALL people.

Take my parents for example. They DID work for YEARS. Because they didn't want to live on welfare, they worked themselves to the point of physical exhaustion. My mom left school at 16 and worked until she was 40. Sometimes she might have not worked but 20 hours a week, but other times (most times) she worked 16 hours a day. Two full time jobs - because she didn't want her family to live on welfare. And my dad, much the same way. But, working close to 100 hours a week for so long eventually wears your body down. Now, with both of my parents it's all they can do to get out of bed in the morning. Now, both of my parents are disabled. My dad is an alcoholic and has seizures on a regular basis, and my mom has advanced COPD and heart disease. So what choice do we have left? I'm not of regular working age yet, so oops, I guess that's out the window. Yea?

Know what your talking about before you comment. If you've ever spent any time in your life living paycheck to paycheck, or on welfare, you wouldn't think the way you are now. And I agree with Alex, it may look easy to move off the street but I figure that it isn't. In order to get a house, you have to be able to show an address and phone number where the landlord can contact you, you have to have $ to make first month's rent, last month's, deposit, etc, plus the deposit needed to have the utilites turned on. Those are just a few of the challenges.

So, unless you know what it's like, don't act like you do. Honestly.

Thank you for posting that

[mRojas2000]

]-;104322']Alright...i was off of here but still browsing
and i saw this load of shit and had to comment on it.

Sure, there is a thing called WELFARE.
But do you know what its like to live on it?

Where I live the government doesnt give enough to live on. beats the point huh?

While I understand that SOME people abuse the welfare system because their lazy, thats not the case for ALL people.

Take my parents for example. They DID work for YEARS. Because they didn't want to live on welfare, they worked themselves to the point of physical exhaustion. My mom left school at 16 and worked until she was 40. Sometimes she might have not worked but 20 hours a week, but other times (most times) she worked 16 hours a day. Two full time jobs - because she didn't want her family to live on welfare. And my dad, much the same way. But, working close to 100 hours a week for so long eventually wears your body down. Now, with both of my parents it's all they can do to get out of bed in the morning. Now, both of my parents are disabled. My dad is an alcoholic and has seizures on a regular basis, and my mom has advanced COPD and heart disease. So what choice do we have left? I'm not of regular working age yet, so oops, I guess that's out the window. Yea?

Know what your talking about before you comment. If you've ever spent any time in your life living paycheck to paycheck, or on welfare, you wouldn't think the way you are now. And I agree with Alex, it may look easy to move off the street but I figure that it isn't. In order to get a house, you have to be able to show an address and phone number where the landlord can contact you, you have to have $ to make first month's rent, last month's, deposit, etc, plus the deposit needed to have the utilites turned on. Those are just a few of the challenges.

So, unless you know what it's like, don't act like you do. Honestly.


your parent had to rock (exept for that disabled part), to be able to do that... my mom was almost the same, but she didnt exploit herself working... she tryed to be with us, having a part-time job with her own company, which was pretty cool, because she would like organize parties (children parties) and stuff... was cool for a bit... anyways im going too much off topic....


i agree with you...




Thank you for posting that

I know right :razz:

[Phantom]

]-;104322']Alright...i was off of here but still browsing
and i saw this load of and had to comment on it.

Sure, there is a thing called WELFARE.
But do you know what its like to live on it?

Where I live the government doesnt give enough to live on. beats the point huh?

While I understand that SOME people abuse the welfare system because their lazy, thats not the case for ALL people.

Take my parents for example. They DID work for YEARS. Because they didn't want to live on welfare, they worked themselves to the point of physical exhaustion. My mom left school at 16 and worked until she was 40. Sometimes she might have not worked but 20 hours a week, but other times (most times) she worked 16 hours a day. Two full time jobs - because she didn't want her family to live on welfare. And my dad, much the same way. But, working close to 100 hours a week for so long eventually wears your body down. Now, with both of my parents it's all they can do to get out of bed in the morning. Now, both of my parents are disabled. My dad is an alcoholic and has seizures on a regular basis, and my mom has advanced COPD and heart disease. So what choice do we have left? I'm not of regular working age yet, so oops, I guess that's out the window. Yea?

