Should that Mosque be by Ground Zero?

[[[chickaroo92]]]

I believe that it was totally wrong for the Mosque in New York to be built near ground Zero. Not only because a Mosque is an Islam Sanctuary, but because its immoral. 9/11. Does anyone remember on 9/11? The twin towers collapsed, millions and millions of people lost their lives, and now a few years after all of this, a Mosque is allowed to be built? Am I the only one who thinks this is crazy?!

I believe that NO type of Religious Sanctuary should be built near, on, or under, etc, the land of Ground Zero. That includes Churches, Synagogues, etc. The ONLY thing that should be built there is either a Memorial or statue briefly showing what once happened there,to remind people that never again this type of thing should happen.

Your thoughts, please. Remember: I am NOT against any religion, but I AM against having this Mosque in this special area.

[ShatteredWings]

Why are people upset that it's a mosque? Are we implying that ALL muslims are terrorists?
We don't assume all christans are insane bigots because of WBC
We don't assume all catholics are against any form of science because of things the pope says
We don't assume all jews are crazy abut the military because of what's going on in isreal

That being said, I feel any religious monument there is inappropriate, or anything really.
Leave the rubble as a reminder of what happened, and a physical mark of what CAN happen.
Maybe we'll learn from our own history this time.

If we need a monument, let's do something like what was done for vietnam, something in a public space to be a reminder.

But leave what was left behind, it in itself is a memorial.

[[[chickaroo92]]]

Why are people upset that it's a mosque? Are we implying that ALL muslims are terrorists?
We don't assume all christans are insane bigots because of WBC
We don't assume all catholics are against any form of science because of things the pope says
We don't assume all jews are crazy abut the military because of what's going on in isreal

That being said, I feel any religious monument there is inappropriate.
Leave the rubble as a reminder of what happened, and a physical mark of what CAN happen.
Maybe we'll learn from our own history this time.

];986645']I believe that NO type of Religious Sanctuary should be built near, on, or under, etc, the land of Ground Zero. That includes Churches, Synagogues,etc.

There, and I totally agree. Believe me, I am in no way in shape or form upset about it, because of Arabs, I am upset about it because it's wrong. And there are people out there who do not appreciate it, and I bet you that lots of New Yorkers ain't too keen on this permanent idea. If any other Religion, rather it be someone Jewish or Catholic were to decide, okay, I am gonna build this Church/ Synagogue right there Ground Zero, then I would still be against it, even though I am personally Jewish. NO RELIGIOUS SANCTUARIES. NO PROBLEMS. END. OF. STORY. But of course all we need in life is a bit of the ole' controversy.

[ShatteredWings]

The first rant was about the general "people bitching about this." It's stereotyping, even if society accepts it as "valid concern"

[Perseus]

It's being built a block away. It's not insulting. It's not being built on the freaking debris and rubble. Geeze.

[Azunite]

Why ? Religious place over ground zero be a bad idea? People will go there and pray that no such thing will happen again or they will pray that may people who died in twin towers find peace.
I think you may be against Islam and you wouldn't open this topic if a church would be built there

[Sith Lord 13]

It's not so much that it's a mosque as the fact that it may be being funded with money from terrorist organizations.

[Azunite]

What was funded by terrorist organisatins ?

[Amnesiac]

What was funded by terrorist organisatins ?

I find it hard to believe this mosque would be funded by terrorist organizations.

Building a mosque ANYWHERE in the United States would stir up disgusting controversy. Placing it in Manhattan, the site of the 9/11 attacks, makes the opposition even more idiotic. This mosque, when constructed, should stand as a symbol of religious tolerance and understanding. We can't linger over 9/11 forever, we have to move on and remember that not all Muslims are plotting to fly planes into skyscrapers.

[Azunite]

Think about this : Why should terrorists only attack America now ?

[Amnesiac]

Think about this : Why should terrorists only attack America now ?

