Quayle: Obama Worst President Ever

[Antares]

P4jiqYcUoOk

At first I thought this was a joke...then when I looked at the username, I realized it was legit.

What kind of dope is this guy smoking???

Anyways,

Resolved: Obama the worst president in history and is screwing up the country as we know it

[Raptor22]

Agreed.

On that note, I wonder if this kid can spell Potato...

[Perseus]

Agreed.

On that note, I wonder if this kid can spell Potato...

How is Obama the worst president ever? There were some worsts, and I can't think of their names' so I'll just throw out Andrew Jackson. :P

[huginnmuninn]

How is Obama the worst president ever? There were some worsts, and I can't think of their names' so I'll just throw out Andrew Jackson. :P

andrew jackson was a great president and obama might not be the worst president he isnt a very good one

[Amnesiac]

Obama is the most average president I've ever seen. He's not our lord and savior, and he's not a communist nazi, if such a thing were even possible.

What happened to my thread about this?

[deadpie]

Obama isn't that bad of a president, but he isn't good either. It's obvious Obama isn't the worst because Richard Nixon really takes that spot with his scandal.

And this Ben Quayle guy might be cool to have guts and say this shit, but you have to admit, that guy probably won't get a job in the congress with that attitude. Then again, I don't know much about politics.

[Azunite]

First of all, why the hell Obama got Nobel Peace prize? Literally, he did nothing then!
People will say " Becasue he is a president and he is black", but Obama was elected to people who elected Obama should have nobel prize.
Anyway, the highest position a man can achieve is to be a president in a country and Obama emerged from a slave descent ( I mean all black people in the beggining ) and became a president.
Well I dont live america so I wont make comments, but I never hear Obama does anything from news. Idk...

[Amnesiac]

First of all, why the hell Obama got Nobel Peace prize? Literally, he did nothing then!
People will say " Becasue he is a president and he is black", but Obama was elected to people who elected Obama should have nobel prize.
Anyway, the highest position a man can achieve is to be a president in a country and Obama emerged from a slave descent ( I mean all black people in the beggining ) and became a president.
Well I dont live america so I wont make comments, but I never hear Obama does anything from news. Idk...

He's not as much of a forgien policy president as Bush was, that's why he isn't making international news.

I REALLY don't think he deserved the Nobel Peace Prize one bit, he escalated the War on Terror by dumping over 9000 troops in Afghanistan. Very disappointing.

[Raptor22]

He's not as much of a forgien policy president as Bush was, that's why he isn't making international news.

I REALLY don't think he deserved the Nobel Peace Prize one bit, he escalated the War on Terror by dumping over 9000 troops in Afghanistan. Very disappointing.

Well, in a way that was a peaceful action because it will prevent future terror attacks from originating in that country, and pushing for peaceful democracies in two middle east nations. :)

However this is exactly what Bush did, and it was Bush that began to scale back the troops in Iraq in late 2008, not Obama like he likes to take credit for...

If anyone deserves it its Bush for deposing a violent dictator responsible for 750,000 deaths and replacing him with a succeeding democracy. If thats not peacemaking, I dont know what is...

Leaving now wouldnt create peace, it would create more conflict in the power struggle and Civil War that would ensue. If the Taliban win that powerstruggle, they will return to harboring terror bases just like they did before 9/11, and launching attacks like 9/11 from the country. All the US men and women would have lost their lives for nothing and the US would still be in danger. Lets prevent that danger by sending over people that volunteered, signed up to fight, for the cause. Every single man and woman over there, wants to be over there, because they signed the papers. If you arent interested in fighting for your country, dont sign up, its that simple. The US hasnt had an active draft for nearly 40 years...

[Perseus]

andrew jackson was a great president and obama might not be the worst president he isnt a very good one

I can't think of the president's name I'm thinking off, and he just popped in my head as a scapegoat. :P

[Raptor22]

I can't think of the president's name I'm thinking off, and he just popped in my head as a scapegoat. :P

Andrew Johnson was pretty horrible, Harding was a dud, Carter was horrible...

Nixon was actually a decent president with his scaling down of Vietnam and the opening of the Peoples Republic of China to western diplomacy.

