Religion

[Hyper]

? what are you talking about.

I swear you always do this.

In almost all debates we have had. Even when you are faced with irrefutable evidence, you ignore all facts that are presented, and continue to say that I or we are, brainwashed, stupid, wrong, or any number of things.
I swear you are immune to logic.

good day


No sorry im just not a sheep

[Melchi0r]

Oops read that site.. Realy read it you can see the author(s) are completly 1 sided

I agree.

And with "science"... yes I study science (because of school, though =p) and I have learned that everything in the Universe is made of energy. I know the Big Bang theory. And this science has made me believe that in order for our Universe to have been created, and for life to actually work, there must be Something that created or jump-started the Universe. Some Higher Being. I think it was what we call "God."

I definitely believe there is God and that he still works in our lives. However I'm what I call "religion-agnostic", meaning I have no idea what the right religion is. Christianity? Maybe. However Christianity got off to a bad start. The Bible is faulty and since it was misinterpreted and changed over time, and the Gnostic Gospels being hidden from the world, how can we truly trust the Bible?

For now I go to a Christian church. If something happens or if I learn something that alters my POV Christianity or what I should believe then so be it. I don't care what the truth is, I want to know it.

[DomSoulWraith]

I think religion, thinking back to the crusades, is only to make people do good and for the people at the top to profit. Think about it! The crusades...... clerics, all the churches, and manny other people benfited from that. I think that they're, also, lying so we do good in the world, and a response to "Someone who truely belives in God doesn't hate" by Hyper...... God hates a lot of people! Gay marrige, their only arguement is in the biblie. Other than that they have no arguement! What about in Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.? African-Americans weren't important because God said so! God can hate. (If there is a God, and it's not just the important holy people and churches benefitting by lying. I'm sure they all pretty much believe in what they do though.). That's not me being serious, but I did think this was getting a bit tense.

[Melchi0r]

It scares me when I think about it.. but wouldn't the world be easier if it was very widely accepted that there was no God?

[redcar]

It scares me when I think about it.. but wouldn't the world be easier if it was very widely accepted that there was no God?
no.

there is a lot of shit associated with religion and all that. but what we have to remember is what religion means to people personally and how it comforts them. we are focusing too much on religion on a wide scale we forget what it is to individuals.

[Phantom]

No sorry im just not a sheepLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!

[Melchi0r]

no.

there is a lot of shit associated with religion and all that. but what we have to remember is what religion means to people personally and how it comforts them. we are focusing too much on religion on a wide scale we forget what it is to individuals.

My bad. I see exactly what you mean.

[MoveAlong]

there is a lot of shit associated with religion and all that. but what we have to remember is what religion means to people personally and how it comforts them. we are focusing too much on religion on a wide scale we forget what it is to individuals.

I agree.
When I feel guilty for doing something, I want to talk to someone. Sometimes I talk outloud when alone, maybe to god, whatever he or she may be. It's conforting to me to be able to talk to someone, something and know they're listening. That's just my opinion.

I voted recently, and I personally don't have a religion all because I just don't want one. I'm sure that I'll go through my life happy, and if I am, what's the problem? It's not hurting anyone...

[terith]

What I meant was, many Christians are intolerant to those who oppose Christianity or follow other religions, like Judaism, Islam, Wicca, etc. or do things that aren't "Christian" like homosexuals. However there is no where in the Bible/Jesus said nothing about being intolerant, judgemental, prejudiced, or anything like that. And those Christians expect everyone to except THEIR faith. Hypocritcal much?

I am a Christian but I swear I am not intolerant about any other belief system or anything. Maybe homosexuality's not really as bad as Leviticus makes it out to be. Quite possibly Christianity's not the only way to get to Heaven. And maybe not all atheists will die atheists.

Jesus didn't teach intolerance. Pretty much he only taught us that we should love on another, and that's a good message for everone and even those who don't believe in God.

Ok,I have no idea what Leviticus is but homosexuality shouldnot be considerd a "sin,"because you are born with it and nothing can change you.

Thats right,Jesus did not teach intolerance and taught to love.

I rememberd something funny,one day in school a student who found out i'm open minded about religion,wich he thinks is the same as atheist,but anyway he wrote "Go To Hell Atheist!" on my locker. So i kinda got mad and threw a stapler at him and it hit his head lolzzz. i didn't get in trouble because the school didn't want to get sued

[Rogue 4]

First of all, HI EVERYONE, I'M BACK! College got the better of me for a long time, then Christmas, then registration for next semester, and now I'm back. Anyway, with a more in-depth post to follow, I'd like to say something to the post above.

I do not believe people are born with homosexual tendecies. I believe it's a product of life experiences, but there is no way to prove either side. Guess I'm just giving you a quick counter-point, and also one that suggests that it can be changed. I'm not intolerant in the least as a Christian. I have had friends spanning many beliefs, which is why I'm aware of some of the differences between various belief systems. So, while I do consider homosexuality to be a sin (and that may hurt some feelings), I have no intention of running out and telling every gay person on earth they are going to hell. Because it doesn't have to be true. It's not a requisite that you be hetero to get into heaven. I daresay you could even have a gay Christian. Acts of homosexuality count as a sin in the Bible, but it is only one sin, and as such, it is wholly possible that I commit more sins every day than any homosexual out there. There is a part of the Bible (I can't recall the book or verse) that tells us nothing can take us from the hand of God. So, no matter who you are, or what you do (there is only one exception ever listed, but it's not homosexuality), once a Christian, always a Christian. Some people are just very bad Christians, eh?

Hmmmmmmm, that might offend some of you as well, but look at it this way, if you fully accept the Lord wholeheartedly, you get into heaven. Christians, as most people define them, strive to follow the Word as closely as they can, which they should, but it does not mean there aren't other Christians out there.

Now, who here would like to try putting some words in my mouth and criticizing my actions based on a religion they don't count themselves as part of? ;)

[theonetheycallbob]

I agree that it is wrong to criticize members of another fait, but as to knowing that your faith is right, you just have to belive. as dumb as taht sounds its the truth. IM christian and i try not to criticize other's beliefs and just belive that mine is right. Thats all

[Melchi0r]

I've realized that I've had disagreements with Christianity, my own religion, stuck away in the back of my mind for ages and ages. For example, I don't believe in Hell or Satan.

Lately I've been thinking about my spiritual path. And I think I want to try Wicca.

[*Dissident*]

man, my philosophy on all of this stuff, is that if you dont want to be gay or have an abortion or be a hippie, you dont have to be, so shut up and leave the people who want these things alone.

[Melchi0r]

That doesn't really have anything to do with religion.

[*Dissident*]

well...people were talking about gay marriage and stuff.

[Mannequin]

man, my philosophy on all of this stuff, is that if you dont want to be gay or have an abortion or be a hippie, you dont have to be, so shut up and leave the people who want these things alone.

No, listen to others.
First of all, being gay is not a choice. This has been proven with medical evidence. I'm a gay male, I'm certainly not flaunting my homosexuality.
I'd love to be normal and have my parents be proud of me for at least one day.
I cannot be straight.

[thesphinx]

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[RowanVer.3.0]

Religion:an irrational belief arising from ignorance or fear.

Yeah, basically that sums it up. I'm not with a religion, I think that there are too many blind followers of something that there is no facts of existing.. Frankly, there is more proof of atheism than Christianity. Atheism has real things that they base it on, real hard evidence. Although, at least they admit that most of their theories are just that. Theories. Some have been proven to work like evolution.

Religion is going to die within the next 200 years. Mark my words.

It's just illogical, and everybody knows deep down that it is... Unless you are very old fashioned/brainwashed or uneducated, that is. Why do you think people once believed there was a man that threw thunder at the earth? Or that there was a man that pulled the sun accross the sky by winged-horse chariot...? It was because they had no other way to explain these things. As soon as science discovered why these things happen the religion was proven unworthy and much more vague religions arrose. The more vague a religion is the harder it is to disprove..

It's like if you're trying to guess who a person is and they keep being very vague about what they are like.. "I like to brush my teeth... I'm within a 10 year range of you... I eat daily..."

Basically, Christianity has already been disproven. People are just afraid to admit it. It hasn't been disproved that there is a god, but, it has been disproved that the world was created in 6 days... Christianity did not believe that there was any other worlds than our earth, hell it doesn't believe in space in general.. There is space, fuck, humans have been there! You can't say it simply doesn't exist...

Some faiths have adapted to the fact that space exists, but how can you find something true if it's constantly changing? That obviously means it's not true if they constantly have to change a bunch of shit in their religion so that it actually makes sense with what we've discovered.

In closing, I'd like to state that it is highly possible that there is something of god-like presence. Just, it won't be part of a religion. Religions are like fantasy, a man with 4 arms, a man that can walk on water.. It won't be anything like that. It will be something real that has started the expansion of our universe. It will be something that we will probably discover through study and science.


Flame me, I don't care. All I've given is hard facts and truth, if you can't handle it, tough.

[Ethannnnnn]

i dont believe in god neither am i any sort of religion though i do reckon the big bang happened

[Melchi0r]

The big bang theory is just weird to me.

In physical cosmology, the Big Bang is the scientific theory that the universe emerged from a tremendously dense and hot state about 13.7 billion years ago.
Extrapolated into the past, these observations show that the universe has expanded from a state in which all the matter and energy in the universe was at an immense temperature and density. Physicists do not widely agree on what happened before this, although general relativity predicts a gravitational singularity (for reporting on some of the more notable speculation on this issue, see cosmogony).
The term Big Bang is used both in a narrow sense to refer to a point in time when the observed expansion of the universe (Hubble's law) began — calculated to be 13.7 billion (1.37 × 1010) years ago (±2%) — and in a more general sense to refer to the prevailing cosmological paradigm explaining the origin and expansion of the universe, as well as the composition of primordial matter through nucleosynthesis as predicted by the Alpher-Bethe-Gamow theory.[1]

I'm not totally convinced. If the whole Universe came from that hot and dense state of matter, which was there at the beginning of time, then where did that extremely hot and dense state of all the matter in the Universe come from? I sort of believe in the Big Bang, actually, but I think the only way it could have occured would have been because of a Higher Being or a god of some sort. It's impossible that the little ball of energy and matter was just there until it created the Universe. It must have a source.