Terrorists aren't bound by alliances or international treaties. They can attack without having to worry about full-scale wars affecting them, because they're so secretive and isolated.

Nations can't attack each other because they're bound by treaties and they can't hide.

[Azunite]

I mean, all terrorists activity is at America ( apart from Kurds in Turkey ) and still some people say america feeds terrorists, but I dont believe this of course

[Antares]

First off, if this ground is so sacred, why in the hell are they building another cash cow directly ! on top of it?

I think its all bullshit.

If someone wants to build a mosque, as long as the mosque isn't disturbing, an eye-sore, or in some other way attracts attention, I don't see the issue.

If they wanted to build a cathedral, then no one would have a problem with that.
When it turns into a mosque, something that happens to be the worship place of the antagonizers in the incident, its a problem.

Who cares!
Agh, if they built a memorial there, then I can see more why its a problem, but when they are building a brand new tower with little regard for the thousands of people that died there, I say build the mosque.

[CaptainObvious]

];986645']I believe that it was totally wrong for the Mosque in New York to be built near ground Zero. Not only because a Mosque is an Islam Sanctuary, but because its immoral. 9/11. Does anyone remember on 9/11? The twin towers collapsed, millions and millions of people lost their lives, and now a few years after all of this, a Mosque is allowed to be built? Am I the only one who thinks this is crazy?!

I believe that NO type of Religious Sanctuary should be built near, on, or under, etc, the land of Ground Zero. That includes Churches, Synagogues, etc. The ONLY thing that should be built there is either a Memorial or statue briefly showing what once happened there,to remind people that never again this type of thing should happen.

Your thoughts, please. Remember: I am NOT against any religion, but I AM against having this Mosque in this special area.

I don't see why you'd object unless you really think Ground Zero ought to have a big "atheist only" zone around it. If you think that, then fine, but that doesn't make any sense to me.

It's not so much that it's a mosque as the fact that it was funded with money from terrorist organizations.

Prove that assertion. You have just accused people of crimes, substantiate them.

[Amnesiac]

First off, if this ground is so sacred, why in the hell are they building another cash cow directly ! on top of it?

I think its all bullshit.

If someone wants to build a mosque, as long as the mosque isn't disturbing, an eye-sore, or in some other way attracts attention, I don't see the issue.

If they wanted to build a cathedral, then no one would have a problem with that.
When it turns into a mosque, something that happens to be the worship place of the antagonizers in the incident, its a problem.

Who cares!
Agh, if they built a memorial there, then I can see more why its a problem, but when they are building a brand new tower with little regard for the thousands of people that died there, I say build the mosque.

I agree, it would've been more appropriate to build a memorial park or something on the land. There's nothing inappropriate about building a mosque in NYC, I don't think they were even considering how close it will be to Ground Zero, there probably isn't any other land available for them.

I mean, all terrorists activity is at America ( apart from Kurds in Turkey ) and still some people say america feeds terrorists, but I dont believe this of course

I wouldn't say all terrorist activity is IN america, but it's DIRECTED at America because the United States is the nation screwing the middle east. The U.S. doesn't "feed" terrorists, if the U.S. did and said nothing terrorists would still hate them nonetheless.

[Perseus]

There's another video that is better, but I can't find it, so this should suffice. (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-august-10-2010/municipal-land-use-update---ground-zero-mosque)

[Amnesiac]

There's another video that is better, but I can't find it, so this should suffice. (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-august-10-2010/municipal-land-use-update---ground-zero-mosque)

This video must be shown to everyone who opposes the mosque, like Sarah Palin.

Ultimate pwnage.

[huginnmuninn]

There's another video that is better, but I can't find it, so this should suffice. (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-august-10-2010/municipal-land-use-update---ground-zero-mosque)

the guy in the video gonna get assassinated by the terrorists!

[Sith Lord 13]

Prove that assertion. You have just accused people of crimes, substantiate them.

It was a news piece, either ABC or NY1, I can't recall. I don't have immediate access, and atm cba to go looking for it. I'm sure you can find it if you dig through their websites.