[Perseus]

Andrew Johnson was pretty horrible, Harding was a dud, Carter was horrible...

Nixon was actually a decent president with his scaling down of Vietnam and the opening of the Peoples Republic of China to western diplomacy.

It might be Andrew Johnson...; I just can't think what he did that would be considered terrible.

[Raptor22]

It might be Andrew Johnson...; I just can't think what he did that would be considered terrible.

He completely screwed over all of the reconstruction efforts that Abraham Lincoln had initiated before he was assassinated. He basically set up the basis for 100 years of Jim Crow in the south...

[Perseus]

He completely screwed over all of the reconstruction efforts that Abraham Lincoln had initiated before he was assassinated. He basically set up the basis for 100 years of Jim Crow in the south...

I know there's a president that basically said "fuck you" to the Native Americans, and I could have sworn it was Andrew Jackson.

[deadpie]

It might be Andrew Johnson...; I just can't think what he did that would be considered terrible.

Opposed the fourteenth amendment.

Oh, Jim Crow law. That's another one shit thing he did.

He was a prejudice bag of dog shit on a stick.

[Raptor22]

I know there's a president that basically said "fuck you" to the Native Americans, and I could have sworn it was Andrew Jackson.

Yes, Jackson wasnt too nice for the indians however I wrote an essay (I got an A on it) last year that Jackson was a good president. Based on my research, he didnt really undestand what was happening to the Indians, its kind of worked its way down and got worse at every level, I dont think that he knew that they were being marched over three states in such cruel conditions...

Opposed the fourteenth amendment.

Oh, Jim Crow law. That's another one shit thing he did.

He was a prejudice bag of dog shit on a stick.

Yes. :)

To be fair though the Jim Crow wasnt really legal until 1896 and Plessy v. Ferguson establishing "separate but equal" laws....

[Dorsum Oppel]

Obama isn't that bad of a president, but he isn't good either. It's obvious Obama isn't the worst because Richard Nixon really takes that spot with his scandal.

And this Ben Quayle guy might be cool to have guts and say this shit, but you have to admit, that guy probably won't get a job in the congress with that attitude. Then again, I don't know much about politics.

*coughandrewjacksontrailoftearscough*

[Amnesiac]

Well, in a way that was a peaceful action because it will prevent future terror attacks from originating in that country, and pushing for peaceful democracies in two middle east nations. :)

However this is exactly what Bush did, and it was Bush that began to scale back the troops in Iraq in late 2008, not Obama like he likes to take credit for...

If anyone deserves it its Bush for deposing a violent dictator responsible for 750,000 deaths and replacing him with a succeeding democracy. If thats not peacemaking, I dont know what is...

Leaving now wouldnt create peace, it would create more conflict in the power struggle and Civil War that would ensue. If the Taliban win that powerstruggle, they will return to harboring terror bases just like they did before 9/11, and launching attacks like 9/11 from the country. All the US men and women would have lost their lives for nothing and the US would still be in danger. Lets prevent that danger by sending over people that volunteered, signed up to fight, for the cause. Every single man and woman over there, wants to be over there, because they signed the papers. If you arent interested in fighting for your country, dont sign up, its that simple. The US hasnt had an active draft for nearly 40 years...

It's not a succeeding democracy, the Iraqi government is BARELY fit to govern. I'm amazed it's actually holding up to the job. I don't expect that to last long, though.

Launching an all-out war on two nations that had nothing to do with 9/11 is not worthy of a peace prize. No war-starting leader is eligible for a peace prize. Yes, Iraq had an evil, disgusting government. So do the governments of North Korea, Cuba and Iran. Does that mean we should invade them and "democratize" their nations? We're not the world's police, the United States should go back to its policy of isolationism from the pre-WWII days. It was better for everyone.

It is arguably impossible to defeat terrorism. Terrorists are isolated in groups across the world, working outside of governments. They're small and hard to get. There's no point in waging war and destroying lives just to hunt down one terrorist group out of thousands internationally. It's best to just increase domestic security and provide peacekeeping forces to terror-stricken regions.

[deadpie]

*coughandrewjacksontrailoftearscough*

Oh yeah. That guy was an asshole to people that were in america before the Americans and forced them to move to get some fucking gold and shit. That guy deserved a golden metal shoved up his righteous ass.