[Hyper]

Religion:an irrational belief arising from ignorance or fear.

Yeah, basically that sums it up. I'm not with a religion, I think that there are too many blind followers of something that there is no facts of existing.. Frankly, there is more proof of atheism than Christianity. Atheism has real things that they base it on, real hard evidence. Although, at least they admit that most of their theories are just that. Theories. Some have been proven to work like evolution.

Religion is going to die within the next 200 years. Mark my words.

It's just illogical, and everybody knows deep down that it is... Unless you are very old fashioned/brainwashed or uneducated, that is. Why do you think people once believed there was a man that threw thunder at the earth? Or that there was a man that pulled the sun accross the sky by winged-horse chariot...? It was because they had no other way to explain these things. As soon as science discovered why these things happen the religion was proven unworthy and much more vague religions arrose. The more vague a religion is the harder it is to disprove..

It's like if you're trying to guess who a person is and they keep being very vague about what they are like.. "I like to brush my teeth... I'm within a 10 year range of you... I eat daily..."

Basically, Christianity has already been disproven. People are just afraid to admit it. It hasn't been disproved that there is a god, but, it has been disproved that the world was created in 6 days... Christianity did not believe that there was any other worlds than our earth, hell it doesn't believe in space in general.. There is space, fuck, humans have been there! You can't say it simply doesn't exist...

Some faiths have adapted to the fact that space exists, but how can you find something true if it's constantly changing? That obviously means it's not true if they constantly have to change a bunch of shit in their religion so that it actually makes sense with what we've discovered.

In closing, I'd like to state that it is highly possible that there is something of god-like presence. Just, it won't be part of a religion. Religions are like fantasy, a man with 4 arms, a man that can walk on water.. It won't be anything like that. It will be something real that has started the expansion of our universe. It will be something that we will probably discover through study and science.


Flame me, I don't care. All I've given is hard facts and truth, if you can't handle it, tough.


A man with 4 arms qualifies as a myth ;P.. but as I am religious myself I just can tell you dont follow ''facts'' and theories blindly

[Melchi0r]

But I also think that Adam and Eve is a myth.
Humanity isn't sinful just because Adam and Eve ate some fruit that they weren't supposed to... it's silly.

[RowanVer.3.0]

Most religions are silly. Buddhism is the only religion that even makes half-sense to me.. And even it has many flaws in their theories. I think that something had to have made something happen that eventually turned into the creation of man.

This thing is probably god-like, or something... But it's definitely not one of the current religion's gods.

[Makod]

I'm not totally convinced. If the whole Universe came from that hot and dense state of matter, which was there at the beginning of time, then where did that extremely hot and dense state of all the matter in the Universe come from? I sort of believe in the Big Bang, actually, but I think the only way it could have occured would have been because of a Higher Being or a god of some sort. It's impossible that the little ball of energy and matter was just there until it created the Universe. It must have a source.

And that higher being or god comes from..? Looks like you have the same problem all over again.

[DestroyTheFuture]

i'm athiest. good reason too, i'd love to argue about it :)


see, i bet and im assuming that everyone who considers themselves a religion, really knows that its obviously not real, but is too afraid to tell anyone because they dont want people to be mad. so in turn, everyone just passes religion on to the next person and the chain continues.

[Maverick]

That may apply to some people but I wouldn't say that's everyone. Also some stay because they fear going to hell.

[DestroyTheFuture]

yeah, but, hell's not real.

[Maverick]

That's your opinion. Some people believe in it still.

[schrei jess]

yeah, but, hell's not real.

To you it isnt, to Christians it is and Im sure other religions have some sort of version of hell as well.

Personally, I dont understand atheists at all. I am christian, but I am not like hardcore christian and I do not criticize other faiths even though I do not believe them. I believe in God and Jesus, I believe Jesus died to save me and forgives me for my sins, which is amazing to me as I sin a lot and so does everyone else. I believe that God is always there and can help me through anything if I ask him to. I believe that God is love, and that he loves EVERYONE, no matter what. I do not believe some of the things the bible says, for example, I do believe that God made homosexuals that way, and that he will accept them into heaven because he choose for them to be that way. God makes everyone in his image, therefore, you are exactly the way he wanted you to be. And even though I love God and Jesus, I really dont like church and I do not go very often. I also curse a lot and I havent been close to God and Jesus in a long time, though I still believe they are real.

The thing I always say to non-believers or those who dont believe in God is; I'd rather go through life believing and die to find out he doesnt exist than to not believe and die to find out he does. That's one thing that makes me not understand atheists. I guess I get that you think it's stupid to worship something you cant even see and have no "hard" evidence of, but why not? Isnt it better to have something to put your faith in and believe in when times get tough? I just dont understand why they believe not to believe.

[Maverick]

The thing I always say to non-believers or those who dont believe in God is; I'd rather go through life believing and die to find out he doesnt exist than to not believe and die to find out he does. That's one thing that makes me not understand atheists.I used to think like that but to me it considered a one life wasted revolved around something untrue. I only get one life so I figure I'd live it as truthful as possible, not be bound by some security blanket that I believe to be false. I'm not that cowardly to stay with Christianity out of fear of being wrong. If I ever became a Christian later in life, I would be in one because I truly believed it not because "well if its true I got nothing to lose."

[Hyper]

Hmm people who only belive in God because they fear hell won't realy escape their faith :P

[Maverick]

Of course many wouldn't stay with a religion if there wasn't any consequence.

[daydream.angel]

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[daydream.angel]

Okay I'll try this again and won't give the link for the article. Jeez.

Something to think about...




Nature Helps Create Religious Adults

Science Daily — A study published in the current issue of Journal of Personality studied adult male monozygotic (MZ) and dizygotic (DZ) twins to find that difference in religiousness are influenced by both genes and environment. But during the transition from adolescence to adulthood, genetic factors increase in importance while shared environmental factors decrease. Environmental factors (i.e. parenting and family life) influence a child's religiousness, but their effects decline with the transition into adulthood. An analysis of self-reported religiousness showed that MZ twins maintained their religious similarity over time, while the DZ twins became more dissimilar. "These correlations suggest low genetic and high environmental influences when the twins were young but a larger genetic influence as the twins age" the authors state.

Participants for this study were 169 MZ and 104 DZ male twin pairs from Minnesota. Religiousness was tested using self-report of nine items that measured the centrality of religion in their lives. The twins graded the frequency in which they partook in religious activities such as reading scripture or other religious material and the importance of religious faith in daily life. They also reported on their mother's, their father's, and their own religiousness when they were growing up. They were also asked to report on the current and past religiousness of their brother. The factors were divided into subscales-- external aspects of religion, like observing religious holidays, that might be the most susceptible to environmental influence and internal aspects, like seeking help through prayer, that might be the most susceptible to heritable influence. The external items were found to be more environmentally and less genetically influenced during childhood, but more genetically influenced in adulthood. The internal scale showed a similar pattern, but the genetic influences seemed to be slightly larger in childhood compared to the external scale and so more consistent across the two ages.

"Like other personality traits, adult religiousness is heritable, and though changes in religiousness occur during development, it is fairly stable," the authors conclude.

[Gumleaf]

could someone please explain what agnoticism is? thankyou.

[DestroyTheFuture]

its when you cant prove that their is a god or isnt a god.

so your basically open to all religions, or closed to all religions.

also, in my mind, i think that everyone is Agnostic, because i dont think that anyone can prove that their God(s) is/are real.

[Octo22]

Agnostic is more "I could believe it does, could believe it doesn't exist"

Whereas not everyone is agnostic, because some only believe it exists.

[Everglow]

Agnosticism is like you're not sure if there is such a higher power, divine spirit, etc. there are many reasons why someone would choose to be agnostic

[Hyper]

its when you cant prove that their is a god or isnt a god.

so your basically open to all religions, or closed to all religions.

also, in my mind, i think that everyone is Agnostic, because i dont think that anyone can prove that their God(s) is/are real.

That has to be one of the most.. Annoying/stupid arguements/opinions I've ever heard..

[DestroyTheFuture]

That has to be one of the most.. Annoying/stupid arguements/opinions I've ever heard..


how so?

[Makod]

Well, it wasn't really annoying... but it wasn't even close to correct.

Agnosticism is best described as a total absence of faith, whereas the atheist has faith in there being no god, the agnostic has none. An agnostic realizes there is no definite proof one way or another and decides that there may or may not be some sort of divine power; either way "meh."

[Everglow]

I totally agree with the statement that atheism is a faith...because it's faith in there being no higher power..it's faith based off of scientific dogma that discredits the existance of a divine spirit....

You make a great case makod...lol this is starting to remind me when I got in a fight with an atheist....

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Honestly. EVERBODY. Who cares!!! AHHH!!!! Believe what you want to believe, just don't try to press your beliefs on others (religious people AND ATHIESTS!). Everyone can share what they believe, just don't ram it down eachother's throats!

BTW Hooray for Jesus!
(see! that wasn't so bad!)

[xTheLordsServantx]

Athiesm (sp?) is a faith. It is just like Christianity, Islam or Hinduism. While there is one right faith, we do not know which one that is. So, I'm not going to tell you that Christianity is 100% the right choice...but I will tell you to go with what your heart and soul tells you.

