Different IRC Chat

[Slayer]

I personally don't like how the IRC chat we currently have looks. It doesn't have a very good layout or design. Plus I can't use the /nick command -_-.

I would suggest a different layout or using mibbit. Mibbit is a IRC client I have found to be wonderful in terms of usabilty. http://www.mibbit.com/ that or please state the channel information so people can connect via an IRC program.

[The Batman]

1. It's a Java chat not IRC
2. the /nick feature was disabled due to abuse
3. We won't be changing anytime soon.

[Giles]

It took quite a while for people to get used to the new chat. It won't be changing any time soon.

[Harley Quinn]

.. you're new, and you're already complaining?

[Giles]

.. you're new, and you're already complaining?

Haha. I just noticed that too. He joined today...

[Slayer]

It took quite a while for people to get used to the new chat.

That's why it needs to change

[Blood]

It needs to change because you haven't gotten used to it yet? Yeah. I'll sit here and wait for that to happen.

[/sarcasm]

[Slayer]

It needs to change because you haven't gotten used to it yet? Yeah. I'll sit here and wait for that to happen.

[/sarcasm]

1. Fail at opening sarcasm tag
2. I already have gotten used to it, it's just not as good as it could be
3. This is a suggestions thread, I'm not forcing anyone to change it, it's just suggestions
4. I have never seen any other forum where the users and the mods are this unreliable and unhelpful.

[CaptainObvious]

As Tom pointed out, this isn't actually an IRC client. Thus, we can't just change clients in the way we could if it were. And we're not going to change to one, for a number of reasons that I'm sure are listed in other iterations of this kind of thread. Search and find 'em.

[Slayer]

As Tom pointed out, this isn't actually an IRC client. Thus, we can't just change clients in the way we could if it were. And we're not going to change to one, for a number of reasons that I'm sure are listed in other iterations of this kind of thread. Search and find 'em.

OK, well it could be coded in a way that would make it easier to use. Right now it looks ugly and has poor functionality in terms of usability. That's why I suggested an IRC. All they need is to be embedded. The commands are simple, easy to moderate, and easy to use. But since someone actually took the time to code this in java, it's not likely any of you will accept this suggestion, it seems like a lost cause trying to suggest anything.

I regret I even asked

Forums like this should not be on the internet, the point of a forum is to help, not to say "Your idea is stupid, it's not ever going to happen" even if it's very well capable of being done. Even if it isn't going to happen, read my signature :P

[CaptainObvious]

OK, well it could be coded in a way that would make it easier to use. Right now it looks ugly and has poor functionality in terms of usability. That's why I suggested an IRC. All they need is to be embedded. The commands are simple, easy to moderate, and easy to use. But since someone actually took the time to code this in java, it's not likely any of you will accept this suggestion, it seems like a lost cause trying to suggest anything.

I regret I even asked

I agree, it's not designed optimally. There are lots of things that could be improved, and I say that as someone who has to both use and also moderate it, moderation tools being one of its particular weaknesses imo. But we didn't code it, it's a piece of software developed by a company and run/hosted on their server. And we use it over other things because we wanted something that could snap in to the forum and provide some level of integration. I didn't choose this particular chat and it's not my absolute favorite. But we specifically didn't choose IRC for reasons. To suggest that we use IRC is not necessarily a lost cause, but we made the decision to not use IRC for very specific reasons and so you're trying to convince us to change to something that we specifically decided against, without addressing any of the reasons we decided against it.

Forums like this should not be on the internet, the point of a forum is to help, not to say "Your idea is stupid, it's not ever going to happen" even if it's very well capable of being done. Even if it isn't going to happen, read my signature :P

Listen, other than one or two sort of snippy replies up top no one here has said your idea is stupid or any of that. We've simply told you that it's not likely to be effected. Are we obligated to listen to you, or something? So far in this thread you've now called us staff unreliable and unhelpful, and said the forum shouldn't exist, simply because we didn't immediately take your suggestion. And meanwhile, you act like we're being something other than nice to you? Maybe you should read your signature over yourself, and you should certainly take its advice a little better. Meanwhile, if you'd like to see the reasons why your suggestion has been received negatively, there have been other threads in which the rationale behind using this chat was stated, I'm quite sure.

[Slayer]

It took quite a while for people to get used to the new chat. It won't be changing any time soon.

