White pride.

[Church]

Alright this thread is gonna be bout the double standard of pride in your race, you can march down the streets saying your proud of being black etc and everyone is like, oh good for them. But if I went down the street talking about how I'm proud of being white I would be called a racist etc. I am proud of being white and I'm proud of my heritage, that doesnt mean I hate other races etc.

What do you think of this double standard?

[Death]

No worse than double standards against atheists and British people.

[Church]

Well look you cant even drop something, shows how mature you are.

[Death]

Church, I didn't refer to anything. If you think I'm trying to start an argument, that only shows you're looking to find one. Please don't start another argument. I'll say it again: I made no reference to anything and you damn well know it. And it's funny hearing you talk about maturity.

Also, to answer your question, I find the double standard stupid; especially since it's white people who make it.

[Church]

Are you going to talk about the subject of the thread or what

[Death]

I just did. You just didn't bother to read it.

[nick]

I can see that it may seem like a double standard but the difference is few people have ever been persecuted for being white.

[Delusion15]

Well in the end it is the same reason that gays and other minorities people have "pride days"

You can certainly have pride for being white but blacks and gays have been being discriminated against since the dawn of time. Nowadays they are finally given the rights they have wanted for years and they are now celebrating what they should have had years ago.

Think of it as making up for lost time

[Church]

I can see where your coming from Delusion, but still whites should be able to show just as much pride and not be persecuted because you arnt afraid to say it

[Death]

You can certainly have pride for being white but blacks and gays have been being discriminated against since the dawn of time.

This is certainly true. Although I imagine that white people in black countries wouldn't have been treated well either, but I see your point. But sometimes I think that the pendulum has swung to far the other way, if you see what I mean. It's like they are now views to be superior.

[huginnmuninn]

double standards are wrong

[Death]

I agree. Sometimes, I wonder if "double standard" is just a sugar-coated way of saying "discrimination".

[The Dark Lord]

No worse than double standards against atheists and British people.

What double standards against atheists and British people.

BTW I completely agree. I am sick of being ashamed of being white, straight and male.

[Death]

What double standards against atheists and British people.

I shouldn't really mention this, but I suppose you deserve an answer. It was those that Church made in that other thread. Back on topic...

BTW I completely agree. I am sick of being ashamed of being white, straight and male.

I'm glad we agree. Although I have yet to find discrimination against heterosexuals though.

[The Batman]

If you knew what those pride days stood for then you would understand. They aren't just about being proud of your race it's about celebrating the equality you share among other races. There are a lot of black, hispanic, women, and lgbt people who are ashamed of who they are because they feel inferior and that if they were a straight white male things would be easier. What pride is doing is getting them to appreciate who they are and showing them that we are all equal.

[Death]

Then why is it called "White pride" (or whatever 'pride' it is)?

[The Dark Lord]

I'm glad we agree. Although I have yet to find discrimination against heterosexuals though.

If you walked down a street claiming to be proud of being straight, what do you think the reaction would be?

[Death]

I see your point. But something tells me that only a small handful of people will mind compared to the people who'd mind if I said that I was proud to be white.

[The Dark Lord]

I see your point. But something tells me that only a small handful of people will mind compared to the people who'd mind if I said that I was proud to be white.

Yeah, I suspose homosexuality has become the taboo subject that racism was before.

[nick]

What is there to be proud of? Pride is something you take for an achievement, something you've done yourself. Not for some accident of birth.

What is there to be proud of in being part of a race that has imposed terrible suffering and humiliation on other people throughout thousands of years of history just for being different?

I'm caucasion btw.

[Death]

That's what I would have thought. Discrimination causes the world to be otherwise, unfortunately.

[steve1234]

I'm a white straight male, and it just seems like this is becoming the worst place to be.
I have absolutly no problem with gay pride marches, or black pride marches etc. Its great that people can be proud of who they are.
But, here in the UK, as soon as people start parading with union jacks or the england flag, people just assume its a racist march. I can't blame people for assuming though, seeing as racist groups such as the BNP and English Defence League have hijacked the England flag and Union Jack for racist purposes!! .