[Perseus]

Oh yeah. That guy was an asshole to people that were in america before the Americans and forced them to move to get some fucking gold and shit. That guy deserved a golden metal shoved up his righteous ass.

Haha! I was right about Andrew Jackson.

[Atonement]

Obama may not be doing much himself, but quite honestly, Congress as a whole is a dud right now. Nothing is getting done because the politicians are just working for their own political gain to screw over the other party. I think we need a third party to get something done.

[Amnesiac]

Obama may not be doing much himself, but quite honestly, Congress as a whole is a dud right now. Nothing is getting done because the politicians are just working for their own political gain to screw over the other party. I think we need a third party to get something done.

That's why I support the Green Party, the most successful third party, even though I believe they take some positions just to feed on disappointed Democrats and Republicans.

[Suicune]

Obama's not bad. He's not great either. I know! Let's bring FDR and John Kennedy back from the dead! >_>

[Raptor22]

That's why I support the Green Party, the most successful third party, even though I believe they take some positions just to feed on disappointed Democrats and Republicans.

Why? :P

What about the Libertarian party?

[Amnesiac]

Why? :P

What about the Libertarian party?

Because the Green party is more accustomed to my views, especially on things like separation of church and state and the environment. I don't like their economic policies much, but overall they're better than most of the other parties.

I wouldn't mind having a Libertarian president, though.

[Antares]

I think he is making international news.
People outside of the US really like Obama.
He is a great, personable guy.
I think he is the best president since Clinton (but that didn't take much effort considering the idiot in between the two).

Nixon is a president that I really don't like though. Up there with Reagan for me

[Raptor22]

I think he is making international news.
People outside of the US really like Obama.
He is a great, personable guy.
I think he is the best president since Clinton (but that didn't take much effort considering the idiot in between the two).

Nixon is a president that I really don't like though. Up there with Reagan for me

What did Reagan do that you dont like?

The only reason the international community likes Obama is because he is a doormat to the international community, he has no balls, and hence they can walk all over him when they please...

[Antares]

What did Reagan do that you dont like?

The only reason the international community likes Obama is because he is a doormat to the international community, he has no balls, and hence they can walk all over him when they please...

I didn't like the whole Reaganomics thing and I think it is vastly overrated. I think its funny he was an actor. Iran-Contra affair. And a few other things that are more debatable. Overall, I dont think he was this great awesome president.

And who exactly is walking all over us?
In my opinion, I think that he is doing splendidly internationally mostly because he is staying out of everyone else's business (considering Bush's reign). He is focusing on the issues at hand which is predominately domestic which is what he should be doing.

Just because he isn't "having balls" and trying to threaten other countries to do what we want them to do, doesn't mean he isn't effective in foreign policy.
The best thing he is doing is not pissing anyone off and focusing on the issues at home because that should always be the governments first priority.

[danielf123]

It's not a succeeding democracy, the Iraqi government is BARELY fit to govern. I'm amazed it's actually holding up to the job. I don't expect that to last long, though.

Launching an all-out war on two nations that had nothing to do with 9/11 is not worthy of a peace prize. No war-starting leader is eligible for a peace prize. Yes, Iraq had an evil, disgusting government. So do the governments of North Korea, Cuba and Iran. Does that mean we should invade them and "democratize" their nations? We're not the world's police, the United States should go back to its policy of isolationism from the pre-WWII days. It was better for everyone.

It is arguably impossible to defeat terrorism. Terrorists are isolated in groups across the world, working outside of governments. They're small and hard to get. There's no point in waging war and destroying lives just to hunt down one terrorist group out of thousands internationally. It's best to just increase domestic security and provide peacekeeping forces to terror-stricken regions.

honestly
if America would have never fucking played World Police
we probably wouldnt even be in this situation to begin with
and it is pretty much impossible to stop terrorism
we have foreign terrorists
Domestic terrorists
and its argueable that our own government act as terrorists to US citizens

even if we could stomp out all foreign terrorism, what about domestic terrorists? what about the campaign the government has started where all they talk about is how people are out to get us? isnt that basicly psychological terrorism? The government has its own citizens scared, were told we need to be in Iraq and Afghanistan to be safe, so of course people vote to stay. The government is basicly psychologically terrorising us by telling us lies or exagerating truths to scare us to protect their own intrests.