[Perseus]

Fox News... Fox News... (http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/343735/august-12-2010/the-word---weapon-of-mass-construction)

[maestro15]

Yes. it should it wont affect anything. If it was a terrorist group building near ground zero, that would be a problem.

[Continuum]

Oh please, I agree with most of the people here. I will thank them for building something worthwhile once in a while; at least they spirited away from the noise of Manhattan and built something silent for the soul. And, America won't look like the fascist nation it used to look like and give the people their right to freely choose.

[Atonement]

So, we should bar a place of worship from a specific place in NYC because of a small group of radicals that countless leading Muslim figures have denied and openly condemned for their actions. Welcome to a double standard of America.

First Amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

[Disco Jones]

There is already a mosque four blocks away from Ground Zero, and it predates the World Trade Center.

[Magus]

I find it hard to believe this mosque would be funded by terrorist organizations.

Building a mosque ANYWHERE in the United States would stir up disgusting controversy. Placing it in Manhattan, the site of the 9/11 attacks, makes the opposition even more idiotic. This mosque, when constructed, should stand as a symbol of religious tolerance and understanding. We can't linger over 9/11 forever, we have to move on and remember that not all Muslims are plotting to fly planes into skyscrapers.

There; anything else?

[Whisper]

to me, thats like building a synagogue in mecca
I think the western world has become a little to tolerant of traditional Muslim beliefs and practices

[Magus]

to me, thats like building a synagogue in mecca
I think the western world has become a little to tolerant of traditional Muslim beliefs and practices

Um... Mecca is a spot for pilgrimage. I had no idea that New York is a spot of pilgrimage too.

I think the western world is becoming a little too intolerant to traditional Muslim's belief and practices with each passing day, unfortunately.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00638/news-graphics-2007-_638863a.jpg
http://palestinethinktank.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/capte05c416a77a442c4adb49eb1f2b1f7e2belgium_anti_islam_protest_vm106.jpg

[Azunite]

You know, there are numerous churches and synagouges in Turkey, why america and europe shouldn't have mosques?
You people are not human...

[Magus]

You know, there are numerous churches and synagouges in Turkey, why america and europe shouldn't have mosques?
You people are not human...

Turkey is one of the few countries that has a long history of religious harmony and tolerance. Unfortunately, it is not like that in America or any place near the Atlantic.

[Suicune]

They can build one there if they want. It's the people's discretion on whether or not they want to use it and/or put up with the biases of the people who oppose it.

[Perseus]

For those of you who haven't watched the videos on my links, it's more than a mosque. It's a community center for Muslims. It's a building being renovated. There's one four blocks away from Ground Zero, but you don't see those dumbass Republicans like Sarah Palin flippin' their shit because, one they probably don't know, and two, because it's been there for over forty years.

[Sith Lord 13]

For those of you who haven't watched the videos on my links, it's more than a mosque. It's a community center for Muslims. It's a building being renovated. There's one four blocks away from Ground Zero, but you don't see those dumbass Republicans like Sarah Palin flippin' their shit because, one they probably don't know, and two, because it's been there for over forty years.

And three it's probably not being funded by terrorist organizations.

[Azunite]

So, is it something bad for a Muslim communtiy center to be built ?
If this topic continues on like this, I may think there are few Nazis here ( I dont care, give bad rep if you want )

[CaptainObvious]

So, we should bar a place of worship from a specific place in NYC because of a small group of radicals that countless leading Muslim figures have denied and openly condemned for their actions. Welcome to a double standard of America.

First Amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

While I agree with you, you should remember that "establishment of religion" means that no government can set up an official church.

And three it's probably not being funded by terrorist organizations.

Look if you want to keep claiming this, go find some evidence. Saying "I saw it on some news story" doesn't cut it. I looked, and have seen nothing to substantiate the accusation. So let's see some evidence.

