Death Penalty for Sex Crimes

[ShyGuyInChicago]

Is it appropriate to execute someone for committing a crime even when the victim does not lose their life?

[scuba steve]

I share my dads belief that rapists etc should be castrated but i suppose that's be against their human rights... oh well might as well execute him then.

[ShyGuyInChicago]

I share my dads belief that rapists etc should be castrated but i suppose that's be against their human rights... oh well might as well execute him then.

I have heard that castration won't work because rapists are motivated by violence not sexual urges. Even if they can't rape then they can use objects to sodomize their victims.

[scuba steve]

fella, if you where castrated after being commited of rape i reckon numbers would fall even if it was just a small percentage.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Is it appropriate to execute someone for committing a crime even when the victim does not lose their life?

No, thats barbaric.

[Amnesiac]

No, thats barbaric.

Yeah, the entire death penalty is outdated. Life in prison is a much heavier punishment anyway.

[scuba steve]

Yeah, the entire death penalty is outdated. Life in prison is a much heavier punishment anyway.

you mean 14-20 years then...

[huginnmuninn]

life in prison can turn into 20 years and then the rapists will be released because of lack of money. personally i think we might as well execute them rather than release them

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life in prison can turn into 20 years and then the rapists will be released because of lack of money. personally i think we might as well execute them rather than release them

Thats absurd.

[Rutherford The Brave]

life in prison can turn into 20 years and then the rapists will be released because of lack of money. personally i think we might as well execute them rather than release them

I think after twenty years of nothing but getting butt raped by a guy who calls you cupcake, would make any sex offender/rapists done with raping.

[Amnesiac]

you mean 14-20 years then...

Hell, that's still a very heavy punishment. A fourth of your life in an isolated room? Worse than death if you ask me.

life in prison can turn into 20 years and then the rapists will be released because of lack of money. personally i think we might as well execute them rather than release them

When we start putting funding above life itself, it's time to rethink everything.

That means legalizing drugs, ending the ridiculous number of prisoners we dump money on for such minor offenses, and ending the death penalty.

[huginnmuninn]

the death penalty isnt given very much and usually it takes a long time for the people with the death penalty to actually be executed.

[Rutherford The Brave]

the death penalty isnt given very much and usually it takes a long time for the people with the death penalty to actually be executed.

Thanks snapple cap. So basically your extending a sentence that is usually long to begin with. To the point where the criminal will be dead before he even gets killed by the state.

[huginnmuninn]

Thanks snapple cap. So basically your extending a sentence that is usually long to begin with. To the point where the criminal will be dead before he even gets killed by the state.

no if somebody gets a death penalty dont give them 30 years to sit in prison before they get executed give them 5 -10 years to build a case against them being executed and if they cant build a case by then,they arent going to

[Rutherford The Brave]

no if somebody gets a death penalty dont give them 30 years to sit in prison before they get executed give them 5 -10 years to build a case against them being executed and if they cant build a case by then,they arent going to

Your logic is abhorrid. This is taking a eye for an eye to just being a straight up murderer. It's almost like "ethnically cleansing" You're just condoning the killing of everyone who commits a sexual law...That would include alot of people.

[huginnmuninn]

i will condone killing people who knowingly rapes somebody

[Rutherford The Brave]

i will condone killing people who knowingly rapes somebody

So basically you want every teenager who has broken the Romeo and Juliet laws to die? That's alot of kids.

[Raptor22]

I think it depends, if its a violent sex crime against a minor younger than 12 then I agree with it.

There was a guy who kidnapped and raped a 5 year old repeatedly and then tried to kill her. I think he deserves the death penalty...

[Dorsum Oppel]

Yeah, the entire death penalty is outdated. Life in prison is a much heavier punishment anyway.

I don't care about pity grudges and ruining their lives as much as I care about the fact that running a prison is expensive.

[Amnesiac]

I don't care about pity grudges and ruining their lives as much as I care about the fact that running a prison is expensive.

Then you'd agree with me when I suggest that instead of executing everyone we legalize pot and end the war on drugs, tax it, get the minor offenders out of prison where they don't belong, AND abolish the death penalty.

[scuba steve]

Then you'd agree with me when I suggest that instead of executing everyone we legalize pot and end the war on drugs, tax it, get the minor offenders out of prison where they don't belong, AND abolish the death penalty.

This could probably work, although on Marijuana only as this is the one illegal drug that is actually safe and not destroying large parts of the earth. if you taxed it to hell people would still buy it and let this be a direct fund into the justice system... I kinda like that idea.

[huginnmuninn]

So basically you want every teenager who has broken the Romeo and Juliet laws to die? That's alot of kids.

when i say rape i mean when sex is forced upon the person.

[Jess]

no unless it was a very young child that was raped, I would want whoever did it to the child to die.

anyone that rapes someone like under 12 should die

My opinion

[Rutherford The Brave]

when i say rape i mean when sex is forced upon the person.

But Romeo and Juliet Laws are rape. You said anyone who rapes someone.

[Paladino]

I think the law should be what ever you do wrong, it should happen to you etc, if you murder, you should be executed, if you steal, you should be stolen from.

[Amnesiac]

This could probably work, although on Marijuana only as this is the one illegal drug that is actually safe and not destroying large parts of the earth. if you taxed it to hell people would still buy it and let this be a direct fund into the justice system... I kinda like that idea.

Exactly, the revenue taxed marijuana would bring to the U.S. government is in the billions, we could easily fix many problems with out judicial system by releasing the non-violent offenders and legalizing drugs, which would also effectively end our cartel problems on the border.