Also, I agree with Delusion15's point, where gay people and black people have had a lot of discrimination on the past and are making up for lost time.

A problem with having pride marches for individual races/religions, is that it might create more frictions in the community. Especially in somewhere like east London which is very diverse. There definatly need to be more marches which involve the whole community, and I also think St. George's Day should be much more important, and should celebrate England's diversity. Maybe there should also be a day for the whole of the UK.

[Sage]

Be proud of what you do, not what you are. Any racial or national pride is completely stupid.

[Sugaree]

Be proud of what you do, not what you are. Any racial or national pride is completely stupid.

This. What's the point of being proud in your race or your nation? End of the day comes along, we're all human.

[Tiberius]

What is there to be proud of? Pride is something you take for an achievement, something you've done yourself. Not for some accident of birth.

What is there to be proud of in being part of a race that has imposed terrible suffering and humiliation on other people throughout thousands of years of history just for being different?

I'm caucasion btw.

You do realize that black people have discriminated against white people for longer? Asians are horribly racist towards everyone else as well. It comes from all angles and not just the big bad white man.

[Dorsum Oppel]

LOOK AT ME. I'M SO PROUD OF MY SELF BECAUSE I WAS BORN THE WAY I AM.

Being born a certain way that wasn't even my decision is obviously an achievement, therefor I must celebrate. My parents fucked. I DESERVE A MEDAL.

[Antares]

I don't think you would be called a racist at all.
You can have pride in you being white...it is just how you go about showing that pride.

If you go up saying that white people are better or showing some signs that you will oppress other races (in other words any signs of white supremacy) then people are going to have a problem. I will have a problem.

Also, if you go walking down the street wearing all white and maybe a triangle hat and rings of fire (resembling the KKK in some sort) I am going to have a problem.

Finally, if you go walking down the street with all this stir of some type of neo-nazism or something that just makes you look stupid, I will have a problem.
Any content from American History X creates problems.

Otherwise, have fun with you being proud that you're white, I have no problems with that and I don't think anyone else does.
If you look back in history, the only time when people have a problem with some type of...white pride is when the above is somehow interpreted or exemplified.


EDIT:
I must address this really stupid comment:

You do realize that black people have discriminated against white people for longer? Asians are horribly racist towards everyone else as well. It comes from all angles and not just the big bad white man.


Black people have been discriminated against since the slave trade began and white people forced themselves into their lives.
How can black people have discriminated against them longer than this????

And big bad white men cause a lot of problems.
No ones perfect, definitely including the white man who maybe shouldn't have brought the slaves over here if you couldn't deal with them properly.

[The Dark Lord]

Be proud of what you do, not what you are. Any racial or national pride is completely stupid.

What is wrong with national pride? Surely it is important to be proud of your country.

[Sage]

What is wrong with national pride? Surely it is important to be proud of your country.

You don't choose where you're born and you are responsible for absolutely none of the things your country has accomplished. Standing on one big piece of dirt instead of another big piece of dirt doesn't make you any better or worse than anyone else on the planet.

[Insanity Fair]

I'm glad we agree. Although I have yet to find discrimination against heterosexuals though.

A feminist would much rather prefer to hang out with you if you were gay.

LOOK AT ME. I'M SO PROUD OF MY SELF BECAUSE I WAS BORN THE WAY I AM.

Being born a certain way that wasn't even my decision is obviously an achievement, therefor I must celebrate. My parents fucked. I DESERVE A MEDAL.

Win.

[Death]

A feminist would much rather prefer to hang out with you if you were gay.

Yes, a feminist might, but that's not saying much. Many more people are against homosexuals in the world than heterosexuals. Besides, it is not that often that you actually get discrimination against heterosexuals (as opposed to just supporting homosexuals), now is it? Oh, and don't bother -Repping in the future for saying something as benign as my response.

[The Dark Lord]

You don't choose where you're born and you are responsible for absolutely none of the things your country has accomplished. Standing on one big piece of dirt instead of another big piece of dirt doesn't make you any better or worse than anyone else on the planet.