[Sith Lord 13]

So, is it something bad for a Muslim communtiy center to be built ?
If this topic continues on like this, I may think there are few Nazis here ( I dont care, give bad rep if you want )

Godwin's law.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a Nazi. Calling someone here a Nazi just belittles the events leading up to and during WWII.

[Perseus]

So, is it something bad for a Muslim communtiy center to be built ?
If this topic continues on like this, I may think there are few Nazis here ( I dont care, give bad rep if you want )

I never said it was bad.

[Amnesiac]

If the government intervened in the construction of the mosque a court case could easily be made out of it.

Free exercise of religion. It's a basic part of the First Amendment, people.

[Azunite]

Okay, today on newspapers it said under the article about Obama having the Ramazan meal, that Mosque will be built two blocks away from GZ and %68 of people were against it.
But then it also said that there was a striptease club and a sex shop only one block away.
So that sex shop is no problem but when it is a mosque people say " That ground is sacred etc.."

[CairAndros]

I think that the idea of building a mosque is a good idea.
All the better if it is a community center.

Look at it this way, and I do not mean this in a disrespectful way, terrorist organisations like Al-Qaeda are recruiting from disaffected muslim youths to join the ranks of the many muslims already fighting for their cause. This community center and mosque would be making sure that the youths are being told the proper teachings of their faith and make sure that the false messages Al-Qaeda put out are ignored and thus less chance of terrorist attacks taking place.

Surely that must be a good thing?

[Azunite]

So I thought yesterday, "Why all terrorists are from Arabia?"
Then I thought the main idea is education. Arabian peninsular lacks youth education, that's why 12 year olds throw stones and 18 year olds become terrorists:, if they are lucky they are given a weapon, if they are not lucky they will be given a bomb to blow themselves up.
If only America brought education INSTEAD of ... "democracy"

[Amnesiac]

So I thought yesterday, "Why all terrorists are from Arabia?"
Then I thought the main idea is education. Arabian peninsular lacks youth education, that's why 12 year olds throw stones and 18 year olds become terrorists:, if they are lucky they are given a weapon, if they are not lucky they will be given a bomb to blow themselves up.
If only America brought education INSTEAD of ... "democracy"

Not all terrorists are from Arabia. There are terrorists in Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Thailand, the UK, and even here in the United States.

However, education may play a part in it. However, I would say that, even with a mandatory public school system, the failing students would divert to terrorism anyway. The instability of the region plays a part as well.

[Azunite]

Yeah, terrorist masters offer money to parents who sacrifice their children to become a terrorist ( that's what I heard )

[Perseus]

So I thought yesterday, "Why all terrorists are from Arabia?"
Then I thought the main idea is education. Arabian peninsular lacks youth education, that's why 12 year olds throw stones and 18 year olds become terrorists:, if they are lucky they are given a weapon, if they are not lucky they will be given a bomb to blow themselves up.
If only America brought education INSTEAD of ... "democracy"

You can't bring education if there is a war there. Civilians would get killed trying to teach children.

[Rainstorm]

Is it going to be promoting terrorism by teaching a religion that many people have openly spoke against terrorist actions?
Is it going to be an eyesore?
Is it going to attempt an overthrow the government?

Then what's the problem?

[Azunite]

what I mean is America just brought more destruction to Middle East and everyone knows america's plan: To draw a bow line: starting from Iraq, he will draw a circle and will conquer agfhanistan, turkmenistan, then kazakhstan and then turkey.
If america and other people complain about this, then they can build schools around the world. COme on people, even Angelina Jolie and Nicole Kidman are more helpful than America.
@Mike, completely agreed

[Perseus]

what I mean is America just brought more destruction to Middle East and everyone knows america's plan: To draw a bow line: starting from Iraq, he will draw a circle and will conquer agfhanistan, turkmenistan, then kazakhstan and then turkey.
If america and other people complain about this, then they can build schools around the world. COme on people, even Angelina Jolie and Nicole Kidman are more helpful than America.
@Mike, completely agreed

Why would America conquer Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and Turkey? There are no reasons to.