[Perseus]

no unless it was a very young child that was raped, I would want whoever did it to the child to die.

anyone that rapes someone like under 12 should die

My opinion

Uh..., why? Raping and killing are in two different boats.

Killing someone because they raped is absurd.

[huginnmuninn]

But Romeo and Juliet Laws are rape. You said anyone who rapes someone.

i also gave you my definition of rape and the romeo and juliet laws dont fall under my definition.

[Rutherford The Brave]

i also gave you my definition of rape and the romeo and juliet laws dont fall under my definition.

It's not the right definetion of rape, statutory rape (Which Romeo and Juliet falls under) is still rape, so your saying you want them to die.

[huginnmuninn]

It's not the right definetion of rape, statutory rape (Which Romeo and Juliet falls under) is still rape, so your saying you want them to die.

statutory rape is what the law defines rape as not as what it originally meant

[Rutherford The Brave]

statutory rape is what the law defines rape as not as what it originally meant

Your not getting the point though, it's still rape. Because everyone defines statutory rape as just rape. You don't hear the media saying a man statutory raped a girl last night, you just hear that he raped her.

[huginnmuninn]

fine i want everybody who has ever commited the smallest sex offense to die a horrible painful death and i want everybody who has broken even the stupidest laws to be executed no matter how stupid or insignificant

[Rutherford The Brave]

fine i want everybody who has ever commited the smallest sex offense to die a horrible painful death and i want everybody who has broken even the stupidest laws to be executed no matter how stupid or insignificant

I don't know why you are getting this way, you said that anyone who willingly and knowingly rapes someone should die. I stated the flaw in that arguement.

[Perseus]

fine i want everybody who has ever commited the smallest sex offense to die a horrible painful death and i want everybody who has broken even the stupidest laws to be executed no matter how stupid or insignificant

Why? What does that accomplish? That means everyone should be executed, pretty much.

[Amnesiac]

Why? What does that accomplish? That means everyone should be executed, pretty much.

Yeah, this isn't china or north korea. I mean, even the guys in P101 who've looked at porn would be executed :D

[INFERNO]

What is the reason behind death penalty for sex crimes? Death penalty for murder, although I disagree with it, has more logic: kill for killing. But death penalty for sex crimes I don't understand. The term "sex crimes" includes many crimes, anything from rape to sexual assault to Internet child pornography to prostitution and more. All 4 of those crimes involve different acts being done: forceful penetration (rape), not necessarily penetration (sexual assault), not necessarily touching the child (Internet child pornography), selling yourself for others (prostitution) and more. So not all of them even involve having sex or touching the victim, yet all would be treated the same by being killed. I don't understand this.

Others mentioned castration for those committing rape. Three reasons why I'm against it. First, it won't prevent further rapes. Many rape cases are about power, not about expressing love through intercourse. Second, it can lead to affecting the person's overall health. For this, I'm referencing chemical castration as it's shown to cause blood clots in some people. Third, if it is chemical castration, the injections of Depo-Provera have to keep being given, otherwise it wears off and the person is back to their former selves. Lastly, other than being barbaric, physical/permanent castration is a life-long punishment because even after they've served their sentence, the castration is still there.

[Tavi]

For any sexual crime they should either be given help,life sentence, or executed. My opinion.

[Amnesiac]

For any sexual crime they should either be given help,life sentence, or executed. My opinion.

Why do we treat sex as such a taboo? Why is it that when some old guy touches a little kid, they get 30 years but when a husband beats his wife he gets less? It makes no sense. I'm opposed to both a life sentence or execution for "sex crimes", both are much too heavy when you compare the crimes to other types of assault that are much worse.

[Raptor22]

Uh..., why? Raping and killing are in two different boats.

Killing someone because they raped is absurd.

Not really, all crimes are versions of theft. Murder is the theft of life, Rape is the theft of dignity and innocence. I think that by raping someone its almost worse than killing someone because they have to live the rest of their lives with the nightmares of what happened. They will never trust anyone sexually or engage in a proper relationship or have correct self worth values. I think thats completely wrong...

[Rutherford The Brave]

Not really, all crimes are versions of theft. Murder is the theft of life, Rape is the theft of dignity and innocence. I think that by raping someone its almost worse than killing someone because they have to live the rest of their lives with the nightmares of what happened. They will never trust anyone sexually or engage in a proper relationship or have correct self worth values. I think thats completely wrong...

You stole that philosphy from the Kite Runner.

[Raptor22]

You stole that philosphy from the Kite Runner.

Never read it. :P

It actually comes from George Carlin talking about the 10 commandments, way before Kite Runner was written...

Everything is simplified...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzEs2nj7iZM

[Amnesiac]

Not really, all crimes are versions of theft. Murder is the theft of life, Rape is the theft of dignity and innocence. I think that by raping someone its almost worse than killing someone because they have to live the rest of their lives with the nightmares of what happened. They will never trust anyone sexually or engage in a proper relationship or have correct self worth values. I think thats completely wrong...

I don't think there's anything worse than death. Rape victims are still alive, and they are able to seek rehabilitation and a new life. Murder victims don't get to do that, for obvious reasons.

[Nexus]

A capital crime should be the only crime met with capital punishment.

A lot of sex offenders can be rehabilitated and are given a lot of incentive to do so. Some judges even show leniency towards first time offenders if they can successfully complete a intensive and structured treatment program.

Then again, not all of them manage to correct their tendencies, but that doesn't mean they should be put to death. If the rape end results in murder, they should be eligible for the death penalty, but that's the only way I would ever support such a penalty.