Thanks
God Bless

[Enkoi]

I can only say I'm Catholic, I believe in pretty much everything except the strict traditions about marriage and such, and that's mostly because every guy I dated has not been Catholic. I want to get married to any one of any religion who ever he may be and I don't want it to be a fight, even though I cannot guarentee that. It's just a dream. My bf now is protestant but I don't feel that's too far off, really.
I have to say I am VERY religious though, and I pray and believe in God and have and follow the basic morals. I used to read the bible a lot...(what happened?).

I'll figure it out. And I dont critize or poke at other religions because my religion respects other's beliefs even if we disagree (we're supposed to). My religion is basically there to teach anyone they can to live as good people so we can rejoice in heaven with God. That's my basic idea. I want to live a full life. A life of meaning. Although hapiness and meaning can't be one in life, but I wan't one of them. I don't know.

I only know in my life the Lord exsists because he's been there for me so much when I called for him. I feel I must make him happy and be his child.

I once wanted to be a deacon, and spend more time in the Lords house. Woman can be deacons!! =D


-My two cents.

[DomSoulWraith]

What I think about this whole issue is that one person is right, wether it's the islam, hindu, buddhists, catholics, scientologists (and/or athiest..) et cetera. One of those many religions is right and ONLY one. (I'm sorry to say) We may go to hell or just simply be devoured by bacteria and be in an endless dream or go to heaven and meet Christ. Right now I'm leaning toward the scientific theory of evolution and you just stop being. You can't imagine it because you never think about it. It seems impossible, but try to compare that to the electrons that dis and re-appear that make up all "matter" This isn't quantum mechanics, but that seems impossible but it was proven fact. The "white light" people say they've seen is the last functioning brain waves your brain have for a few minutes after your heart stops (that explains that). Most "miracles" or any other religios phenomenom can be explained by science. Not to say some can't be explained. That's one man's opinion. I'd like to here others. I'm still trying to make up my mind, but that's what I believe so far.

[DouggyO.o]

I voted a long time ago...i am currently agnostic though....not christian.

[xTheLordsServantx]

I can only say I'm Catholic, I believe in pretty much everything except the strict traditions about marriage and such, and that's mostly because every guy I dated has not been Catholic. I want to get married to any one of any religion who ever he may be and I don't want it to be a fight, even though I cannot guarentee that. It's just a dream. My bf now is protestant but I don't feel that's too far off, really.
I have to say I am VERY religious though, and I pray and believe in God and have and follow the basic morals. I used to read the bible a lot...(what happened?).

I'll figure it out. And I dont critize or poke at other religions because my religion respects other's beliefs even if we disagree (we're supposed to). My religion is basically there to teach anyone they can to live as good people so we can rejoice in heaven with God. That's my basic idea. I want to live a full life. A life of meaning. Although hapiness and meaning can't be one in life, but I wan't one of them. I don't know.

I only know in my life the Lord exsists because he's been there for me so much when I called for him. I feel I must make him happy and be his child.

I once wanted to be a deacon, and spend more time in the Lords house. Woman can be deacons!! =D


-My two cents.

Amen to that and I agree 100% with everything you said. God Bless you!

What I think about this whole issue is that one person is right, wether it's the islam, hindu, buddhists, catholics, scientologists (and/or athiest..) et cetera. One of those many religions is right and ONLY one. (I'm sorry to say) We may go to hell or just simply be devoured by bacteria and be in an endless dream or go to heaven and meet Christ. Right now I'm leaning toward the scientific theory of evolution and you just stop being. You can't imagine it because you never think about it. It seems impossible, but try to compare that to the electrons that dis and re-appear that make up all "matter" This isn't quantum mechanics, but that seems impossible but it was proven fact. The "white light" people say they've seen is the last functioning brain waves your brain have for a few minutes after your heart stops (that explains that). Most "miracles" or any other religios phenomenom can be explained by science. Not to say some can't be explained. That's one man's opinion. I'd like to here others. I'm still trying to make up my mind, but that's what I believe so far.

As for this, there is a lot to be said in response to this.

First off, I respect you for having your own beliefs and having the courage to openly admit those beliefs. But before you close the door to Christianity, I ask you to take a look at a few things:

God is so great. As a Christian, I believe that He sent his son Jesus Christ to die for all of our sins. Now I know there are "scientific" explanations for Jesus' miracles...but what about the small things in life that prove God's existence. I have read several books that use science not to disprove God, but to rather show his existence. Another thing I ask you is you said that we stop existing. So does that mean we have no soul? While I understand your viewpoint, I would have to say that I KNOW FOR A FACT that I have a living soul because it tells me when I am doing something that God would not want me to do. And for the white light thing, I have read about people who have not experienced the white light, but have rather seen Hell (there was even a show about Heaven and Hell on dateline NBC on Friday the 13th lol).

Lastly, I really like how you said you want to hear from others. That tells me that you are an open-minded individual, and for that I thank God! And I ask you one thing - that you keep that open-mind and try looking for God because I guarantee that you will find Him.

I love you and I can feel the Holy Spirit as I am writing this. GOD BLESS YOU! You are truly a child of Christ!

[Trademarked]

In my opinion: god doesnt exist. i dont believe in any religion, and i think people who believe in god are idiots. it BUGS THE HELL OUT OF ME when a person of any religion acts condescendingly towards me, or anyone non-religious. my dad was talking badly about bush with his friends and a woman walked by and said to him "i'll pray for you". watching an argument on youtube with a man who did not believe in god, and a woman who did, the woman said she will ask god to save him, even though he had sinned badly. people who bring religion into EVERYTHING is the most annoying thing ever, that is truly the one thing that bugs me the most. if anybody tries to shove religion down my throat i swear i'll murder them.


that's my opinion!

[serial-thrilla]

In my opinion: god doesnt exist. i dont believe in any religion, and i think people who believe in god are idiots. it BUGS THE HELL OUT OF ME when a person of any religion acts condescendingly towards me, or anyone non-religious. my dad was talking badly about bush with his friends and a woman walked by and said to him "i'll pray for you". watching an argument on youtube with a man who did not believe in god, and a woman who did, the woman said she will ask god to save him, even though he had sinned badly. people who bring religion into EVERYTHING is the most annoying thing ever, that is truly the one thing that bugs me the most. if anybody tries to shove religion down my throat i swear i'll murder them.


that's my opinion! sorry to say but you sound like much more of an idiot then the religious fanatics. to simply say anyone who believes in god is an idiot is totally ignorant and frankly stupid. Noone really knows the mysterys of life. what proof do you have that some higher being or "god" doesent exist? Im not a religious person but im very open to the fact that we may very well have been created by something greater then us.

[Trademarked]

sorry to say but you sound like much more of an idiot then the religious fanatics. to simply say anyone who believes in god is an idiot is totally ignorant and frankly stupid. Noone really knows the mysterys of life. what proof do you have that some higher being or "god" doesent exist? Im not a religious person but im very open to the fact that we may very well have been created by something greater then us.

i dont have any proof that there isn't a god or higher being, but what proof does anyone who believes in god have that he does exist? i believe all things can be sorted out by science. and i may seem like an idiot to you, but they seem like idiots to me. just from different viewpoints

[Octo22]

i dont have any proof that there isn't a god or higher being, but what proof does anyone who believes in god have that he does exist? i believe all things can be sorted out by science. and i may seem like an idiot to you, but they seem like idiots to me. just from different viewpoints

You hate religious extremists/fanatics from what you've said about condescending religious followers.

I have a Catholic teacher, who asks people their religion and then asks them their personal beliefs and how they came to be. He's one of the most intelligent men I know and he was open towards anything, even athiests. But if you go in thinking they're ALL WRONG, then they'll be all wrong, because you'll never notice the good religion can do in the world.

[Trademarked]

because you'll never notice the good religion can do in the world.

exactly what i was talking about. i'm sorry i sound like such a jerk, but im sure this world can do just fine without religion as well. if there weren't religion, people wouldnt have as much to argue about, if there weren't religion, more people would be united, instead of divided by their beliefs.

[Octo22]

Your points work both ways.

Without religion more people would be divided on issue's they differ on ;D
They'd surely find new things to argue about.

Religion is our history, and I personally am glad it exists. On a personal level, it can be very fulfilling.

[serial-thrilla]

i dont have any proof that there isn't a god or higher being, but what proof does anyone who believes in god have that he does exist? i believe all things can be sorted out by science. and i may seem like an idiot to you, but they seem like idiots to me. just from different viewpoints noone has proof that "god" does or does not exist. There are many mysterys that even science cannot sort out.

[Neverender]

im anglican, they aren't against pleasure and happyness. now i dont want to offend any1, but, the catholic church is against lots of things, they don't want you 2 have pleasure and sex they want you to magically grow a baby inside you so it cant come out when we all realize that the baby cant come out because the girl hasn't been penetrated. you no what im saying?

[Whisper]

First off, I respect you for having your own beliefs and having the courage to openly admit those beliefs. But before you close the door to Christianity, I ask you to take a look at a few things:

I love you and I can feel the Holy Spirit as I am writing this. GOD BLESS YOU! You are truly a child of Christ!

I have no problem with you expressing your belifs
were a free people and we all have the right to express how we feel

but I dont ever want to see you shove your religion onto others again
its wrong and not allowed here
no bible thumping


you've been warned

[HopeScratchMcDougal]

I checked both "Agnostic" and "Christian", because I'm a fairly agnostic Christian.

I don't believe in Creationism, because I refuse to believe that there were vegetarian velocirapters that dined with Adam and Eve (see here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/drjonboyg/526904756/in/set-72157600301874014/)).

I just don't like the way conventional Christianity tends to be presented. that's why I'm not at church too often.