[Patchy]

Yes it was extremist muslims that caused 9/11 however that doesn't mean all muslims are terrorists thats like saying all Jewish people agreed with the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

I have the deepest sympathy for what happened to America on 9/11 however life goes on, New York has to keep on going as it would, you have ground zero as a memorial, there not exactly building on it.

[Azunite]

Perseus, because Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan have lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of oil and gas, and Turkey is the second most powerul military power plus it has more than %60 of world's borax mineral, the most expensive thing it will become in the future

[Sith Lord 13]

Perseus, because Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan have lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of oil and gas, and Turkey is the second most powerul military power plus it has more than %60 of world's borax mineral, the most expensive thing it will become in the future


1) The US doesn't start wars over natural resources. It may contribute, but it won't go to war unless there's a better reason, such as the offending country funding terrorism, genocide, or pursuing WMDs.

2) There are large supplies of borax in the southwest US.

3) Turkey is not the world's second most powerful military power. It does not even have atomic weaponry.The US, China, and Great Britain all easily outclass it, and that's just off the top of my head.

[Azunite]

Believe me, TUrkey has the most Borax. You can google it, I assure you. However, the reason you may think like that is because US takes and steals our borax and prevents us from mining our OWN borax.
And yes, Turkey is the second most powerful. I am not talking about the numbers, if I did, of course England, CHina AND Indıa would easily outclass us.
We are the second most powerful force in NATO, means we are the second most powerful military force

[Sith Lord 13]

Believe me, TUrkey has the most Borax. You can google it, I assure you. However, the reason you may think like that is because US takes and steals our borax and prevents us from mining our OWN borax.
And yes, Turkey is the second most powerful. I am not talking about the numbers, if I did, of course England, CHina AND Indıa would easily outclass us.
We are the second most powerful force in NATO, means we are the second most powerful military force

Can we get some proof on these claims?

[Azunite]

Can you stop being lazy and make researches?

http://borelement.blogspot.com/, shows that Turkey provides %35 and america provides only %29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey
If you look under the military article, you can see TUrkey is the second most powerful military force in NATO.

And there are Turkish articles about Turkey made a contract with America which prevents us from using Borax and let America suck all borax in Turkey, but that just ended recently.

Any further questions green Yoda ?

[CairAndros]

Turkey may be the second most powerful military force in NATO but make no mistake about it - it is not in the top 3 nor 5 military powers in the world(in terms of Active Military Personnel - not including reserves or paramilitary forces).

If I remember correctly it goes something like;
• China
• USA
• India
• Russia
• N.Korea

[Sith Lord 13]

Can you stop being lazy and make researches?

You make the claims, you back them up.

http://borelement.blogspot.com/, shows that Turkey provides %35 and america provides only %29

I wasn't contesting they produced more than the US, I merely stated the US had it's own supplies. What I'm more interested in, and a cursory search found nothing (though that may be because I'm pushing 24 hours w/o sleep and being oblivious), so if you could enlighten me I'd appreciate it, is what exactly it's used in making that makes it so valuable, It has several uses I find, but none for which there are not other things to use. Certainly none of the uses my search turned up would be worth starting a war over.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey
If you look under the military article, you can see TUrkey is the second most powerful military force in NATO.

Big difference between second largest standing armed forces in NATO and second strongest armed forces in the world.

And there are Turkish articles about Turkey made a contract with America which prevents us from using Borax and let America suck all borax in Turkey, but that just ended recently.

Goggled minimally, found nothing, so sources? I'm kinda curious about the circumstances surrounding this. (I believe you that it happened, just wanna know more about it.)

Any further questions green Yoda ?

Nope, think that covers it for now. :)

[CaptainObvious]

Can we get some proof on these claims?

Ha! Hi pot, meet kettle. You have still not provided a single piece of substantiating evidence for your claim that this mosque is funded by terrorists. To demand others provide proof for their claims here when you refuse to do so yourself is more than a little hypocritical.