[Disco Jones]

Not really, all crimes are versions of theft. Murder is the theft of life, Rape is the theft of dignity and innocence. I think that by raping someone its almost worse than killing someone because they have to live the rest of their lives with the nightmares of what happened. They will never trust anyone sexually or engage in a proper relationship or have correct self worth values. I think thats completely wrong...

Victims of sexual assault are not automatically broken for life. Many find help and positive relationships and lead otherwise normal lives. Money wasted on the long and expensive capital punishment process should instead be focused on making this rehabilitation more common.

[Raptor22]

Victims of sexual assault are not automatically broken for life. Many find help and positive relationships and lead otherwise normal lives. Money wasted on the long and expensive capital punishment process should instead be focused on making this rehabilitation more common.

The problem is rehabilitation doesnt work, the repeat offender rate is something above 90%, thats ridiculous. These people have a mental condition that cannot be treated. Thats the reason Washington state locks all of their sex offenders on an island in Puget Sound for the rest of their lives... :P

[Amnesiac]

The problem is rehabilitation doesnt work, the repeat offender rate is something above 90%, thats ridiculous. These people have a mental condition that cannot be treated. Thats the reason Washington state locks all of their sex offenders on an island in Puget Sound for the rest of their lives... :P

What if the government built isolated secured neighborhoods for repeat sex offenders to live in, instead of letting them live wherever they want?

[Disco Jones]

The problem is rehabilitation doesnt work, the repeat offender rate is something above 90%, thats ridiculous. These people have a mental condition that cannot be treated. Thats the reason Washington state locks all of their sex offenders on an island in Puget Sound for the rest of their lives... :P

It's a problem, but execution is not the solution.

[Raptor22]

What if the government built isolated secured neighborhoods for repeat sex offenders to live in, instead of letting them live wherever they want?

Well that would make sense but thats still more expensive than frying the motherfuckers...

It's a problem, but execution is not the solution.

Yes, its a good solution.

I see it as much the same as returning a defective product to the manufacturer. These people are defective, lets return them to their manufacturer... :P ;)

[Disco Jones]

It bothers me that you speak about executing a dude so casually.

[Raptor22]

It bothers me that you speak about executing a dude so casually.

Well what bothers me more is what these people cant resist doing to others, especially helpless innocent children. I really couldnt give a shit about them being executed.

Hell, I'd volunteer to personally dispose of every single one of those sick bastards, myself...

For the guys in Washington state, hanging is still legal there. And on that topic I will have to agree with Toby and Willy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1JOFhfoAD4&

[Rutherford The Brave]

Well what bothers me more is what these people cant resist doing to others, especially helpless innocent children. I really couldnt give a shit either way, I'd volunteer to do the deed to every single one of those sick bastards.

Fine, then you pay to kill them. Since you are volunteering.

[Raptor22]

Fine, then you pay to kill them. Since you are volunteering.

Alright! :D

Do I get to keep the money that we would save by not keeping them alive for another 50 years?

[Rutherford The Brave]

Alright! :D

Do I get to keep the money that we would save by not keeping them alive for another 50 years?

No, you volunteered. Its not a job.

[Raptor22]

No, you volunteered. Its not a job.

Well if I have to pay to execute them, I should keep the money saved by not keeping them alive...

Its alot cheaper to kill the bastards than it is to feed them and give them medical care for 50 years. Get rid of the appeals process (like what Texas did) and eliminate them. Find the most expedient death process possible, make it super efficient...

[Rutherford The Brave]

Well if I have to pay to execute them, I should keep the money saved by not keeping them alive...

Its alot cheaper to kill the bastards than it is to feed them and give them medical care for 50 years. Get rid of the appeals process (like what Texas did) and eliminate them. Find the most expedient death process possible, make it super efficient...

But you volunteered. No one hired you.

[Raptor22]

No, you volunteered. Its not a job.

But you volunteered. No one hired you.

I understand that, but im not sure I am understanding your logic. I would do the job for free as long as the state paid for the executions because it would save them money in the long run. Its not like killing them costs anything extra...

[Amnesiac]

Well what bothers me more is what these people cant resist doing to others, especially helpless innocent children. I really couldnt give a shit about them being executed.

Hell, I'd volunteer to personally dispose of every single one of those sick bastards, myself...

For the guys in Washington state, hanging is still legal there. And on that topic I will have to agree with Toby and Willy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1JOFhfoAD4&

Being insanely creepy doesn't make you eligible for execution.

Keep in mind that many sex offenders have mental illnesses as well.

[Raptor22]

Being insanely creepy doesn't make you eligible for execution.

Keep in mind that many sex offenders have mental illnesses as well.

Thats my point, incurable mental illnesses causing them to sexually abuse kids...

Get rid of them...

[Amnesiac]

Thats my point, incurable mental illnesses causing them to sexually abuse kids...

Get rid of them...

It's not really fair to kill someone for an incurable mental illness. It's best to just keep them in a place where they can live without harming others, thus explaining my neighborhood concept.

[Raptor22]

It's not really fair to kill someone for an incurable mental illness. It's best to just keep them in a place where they can live without harming others, thus explaining my neighborhood concept.

Yea but thats also expensive.

Just get rid of them, the people are defective, return them to their manufacturer... :P

[Amnesiac]

Yea but thats also expensive.

Just get rid of them, the people are defective, return them to their manufacturer... :P

Ha, I have a feeling you're kidding...

but if we were to adopt that attitude we'd have to execute all disabled people. These mentally ill sex offenders had no say in how they were born, it's not fair to them, even if their actions are disgusting.

[Raptor22]

Ha, I have a feeling you're kidding...

but if we were to adopt that attitude we'd have to execute all disabled people. These mentally ill sex offenders had no say in how they were born, it's not fair to them, even if their actions are disgusting.