And just for kicks, here's (http://flickr.com/photos/rauchdickson/650858827/) something else at the Creationist Museum that may offend you.

EDIT: I don't believe in Evolution either. Just doesn't fit the text of the bible.

[RunningFree]

Heh.. Religion?

I guess I'm fairly open about religions. You can have your beliefs and what-not if you don't shove it down somebody else's throat.

I, myself, am not really into the main religions. After being at a Seventh-Day Adventist school for 6 years I left, the religion being a main part as it started to get more and more strict with it. A teacher was teaching about the Bible in a Science class. I really don't get that.

I like to believe in re-incarnation, but I'm not too sure. If I had to class myself in a faith, it would probably have to be Paganism, or Agnostic.

[Camazotz]

Im Cathloc(ugh, bad spelling day). I believe in Christ and God and the Holy Bible. I have a question though. Whats the difference between Presbetyrian and Cathloc?

[Frosty]

What I think about this whole issue is that one person is right, wether it's the islam, hindu, buddhists, catholics, scientologists (and/or athiest..) et cetera. One of those many religions is right and ONLY one. (I'm sorry to say) We may go to hell or just simply be devoured by bacteria and be in an endless dream or go to heaven and meet Christ. Right now I'm leaning toward the scientific theory of evolution and you just stop being. You can't imagine it because you never think about it. It seems impossible, but try to compare that to the electrons that dis and re-appear that make up all "matter" This isn't quantum mechanics, but that seems impossible but it was proven fact. The "white light" people say they've seen is the last functioning brain waves your brain have for a few minutes after your heart stops (that explains that). Most "miracles" or any other religios phenomenom can be explained by science. Not to say some can't be explained. That's one man's opinion. I'd like to here others. I'm still trying to make up my mind, but that's what I believe so far.

maybe the correct one hasn't been invinted/discovered yet......

[Frosty]

great sample of 96 people wow! /sarcasm

[Maverick]

great sample of 96 people wow! /sarcasm
I will ask that you keep posts in this forum constructive and that you be mature. Thanks.

[Sage]

maybe the correct one hasn't been invinted/discovered yet......

There is no globally correct religion. We all have our own beliefs, ones that we as individuals believe are 'correct'. Your logic is flawed.

[xTheLordsServantx]

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I have no problem with you expressing your belifs
were a free people and we all have the right to express how we feel

but I dont ever want to see you shove your religion onto others again
its wrong and not allowed here
no bible thumping


you've been warned

I don't understand what you are saying when you say not to shove my religion "down people's throats." I really do not think I was doing that. Instead I was asking people to try to look at the love and hope that believing in God gives us. Unfortunately, you mistaked as me forcing religion down people's throats. I have experienced the joy and happiness that comes from having faith in God! And I politely ask all of you to look to God for the answers for all of your problems. He is not an argry God, but a loving and forgiving God. If you are further interseted in the way Chrisitianity REALLY WORKS, please feel free to PM me or check out this site: www.gotquestions.org (http://www.gotquestions.org)

God Bless you all!

[Dolphus Raymond]

I am an agnostic. I do not think I am smart enough to truly know the existence of God. I also do not see God's existence as likely enough to justify following a religion, and could probably never follow a religion that required me to be absolutely certain.

I definitely respect religions for their humanist aspects, though. Even if I can't believe it, I try to do my best to respect belief.

[Tatsuya]

i`m islam......and islam are not evil......we are just strict......we have to wear properly clothes.....no belly buttons or boobs popping from anyway....really beliveve in islam coz it the most logical and truelful religion ever!(everybody things like that to their religion).....do not mock muslims....huhu:yeah:

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

I agree with Taoru. We really should leave the Muslims alone. I am Hardcore Athiest, I just think that evolution makes perfect sense, and that god was invented by man to explain things we didnt know back then. Now, that we have advanced science, religion, in my view promotes ignorance. And, about "respecting" others beliefs, I could do that, if it wasnt shoved in my face every day....

[Whisper]

Muslims think were infidels
Muslim extremists no offense but there seems to be allot of them lately want to kill us solely because we don't have the same religious views
and I'm not all that happy with how they treat their lady's either

nor am i happy that they want there sons to carry a sharp DAGGER around in our schools
or that the women want to be able to vote to decide who our gov will be while wearing a veil so we have no way to ID them to make sure there not coming in more then once and that they are infact an actual Canadian citizen

[Dolphus Raymond]

Muslims think were infidels

"Infidel" just means "non-believer." I don't think it's fair to generalize broadly, though. There are Muslims who respectfully disagree with Christian beliefs too.

Muslim extremists no offense but there seems to be allot of them lately want to kill us solely because we don't have the same religious views

I doubt you'll run into many Muslim extremists here, on the Internet, or even in the Muslim world itself...

nor am i happy that they want there sons to carry a sharp DAGGER around in our schools

Then take issue with those. I doubt most Muslims carry daggers in school.

or that the women want to be able to vote to decide who our gov will be while wearing a veil so we have no way to ID them to make sure there not coming in more then once and that they are infact an actual Canadian citizen

They still need to have ID, and someone to vouch for them. Besides, there are plenty of Canadians who vote by mail and aren't made to approach the same standards. I really doubt there's going to be much fraud under this rule. They'd have to massively make fake IDs, and then have conspirators to vouch for them.

Voting by mail would just be an easier way to defraud...

[LateForTheSky]

Muslims extremeists dont exist. As they are not practising their religion, many muslims come on the TV and say they are being persecuted because of these people giving muslims a bad name.

Another thing abou muslims is the head scarf or whatever its called. In britain they are aloud to wear them when most people would have to remove say a hoddie. Terrorists use this as a disgise sometimes and I think britain is very tolerant to other world religions andi think its not their place to say that they want this and they want that when they arnt even british. Granted some of them are british and are muslim but only they should get to have a say in what happens in britain

[Attax]

Christian right here

[dem.re.cmd.exe]

I am an agnostic. I do not think I am smart enough to truly know the existence of God. I also do not see God's existence as likely enough to justify following a religion, and could probably never follow a religion that required me to be absolutely certain.

I definitely respect religions for their humanist aspects, though. Even if I can't believe it, I try to do my best to respect belief.

Anyone can understand the existence of God. It's what you think He/She (or multiple He/She's) want you to do that is what makes everyone fight about which religion is the "right" train of thought. I, personally, was atheist for the longest time, but now I might actually convert to Greek Orthodox. I'm not sure why though. That religion just seemed to come apart from the rest.


Muslims extremeists dont exist.

Really? Then, who might be defending themselves from the U.S.A. troops in Iraq? They are Muslim! (No offense towards and Muslims in the audience!) The only thing is that how do we know when a religion is being taken to the extreme? Who's definition of "extreme" are we looking at? The leader of our country? Their country? The "extremists" themselves? Is it when someone/people is/are dying? You know, I understand why George went to war, but wouldn't you think about who did it first? He did, but he didn't think about it for long. It was a poorly executed plan, by a college flunk (literally, he flunked, the only reason he graduated was because his father paid for four years in one check.)


I may have somewhere in that mass of debatable statements overstepped my boundaries, so sorry in advanced.

[rEpReSsIoN.?]

Islam, Hinduism, Judaism and Christainty all treat their women badly each of there holy books has something in modern day terms sounds offencive e.g.

"When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be punished; for the slave is his money."
..........Exodus 21:20
or


"For the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does..."
..........1 Corinthians 7:4

oh i'm wiccan its very self empowering and does not have to include god and is open to modern science

[crazyguy]

I agree with Taoru. We really should leave the Muslims alone. I am Hardcore Athiest, I just think that evolution makes perfect sense, and that god was invented by man to explain things we didnt know back then. Now, that we have advanced science, religion, in my view promotes ignorance. And, about "respecting" others beliefs, I could do that, if it wasnt shoved in my face every day....

I agree 100% Everythng in religons was created to explain something that could not currently be explained. Plus, people generally look up to others (role models, etc...) and believing in a god promotes this. It also gives people a reason to live.

[Hyper]

I agree 100% Everythng in religons was created to explain something that could not currently be explained. Plus, people generally look up to others (role models, etc...) and believing in a God (I capitalize out of respect and because it's his/their name a lot) promotes this. It also gives people a reason to live (I do find it a little depressing as an aithiest).

Lol.. I find it alot more depressing that a huge percentage of the world just lives for ''pleasure'' ( By that I mostly mean sexual.. And capitalistic pleasure as in owning expensive things.. ) But hey thats just my evil religious view on it! /sarcasm

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I'm Christian, but I agree with MANY of the gripes some people have with my religion. My main concern is the fanatics that most people see on tv that condemn everyone to Hell for all of eternity and blah blah blah the point is they give Christians a bad name, and should not be associated with Christians (if they were alive at the time of Christ he would have called them hypocrites and Pharisees). I have no qualms with the beliefs of others; I believe in God and Jesus, whatever you believe, well that's your business and I have NO RIGHT to ram my own belief system down your throat. Of course I could educate people on what exactly it is I believe, but hey they have the exact same right to tell me about their religion and what they believe in also.

Honestly I think there would be a lot less aggrivation for all parties if we all did something like that... of course that will never happen. Oh well....

[Hyper]

I'm Christian, but I agree with MANY of the gripes some people have with my religion. My main concern is the fanatics that most people see on tv that condemn everyone to Hell for all of eternity and blah blah blah the point is they give Christians a bad name, and should not be associated with Christians (if they were alive at the time of Christ he would have called them hypocrites and Pharisees). I have no qualms with the beliefs of others; I believe in God and Jesus, whatever you believe, well that's your business and I have NO RIGHT to ram my own belief system down your throat. Of course I could educate people on what exactly it is I believe, but hey they have the exact same right to tell me about their religion and what they believe in also.