Know what your talking about before you comment. If you've ever spent any time in your life living paycheck to paycheck, or on welfare, you wouldn't think the way you are now. And I agree with Alex, it may look easy to move off the street but I figure that it isn't. In order to get a house, you have to be able to show an address and phone number where the landlord can contact you, you have to have $ to make first month's rent, last month's, deposit, etc, plus the deposit needed to have the utilites turned on. Those are just a few of the challenges.

So, unless you know what it's like, don't act like you do. Honestly.Yeah where you come from. I respect your parents for what they went through. I NEVER said that everyone who gets welfare is a bum I just said that some of them are which you seem to aggre with. I said where I come from MN its imposible to not own a house because the gov will give one to you. So before you come out puting words in my mouth LEARN TO READ!

[TheWizard]

You learn to read.

First lesson: THIS IS ANOTHER WARNING!!

[Bobby]

Not everyone has the opportunity to learn how to read. He can obviously read if he's on a forum. That was disrespectful, and very arrogant of you. I live in an area where there are some very rich people, and some people who are in the sorrow of poverty. Not everyone can go to school. Not everyone has a chance.

[Dante]

these "homeless" people you speak of are lazy bums that dont work. I garrentee you that those idiots holding will work for food signs live in a nicer house than you. A study was done that shows you can make up to 200 dollars a day holding up those signs and getting people sympathy. The goverment gives these people everything they need, thats why they arent . Dont be so easly manipulated.

Yeah where you come from. I respect your parents for what they went through. I NEVER said that everyone who gets welfare is a bum I just said that some of them are which you seem to aggre with. I said where I come from MN its imposible to not own a house because the gov will give one to you. So before you come out puting words in my mouth LEARN TO READ!


you never indicated some. You made it seem like the people who are on the streets and that have noone and are alone..are lazy bums

So dont tell people learn how to read, when you in fact never made clear what you meant.

[Phantom]

you never indicated some. You made it seem like the people who are on the streets and that have noone and are alone..are lazy bums

So dont tell people learn how to read, when you in fact never made clear what you meant.Well I am sorry people cant comprehend my sentences

[Dante]

~sigh~ I believe what you originally just posted was

"Well I am sorry people cant read the word "SOME"

then u realized that what u wrote never included the word "some"and u changed it to us not being able to comprehend your sentences.

[Phantom]

~sigh~ I believe what you originally just posted was

"Well I am sorry people cant read the word "SOME"

then u realized that what u wrote never included the word "some"and u changed it to us not being able to comprehend your sentences.And where did I say ALL people that are on welfare are bums. O thats right I did'nt.
I said that those idiots that stand on street corners are bums which we both know they are. Then some idiot comes along, "MY PARENTS ARE ON WELFARE AND THEY ARE'NT BUMS!!!!11" Well to bad I never said that

[Dante]

And where did I say ALL people that are on welfare are bums. O thats right I did'nt.
I said that those idiots that stand on street corners are bums which we both know they are. Then some idiot comes along, "MY PARENTS ARE ON WELFARE AND THEY ARE'NT BUMS!!!!11" Well to bad I never said that

No, you didnt say ALL and you didnt say SOME, but when u refer to people who have nothing more than a blanket and a piece of box to sleep in who cant even get a meal...Lazy Bums...it shows you as a person who doesnt sympathize with people who are less fortunate than him, that only says mean and dispariging things

[Phantom]

No, you didnt say ALL and you didnt say SOME, but when u refer to people who have nothing more than a blanket and a piece of box to sleep in who cant even get a meal...Lazy Bums...it shows you as a person who doesnt sympathize with people who are less fortunate than him, that only says mean and dispariging thingsThis is why I said MY STATE!!!
In my state if you dont have a home for whatever reason gov gives you a place to live. No food you say they will give you food stamps. You would have to be nieve to think that everybody you see on the street is "homeless" thats why we have welfare. Does the term welfare mean anything to you. Do you have any idea how much taxes YOU have to pay to give welfare to all these people. It is not impossible to GET A JOB either thats why we have MINIMUM WAGE.
This is america not a 3rd world country we dont have citys full of starving people, it even says in our constitution, we support the common welfare. If you are having a hard time for whatever reason you can get some welfare. I hope you know that ALOT of people live of welfare so saying that you cant live off it is just false. I garrentee you that in america there is no people that have just a blanket and a box to sleep in with no meals thats just stupid. If these so called "homeless" people cant get welfare than how the f*ck can all these people live off it!

