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Perseus
August 4th, 2010, 04:52 PM
SAN FRANCISCO — In a major victory for gay rights advocates, a federal judge on Wednesday struck down a California ban on same-sex marriage.
In a landmark case that could eventually reach the U.S. Supreme Court, Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker ruled that the voter-approved ban, known as Proposition 8, violates due process and equal-protection rights under the U.S. Constitution. He said that "moral disapproval" alone is not a basis to deny rights to gays and lesbians.

"Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license," Walker wrote in the conclusion of the 136-page opinion.

His ruling came in response to a lawsuit brought by two same-sex couples and the city of San Francisco seeking to invalidate the law as an unlawful infringement on the civil rights of gay men and lesbians.
Outside the federal courthouse in San Francisco, a cheer went up among a group of about 70 same-sex marriage supporters carrying small U.S. flags, as a large rainbow-striped flag — the symbol of the gay rights movement — waved overhead.

California Attorney General Edmund G. Brown Jr. praised the decision. "In striking down Proposition 8, Judge Walker came to the same conclusion I did when I declined to defend it: Proposition 8 violates the equal protection guarantee of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution by taking away the right of same-sex couples to marry, without a sufficient governmental interest."

Opponents of same-sex marriage derided the ruling.
South Carolina Republican Sen. James Demint called the decision "another attempt to impose a secular immorality on the American people who keep voting to preserve traditional marriage."
"Traditional marriage has been the foundation of civil society for centuries and we cannot simply toss it aside to fit the political whims of liberal activists with gavels," Demint said.

Prop 8, which outlawed gay marriages in California five months after the state Supreme Court legalized them, passed with 52 percent of the vote in November 2008 following the most expensive campaign on a social issue in U.S. history.

Both sides previously said an appeal was certain if Walker did not rule in their favor. The case would go first to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, then the Supreme Court if the high court justices agree to review it.
Walker heard 13 days of testimony and arguments since January during the first trial in federal court to examine if states can prohibit gays from getting married.

The ruling puts Walker at the forefront of the gay marriage debate. The longtime federal judge was appointed by President Ronald Reagan.
The verdict was the second in a federal gay marriage case to come down in recent weeks. A federal judge in Massachusetts decided last month the state's legally married gay couples had been wrongly denied the federal financial benefits of marriage because of a law preventing the U.S. government from recognizing same-sex unions.

The plaintiffs in the California case presented 18 witnesses. Academic experts testified about topics ranging from the fitness of gay parents and religious views on homosexuality to the historical meaning of marriage and the political influence of the gay rights movement.

Former U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson delivered the closing argument for opponents of the ban. He told Judge Walker that tradition or fears of harm to heterosexual unions were legally insufficient grounds to discriminate against gay couples.

Olson teamed up with David Boies to argue the case, bringing together the two litigators best known for representing George W. Bush and Al Gore in the disputed 2000 election.

Defense lawyers called just two witnesses, claiming they did not need to present expert testimony because U.S. Supreme Court precedent was on their side. The attorneys also said gay marriage was an experiment with unknown social consequences that should be left to voters to accept or reject.

Former U.S. Justice Department lawyer Charles Cooper, who represented the religious and conservative groups that sponsored the ban, said cultures around the world, previous courts and Congress all accepted the "common sense belief that children do best when they are raised by their own mother and father."

In an unusual move, the original defendants, Brown, the state attorney general, and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, refused to support Proposition 8 in court.

That left the work of defending the law to Protect Marriage, the group that successfully sponsored the ballot measure that passed with 52 percent of the vote after the most expensive political campaign on a social issue in U.S. history.

Currently, same-sex couples can only legally wed in Massachusetts, Iowa, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire and Washington, D.C.

Source (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38560562/ns/us_news-life?GT1=43001)

Rainstorm
August 4th, 2010, 05:37 PM
I'm glad to see this :)

Now to only wait and see if it holds up.