[Sith Lord 13]

Ha! Hi pot, meet kettle. You have still not provided a single piece of substantiating evidence for your claim that this mosque is funded by terrorists. To demand others provide proof for their claims here when you refuse to do so yourself is more than a little hypocritical.

Mea culpa. I forgot.

Here: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ground-zero-mosque-funding-sponsors-landmark/2010/08/05/id/366712

This is less strongly worded than the segment I had seen on the news, so I'll be going back to edit my original post accordingly.

[Continuum]

Big difference between second largest standing armed forces in NATO and second strongest armed forces in the world.


You know, US still beats Turkey out of numbers. Significantly actually. But still, diplomats would try everything to keep tensions down between the US and turkey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_military

And China has waaaay more troops, fit for zerging the US :D

[MattHolyman41]

It is absolutely stupid to argue about this mosque! No matter what religion those terrorists had... they could have been christians! You should know that RELIGION DID NOT DESTROY THE WTC!!! OMG... those guys destroyed the Twins. No religion. Its their fault... and they don't give a damn right now because they're dead...
And then what about the muslim people killed in 9/11 attacks... Yes there are victims of this catastrophe that had islam as their religion. Is that their fault too???

Islam itself is a religion like any other it has its own faults, but there will always be radical members like Taliban... or crazy christian anti-gay protesters. People who let the religion screw their brains!!

[CairAndros]

Good point well made Matt - if we look at it in a fully historical sense(not just modern) then the some called civilized christians committed untold horrors upon the peoples of Islam in the Crusades. So if we are to persecute all of Islam over a small group of extremists would it not therefore be the case that the peoples of Islam should persecute all Christians because of the actions of a few villainous crusaders?

In all of this we should take a leaf out of Islam's book. If you look, again through history, then the peoples of Islam have been the most religiously tolerant.

As a race we should be above squabbling over religion. It is a personal choice as to which religion you follow and just because certain areas of the globe follow different religions is that a reason to persecute or go to war etc with them. It can be likened to everyone who buys a black car persecuting everyone who purchases a red car or a motorbike.

[Azunite]

Haha, numbers are nothing, 70 million of Turks in Turkey will fight when there is war, but other nation's men will usually flee the country and women will care about their fashion.
How quickly people have forgotten the lesson we gave in Turkish war of Independence.
BTW Wikipedia's turkish military numbers are wrong because it doesn't include the Gendarme, the countryside guards and City guards who are all armed with military weapons.
People have a lot of reason to make Muslims and Turkey bad, good think Pakis still adore Turks.

This topic is off from the real subject, concentrate on the mosque by ground zero. Military case is closed.

And Matt finally someone who is reasonable!

[Perseus]

Haha, numbers are nothing, 70 million of Turks in Turkey will fight when there is war, but other nation's men will usually flee the country and women will care about their fashion.
How quickly people have forgotten the lesson we gave in Turkish war of Independence.
BTW Wikipedia's turkish military numbers are wrong because it doesn't include the Gendarme, the countryside guards and City guards who are all armed with military weapons.
People have a lot of reason to make Muslims and Turkey bad, good think Pakis still adore Turks.

This topic is off from the real subject, concentrate on the mosque by ground zero. Military case is closed.

And Matt finally someone who is reasonable!

China has 1.6 billion people, so numbers do matter. And the U.S. has no reason to declare war on any of the former Soviet Union countries or Turkey.

[Azunite]

Yeah I mean besides China. You will need at least two countries to fight china lol. And bullets wont be enough for 1.6 billion :D

[CaptainObvious]

Mea culpa. I forgot.

Here: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ground-zero-mosque-funding-sponsors-landmark/2010/08/05/id/366712

This is less strongly worded than the segment I had seen on the news, so I'll be going back to edit my original post accordingly.