[Dante]

you do know that the money the government gives you isnt a lot and is considered below the poverty line. Have you even met anyone on welfare?

[Phantom]

you do know that the money the government gives you isnt a lot and is considered below the poverty line. Have you even met anyone on welfare?It is not below the poverty line. The moeny we give out would be considered rich in other countrys.

Yes I have

[Dante]

but, thats the thing, we aren't talking about other countries...we are talking about the United states.

[TheWizard]

Everyone deserves food, medical care, clothes, and a home. America is rich enough to take care of ALL its people.

BTW, many homeless people are mentally ill and need extra help to even come close to a normal life. Most can't work because of their mental illness.

[Phantom]

Everyone deserves food, medical care, clothes, and a home. America is rich enough to take care of ALL its people.

BTW, many homeless people are mentally ill and need extra help to even come close to a normal life. Most can't work because of their mental illness.Did I say that we shouldnt give out welfare? If you have a mental disease more welfare for you, and free mental care.
I am all for welfare just not for lazy people that mooch.
I hope you do know that moeny has to come from somewhere and that place is your taxes. This is why I dont like welfare for lazy people because they mooch, I think new programs need to be put in place to make sure that people that need it get it and dont mooch and people that dont need it dont get it.

[cmpcmp]

Phantom, are you trying to say that there aren't any truely homelsss ppl out there, that don't get welfare? many homless ppl have mental problems that prevent them from working, others just got unlucky, Welfare alone isn't enough to buy you a house (depending on where you live, but definitly nothing to be proud of) It is true that many ppl feed off of the welfare system, but it is also true that there are ppl that should be on it that aren't, and that some ppl are too proud to be on it.

For what ever reason, there ARE truely homeless ppl that deserve our support, There are also ppl that are simply lazy bumz, but to try and generalize all of these ppl together as all lazy bums that could easily get a job but choose not to, is IMO, an iresponsible generalization and mischaracterization of vast amounts of ppl.

In order to NOT have ppl that just feed off of the system we shouldn't allow ppl to live off of it indefinitely for no good reason. but, some welfare should be premited for every one who at that point needs it, cuz ppl do truely get unlucky some times. There should also be someway that mentaly handicaped (or just generaly un able, NOT unwilling) ppl can live off of the streets also.

[Phantom]

Phantom, are you trying to say that there aren't any truely homelsss ppl out there, that don't get welfare? many homless ppl have mental problems that prevent them from working, others just got unlucky, Welfare alone isn't enough to buy you a house (depending on where you live, but definitly nothing to be proud of) It is true that many ppl feed off of the welfare system, but it is also true that there are ppl that should be on it that aren't, and that some ppl are too proud to be on it.

For what ever reason, there ARE truely homeless ppl that deserve our support, There are also ppl that are simply lazy bumz, but to try and generalize all of these ppl together as all lazy bums that could easily get a job but choose not to, is IMO, an iresponsible generalization and mischaracterization of vast amounts of ppl.

In order to NOT have ppl that just feed off of the system we shouldn't allow ppl to live off of it indefinitely for no good reason. but, some welfare should be premited for every one who at that point needs it, cuz ppl do truely get unlucky some times. There should also be someway that mentaly handicaped (or just generaly un able, NOT unwilling) ppl can live off of the streets also.GRRRR, I JUST F*CKING SAID ALMOST THE EXACT SAME THING YOU JUST DID!!! I dont generalize I JUST FING SAID THAT SOME PEOPLE DESERVE IT WHILE OTHERS DONT!!! I also addresed the mental problem thing.
Welfare is enough to live off of. No you cant go out and buy 400,000 dollar house but you can live just fine

[Dante]

to even suggest that people who are on welfare live just fine is absurd

[Phantom]

to even suggest that people who are on welfare live just fine is absurdIs that so

[Dante]

yes, when the gov't isnt providing a lot of money for a person to have at least the minimal of a decent living. Then there is a problem

[Phantom]

yes, when the gov't isnt providing a lot of money for a person to have at least the minimal of a decent living. Then there is a problemOk then if welfare is SOOOOO hard to live off of if that why do SOOOOOOOO many people do it.