Of course, it does. I, like most people, are immensely proud of Britain's achievements in the world. Just because you can't choose your country, doesn't make it impossible or wrong to be proud of it. Similarly you can't choose your family but you are still proud of them.

[Sugaree]

Of course, it does. I, like most people, are immensely proud of Britain's achievements in the world. Just because you can't choose your country, doesn't make it impossible or wrong to be proud of it. Similarly you can't choose your family but you are still proud of them.

Britain conquered the entire world and lost over half of it when the Empire slowly dwindled. Achievements made and lost.

[Insanity Fair]

Yes, a feminist might, but that's not saying much. Many more people are against homosexuals in the world than heterosexuals. Besides, it is not that often that you actually get discrimination against heterosexuals (as opposed to just supporting homosexuals), now is it? Oh, and don't bother -Repping in the future for saying something as benign as my response.

Maybe not so much now. But in 40 years? We'll see.

[Obscene Eyedeas]

People actually take pride in this stuff? i don't get it. what Did you do to be proud of. you're born the way you're born and where your born. i don't see how you can be proud of that. i mean seriously i just think it's stupid to have pride in such a thing. i really think people need to take pride in something they Did that makes sense.

[Dorsum Oppel]

The legacy of your country was not your doing. You didn't colonize half of europe, you didn't create an empire, you never conquered nations.

Some other guys who happen to be [insert whatever the hell you are here] did. These are not your accomplishments just because you have their genes, or legal status as a citizen, or skin color, or sexual preference.

People have pride parades to celebrate gaining rights. However, I think that blacks, and pretty soon gays, need to get over it. You will be treated as a minority as long as you treat yourself like a minority.

[Insanity Fair]

The legacy of your country was not your doing. You didn't colonize half of europe, you didn't create an empire, you never conquered nations.

Some other guys who happen to be [insert whatever the hell you are here] did. These are not your accomplishments just because you have their genes, or legal status as a citizen, or skin color, or sexual preference.

People have pride parades to celebrate gaining rights. However, I think that blacks, and pretty soon gays, need to get over it. You will be treated as a minority as long as you treat yourself like a minority.

You can be proud of your son for winning a trophy in track or achieving an art award. Did you do these works yourself? No. But pride can still exist.

[The Batman]

Since I don't feel like typing it all out again...
They aren't just about being proud of your race it's about celebrating the equality you share among other races. There are a lot of black, hispanic, women, and lgbt people who are ashamed of who they are because they feel inferior and that if they were a straight white male things would be easier. What pride is doing is getting them to appreciate who they are and showing them that we are all equal.

[Jess]

People actually take pride in this stuff? i don't get it. what Did you do to be proud of. you're born the way you're born and where your born. i don't see how you can be proud of that. i mean seriously i just think it's stupid to have pride in such a thing. i really think people need to take pride in something they Did that makes sense.

I so agree with you.......

people are supposed to take pride in something they DID..right? :S

[Dorsum Oppel]

You can be proud of your son for winning a trophy in track or achieving an art award. Did you do these works yourself? No. But pride can still exist.

Well, that was partially due to you, and when most fathers say the feel 'pride', it's mostly just nostalgia and happiness that their son is achieving something beneficial.

Now I see that in order to continue the discussion, we need to define pride.
pride [ prīd ]
satisfaction with self: the happy satisfied feeling somebody experiences when having or achieving something special that other people admire
proper sense of own value: the correct level of respect for the importance and value of your personal character, life, efforts, or achievements
feeling of superiority: a haughty attitude shown by somebody who believes, often unjustifiably, that he or she is better than others

Kthnx webster. These all speak of personal achievement. Unless anyone wants to define pride in an alternative manner?

[Whisper]

Alright this thread is gonna be bout the double standard of pride in your race, you can march down the streets saying your proud of being black etc and everyone is like, oh good for them. But if I went down the street talking about how I'm proud of being white I would be called a racist etc. I am proud of being white and I'm proud of my heritage, that doesnt mean I hate other races etc.