NeverTooLate
August 4th, 2010, 05:56 PM
so happy ^_^, i hope it holds up tho :|

guacamole24
August 4th, 2010, 11:46 PM
Awesome.

CaliKid24
August 5th, 2010, 12:06 AM
Bout damn time. Took the judge long enough to decide the obvious. Let's see what the supreme court says.

Zephyr
August 5th, 2010, 02:59 AM
My sister and I discussed this just today, once a massively populated state like California does something, others are very likely to follow in their footsteps. We're glad, it's finally a step towards equality and a step towards not discriminating against who you love. Those who oppose will see in time that the law will hurt absolutely nobody. I hope Oregon legalizes it in the wake of Prop 8 getting overturned; My roommates/good friends have been together for almost 5 years, and I know that more than anything, they want to get married.

beedubs
August 5th, 2010, 12:05 PM
WOOT WOOT!! finaly were making a movement! i cant wait for what the future hold (hopefully good)

Jess
August 5th, 2010, 09:08 PM
finally.

Hopefully in the future all states will allow gay marriage

Church
August 7th, 2010, 05:45 PM
I miss old America, back when there were more Republicans.

Sage
August 7th, 2010, 07:52 PM
I miss old America, back when there were more Republicans.

I like new America, where people accept one another and overturn unconstitutional bullshit.

NeverTooLate
August 7th, 2010, 08:11 PM
I like new America, where people accept one another and overturn unconstitutional bullshit.

Agreed ^_^

Jess
August 8th, 2010, 12:11 PM
I like new America, where people accept one another and overturn unconstitutional bullshit.


I so agree with you!!!

Antares
August 8th, 2010, 12:27 PM
I miss old America, back when there were more Republicans.

Wow, what a douche bag comment considering the Republicans are the people that wrote this unconstitutional bullshit from the start.


I am for one glad its changed and hopefully other states can start following suit...

Perseus
August 8th, 2010, 12:57 PM
I miss old America, back when there were more Republicans.

I know I'm feeding the troll, but the judge is a Republican. :P

ackmedsgirl666
August 8th, 2010, 01:13 PM
finally some good in the world
now gay poeple can be happy together :)

Antares
August 8th, 2010, 08:29 PM
I know I'm feeding the troll, but the judge is a Republican. :P

Well he is gay himself and really not as conservative in my opinion.
Judges aren't as political party affiliated as other politicians

Church
August 9th, 2010, 08:29 PM
Its not a decision for the constitution, its decision of the states. So its not exactly unconstitutional, also where does the Constitution say gays can get married or any rules on marriage at all.

Jess
August 9th, 2010, 08:36 PM
exactly, there are no rules on marriage. so gay marriage should be allowed.

Church
August 9th, 2010, 08:48 PM
Well the Constitution doesn't have any rules bout it, states should be able to have them though, including no gay marriage.

[[chickaroo92]]
August 10th, 2010, 01:58 AM
Well the Constitution doesn't have any rules bout it, states should be able to have them though, including no gay marriage.


Well, if they are going to have a ruling stating, "Though shalt not have a wedding of two men or of two women" then they should ALSO have a rule saying no straight marriages. You can't deny peoples rights. People who are Gay, Lesbian, Transgendered, Bisexual, etc. should clearly receive the same rights and privileges that Straight people have.

I happen to be Conservative. Even I admit, some things should be changed, and this is a good start.

Jess
August 10th, 2010, 08:20 AM
Well the Constitution doesn't have any rules bout it, states should be able to have them though, including no gay marriage.

I agree with chickaroo

Gay people are human like straight people, they should receive the same rights

Perseus
August 10th, 2010, 03:22 PM
Well the Constitution doesn't have any rules bout it, states should be able to have them though, including no gay marriage.

I guess black people being able to marry should be up to the state's decision since it isn't in the constitution.

Antares
August 10th, 2010, 04:44 PM
Church...the church is really screwing with your mind if you can't realize that Prop 8, and all things similar is discriminatory and a violation of basic human and civil rights.