I am truely amazed at how fast the US has came up as a World Power. But then again, all that goes up must come down. Many World Powers we have today took many hundrads of years to become World Powers and there still going as such. But doesnt anyone think that the US came up way too fast? its only been some 200yrs+ and were one of the most powerful. Rome took much longer than that to become the power it became and look how hard they fell? Is it wrong to belive that the US came up way too fast so it will go down just as fast? The bigger they are, the harder they fall, and the US is pretty big in terms of power and influence, so it will fall very hard as well. All empires must come to an end evetually. Maybe its our time. Who knows.

But honestly, if we fall now, i can understand why. The US tried playing World Police, it got in everyones business, many times not even asked to get involved, but does so to protect its own intrests or gain something politicians want. We consume most of the worlds resources because many americans feel entitled to such things simply because they live in the US but are angered if immigrants come here looking for a better life. Sort of hypocritcal when you think about it. Were going around trying to make the world better for everyone else by "fixing" there countrys when in reality, we cause alot of harm and sometimes the ends do not justify the means. If anything, we need to turn our attentionto ourselves and fix this country and focus on ourselves not the rest of the world.

Terrorists want no Western Influence, they want to preserve their way of life.
Who are we to say they cant do so? They attack us because we threaten their way of life, we say to them their way is wrong, but what makes our way right over theirs? opinons. thats what.
Its the struggle all people have always had to face, preserving their way of life. And our way of life is precious to us, whatever it may be, so of course we will defend it to the end but American Government seems to have decided that our way of life is best for everyone and has decided to try and shove it down the throats of other countries. We did this with Korea, Russia, Vietnam, etc...We have no business there. If we didnt play World Police, the world wouldnt hate us as much

[Icarus7]

bush (2) is the worst... he even receive a shoe at his face ( almost) :P... what other us president have received that "gift"?:D

[Amnesiac]

bush (2) is the worst... he even receive a shoe at his face ( almost) :P... what other us president have received that "gift"?:D

Well, there are presidents that have been shot...

[huginnmuninn]

Well, there are presidents that have been shot...

they were usually shot because they were important

[Amnesiac]

they were usually shot because they were important

Some presidents, such as Kennedy, were shot by people who didn't like them.

Presidents don't get shot at because they're important, they get shot at because they're the top political people. Assassinations are attempted because the assassin wants to make a political point.

[Raptor22]

they were usually shot because they were important

How so? Lincoln wasnt unimportant, Kennedy wasnt unimportant, Reagan wasnt unimportant...

I dont see where you are basing this argument from. The only other president that was shot (and killed) was James Garfield, who was fairly important in economic politics during his administration...

Some presidents, such as Kennedy, were shot by people who didn't like them.

Presidents don't get shot at because they're important, they get shot at because they're the top political people. Assassinations are attempted because the assassin wants to make a political point.

Agreed. Or is just insane like John Hinckley...

[TheFame]

Obamas useless. Solved!

[The Dark Lord]

they were usually shot because they were important

No, they aren't. They are shot for political views and decisions

[Raptor22]

No, they aren't. They are shot for political views and decisions

Not necessarily... John Hinckley had no political motivations at all and he still shot the president....

[ivanori]

Not the worst.. but Obama definitely doesn't fight against corporations, and lets them run the country instead. Making it easy to steal from the poor and the rich and give it all to the extremely rich.

[Raptor22]

Not the worst.. but Obama definitely doesn't fight against corporations, and lets them run the country instead. Making it easy to steal from the poor and the rich and give it all to the extremely rich.

Oh jesus christ.... :P

Who do you think employs people in this country?

[Joey15]

Not the worst in history but he is pretty bad and a huge socalist

[The Dark Lord]

Not the worst in history but he is pretty bad and a huge socalist

Obama is certainly not a socalist, there is no such thing as a socalist American leader. Even in Britain there are few socialist politicians and we are much more left wing

Obamas useless. Solved!

who said the art of debating was dead?

[Perseus]

Not the worst in history but he is pretty bad and a huge socalist

Explain his socialism.