True, but as a taxpayer I dont want to pay to have to put up with the SOBs...

[Amnesiac]

True, but as a taxpayer I dont want to pay to have to put up with the SOBs...

Executing them would be the most politically incorrect thing EVER. Who knows, it could even violate the Constitutional right to life that can't be deprived "without due process of law". These people are clinically insane, they can't be killed.

[Raptor22]

Executing them would be the most politically incorrect thing EVER. Who knows, it could even violate the Constitutional right to life that can't be deprived "without due process of law". These people are clinically insane, they can't be killed.

Well it is a mental illness but its not insanity...

If due process of law says they assaulted a child sexually, then thats due process of law...

[Amnesiac]

Well it is a mental illness but its not insanity...

If due process of law says they assaulted a child sexually, then thats due process of law...

So they get shipped off to a hospital or "special neighborhood". You don't kill them.

[Raptor22]

So they get shipped off to a hospital or "special neighborhood". You don't kill them.

But the problem is, I dont want to pay to put up with the motherfuckers. How about this proposition? The offender or his family, or whoever chooses, can pay for the dude to live in the special neighborhood. If they dont pay, they are executed instead. That is unless there was a way to consolidate some kind of government manufacturing and offer the offenders jobs within their communes so I dont have to pay for their food. They get put in the neighborhood and then get to work in the license plate factory (or whatever...) for 8 hours a day and then goes back and lives in their house. I dont see anything wrong with that...

I wouldnt mind that at all, because I dont have to pay for the sick bastards...

[Amnesiac]

But the problem is, I dont want to pay to put up with the motherfuckers. How about this proposition? The offender or his family, or whoever chooses, can pay for the dude to live in the special neighborhood. If they dont pay, they are executed instead...

I wouldnt mind that at all, because I dont have to pay for the sick bastards...

What if he doesn't have a family? What if the family's poor?

It borders on cruelty to threaten to kill a relative, however deranged they are, because their family doesn't have money.

[Perseus]

But the problem is, I dont want to pay to put up with the motherfuckers. How about this proposition? The offender or his family, or whoever chooses, can pay for the dude to live in the special neighborhood. If they dont pay, they are executed instead. That is unless there was a way to consolidate some kind of government manufacturing and offer the offenders jobs within their communes so I dont have to pay for their food. They get put in the neighborhood and then get to work in the license plate factory (or whatever...) for 8 hours a day and then goes back and lives in their house. I dont see anything wrong with that...

I wouldnt mind that at all, because I dont have to pay for the sick bastards...

Why does someone who only RAPED someone deserve to die? They didn't take the person's life. They just forced sex upon the person. Who cares if you have to pay for it? There are countless other thing you have to pay for, but I doubt you want them dead.

[Raptor22]

Why does someone who only RAPED someone deserve to die? They didn't take the person's life. They just forced sex upon the person. Who cares if you have to pay for it? There are countless other thing you have to pay for, but I doubt you want them dead.

Its because people who rape and sexually abuse, especially towards children, have a permanent incurable disease. They can never rejoin society and will never be productive members.

However what does make sense (besides killing them) is if the neighborhoods are payed for by some sort of industry within them. Make them communes, grow and harvest their own crops, ranch their meat, or get a job in the license plate factory, or textile factory, or steel mill, or whatever the factories are, building construction and maintenance. The revenue from the factory can break even the cost of building the special communities. They can be far removed from society, yet live in their own special society. Everyone living there will still wear an ankle bracelet and guards will still patrol the area. Offenders can choose what industry they would work in (agriculture, heavy industry, building and road maintenance...). The only expense would be medical care but the surplus from the industry would pay for it.

However the problem is I'm expecting the government to run something correctly for once, and unfortunately that doesn't happen. Im even surprised at my idea because its the epitome of socialism (coming from me of all people :P ), however its what makes the most sense in the situation.

[Perseus]

Its because people who rape and sexually abuse, especially towards children, have a permanent incurable disease. They can never rejoin society and will never be productive members.


Just because they have a mental disease doesn't mean kill them. That's unjustly taking someone's life. Rape is over power, anyway. Some people want to rape a women to show they have control over her.

I like your analogy, though.

[Raptor22]

Just because they have a mental disease doesn't mean kill them. That's unjustly taking someone's life. Rape is over power, anyway. Some people want to rape a women to show they have control over her.

I like your analogy, though.

What do you think of my other suggestion, above?

[Perseus]

What do you think of my other suggestion, above?

Your analogy(I chose the wrong word, lol)? I said I liked it. :P

[Raptor22]

Its because people who rape and sexually abuse, especially towards children, have a permanent incurable disease. They can never rejoin society and will never be productive members.

However what does make sense (besides killing them) is if the neighborhoods are payed for by some sort of industry within them. Make them communes, grow and harvest their own crops, ranch their meat, or get a job in the license plate factory, or textile factory, or steel mill, or whatever the factories are, building construction and maintenance. The revenue from the factory can break even the cost of building the special communities. They can be far removed from society, yet live in their own special society. Everyone living there will still wear an ankle bracelet and guards will still patrol the area. Offenders can choose what industry they would work in (agriculture, heavy industry, building and road maintenance...). The only expense would be medical care but the surplus from the industry would pay for it.

However the problem is I'm expecting the government to run something correctly for once, and unfortunately that doesn't happen. Im even surprised at my idea because its the epitome of socialism (coming from me of all people :P ), however its what makes the most sense in the situation.

Your analogy(I chose the wrong word, lol)? I said I liked it. :P

No, my commune idea. :)

[jason93]

I do not agree with the death penalty under any circumstances, I would not even support the death penalty for Osuma Bin-Laden.