Honestly I think there would be a lot less aggrivation for all parties if we all did something like that... of course that will never happen. Oh well....

To be honest.. I call those loonies on TV ''American Christians''.. Seriously I have never seen anyone else, who isn't American and who belives in God be like that.. As in completly hateful and such.

EDIT: That doesn't mean all Americans who are Christians are loonies to me.. Just people who support the death penatly typically and say their christian or in general that they belive in God

[western ninja]

Well I have been raised as a Christian, but I like the idea of reincarnation....

[crazyguy]

Lol.. I find it alot more depressing that a huge percentage of the world just lives for ''pleasure'' ( By that I mostly mean sexual.. And capitalistic pleasure as in owning expensive things.. ) But hey thats just my evil religious view on it! /sarcasm

Not all aethiests are that bad. I, for instence am actually a really nice guy and was raised that way. Although I do not believe in a god, I do think it is important for people to have some type of good nature. Religions help with this and I actually hope they don't cease to exist. (I know it's a little weird) Besides, people have their own right to believe what they want to believe. The only religious people I have a problem with are those who force their religion on others.

[Maverick]

Although I do not believe in a God (again, I capitalize out of respect)
Its nothing to do with respect. "God" and "a god" aren't the same thing. God capitalized is referring to a specific one rather "a god" is just generally speaking with no particular god in mind.

[MAXD88]

I believe that a higher being or power is a plausible concept.
However, I think most if not all religious beliefs are utter nonsense. Were not capable of understanding the universe entirely, and explaining it with our own "human" terminology and concepts isn't possible. I don't think science can explain it all either.

[*Dissident*]

When people ask me what my beliefs are, I kind of groan and laugh on the inside. It makes me uncomfortable to try to put my beliefs into words, because my belief is so...well, its unable to be vocalized. I guess I believe in some sort of other-wordly force, but... its hard to describe. I laugh at the entire concept of putting ones faith into anything so vulgar as the english (or any other) language. God is too vast to talk about in casual conversation, or in internet forums.

[introspect]

Religion doesn't always cause problems, anyone who thinks that is a cynic, albeit it may at times cause problems. I am a Jewish agnostic I suppose I'm not sure whats out there and I have no way of knowing, I enjoy Jewish customs and what not and so thats why I attend synagogue and call myself Jewish.

[crazyguy]

Its nothing to do with respect. "God" and "a god" aren't the same thing. God capitalized is referring to a specific one rather "a god" is just generally speaking with no particular god in mind.

Yeah, I guess that's true. I think I'll edit what I said. Sorry about that everyone. (I feel so embaressed now)

[Goth_ben]

I don't believe in god. I don't believe in any kind of religious philosophy or anything similer. It maks me angry to even think about the horrors of religion. I think we should all burn our bibles.

I did hear an interesting idology from a friend of mine though. He said, that this is what he got from the bible:

In the beginning god created a perfect world. And there was no sin or hate or any of that. But there was an uprising in heaven and Lucifer, God's most prized angel, was cast out of Heaven down into the pits of hell ((werever this "hell" is)) along with 2/3 of the angels of heaven. Satan then began to "fuck" with gods perfect world, tainting humankind. This created free will. A good against evil kind of dilema. And this tension between good and evil, between satan and god, will eventually snap, and the war of armageddon will be upon us. Humans simply cought in a power struggle between two heavenly beings. But we are the last army, whos side do we choose?

And the bible is so contradictory and BS becasue god is an absent god. He allows us to live independently and satan taints us. So literally, even the bible is no pure.


Its all bs of course. But interesting sounding. Would make a good book ((HAHAHAHAHAHA))



excuse me....ahem( GSCE early ebtry student for RE rant follows) what actualy gives you the right to criticise other religions and beleifs in such a discriminatory and downright arrogant way? The story of adam and eve is widley accepted as a parable( a made up explanation in other words) of the cretion so that our ancestors could come to grips with the reason why we are here. I am not ( and i hope other christians aren't) saying that we have all the answers and, i must admit ,some christian ideas a wack, but that does not give you ther right to attack a faith. Also God gave us freedom, like you give a child you love freedom, so that we can be our selves; so that we have free expresion we also must have a choice. god loves us and wants us to be free, so he DOESN'T interfere. So there you go, put that in a pipe and smoke it!!!

[western ninja]

I don't think he was trying to offend anybody I just think he was expressing his views

[Hyper]

I don't think he was trying to offend anybody I just think he was expressing his views

Right.. Certainly that post kolte made offended anybody -.-

[Whisper]

I agree with kolte

[A.J.]

Heres the way I see it. Those right-wing christian high horse jack asses are bad examples of christian people. I think that their is some form of higher power but for the most part religion seems like a scape-goat for all of societys problems and something to blame. I think you should be grateful for everything you have and not follow a religion or belief because your family does or because you get brainwashed by the church, its expressing faith in your own way.

[Goth_ben]

Heres the way I see it. Those right-wing christian high horse jack asses are bad examples of christian people. I think that their is some form of higher power but for the most part religion seems like a scape-goat for all of societys problems and something to blame. .


are you talking about me here?

[*Dissident*]

I dont think he was...it seemed more like he was speaking of the "wack" christians, not you.

[archangel]

I am a Catholic Christian. And I have nothing else in my life that makes me more proud. While the fact that I am a 15 year old boy does make me disagree with certain aspects of the religion, overall it is a good thing. I've gotten over bashing other religions a long time ago because it is definitely not worth it.

Obviously everyone has the right to be atheist or agnostic. But I must ask; do you still celebrate Christmas? or Easter? If you truly believe in your Atheist beliefs then you should be able to easily give up Christmas celebrations (including gifts) or the fun of Easter time.

I do believe that Atheo/Agno people do seem to bash Christianity more than vice-versa. I would just say that you should keep your pessimistic empty beliefs to yourself and let everyone else enjoy their faith.

PS. Kolte's blatant disrespect for stories in the Bible is disgusting. I do not believe the Bible literally (ie. Jonah did not really go into the whale etc). But it is still the most printed, translated, and read book on the planet. It guides the morality and the lives of billions. What gives mighty Kolte the power to say so?

haha ok this is a funny bit: This website is loaded with Gays, liberal socialist hippies, and Atheists. But as a Catholic I can still accept that continue contributing.

[Whisper]

:hmm:
I love how you stated that you wouldn't bash at the beginning of you post
then proceeded with...this: haha ok this is a funny bit: This website is loaded with Gays, liberal socialist hippies, and Atheists. But as a Catholic I can still accept that continue contributing.

I'm so happy that you can "accept"
all of us in such a kind manner
such a good lil Christian boy
:roll:

[*Dissident*]

Wow. That last part was pretty bad man. Bashing gays, liberals, and atheists doesnt sound "tolerant" to me.

[archangel]

Umm I am terribly sorry if you happen to misconstrue my statement as bashing. I learned two years ago when i first joined here, on a different account, that bashing would definitely not be tolerated. I was merely stating that it is funny to me who is used to such a sheltered environment to be amidst the diverse community. I apologize for any hurt feelings. Sorry. :(

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

Thanks for straightening that out

[normanford]

by the way, why does everyone hate the jews?

[Hyper]

by the way, why does everyone hate the jews?

They basically controll capitalism and the invented it..

[Xarra]

by the way, why does everyone hate the jews?

i hate jews!!!!:mad:

[Underground_Network]

I'm surprised I've never posted in here... But I'm technically Jewish.. made an attempt at Laveyanism but I'm too lazy for religion.. so I consider myself agnostic.. And Xarra, I was just wondering, why do you hate Jews? Isn't that prejudicial? Not all Jews are the same.

[goin to work]

well u do most outher ppl hate jews becuse of the fact that they do not condone islam and they do not suport the rest of the christiananaty also becuse they do not blever in jesus no i do not hate jews i lik them becuse they give me money

[Tatsuya]

well...i dont like them nor hate them....but they shouldnt do that to muslims like us......but pls zarra.....dont just say like that......there are jews here....:)...at least respect them..

[goin to work]

u all rliize that cristians muslams and jews worship the same peroson a god we all whrop god

jesus true mohamad and jew it all is the same thing

[Tatsuya]

lol actually muhammad is the prophet lol...its Allah that is our god.....and btw.....jesus is Prophet Isa In Islam history...long story.......cant explain..:P

[normanford]

so we're jealous of them?

[madness]

if i remember in the islam faith where Muhammad is buried there is an empty grave next to him for jesus
may be metaphorical cant remember

[Tatsuya]

nope thats wrong lol........actually jesus was called Isa in islam...and Isa was brought to heaven....so thats mean that he didnt have any grave...he is one of the Prophets in Islam..:)

[goin to work]

there the same person in two forms in islam

[archangel]

by the way, why does everyone hate the jews?


I like the jews, but mainly just because of Adam Sandler and how Israel kicks ass.

[Serenity]

I like the jews, but mainly just because of Adam Sandler and how Israel kicks ass.

Wow you are so good at debating. That was a great point, seriously.

[archangel]

Wow you are so good at debating. That was a great point, seriously.

yeah im not so sure if that was sarcastic or not...

because my post wasn't meant to be anything persuasive...

i was merely interjecting an opinion, not attempting to put forth anything substantial

[Bobby]

It was Sarcasm.

[archangel]

yeah, well then i REALLY appreciate that comment. Because, it was REALLY called for!

[Xarra]

I'm surprised I've never posted in here... But I'm technically Jewish.. made an attempt at Laveyanism but I'm too lazy for religion.. so I consider myself agnostic.. And Xarra, I was just wondering, why do you hate Jews? Isn't that prejudicial? Not all Jews are the same.

yeah...i'm so sorry if my wordhave hurt all jewish's heart!!!i'm so sorry...by the way,not all muslim are the same..:(

[Doc.]