[Amnesiac]

Not the worst in history but he is pretty bad and a huge socalist

Hell, the Australian Labor Party is more "socialist" than Obama, and they're still pretty conservative on many issues, especially social ones.

Besides, leaning to the left doesn't make someone a bad president automatically.

[pageplant77]

I don't know why people say Obama is the "worst president ever". There are plenty of presidents that were worse. Like Bush (both Sr. and Jr.) Nixon, and LBJ, to name a few...

Besides Obama inherited Bush's mistakes, like the war and the economy. So it's not like America would have been an easy fix after Bush. People out there expect change over night when the truth is, change takes a long time to happen. People need to acknowledge that and accept it.

[ivanori]

Oh jesus christ.... :P

Who do you think employs people in this country?

If there weren't giant corporations then small businesses would employ those people. Unless you want Companies like Wal-Mart hiring everyone then corporations are bad that way as well.

[Sith Lord 13]

If there weren't giant corporations then small businesses would employ those people. Unless you want Companies like Wal-Mart hiring everyone then corporations are bad that way as well.

Small businesses could never generate the same number of jobs and product development would suffer, as only big corporations have the money to put into research.

[Amnesiac]

Small businesses could never generate the same number of jobs and product development would suffer, as only big corporations have the money to put into research.

Indeed, plus whether or not the economy could handle such a massive saturation of small business is questionable.

[DarkHorses]

I think I can probably guarantee that if Obama wasn't black he would not be president. I think that half the people who voted for him did it because they wanted a black man to be president. And I think a lot of the people who are still in favor of him back him up because they're black, or because he's black.

It would be interesting to see if Obama would have won the election if he was white. I bet a lot of people would be surprised.

[Amnesiac]

I think I can probably guarantee that if Obama wasn't black he would not be president. I think that half the people who voted for him did it because they wanted a black man to be president. And I think a lot of the people who are still in favor of him back him up because they're black, or because he's black.

It would be interesting to see if Obama would have won the election if he was white. I bet a lot of people would be surprised.

I attribute his victory to:

1. Sarah Palin
2. A swing over Bush's second term towards the Democrats

It's a VERY big stretch saying that "half" of all people who voted for Obama did it because he's black. Why didn't people vote for Hillary because she's a woman? Women make up 50% of the population, more than blacks.

[Perseus]

I think I can probably guarantee that if Obama wasn't black he would not be president. I think that half the people who voted for him did it because they wanted a black man to be president. And I think a lot of the people who are still in favor of him back him up because they're black, or because he's black.

It would be interesting to see if Obama would have won the election if he was white. I bet a lot of people would be surprised.
Black people account for thirteen percent of the population, so that has no affect. And the whole Sarah Palin thing was just a stupid move on McCain's part.

[pageplant77]

I think I can probably guarantee that if Obama wasn't black he would not be president. I think that half the people who voted for him did it because they wanted a black man to be president. And I think a lot of the people who are still in favor of him back him up because they're black, or because he's black.

It would be interesting to see if Obama would have won the election if he was white. I bet a lot of people would be surprised.

Well, I think that a huge reason why Obama ran for president, is that America would quickly forget about Bush. And when you think about it, it did.

[ivanori]

Small businesses could never generate the same number of jobs and product development would suffer, as only big corporations have the money to put into research.

Well, small businesses here in Alaska hire about 6-8 people on average according Alaska Studies textbook, so I doubt it would suffer too greatly. And perhaps it would be positive for product development to suffer and have the prices slightly increase. According to the Story of Stuff Project in the past three decades we have consumed 1/3 of the world natural resources, in the U.S. we have less than 4% of our original forests left, 40% of the waterways have become undrinkable, we have 5% of the worlds population but we're using 30% of the worlds resources and also creating 30% of the worlds waste, if everyone consumed at U.S. rates we would need 3-5 more planets but we've only got one, 75% of global fisheries are fished at or beyond capacity, 80% of the worlds original forests are gone, in the Amazon alone we're losing 2,000 trees a minute (that is equal to 7 football fields a minute). I think less product development would be positive, even if the prices rise because then people would be more careful with their belongings and not so careless.
I am also against large corporations because of the health issues they cause to their workers in their third world factories.. There are countless people of reproductive age working with carcinogens (directly causes cancer), toxic chemicals, and more. The people who work in these factories are almost forced to choose between starvation or to work in these terrible factories.