I think an eye for an eye is just wrong and not justice as it is revenge.

[Perseus]

No, my commune idea. :)

The commune thing is what I meant.

[Raptor22]

I do not agree with the death penalty under any circumstances, I would not even support the death penalty for Osuma Bin-Laden.

I think an eye for an eye is just wrong and not justice as it is revenge.
Cool, did you read the thread? What about my idea?


The commune thing is what I meant.

Cool, I didnt know it was an analogy as I wasnt comparing it to anything... :p

But thanks!

[Disco Jones]

So you just want prisoners to do work?

[Raptor22]

So you just want prisoners to do work?

No I want people that complete their sentences to be separated from society and yet contribute to society rather than become a drag on it. :)

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No I want people that complete their sentences to be separated from society and yet contribute to society rather than become a drag on it. :)

Thats absurd.

[Raptor22]

Thats absurd.

Why? The people have an incurable disease and they cannot be members of normal society.

Thats the very reason Washington (state) sends all of their sex offenders to an island to live the rest of their lives. My idea is the same as that, however make the area normal (like a gated community) with sex offenders working jobs and residing in the compound. That way it isnt costing me money to support these people. :)

[Zephyr]

No, people can't be fully rehabilitated, but they can be taught how to cope with their urge to go out and do such things. It can be hard to do, but it can be done. If you sat all sex offenders on death row, it would cost more money than rehabilitation due to the amount of legal appeals that would be in process, the amount of attorneys that the state would have to hire to represent these people, the money to feed and cloth them while they sit in jail waiting on their appeals... the process could take years for a single person. So either way, you're 'paying to put up with the motherfuckers'.

As for saying "90% of offenders will re-offend", this tidbit comes from RAINN:

"Rapists are more likely to be a serial criminal than a serial rapist."
http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-offenders

Don't take general crime statistics and apply them to something that you haven't looked into.

A lot of people that I'm very close to have been raped or molested at some point in their lives and all of their assaulter's have never been repeat offenders. I even know a few convicted offenders who were wrongly convicted and it's ruined their lives. Think twice before you say that convicted people should be killed, or saying that most offenders will re-offend.

[Raptor22]

No, people can't be fully rehabilitated, but they can be taught how to cope with their urge to go out and do such things. It can be hard to do, but it can be done. If you sat all sex offenders on death row, it would cost more money than rehabilitation due to the amount of legal appeals that would be in process, the amount of attorneys that the state would have to hire to represent these people, the money to feed and cloth them while they sit in jail waiting on their appeals... the process could take years for a single person. So either way, you're 'paying to put up with the motherfuckers'.

As for saying "90% of offenders will re-offend", this tidbit comes from RAINN:

"Rapists are more likely to be a serial criminal than a serial rapist."
http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-offenders

Don't take general crime statistics and apply them to something that you haven't looked into.

A lot of people that I'm very close to have been raped or molested at some point in their lives and all of their assaulter's have never been repeat offenders. I even know a few convicted offenders who were wrongly convicted and it's ruined their lives. Think twice before you say that convicted people should be killed, or saying that most offenders will re-offend.

There is a reason that Washington state puts the offenders on an island for the rest of their lives (after they serve their sentences) or until they are 'rehabilitated.' Out of like 500 people on this island, only 3 have been allowed to leave in the last 20 years.

I'd agree with the island idea, however there is no way for that to pay for itself, and you are right that the people deserve some figment of normalcy. Thats why I say let them live in normal neighborhoods with normal houses with normal jobs and contribute to society, but still keep society safe from their behavior.

If you read the entire thread, the whole thing has caused me to change my opinion, where if it was put into place, my commune system makes sense...

[Amnesiac]

If you read the entire thread, the whole thing has caused me to change my opinion, where if it was put into place, my commune system makes sense...

Or my neighborhood idea, it gives at least a sense of "freedom" to these corrupted people.

[Raptor22]

Or my neighborhood idea, it gives at least a sense of "freedom" to these corrupted people.

My commune idea is your neighborhood idea. :)

They live in a neighborhood in addition to industry where they can work to support the neighborhood. :)

[Amnesiac]

My commune idea is your neighborhood idea. :)

They live in a neighborhood in addition to industry where they can work to support the neighborhood. :)

Oh, thanks :D

The industry idea is good, they can be productive as well.

[Raptor22]

Oh, thanks :D

The industry idea is good, they can be productive as well.

Thats what I am saying, the communities might even make surplus (more money than it costs to run them). They can be built and maintained by the people that live there, almost like a homeowners association but without the BS, and with sex offenders... :P

The main costs are just the materials, and the security and surveillance crew. :)

[Amnesiac]

Thats what I am saying, the communities might even make surplus (more money than it costs to run them). They can be built and maintained by the people that live there, almost like a homeowners association but without the BS, and with sex offenders... :P

The main costs are just the materials, and the security and surveillance crew. :)

haha, this idea is great. I doubt that the government would take it up though.

[Raptor22]

haha, this idea is great. I doubt that the government would take it up though.

Yep, I really really like it. :)

Most of the concerns now probably rely upon:

A. Constitutionality of a facility like that...
B. Security of a facility like that...
C. Rules within a facility like that...

[Amnesiac]

Yep, I really really like it. :)

Most of the concerns now probably rely upon:

A. Constitutionality of a facility like that...
B. Security of a facility like that...
C. Rules within a facility like that...

There'd be plenty of security, that's not a problem. I don't think we'd need to worry about the constitutionality of it, they're repeat offenders and therefore the government has permission to isolate them.