Thanks for at least responding, lots of people would just ignore. :P

That said, this all depresses me. Both that such transparent bigotry continues to exist and attempts to have itself taken seriously, and that apparently it works on some people, given that you're buying it.

The whole article is basically a series of repeated statements like this:

"If this project were what it was represented to be, which is an exercise in building bridges and a more ecumenical kind of Islam, then there shouldn't be any shroud whatsoever over who is behind it," Andrew C. McCarthy, the former assistant U.S. attorney who prosecuted Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, and author of "The Grand Jihad," tells Newsmax. "The fact that there is an obvious reluctance about saying who is behind it would lead a rational person to think it isn't what it's represented to be."

"It's a house of worship, but we are at war with al-Qaida," King told The Associated Press last month. "I think the 9/11 families have a right to know where the funding comes from. I think there are significant questions."

And this is just bigotry. There is absolutely no good reason to think that a Muslim establishment would be linked to terrorist finance when one would not think a similar thing about a Christian or Jewish place of worship. For this argument to make sense, one must argue that a Muslim is significantly more likely, a priori, to be a terrorist. That is bigoted. While it is probably true that at the moment, Muslims are overrepresented among terrorists, the reverse does not at all follow on a large scale.

So do you have any other good reason for raising the prospect of terrorist financing other than what is more or less just bigotry?

[Sith Lord 13]

Yes, and that's the fact that they've refused to disclose their benefactors. I think that there are certain considerations that should be made when you're dealing with sensitive issues, such as 9/11, and they fact that they're not seeking to do everything they possibly can to make the situation easier raises my suspicions. Honestly, I don't see why they would want to build there in the first place. If you don't agree with those extremists, wouldn't you want to do everything possible to distance yourself from them? Including not be near the scene of an attack from them? I find it odd that they would want to be near it. Certainly odd enough to raise suspicions and merit an investigation of their finances. In a situation like this I feel it is better to air on the side of caution, and have the situation investigated. If it really is free of any funding from extremist groups, then I still feel it's insensitive, though there would be no legal grounds to stop it.

[CaptainObvious]

Yes, and that's the fact that they've refused to disclose their benefactors. I think that there are certain considerations that should be made when you're dealing with sensitive issues, such as 9/11, and they fact that they're not seeking to do everything they possibly can to make the situation easier raises my suspicions. Honestly, I don't see why they would want to build there in the first place. If you don't agree with those extremists, wouldn't you want to do everything possible to distance yourself from them? Including not be near the scene of an attack from them? I find it odd that they would want to be near it. Certainly odd enough to raise suspicions and merit an investigation of their finances. In a situation like this I feel it is better to air on the side of caution, and have the situation investigated. If it really is free of any funding from extremist groups, then I still feel it's insensitive, though there would be no legal grounds to stop it.

I think your point of view on this reflects underlying bigotry against Islam inculcated by 9/11 - or something else, I couldn't tell you. I've bolded a couple of lines that I think illustrate it best. No, neither of those things raise my suspicions. Why not? Let me turn it around: Why would they? You have not given a single good reason so far that we ought to oppose this community center that is not somehow implicitly tied to your inherent suspicion of Islam.

Lots of religious groups keep their donor lists quiet for a variety of reasons including donor privacy concerns, so that kills that objection. Any reason to single this place out for speculation that its privacy concerns might be based on terrorist financing are a clearly bigoted statement linking Islam and terrorism. You'd never say such a thing about a Christian church who wanted to keep its financing quiet. And the backers of the center have already stated that they appreciate the symbolism of an Islamic community center promoting peace near the site of such a great religion-related atrocity. All your objections are basically nebulous worries clearly sourced from preexisting underlying issues with Islam.

Plus, there's already been a mosque in the immediate area forever. How you can find this more objectionable, I can't imagine. Lower Manhattan has not all of a sudden become some Islam-free temple, that would be precisely against the spirit that founded America. I support the existence of this center on the basis that it embodies exactly the principles that make America great.