I am Agnostic, there is no factual evidence supporting a omnipotent, all powerful being (or beings) and to me, faith isn't good enough. In my mind, religion is a tool. Something dictators use to sway people with or pit them against each other. It provides a crutch for those who can't stand up and say "this is my fault." It does have good aspects though, it provided sanity in a lawless, unstructured and confusing time throughout the history of the world. It also explained things that (at the time) where unexplainable. However, science now has an answer to almost absolutely everything. Leaving religion and its vague and misguiding answers obsolete.

[Hyper]

I am Agnostic, there is no factual evidence supporting a omnipotent, all powerful being (or beings) and to me, faith isn't good enough. In my mind, religion is a tool. Something dictators use to sway people with or pit them against each other. It provides a crutch for those who can't stand up and say "this is my fault." It does have good aspects though, it provided sanity in a lawless, unstructured and confusing time throughout the history of the world. It also explained things that (at the time) where unexplainable. However, science now has an answer to almost absolutely everything. Leaving religion and its vague and misguiding answers obsolete.

Yeah most people say that '' science has the answers for almost everything ''

But when you open your little eyes you notice that this factual science changes once in awhile, and that most of it is just an assumption as a theory not a fact.

[Doc.]

Yet you believe some mystical being controls everything? The vagueness of the bible and the factually incorrect statements in it?

[Serenity]

the factually incorrect statements in it?

Such as?

[Doc.]

I really don't feel like typing everything out so I'll give you a handy dandy link, also you can google search incorrect statements in the bible if you need more. Hell, I'll do it for ya!

http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/science-has-it-proved-bible-wrong.html

http://www.google.com/search?q=incorrect+statements+in+the+bible&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3DVFA_enUS243US243

[Serenity]

I really don't feel like typing everything out so I'll give you a handy dandy link

Wow. You're a pretty fierce debator, huh.

[Doc.]

I dunno if that's a complement or not but uh I guess so, personally, I thought I was being somewhat rude there so I'm sorry for that. I just get defensive when it comes to my views, it's a habit I picked up over the last few years. (they've been hell)

[Hyper]

Yet you believe some mystical being controls everything? The vagueness of the bible and the factually incorrect statements in it?

And yet you assume I belive a mystical creature controls everything and that I read the bible and go to church right?

Well you almost got it.. Except I don't fit in any church and I havent read the entire bible..

But yes I do belive in the ''creature'' you see as ''mystical'' (God)

:P

[Kaleidoscope Eyes]

I'm what you might call eclectic, though my faith is based in Pagan and Wiccan beliefs (Paganism is a wide range of religions and Wicca is one of them. Sort of like how Christianity has many different branches, with slight differences in beliefs). I'm not religious so much as spiritual; that is, I don't believe so much in a spirit overlooking us and, depending on how you look at it, even controlling us. I believe in the power within us all to change ourselves, change our world. Before we can change, we have to understand, and something I'm big on is realizing that the world is not all good nor all evil. Many pagans these days seem to have become so focused on proving to the world that we're not evil, that there is no reason to persecute us, and thus go crazy with the "white magick". But white means nothing without black to show the difference. As one of my favorite people that I've never met, Raven Digitalis, says in his book Goth Craft, "We cannot evolve without the humility to face that which we have pushed aside. Nature itself is light and dark, creative and destructive. If we ignore this in our own practice, delusion becomes kin."

My study of spirituality, discovering what I believe and can identify with, has changed my life. Something was missing for me before I found this, something huge. I've always felt sensitive to energy, and I've learned a lot about spiritual energy through my studies. I believe that by altering our own energy, we can affect that of others. Ever notice how when you're with someone who's pissed off, even if they don't say anything to you about it, you start feeling angry too? Ever hear someone laugh, truly laugh at something, and find that you can't keep yourself from grinning? It's the exact same concept. That's what magick as about (I use the 'k' not to look more goth-like, but to distinguish from the parlor tricks seen in magic shows). It's not about whipping out your magic wand and turning people into frogs, it's not like Harry Potter making a batch of Polyjuice Potion, it's not like the girls in Charmed with their big book of spells, none of that. One of the few guidelines to magick, is that no one is supposed to work a "spell" to directly affect someone else without their permission, and perhaps the "golden rule" of witchcraft is "'An it harm none, do what you will." Simple enough, right? Magick isn't an exact science, what feels good for one might be weird for another, and there is definitely no giant book of spells. I won't go crazy talking about every little detail, but if you want more info on the general Pagan and/or Wiccan religions, Google it. There's a lot of info out there.

Paganism is earth-based, and to me the earth represents life which is just so beautiful, so amazing. I don't fully understand it, where this beauty comes from, but I really truly appreciate it. I could spend days just sitting outside under a tree, listening to the wind, the birds, the insects, watching the sun and the moon shift positions in the sky... If I could build a house with a glass roof, I would. I like walls because they allow me privacy from those who might look in when I don't want them to, but I hate roofs, looking up to see nothing but that popcorn texture, flat and meaningless. I love to see the sky, to pick a random star and to just think about all the distance between it and myself. If I could travel to that star and talk to it about it's life, what would it say? To know the things that star has seen... one could have such an understanding of where we are now.

I love learning new things, I love finding something that interests me and researching it until my brain is saturated with facts and stories and ideas. I feel like I'll never be able to learn enough. I long to be immortal, not because I fear death (death will come for me when it comes, and that's all there is to it), but because I feel that one lifetime isn't enough. I want to travel the world, reading through libraries, studying ancient texts, observing the world around me change. I would never get bored of that. People have asked me "Wouldn't you miss your friends and family? Everyone you know would die at some point, and you'd be alone." As selfish as it sounds, I'd get over it. My boyfriend understands the way I see the world, he sees it that way too. We talk about our beliefs and both end up saying more-or-less the same thing every time, with little differences here and there but the main idea stays the same. If there was a way to become immortal, I'd take him with me. To have no long-term companions but him forever... I like having friends but he's the only one I could deal with forever, and if I were to only be able to have him, I'd be alright.

It seems I've strayed a bit, but the main idea here is that I don't have a set of beliefs you could find in any one source. I've got Pagan roots but don't subscribe to the Lord and Lady deal. I'm into Animism, but there's more to it. So I thought I'd explain a bit of what goes on in my head when I think religion. If I've confused anyone, I'm sorry.

[Emryl]

I'm a non-denominational Christian.
It means I fit in no particular denomination. Baptist, Catholic, (YES catholicism is a denomination) Methodist, etc.
I believe you must not go by blind faith, but instead, find the answer for yourself.
I believe in ghosts. I know I am not crazy about that and do not think they are demons.
I am very open to the belief in aliens, but i am a skeptic when it comes to this.
The bible does not eliminate the chance of aliens, nor does it say there is.
I believe in the trinity, Jesus was the savior of sins, the messiah. I believe that the Earth was created in 6 days and on the 7th he rested.
I do not hate atheists. I do not hate Muslims. I do not hate Buddhists. I only hate those that are racist, or extremist.
Fundamental Christians are the worst type of Christians.
I think the Pope isn't doing his job correctly.
Homosexuality is not a sin when your saved.

I think there's more but I don't wanna list them. =D

And anybody who tries to put me down with ANTI-CHRISTIAN comments are the worst in their faith.

[The Entertainer]

The closest belief I have is Deism. In other words, a God created the Universe, and then sat back, and has no role in how the universe evolved. Aristotle believed that God died when he created the universe, not one of my binding beliefs though.
In short, the Bible for me, is a historical document outlining moral practices that we can abide by. In terms of our place in the Universe, I think we are so small that God cannot have the role he has in our world that people think he has. Our world is 4.5 billion years old, our species a mere 4 million years old, why would God choose to speak to us now? To digress, if elephants were the most evolved species on the planet 2000 years ago, would Jesus have come down in the form of an elephant?!
We are, after all, only intelligent animals surely? Have we been chosen to evolve as the superior species by God, or is it random chance? On top of this, our place in the universe is so small its effectively non-existent.
Consider, there are billions and billions of stars in the Milky Way alone, there are potentially hundreds of millions of galaxies in the universe, and even then, a perfect possibility that there are billions of universes. I like to imagine it as our universe is the equivalent of 1 atom in this universe, and this universe is one atom in another universe and so on....(makes my head hurt!)
As far as the Big Bang is concerned, it would seen unscientific to attribute the cause as God, (though it could be very possible), but then, why did he choose to create the universe 13.7 billion years ago? What was it that inspired him, after an eternity of being in nothing, to create something?
As the philosopher Betrand Russell would say "The universe, just is". In other words, we cannot ever find out the cause of the universe, we just have to accept that we are here now.
Interestingly a modern theory that develops on the idea of the Big Bang has been put forward is this:

Space and time, as has been proven, have to exist with each other. If you take one away, the other cannot exist, and therefore we cannot exist. Einstein's Special Theory (or was it his General theory?) of Relativity proved this. The universe, as we believe we know, came from a single point, an area that was so compact and tiny it lacked any sort of dimensions (known as the singularity). This, 13.7 billion years ago decided to expand rapidly and create the universe*. This is where it gets interesting:
When something expands or blows up etc...youd expect it to expand really quickly at first and then slow down as it got further away. It happens on earth with practically anything. Well, when scientists looked to the edge of the cosmos, they found that the universe is actually speeding up, its expanding faster than what it did when it first expanded in the Big Bang.
Its thought by some scientists that if it continues to expand quicker and quicker, space and time will not be able to keep up with each other, i.e. space is expanding so quickly that time will not be able to keep up with it. What happens then is that it "rips".
A "rip" is where space and time literally rip apart from one another. Its not been proven that this happens, its simply a theory, but what happens is that (imagine ripping anything) you get fragments of space and time ripping apart and separating. The theory then says that if they do this, a Big Bang could potentially be created from each one of these rips. Its a fairly frightening thought, as we could be the product of a rip from space and time, our universe is one little fragment of a rip of another universe. Each "sub-universe" then expands, as ours does, getting faster and faster, and then that too rips into fragments when space and time cannot keep up with one another, and so on and so forth.