The rules would be up to the government to decide, and I'd expect them to be appropriately strict.

[Raptor22]

There'd be plenty of security, that's not a problem. I don't think we'd need to worry about the constitutionality of it, they're repeat offenders and therefore the government has permission to isolate them.

The rules would be up to the government to decide, and I'd expect them to be appropriately strict.

Yea, restricted TV, no internet, restricted mail, certain hours for visitors...

It will be like a small town, so should they be allowed personal conveyances? Mopeds? lol...

[Amnesiac]

Yea, restricted TV, no internet, restricted mail, certain hours for visitors...

It will be like a small town, so should they be allowed personal conveyances? Mopeds? lol...

No, I'd have Internet, but it would be filtered and monitored for inappropriate conversation.

I agree with everything else, though.

The town would be small enough to walk around, I'd guess.

[Raptor22]

No, I'd have Internet, but it would be filtered and monitored for inappropriate conversation.

I agree with everything else, though.

The town would be small enough to walk around, I'd guess.

Should be, unless lets say multiple states sent their perverts there... :P

I suppose if the internet can be sufficiently filtered than it might not be too bad, but filters generally suck. I mean my school has filters and I can go look at whatever I want to if I try hard enough. And keep in mind these are sex offenders, so even if it blocks porn and sexually explicit stuff, they can still go to Macy's and get off looking at pictures of kids modeling clothes...

[Amnesiac]

Should be, unless lets say multiple states sent their perverts there... :P

I suppose if the internet can be sufficiently filtered than it might not be too bad, but filters generally suck. I mean my school has filters and I can go look at whatever I want to if I try hard enough. And keep in mind these are sex offenders, so even if it blocks porn and sexually explicit stuff, they can still go to Macy's and get off looking at pictures of kids modeling clothes...

I wouldn't block porn, actually, it could be used for the offender's "sexual discharge" :P

But you'd block all websites pertaining to children. That includes VT.

[Raptor22]

I wouldn't block porn, actually, it could be used for the offender's "sexual discharge" :P

But you'd block all websites pertaining to children. That includes VT.

True, but the problem with that, is it doesnt have to necessarily be sexual or pertain to children. They can look at pictures of kids modeling clothes at Macys and get off on that... :P

[Zeh Crazy]

I don't think they should be executed. But they should be locked up for the rest of their lives. I mean, these people have learned that behavior from somewhere obviously. Maybe they were abused. If that, then I have a shred of sympathy. BUt I don't believe they should be allowed in society again after what they did.

[Amnesiac]

True, but the problem with that, is it doesnt have to necessarily be sexual or pertain to children. They can look at pictures of kids modeling clothes at Macys and get off on that... :P

hahaha, we also have to treat each offender differently, not all of them were associating with children. Some of them assaulted adults.

[Raptor22]

I don't think they should be executed. But they should be locked up for the rest of their lives. I mean, these people have learned that behavior from somewhere obviously. Maybe they were abused. If that, then I have a shred of sympathy. BUt I don't believe they should be allowed in society again after what they did.

And ways of doing that have been discussed, read the thread. :)

hahaha, we also have to treat each offender differently, not all of them were associating with children. Some of them assaulted adults.

True, and there are different motivations behind differing assaults. I dont think the kids labled as sex offenders for "sexting" should be locked up forever (or at all). Or the guy that slapped a girls ass because it was funny, he shouldnt be locked up forever.

I dont think "registered sex offender" is even a title that fitting for those last two examples...

[Amnesiac]

True, and there are different motivations behind differing assaults. I dont think the kids labled as sex offenders for "sexting" should be locked up forever (or at all). Or the guy that slapped a girls ass because it was funny, he shouldnt be locked up forever.

I dont think "registered sex offender" is even a title that fitting for those last two examples...

Yes, kids who sext or people who made little inappropriate gestures shouldn't be punished so severely. The problem with our sex offender system is that it punishes small crimes so severely. Kids trading nude pictures is not child pornography, and slapping someone's ass isn't sexual assault. This part of the judicial system needs reform badly.

[Raptor22]

Yes, kids who sext or people who made little inappropriate gestures shouldn't be punished so severely. The problem with our sex offender system is that it punishes small crimes so severely. Kids trading nude pictures is not child pornography, and slapping someone's ass isn't sexual assault. This part of the judicial system needs reform badly.

Agreed. My opinion on the sexting thing is this:

If the kids justhad sex, nobody would have known and nobody would be punished for the rest of their lives (sex offender status is permanent). Why punish kids forever for doing something much better than the alternative. Nobody gets preggos or VDs from looking at a few grainy cell phone pics... :P

It does need reform badly. As conservative as I am with most things, I believe that social conservatives are standing in the way of the progression of technology and morals in this country. This is shown with attempts to regulate cell phone usage and videogames, along with the DMCA copyright confusion debacle...

[Amnesiac]

Agreed. My opinion on the sexting thing is this:

If the kids justhad sex, nobody would have known and nobody would be punished for the rest of their lives (sex offender status is permanent). Why punish kids forever for doing something much better than the alternative. Nobody gets preggos or VDs from looking at a few grainy cell phone pics... :P

It does need reform badly. As conservative as I am with most things, I believe that social conservatives are standing in the way of the progression of technology and morals in this country. This is shown with attempts to regulate cell phone usage and videogames, along with the DMCA copyright confusion debacle...

I can respect the ideals of fiscal conservatism, but not social conservatism. Their attempts to create a nationwide set of "morals" that we are all to "follow" are threatening the much-loved freedoms we enjoy in today's United States.