Some other corporation factory facts:
-There are over 100,000 synthetic chemicals used in commerce today and only a handful of them have been tested for health impacts and none have been tested for synergistic health impacts (when the chemicals interact with other chemicals we are exposed to everyday).
-Some pillows are doused with B.F.R.'s (Brominated Flame Retardants) which is extremely unhealthy toxin; it's a neurotoxin (toxic to the brain). We breath this in for many hours every night so that our heads don't catch fire.
-The food at the top of the food chain with the highest level of toxic contaminants is breast milk because of everything we put into our bodies.
-Globally 200,000 people a day are moving from environments which have sustained them for generations to cities to find work. Even if that job exposes them to toxic chemicals and more.
-In the U.S. we admit to dispose of 4,000,000,000 pounds of pollution a year (that is only what we admit, surely there is more)
-Products are created to not last long so we have to buy more and keep buying from the corporations
-Each person in the U.S. makes an average of 4.5 pounds of trash a day that's twice of what it was 30 years ago. A lot of trash is thrown in incinerators (to dispose of) where it mixes with other toxic chemicals to create some of the most extreme toxic chemicals ever such as Dioxin (the most toxic man made substance known to man) and is then thrown into landfills.
-Recycling is good but at our consumption and disposal rates it will never be enough.
-For every one garbage can of waste we put out on the curb 70 garbage cans of waste were made in factories to make the junk you're disposing of.
-1% of things flowing through the consumption cycle are still in use 6 or more months after sale.

This is why I hate corporations, they cause half of this, and keep us the consumer oblivious to what we are supporting.

Sorry for any spelling errors. I have been attending school about 13 hours a day and it is currently about midnight.. I am very tired.

[Sith Lord 13]

Black people account for thirteen percent of the population, so that has no affect. And the whole Sarah Palin thing was just a stupid move on McCain's part.

White guilt may also have played a role, so that 13% statistic isn't very meaningful.

Well, small businesses here in Alaska hire about 6-8 people on average according Alaska Studies textbook, so I doubt it would suffer too greatly. *snip*

This is off topic. You want to discuss it, make a fresh thread.

[ivanori]

White guilt may also have played a role, so that 13% statistic isn't very meaningful.



This is off topic. You want to discuss it, make a fresh thread.

It is completely related. I said I didn't think Obama was a good president because he just did what corporations said, and then was later told that corporations were something positive. I disagreed in Obama's following of corporations so posted reasons why I dislike them.

I understand why you would believe this. But I was merely posting something about milk in a cookie thread. It wasn't too off topic.

[Perseus]

White guilt may also have played a role, so that 13% statistic isn't very meaningful.





I don't think so... People vote for him for his policies; I didn't see any white guilt going on down here.

[BossHogg]

P4jiqYcUoOk

At first I thought this was a joke...then when I looked at the username, I realized it was legit.

What kind of dope is this guy smoking???

Anyways,

Resolved: Obama the worst president in history and is screwing up the country as we know it

So your tell me that its OBAMA's fault that our country went from a surplus to one of the worst ressions in our countries history. Get out of here with that you know good and well that even if McCain was president the economy would still get worst... Bush messed up our eeconomy and how was Obama suppose to undo EVERYTHING Bush messed in 4 years when it took Bush 8 years to screw us up!!! so I dont want to here people say he is the worst president ever because i want you to try to get our economy back to where Clinton had it.......ok then I didnt think so!

[Commander Thor]

So your tell me that its OBAMA's fault that our country went from a surplus to one of the worst ressions in our countries history. Get out of here with that you know good and well that even if McCain was president the economy would still get worst... Bush messed up our eeconomy and how was Obama suppose to undo EVERYTHING Bush messed in 4 years when it took Bush 8 years to screw us up!!! so I dont want to here people say he is the worst president ever because i want you to try to get our economy back to where Clinton had it.......ok then I didnt think so!

This is from 2010 man.
Try to keep it to threads that are a bit more recent, alright? :)

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