[Dante]

because its better than nothing. Anyone would take little income, than no income. But i think that the governent could and should provide more for adequate living

[Phantom]

because its better than nothing. Anyone would take little income, than no income. But i think that the governent could and should provide more for adequate livingDude if the gov didnt provide enough moeny for wellfare wouldnt the people taking it be dead? I have got to find the charts for the percent of americans on welfare and their standard of living.

[cmpcmp]

because its better than nothing. Anyone would take little income, than no income. But i think that the governent could and should provide more for adequate living
I think this is only true in some cases. If the person is on welfare, then they should have a GOOD reason for it. Such as...
-Its their first time in ..... so long on it, they got unlucky (there should be a time restriciton to prevent freeloading)
-they are disabled, and can't work, or are severly limited in their working abilities. (Ie. ppl in wheelchairs aren't readily able to get minimumwage jobs in many cases. Or a severly retarded person that is truthfully unable to maintain a job)

the point is there shuld be a system, but the system should take a good amount of care to not support freeloaders. Ppl that need it should get it, the others shouldn't it's that simple.

[Phantom]

I think this is only true in some cases. If the person is on welfare, then they should have a GOOD reason for it. Such as...
-Its their first time in ..... so long on it, they got unlucky (there should be a time restriciton to prevent freeloading)
-they are disabled, and can't work, or are severly limited in their working abilities. (Ie. ppl in wheelchairs aren't readily able to get minimumwage jobs in many cases. Or a severly retarded person that is truthfully unable to maintain a job)

the point is there shuld be a system, but the system should take a good amount of care to not support freeloaders. Ppl that need it should get it, the others shouldn't it's that simple.This is about what I said exept in better words:) I agree

[Dante]

they def. should have a good reason. I am not for giving away government money, if you are just sitting on your ass. But what people need to realize is there are so many people out there who needs it.

[Phantom]

they def. should have a good reason. I am not for giving away government money, if you are just sitting on your ass. But what people need to realize is there are so many people out there who needs it. That is what I am saying

[cmpcmp]

I think this problem was created by a generalization that was taken to literaly (i think it was writen to literlay but... I don't know what was origionaly ment.). anyways if u wana debate welfare (with no relation to prisons) make a welfare thread please.

[TheWizard]

What does welfare have to do with prisons? Please try to stay on subject.

[*Dissident*]

There seems to be no moral issue with this. The least they can do, if they are in prison, is do some work. The only problems i can see with this is keeping them in the field, or tampering with the food. Maybe somehow this will lead to prison colonies, where prisons can be self sufficient, but i dont agree with that, because that could lead to security issues and integration problems. Maybe if we let minor offenders/ non-violent criminals be able to work, but the harsh guys, like rapists and murderers... i dont know if they can be let out into such an open area. Another problem that comes up is land usage. how much land does it take to grow enough food to support a supermax prison? probably a lot. It may end up costing us more than we think it will save us.

[0=]

The only reason we can't pay for them is because we're arresting people and putting them in prison for smoking pot.

[*Dissident*]

welfare is an entirly different subject than prison growing their own food. if you would like to discuss welfare, discuss it in a welfare thread.

[cmpcmp]

The only reason we can't pay for them is because we're arresting people and putting them in prison for smoking pot.
Just because something sends ppl to jail often doesn't mean it's a bod law, ppl don't have to smoke pot, and they don't need it.

with that said i think it should be legalized and state or federaly grown. but an indpth discussion needs another thread (which has already happened).

Joke:
-Why was every one so suprised when steve (the dell computers old spokes person) was busted with posesion of marijuana?
-Cuz every one knows that pot is a Gateway drug!!!!