We have kids doing drugs ON SCHOOL CAMPUSES, showing up to class high. We have kids beating up and killing other kids. Yet we make such a fuss over two horny teenagers trading pics of each other? Since when did a grainy picture of some girl's boobs become more of a threat to society than a group of kids doing weed on the playground or beating up on a smaller kid? The insane punishments we reserve for sexters should be given to underage druggies and bullies instead.

[Raptor22]

I can respect the ideals of fiscal conservatism, but not social conservatism. Their attempts to create a nationwide set of "morals" that we are all to "follow" are threatening the much-loved freedoms we enjoy in today's United States.

We have kids doing drugs ON SCHOOL CAMPUSES, showing up to class high. We have kids beating up and killing other kids. Yet we make such a fuss over two horny teenagers trading pics of each other? Since when did a grainy picture of some girl's boobs become more of a threat to society than a group of kids doing weed on the playground or beating up on a smaller kid? The insane punishments we reserve for sexters should be given to underage druggies and bullies instead.

Completely agreed. :)

The only social conservative issues I agree with is abortion since its 100% preventable and we have an adoption system, and gay marriage but only because they will call it marriage. A marriage is a religious practice, and the government has to right to control how religious practices are performed.

I am all for civil unions allowing homosexuals to maintain the same rights as married hererosexuals, just dont call it marriage. :)

[Amnesiac]

Completely agreed. :)

The only social conservative issues I agree with is abortion since its 100% preventable and we have an adoption system, and gay marriage but only because they will call it marriage. A marriage is a religious practice, and the government has to right to control how religious practices are performed.

I am all for civil unions allowing homosexuals to maintain the same rights as married hererosexuals, just dont call it marriage. :)

A marriage isn't strictly a religious practice, but I'm not going to dive off topic here.

I don't like abortion, it should be "safe, legal and rare". Sadly, in such a world as ours, sometimes it is necessary. That's also off topic though.

So I'll just say: agreed :D

[Raptor22]

A marriage isn't strictly a religious practice, but I'm not going to dive off topic here.

I don't like abortion, it should be "safe, legal and rare". Sadly, in such a world as ours, sometimes it is necessary. That's also off topic though.

So I'll just say: agreed :D

Haha! True. :P

Anyone else have any thoughs on my commune idea?

I find it interesting that me being the most conservative person I know, the idea I came up with is the pinnacle of socialism... :P

[Amnesiac]

Haha! True. :P

Anyone else have any thoughs on my commune idea?

I find it interesting that me being the most conservative person I know, the idea I came up with is the pinnacle of socialism... :P

Socialism is, in part, about controlling the population. In this case, we have a population (the offenders) and they need to be controlled via a socialist-type system.

[Blood]

Death penalty for sex crimes?

That's deep.

Castration is the logical solution. If you can't use 'em right, you don't deserve to have 'em.

[Sith Lord 13]

Death penalty for sex crimes?

That's deep.

Castration is the logical solution. If you can't use 'em right, you don't deserve to have 'em.

What about female sex offenders?

[Blood]

What about female sex offenders?

Same for them. There is a way to 'neuter' a female so that she has no sex drive.

[Raptor22]

Death penalty for sex crimes?

That's deep.

Castration is the logical solution. If you can't use 'em right, you don't deserve to have 'em.

What about female sex offenders?

Same for them. There is a way to 'neuter' a female so that she has no sex drive.

True, but what about just locking them in a commune? :P

[Disco Jones]

the government has to right to control how religious practices are performed.


actually i'm pretty sure this is the exact opposite of what the government can do

[Amnesiac]

actually i'm pretty sure this is the exact opposite of what the government can do

It would only apply to things such as sacrifices and exorcisms. You know, disgusting and illegal activities.

[Sith Lord 13]

It would only apply to things such as sacrifices and exorcisms. You know, disgusting and illegal activities.

Last time I checked exorcisms are neither disgusting nor illegal. (Usually anyway, there have been some which go too far, I know.)

[Amnesiac]

Last time I checked exorcisms are neither disgusting nor illegal. (Usually anyway, there have been some which go too far, I know.)

Well, I meant the ones that go too far. The ones you see in movies :P

[Raptor22]

actually i'm pretty sure this is the exact opposite of what the government can do

It would only apply to things such as sacrifices and exorcisms. You know, disgusting and illegal activities.

Im sorry, it was a typo!

I mean the government has NO right.... :P

[Perseus]

Death penalty for sex crimes?

That's deep.

Castration is the logical solution. If you can't use 'em right, you don't deserve to have 'em.

How is that right? Wouldn't that just be as barbaric as raping someone?

[Disco Jones]

Castration is unconstitutional

[Amnesiac]

Castration is unconstitutional

It could be considered in violation of the 8th amendment, yes.

[Blood]

How is that right? Wouldn't that just be as barbaric as raping someone?

How is castrating someone more barbaric than killing them?

[Perseus]

How is castrating someone more barbaric than killing them?

You're cutting off their nuts. Think about it. Castration solves nothing.

[neigh]

Is it appropriate to execute someone for committing a crime even when the victim does not lose their life?

i would say no - one because im roman catholic - second i don't think it really stops crime. in canada we do not have the death pen. i do think if a male does something to a girl like rape he should be fixed.

i think the man who does rape to girls should have his nut crushed with a sludge hammer one at a time. and like 5 min. apart. let him think after the first one is flatten that the second one is going to get the same in five min.
--- tape the guy getting his nuts crushed and paly it back in slow motion
on the public broadcasting network or c-span. after the guy gets his nuts crushed give him only 2 tylonol and lock him up for life -- with no visits, no tv no radio, sound proff room, and fed by guards who fed him under the door and no not talk to him. make the sound proof room painted pink. on his prision uniform name tag it will be mr. no balls 101

[Disco Jones]

How is castrating someone more barbaric than killing them?