[Azunite]

Sith Lord is thinking a little bit,, "Templar-ic"

[huginnmuninn]

theres no question that they have the right to do it and i think it would help bring an understanding between islam and our country but since the benefactors names arent being told it is a little suspicious

[Azunite]

A lot of american citizens only think that Mosque will break the sacredness of Ground Zero, they don't know that there is a striptease club and a sex shop right next to GZ ( ı thİnk I already told you that lol )

[The Dark Lord]

Obama must be determinded to lose his Presidency. This is the most sensitive issue in America's history and, as ever, Obama is misreading the situation. Even Hillary wouldn't save him now

[Amnesiac]

Obama must be determinded to lose his Presidency. This is the most sensitive issue in America's history and, as ever, Obama is misreading the situation. Even Hillary wouldn't save him now

This isn't a sensitive issue, and it's definitely not the most sensitive issue in the HISTORY of the United States. He's, for once, being the voice of reason and supporting the construction of this mosque. There's almost no reason to be against it.

1. There's another mosque four blocks away from Ground Zero
2. Ground Zero is surrounded by Middle Eastern food vendors
3. If Ground Zero is so "sacred", why are we building another tower on it instead of making it a memorial park?
4. We have to get over it eventually

[Azunite]

,They are building another building over ground zero ?

[Amnesiac]

,They are building another building over ground zero ?

Yes, the "Freedom Tower" as it was once called. It's just going to be another skyscraper complex in a few years.

[Azunite]

That is soooouuuuuuuuu stupiiiddddddd

[Taylorxbox]

NO, NO, NO

I havent heard much about it, and I dont even live close to it, so I dont care. But IF I did, I would say NO

[Perseus]

NO, NO, NO

I havent heard much about it, and I dont even live close to it, so I dont care. But IF I did, I would say NO

Why? What's wrong with building a building TWO BLOCKS away. The concept of Islam is peace. Not all Muslims are terrorists. The majority are not. Hurr durr.

[Azunite]

The problem is Arabs, there are no Turkish terrorists, or Malaysian terrorists.

[Perseus]

Faster, faster to the light. (http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-august-19-2010-jennifer-aniston)

[Magus]

Why? What's wrong with building a building TWO BLOCKS away. The concept of Islam is peace. Not all Muslims are terrorists. The majority are not. Hurr durr.

There is no such thing as Majority or Minority. There are Factions and Groups. These factions and groups are branded as terrorist. Some of them are already predefined as terrorist, like Taliban and Al-Qaeda. Some of them are just separatist and "liberating" factions, like Hammas and Jund-Allah, but they are also branded as terrorist.

There are the other smaller groups. Other than, there aren't.

In Saud Arabia, there are Extremist. But they do not arm themselves with Klashnikov and buckling themselves with dynamites and enchanting "Allah Akbar". :yes:

Thanks Mr.media(including the WWW), you've ruined nothing(!).

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The concept of Islam is not Peace, bear that in mind. Gee. A lot of Misconceptions swirling around these days, unfortunately.

[Azunite]

That daily show video is not available here, can someone tell me what does it contain ?

[Joey15]

I am not against any religion but I am against building it becuase it will put anger in were it is not needed

[Amnesiac]

I am not against any religion but I am against building it becuase it will put anger in were it is not needed

No, people are becoming angry over nothing. Blame them, not the honest people who want to build the community center.

Face it: they're going to build it. They've gotten permission, they have the money. There's nothing anyone can do about it except bitch and whine for the next couple of months until this blows over. Just like the oil spill, I don't see that much in the news anymore >_>

[CanYouSeeMe]

Of course.

Hilary Clinton said that sure, they're legally allowed to build that Mosque, but should they?

Well, yes, Hilary.

You can't legally stop someone from obeying the law :P

Islam didn't bring down the WTC. Extermist factions angry at America and resorting to terrorism brought down the WTC.

[Azunite]

As I said, if Extremeists were even Buddhists they would still attack GZ