Because of the evidence that scientists have found (the universe expanding quicker and quicker) it sorta goes against the theory that there could be a "Big Crunch" where the universe stops expanding, and gravity pulls everything inwards again, into a Big Crunch where the Big Bang starts again.

I hope Ive not sent you to sleep.

*The universe didnt really "Bang!", it simply expanded really quickly, so it wasnt an explosion as such.

[Zephyr]

All religions are theories, not facts because there isn't 100% proof towards any of them.
We'll find out when we die wether we're right or wrong, it's as simple as that.

[japanman]

all i bielive is something made us we dont have facts to prove it so leave it alone when we die well see.

[xTheLordsServantx]

I just get defensive when it comes to my views, it's a habit I picked up over the last few years. (they've been hell)

its something we all get lol. That's why this is such a touchy subject.

All religions are theories, not facts because there isn't 100% proof towards any of them.
We'll find out when we die wether we're right or wrong, it's as simple as that.

I agree. In my religion, if it was all proven, then Faith wouldn't exist.

[rawrr.]

I was raised as a Roman Catholic.
However, I don't believe, nor agree with, the Catholic teachings.
When I say that, I mean, I don't agree with the fact that they discriminate against homosexuals. As one example.
Therefore, I don't call myself a Catholic, even if I've taken things from the religion.

Religion is all about having faith in something.
Of course, no one can prove that there was a man named Jesus, who practiced miracles.
But then, people that believe in religion of any kind have immense faith.

[The Entertainer]

The epistemic gap is something that theists are determined to preserve. Ironically, if God was proven to exist, that would be religion's worst nightmare, as odd as it sounds.

[keidriantiger]

Actully, I'm a Starclanner!

[Pupperooni]

I'm not really anything. I beleive in higher powers, yet I do not beleive in gods. I beleive our lives are not goverened by some great amazing thing nor do we ourselves have any power. We live our lives as we wish but higher powers will help us on our chosen path.

So I accept all religions for everyone has chosen for themselves.

[tombstonequeen]

i'm wiccan
but i've been thinkin about satanism

[Techno Monster]

Christian... by the way what is Atheism and Agnosticism???

[tombstonequeen]

atheism doesn't believe in god
and agnostic is u don't believe in anything

[japanman]

i'm wiccan
but i've been thinkin about satanism
oooo wiccian can you tell what that is sry im just intrested but what is that religion about?

[Underground_Network]

Laveyanism > All. But if I became devout I'd end up in jail for life without parole.

[tombstonequeen]

wiccans are the healers of pegans
thats basically what we do is heal and thank gaia the goddess of earth

[BornActor]

Members of one faith criticize another because they either believe their path is the only way and they are not tolerent of others or they were taught by their parents.

People know their path is right because they've seen evidence of it or because that's what their parents taught them. Sometimes they just like the concepts behind the religion.

In my opinion, Jesus is the only way to god. And that anyone can go to Jesus. I don't criticize other peoples religions. I just question them or state my opinion on why i don't believe in their concept. I know my path is right because there are many facts to back it up.

[BornActor]

BTW whats Satanism? Wikipedia didn't make it very clear.

[Whisper]

angry 40yr old virgins

[Andrew56]

I believe the Bible is all God inspired, and undeniable. I believe Jesus was pure when he died wrongly on the cross, because of the sin of people, and that if we believe that, and accept it, we don't have to spend eternity in Hell. If you accept Christ's free gift, you will spend eternity in Heaven. If you reject it, or tweak it then believe it, you will spend eternity in a hopeless, Christless Hell.

Message me for specific discussion. I know this is one of the most opposed statements someone can make.

I'll try and keep up to date on all responses here though.

[Patchy]

I was christened as a Christian but I don't go to church any more

[A.J.]

I think "Dogma" is a good movie too watch for anyone too retarded to have their own beliefs. I personally am an athiest. Religion was created by people who wanted to be more powerful than others and to have something to blame your problems on. I do however believe in being a good person and being thankful for what you have.

[Pupperooni]

I now see religion as something horrible that only causes pain and violence.
Especially Chiristians. Seriously, look at the crusades. How many men fought and died over supposed holy land? Don't all those deaths contradict the Bible? I wouldn't know but I thought religion represents peace. What about the Muslims? Some of them take major offense at things and end up killing many with a bomb of some sort.

[Prince Jellyfish]

Members of one faith criticize another because they either believe their path is the only way and they are not tolerent of others or they were taught by their parents.

People know their path is right because they've seen evidence of it or because that's what their parents taught them. Sometimes they just like the concepts behind the religion.

In my opinion, Jesus is the only way to god. And that anyone can go to Jesus. I don't criticize other peoples religions. I just question them or state my opinion on why i don't believe in their concept. I know my path is right because there are many facts to back it up.


It's too bad you haven't given us any of these fact.:rolleyes:

Anyway, I myself and an atheist; however, I think Shintoism and Hinduism are the bee's knees. Seriously, Hinduism and Shintoism have some of the best story telling EVER. Seriously, read the Bagavad Gita or the Tale of Genji. Also, according to Hindu beliefs, everyone is Hindi, they just don't know it XD (ie, "there are many roads to Brahma) :D

[Andrew56]

Many of the facts are "debatable" because it takes faith to see them as fact, so if he were to offer some of the facts up, most if not all would be shot down as theories, when to him(and me if he's on track with my beliefs) they are as factual as water being h2o is to you.

Diagram THAT sentence.

[Prince Jellyfish]

Many of the facts are "debatable" because it takes faith to see them as fact, so if he were to offer some of the facts up, most if not all would be shot down as theories, when to him(and me if he's on track with my beliefs) they are as factual as water being h2o is to you.

Diagram THAT sentence.

Regardless,
His beliefs are X, while reality is Y.

[theOperaGhost]

I now see religion as something horrible that only causes pain and violence.
Especially Chiristians. Seriously, look at the crusades. How many men fought and died over supposed holy land? Don't all those deaths contradict the Bible? I wouldn't know but I thought religion represents peace. What about the Muslims? Some of them take major offense at things and end up killing many with a bomb of some sort.

I believe in God. However I think that almost every war has a religious driven purpose (not all of them, a lot are over territory).

I disagree with your thought that religion represents peace. Okay, I've never read the Bible, but I think there is a lot of war and bad things in it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Bible is a very graphic book.

One thing that I don't get is why is God so powerful and everyone else is equal. The Bible contains stories of murder, genocide and many other crimes commited by God. Take the flood for example, God was unhappy with everyone on earth except for Noah and his family. What does he do, genocide, he kills off everybody on earth. Doesn't sound very humane

Anyway, even though I'm a Christian, I don't have anything against Atheist because they make the most sense of anybody. There is no proof to go by that their is a God.

[The Batman]

I believe in God, I believe in Heaven and Hell, I believe in the bible and I could never be happier. On this site you barely see any christian posts because we keep our opinions to ourselves but you do see a hefty amount of atheist posts but still we Christians don't start insulting the poster or disrespecting the post or forum. So why can't you atheists just leave us alone about our religion and show us the same respect we show you?

[Prince Jellyfish]

I believe in God, I believe in Heaven and Hell, I believe in the bible and I could never be happier. On this site you barely see any christian posts because we keep our opinions to ourselves but you do see a hefty amount of atheist posts but still we Christians don't start insulting the poster or disrespecting the post or forum. So why can't you atheists just leave us alone about our religion and show us the same respect we show you?

You guys have kinda persecuted us for like...evers. Plus, atheists are one of the only groups in America that people think it's OK to be openly hateful towards. The only reason that you see more atheist posts is because we can actually speak our minds online without getting ostracized by society.

[The Batman]

The way society is now it doesn't matter what your religion is so being ostracized is less likely. I'm actually scared to post my religious beliefs outside this thread because I don't want my beliefs to be personally attacked. You guys post all of your anti-god blander all over the forum without any kind of prosecution by the religious people on this site but the one time we post something with any kind of religion it gets bashed and our beliefs are insulted.

[Andrew56]

I would like to say that I am a Christian. And if someone else says they are a Christian, does not mean we share the same beliefs. I represent me. Don't let another person who says they are a Christian's statements speak for me. I'm most likely the most conservative Christian on this site.

Just thought I'd set myself apart because Prince Jellyfish said:

You guys have kinda persecuted us for like...evers.

And I don't want people considering me as one of those "guys".

[Prince Jellyfish]

I would like to say that I am a Christian. And if someone else says they are a Christian, does not mean we share the same beliefs. I represent me. Don't let another person who says they are a Christian's statements speak for me. I'm most likely the most conservative Christian on this site.

Just thought I'd set myself apart because Prince Jellyfish said:

You guys have kinda persecuted us for like...evers.

And I don't want people considering me as one of those "guys".

Sorry if it sounded like I was making some sort of blanket statement, what I meant was that the same Christians that claim to be victimized by atheists now used to persecute us.

[Sugaree]

I would like to say that I am a Christian. And if someone else says they are a Christian, does not mean we share the same beliefs. I represent me. Don't let another person who says they are a Christian's statements speak for me. I'm most likely the most conservative Christian on this site.

Just thought I'd set myself apart because Prince Jellyfish said:

You guys have kinda persecuted us for like...evers.

And I don't want people considering me as one of those "guys".

Well that's a pretty good statement. And I agree with Prince Jellyfish.