It is cruel and unusual. Even the death penalty is meant to be done in the most painless, quickest, and least humiliating fashion, and even then it has its critics.

Neigh's idea is just sadistic and demented, especially the part about broadcasting the nutcrushing on television.

[Joey15]

I believe in cases of having been convicted of child molesting more then once the judge should have the option of the death penalty.

[OnceMoreWithFeeling]

I am at a cross road, I think that No One should ever be raped or have any sex crimes done to them and who ever does that to anyone is just sick. But I do not think that they deserve death. They should just be put in prison intill they die.

[scuba steve]

Castrate the bastards, that's what my dad says and i wouldn't be far off agreeing with him.

[Perseus]

I believe in cases of having been convicted of child molesting more then once the judge should have the option of the death penalty.
Why?
Castrate the bastards, that's what my dad says and i wouldn't be far off agreeing with him.

What does that solve? Nothing. Exactly.

[OnceMoreWithFeeling]

Castrate the bastards, that's what my dad says and i wouldn't be far off agreeing with him.
I am feeling really stupid right now but what does castrate mean?
Sorry

[Raptor22]

I am feeling really stupid right now but what does castrate mean?
Sorry

Cut their balls off, either surgically or chemically. ;)

Hasnt anyone read the thread before posting? The commune solves every problem... :P

[Sith Lord 13]

What does that solve?

It renders them incapable of re-offending.

[Perseus]

It renders them incapable of re-offending.

So does putting them in jail for the rest of their life. Castration is no more barbaric that rape. You wouldn't cut off someone's hand for stealing, would you?

[Sith Lord 13]

So does putting them in jail for the rest of their life. Castration is no more barbaric that rape. You wouldn't cut off someone's hand for stealing, would you?

No, but:
1) Prison does leave them capable of re-offending. Ignoring parole and escape, they are still able to rape other inmates.

2)What makes it so barbaric?

3) What about chemical castration?

[Perseus]

1) Prison does leave them capable of re-offending. Ignoring parole and escape, they are still able to rape other inmates. That's easily handled by making it life without parole, but not everyone is a repeat offender.

2)What makes it so barbaric? You are intentionally maiming a person for a crime that they have committed. As I said, you wouldn't chop off someone's hand for stealing.

3) What about chemical castration? I am ignorant on this subject, so I don't know.

[Sith Lord 13]

That's easily handled by making it life without parole, but not everyone is a repeat offender.

What about raping other inmates?

You are intentionally maiming a person for a crime that they have committed. As I said, you wouldn't chop off someone's hand for stealing.

It is a reflection of the severity of the crime and the fact that recidivism is extremely high.

I am ignorant on this subject, so I don't know.

It mimics the effects of castration, but leaves the testicles intact. However, it requires injections that need to be repeated after an amount of time. (I'm not sure how long.)

[Perseus]

What about raping other inmates? People who aren't sex offenders do that. Not much can be done about it[/quote]



It is a reflection of the severity of the crime and the fact that recidivism is extremely high. But chopping off their nuts doesn't solve anything. They misused their junk, but that can be argued for murder saying they misused their hand to kill that fellow.



It mimics the effects of castration, but leaves the testicles intact. However, it requires injections that need to be repeated after an amount of time. (I'm not sure how long.)
That's what I was thinking. Chemical castration just seems like male birthcontrol to me. Keeling all their sperm doesn't stop rape. Rape is usually about power.

[Sith Lord 13]

That's what I was thinking. Chemical castration just seems like male birthcontrol to me. Keeling all their sperm doesn't stop rape. Rape is usually about power.

It renders them physically incapable of achieving an erection and kills any semblance of a sex drive.

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Cut their balls off, either surgically or chemically. ;)


Thats not really what it means.

[Perseus]

It renders them physically incapable of achieving an erection and kills any semblance of a sex drive.

See, in all honesty, that's not that bad. I don't think many people would be opposed to that at all.

[Sith Lord 13]

See, in all honesty, that's not that bad. I don't think many people would be opposed to that at all.

I agree, and I think it should be mandated for any repeat offender. I do prefer it to regular castration as it's reversible, in case the wrong man is convicted, while making them mostly harmless to society. I think though, that should one persist in offending even after the chemical castration, the death penalty is appropriate, as they will continue to offend, no matter what.

[Perseus]

I agree, and I think it should be mandated for any repeat offender. I do prefer it to regular castration as it's reversible, in case the wrong man is convicted, while making them mostly harmless to society. I think though, that should one persist in offending even after the chemical castration, the death penalty is appropriate, as they will continue to offend, no matter what.

I just still don't think someone who has not taken another life should be killed because they like to rape. That's where life in prison comes into play.

[Raptor22]

Thats not really what it means.

Really? Then what the fuck does it mean? :rolleyes:

I guess I have castrating calves and sheep wrong all of these years.... :P

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Really? Then what the fuck does it mean? :rolleyes:

I guess I have castrating calves and sheep wrong all of these years.... :P

"Castration (also referred to as gelding, spaying, neutering, fixing, orchiectomy, oophorectomy) is any action, surgical, chemical, or otherwise, by which a male loses the functions of the testicles or a female loses the functions of the ovaries."

[Raptor22]

"Castration (also referred to as gelding, spaying, neutering, fixing, orchiectomy, oophorectomy) is any action, surgical, chemical, or otherwise, by which a male loses the functions of the testicles or a female loses the functions of the ovaries."

Which is precisely what I was referring to. The easiest way for that to occur is by severing the testes from the body...