What do you think of this double standard?

Whites don't need a day to scream we're awesome
We already know it :)

[redcar]

Alright this thread is gonna be bout the double standard of pride in your race, you can march down the streets saying your proud of being black etc and everyone is like, oh good for them. But if I went down the street talking about how I'm proud of being white I would be called a racist etc. I am proud of being white and I'm proud of my heritage, that doesnt mean I hate other races etc.

What do you think of this double standard?

Ugh - I worry for the future of this world if these are the questions that are being asked and debated on. Let's not debate current affairs what ever we do. Instead let's discuss this.

This is not a double standard. You will find that where ever any sort of pride event taking place it is because they are in a minority. Being in a minority is not an ideal place to be generally speaking because you can have the majority that may want to limit your rights and so and so forth. So there is no double standard here, if you walked down the street and a black friend of yours were to do the same saying they are proud of their race the difference is you are part of the majority and your friend is part of the minority.

The reason these events take place is because there are a minority in the majority who like to make the minority feel like they are inferiour. These kind of events for people in a minority to get together and say "fuck you" to that very small minority in the majority.

The day everyone is treated equal these events will stop.

[Insanity Fair]

Ugh - I worry for the future of this world if these are the questions that are being asked and debated on. Let's not debate current affairs what ever we do. Instead let's discuss this.

This is not a double standard. You will find that where ever any sort of pride event taking place it is because they are in a minority. Being in a minority is not an ideal place to be generally speaking because you can have the majority that may want to limit your rights and so and so forth. So there is no double standard here, if you walked down the street and a black friend of yours were to do the same saying they are proud of their race the difference is you are part of the majority and your friend is part of the minority.

The reason these events take place is because there are a minority in the majority who like to make the minority feel like they are inferiour. These kind of events for people in a minority to get together and say "fuck you" to that very small minority in the majority.

The day everyone is treated equal these events will stop.

Well the black history month and black pride should be stopping soon.

[The Batman]

Well the black history month and black pride should be stopping soon.

It is dying down, it's not as big of a deal as it use to be. You don't see a group of black people pumping their fists in the air yelling black power. There's not many tv specials devoted to black history month anymore.

[Disco Jones]

stop bein' proud about race, yo

[Jamie]

Historically, pride has generally been used to either show that a group of people are as accepting of their own kind, as others are of theirs', or to show that they're proud of something that others don't possess. IE: Black pride, gay pride, etc.

White pride needn't be expressed.

[Continuum]

Being proud of your heritage is fine. It shows that you are proud of yourself. Being too proud is bad and results in shunning other races.

[Sith Lord 13]

I can see that it may seem like a double standard but the difference is few people have ever been persecuted for being white.

Except in modern America.

What is there to be proud of? Pride is something you take for an achievement, something you've done yourself. Not for some accident of birth.

What is there to be proud of in being part of a race that has imposed terrible suffering and humiliation on other people throughout thousands of years of history just for being different?

I'm caucasion btw.

Then no person should be proud of their race. All races have done that. Did you know whites rarely if ever took slaves? Instead they purchased slaves from other blacks. In exchange for rum.

What's there to be proud of in belonging to a race that would sell your own in order to get drunk?

[The Dark Lord]

Then no person should be proud of their race. All races have done that. Did you know whites rarely if ever took slaves? Instead they purchased slaves from other blacks. In exchange for rum.


Source this please

[Sith Lord 13]

Source this please

The first side of the triangle was the export of goods from Europe to Africa. A number of African kings and merchants took part in the trading of enslaved people from 1440 to about 1833. For each captive, the African rulers would receive a variety of goods from Europe. These included guns, ammunition and other factory made goods. The second leg of the triangle exported enslaved Africans across the Atlantic Ocean to the Americas and the Caribbean Islands. The third and final part of the triangle was the return of goods to Europe from the Americas. The goods were the products of slave-labour plantations and included cotton, sugar, tobacco, molasses and rum.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade#Triangular_trade