But even though you are a constructive Christian, which surprised me from the statement that you don't let anyone speak for because you speak for yourself, and think that's good.

But I have a quesiton: What do you mean by "those guys"?

[The Batman]

I have never prosecuted anyone with different religious standpoint than me but still i have to go through my beliefs being challenged.

[Prince Jellyfish]

I have never prosecuted anyone with different religious standpoint than me but still i have to go through my beliefs being challenged.

No, however, Christians have persecuted atheists in the past.:cool:

[The Batman]

And atheist are persecuting us now

[Prince Jellyfish]

And atheist are prosecuting us now

I'd like to see some evidence of this.
Also, you mean persecute.

[The Batman]

If you look on the internet you'll find a whole lot more anti christian quotes, sites, and videos than anti athiest stuff just search

[Prince Jellyfish]

I don't think so. I have centuries of evidence against you. Atheists are a MINORITY, in fact, the smallest minority. We are the mouse that roared. You all have done so much worse, anti-atheist speech still goes on a lot today no matter what you say. Next time, at least wikipedia this subject.

[tombstonequeen]

see
religion talk gets everyone so hyped up
haha i hate the christian and catholicism religion
but i know if i say what i really thought ppl my crap their pants and start a riot lol
and i'm not in the mood for that

[RRDoLLY]

Anyone see or read "Horton heres a who" ? Theres a message behind it.

[The Batman]

Why would you tell me to wikipedia an article that I have already done some extensive research on especially since you refused to even take my advice and look up the stuff I told you too. Atheism is the third lagest religion(if you can call it that) in the world so its not a minority so why don't you do wikipedia the articles and stop pulling facts out the air.

[tombstonequeen]

dark calm down boy
atheism compared to christianity, catholicism, and jewish peeps is a minority
but the ones compared to those peganism and satanism is waaaaaaaaaay smaller
and peganism has been around before christianity was even thought of

[RRDoLLY]

Because they're most likly religous

[tombstonequeen]

Because they're most likly religous

huh?
elaborate
i just woke up

[Zephyr]

It's ranked 3rd when you put Atheism in with non-religious category with Agnostics, Spirituals and apathetic people.

The numbers when Atheism is on it's own:

33% of people are Christian/Catholic and 2.3% of people are Atheist, making Atheists a minority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Worldwide_percentage_of_Adherents_by_Religion.png

[RRDoLLY]

Hey there.... First off I think its kewl that your wicken. And the reason for the previous comment is that it is likly that the people posting it are religious and to them something they dont agree with regiously... they tend to pull loose facts due to that they might think that their religion is best so thy change sht.. or w/e its wiki.. who gives a damn?

[The Batman]

I'm calm its just that when someone just starts creating facts I get kinda agitated. Anyway right now in the world its starting to barely matter if your religious or not.

[tombstonequeen]

eh i don't trust wikipedia
and thanks
been wiccan for about ten years
my love is a satanist
and we are going to raise our children knowing every kind of relgion so when they grow up they can choose for themselves

[Prince Jellyfish]

Why would you tell me to wikipedia an article that I have already done some extensive research on especially since you refused to even take my advice and look up the stuff I told you too. Atheism is the third lagest religion(if you can call it that) in the world so its not a minority so why don't you do wikipedia the articles and stop pulling facts out the air.

What the fuck?! No it is not. Christianity is the largest, followed by Islam and Hinduism. Atheism is only 2% of the spectrum. So, why don't you try to get some facts first. Pony up. Now. :yeah:

[tombstonequeen]

u forgot to add peganism, satanism, vampireism, and ashleyism
i made my own relgion/cult
its only .0001 percent of the population
soooo ha!

[Prince Jellyfish]

u forgot to add peganism, satanism, vampireism, and ashleyism
i made my own relgion/cult
its only .0001 percent of the population
soooo ha!

Explain yourself. (this is relevant to my interests)

[RRDoLLY]

:P:Pu forgot to add peganism, satanism, vampireism, and ashleyism
i made my own relgion/cult
its only .0001 percent of the population
soooo ha!

lol... My friend came up with a religion called climitiism

[tombstonequeen]

hmm?
i was jokin about ashleyism
but with those three
whenever anyone thinks of those they think evil stay away cause one group made it sound like they were damned for eternity
so they are shunned and put into a "cult" catagory

[Sugaree]

Anyone see or read "Horton heres a who" ? Theres a message behind it.

Uh....who cares about a children's book at this time? This is about religious discussion. Get on topic

[Prince Jellyfish]

Uh....who cares about a children's book at this time? This is about religious discussion. Get on topic

Are you kidding?!?!?! There are some very adult messages in that book.:eek:

[Sugaree]

sorry but I don't read children's books by some idiot who give himself a wacko name.

[tombstonequeen]

umm wow
legal calm down buddy

[The Batman]

You know what its amazing you posted 2% right after steph did and so what if you're religion has been persecuted for years you weren't born athiest you its something you decided to be and still you don't see as much religious persecution today as you did back then. And even then think about this I'm black, I was born black, and I will die black, and My race has been persecuted for years and in some instances it still is. I have had to deal with racism because the color of my skin but you can't look at a person and tell rather they are religious or not so you can stop with the minority being persecuted argument.

And don't disrespect Dr. Suess that's dangerous territory.

[tombstonequeen]

??
why bring skin colors up?

[Prince Jellyfish]

You know what its amazing you posted 2% right after steph did and so what if you're religion has been persecuted for years you weren't born athiest you its something you decided to be and still you don't see as much religious persecution today as you did back then. And even then think about this I'm black, I was born black, and I will die black, and My race has been persecuted for years and in some instances it still is. I have had to deal with racism because the color of my skin but you can't look at a person and tell rather they are religious or not so you can stop with the minority being persecuted argument.

And don't disrespect Dr. Suess that's dangerous territory.

??
why bring skin colors up?

Seriously, what the fuck are you trying to prove Darkwing?

[The Batman]

I'll just pretty much sum up all my posts in one. I'm happy with who I am and you should be happy with you so don't try and convert me and I'll do the same. I started off saying that I'm tired of feeling like people are telling me the life I'm living is wrong and I'm tired of having to have my beliefs questioned and insulted. So lets leave it at that

[tombstonequeen]

ya bud
i could be a purple people eater and i would be fine with myself

[Sugaree]

umm wow
legal calm down buddy

Why am I supposed to? Why the fuck are we talking about A BOOK when we are supposed to be talking about RELIGION!?!?! Tell me that!

[tombstonequeen]

because that book is relegion based

[Sugaree]

because that book is relegion based

Oh boy, then I can't wait to read about an elephant and a little person -,- thanks but no thanks. I'm quite comfy with my books at the moment :|

[japanman]

Are you kidding?!?!?! There are some very adult messages in that book.:eek:
CALM DOWN
stop stop stop stop
ok just stop you guys we all have our
own right to our own bielifs ok.
just ask questions but no cussing ppl out b/c of thier opinions.
seriouly if you think your religion is the only way keep it to yourself. thomas i like your religion.
jellyfish dude i like yours too and everyone elso the same
just calm down down ppls this is a DISCUSSION
ask questions and give answers but dont force things ok.

evry one has a right to thier own opinions, bieleves.

sry if i didnt make sense but come on ppl cant life go smother if all just let it go.

[tombstonequeen]

lol think
horton the elephant believes that there are small ppl on a fleck of dust ya?
then no one believes them cause they can't hear or see anything
and the same goes for the lil who he heard horton but know one believed that there was a bigger being then them

and i don't mind cussin

[Sugaree]

Well, that does make sense but how does it connect religion wise?

[RRDoLLY]

Uh....who cares about a children's book at this time? This is about religious discussion. Get on topic

Hmm... lets see... If you would have just answered yes or no i would of told you..

im gonna tell you why I brought that up anyways.. your just making it difficult... ok so heres the deal if youve seen it good youll know what im talking about... if not see it and then youll get it
anywho Dr. Seuss's horton hears a who hasa secret message behind it. The main idea is that their is a mojor belief in what they believe in. In book.. They animals say that they are the only creatures and if you think there are your crazy... Well horton believes that there are whos on this tiny flower... The other animals become angry that horton is questioning their way of... Horton tries to make them belive that there are who's on this flower... The other say he's crazy and that what they believe in only right.. The moral is that religions or beliefs of people try shun what others bellive is true... They say that what they belive in is the only truth..... LIKE MANY RELIGIONS!!!! (cst) THERES MY POINT SO DONT SHUN ME!!

[tombstonequeen]

now put it with christianity and atheism

[Antares]

I was raised Christian, but I don't go to church so I consider my self somewhere between Agnostic and Christian.

[Maverick]

All the fighting posts have been deleted. Be mature in your posts and do not allow another fight to break out.

[tombstonequeen]

thank u mav
i just don't like it when ppl try and stop something that is on someones mind

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

I agree, this is a place for everyone to share their thoughts and opinions, as long as they arent blatantly purposefully offensive. Keep it civil people :) No-one KNOWS whether there is a higher power, many just believe it because the earth is so magnificent. Just be happy with things, enjoy our planet, enjoy life, and know that there is no god, there is no eternity, and accept that we human beings cannot float upwards to a special place to live for eternity (My opinions on this )

[tombstonequeen]

I agree, this is a place for everyone to share their thoughts and opinions, as long as they arent blatantly purposefully offensive. Keep it civil people :) No-one KNOWS whether there is a higher power, many just believe it because the earth is so magnificent. Just be happy with things, enjoy our planet, enjoy life, and know that there is no god, there is no eternity, and accept that we human beings cannot float upwards to a special place to live for eternity (My opinions on this )


thats the most intelligent thing i heard all day thank u haupt

[Serenity]

So anyway, back on the topic of religion...