1. It's a Java chat not IRC
2. the /nick feature was disabled due to abuse
3. We won't be changing anytime soon.

.. you're new, and you're already complaining?

Listen, other than one or two sort of snippy replies up top no one here has said your idea is stupid or any of that. So far in this thread you've now called us staff unreliable and unhelpful, and said the forum shouldn't exist. And meanwhile, you act like we're being something other than nice to you?

Read the quotes above, do any of these seem nice, helpful or reliable? I never thought I would ever get responses like this just for making a suggestion.

[Jess]

I like the current chat. It's fine as it is. what's the /nick anyways?

[Slayer]

I like the current chat. It's fine as it is. what's the /nick anyways?

It changes your username on the client

eg.

/nick test

would change your username to test

[CaptainObvious]

Read the quotes above, do any of these seem nice, helpful or reliable? I never thought I would ever get responses like this just for making a suggestion.

One seemed slightly snippy, and the other two were just businesslike, if slightly terse. None of them merited the whining about maltreatment or extra-curricular insults you lobbed at the forum and staff. Apparently, your outlook on this thread is that our not immediately agreeing with you and/or falling over ourselves to explain our disagreement is a great injustice and the clear way to fix that is to insult us, yes? All that attitude does is make you look childish and cause people to be less interested in listening to your opinion.

[Brighter.Tomorrow]

Listen, other than one or two sort of snippy replies up top no one here has said your idea is stupid or any of that. So far in this thread you've now called us staff unreliable and unhelpful, and said the forum shouldn't exist. And meanwhile, you act like we're being something other than nice to you?

Read the quotes above, do any of these seem nice, helpful or reliable? I never thought I would ever get responses like this just for making a suggestion.

Only one would be considered rude..The others were blunt.

The site was set up as such because the owner thought it would be best like that. I haven't seen him reply to this, but eve if he did, and he said no, would you have a fit at him? You seem to be throwing a fit over not getting your way, when if you don't like this site, there are many others to go and and you'll be welcomed by all.

And this is a Teen-Help-Teen forum, the main focus isn't the chatroom, it's the forums.

[Slayer]

One seemed slightly snippy, and the other two were just businesslike, if slightly terse. None of them merited the whining about maltreatment or extra-curricular insults you lobbed at the forum and staff. Apparently, your outlook on this thread is that our not immediately agreeing with you and/or falling over ourselves to explain our disagreement is a great injustice and the clear way to fix that is to insult us, yes? All that attitude does is make you look childish and cause people to be less interested in listening to your opinion.

I'll just end this right now: I have belonged to many other forums, this forum however has been the least helpful and least open to suggestions. Never had I ever thought I would ever get responses so concrete without reasons mentioned. I know that you are going to say that there are reasons behind not using an IRC, look at the first posts up there, all they say is no without a reason. They could have done this:

"Nah, we have that chat up for specific reasons like security, ect. We'll keep mibbit in mind though if we decide to change it."

That would have ended it right there.

[Jess]

Only one would be considered rude..The others were blunt.

The site was set up as such because the owner thought it would be best like that. I haven't seen him reply to this, but eve if he did, and he said no, would you have a fit at him? You seem to be throwing a fit over not getting your way, when if you don't like this site, there are many others to go and and you'll be welcomed by all.

And this is a Teen-Help-Teen forum, the main focus isn't the chatroom, it's the forums.

exactly, the chat room isn't that important. the forums are a lot more important

[Slayer]

Only one would be considered rude..The others were blunt.

The site was set up as such because the owner thought it would be best like that. I haven't seen him reply to this, but eve if he did, and he said no, would you have a fit at him? You seem to be throwing a fit over not getting your way, when if you don't like this site, there are many others to go and and you'll be welcomed by all.

And this is a Teen-Help-Teen forum, the main focus isn't the chatroom, it's the forums.

I'm not throwing a fit over not getting my way, I'm making a point about how just saying it nicely can make all the difference, instead of just saying no without justification.

[Sith Lord 13]

But we specifically didn't choose IRC for reasons. To suggest that we use IRC is not necessarily a lost cause, but we made the decision to not use IRC for very specific reasons and so you're trying to convince us to change to something that we specifically decided against, without addressing any of the reasons we decided against it.


I don't care but now my curiosity is piqued. Why did you decide against IRC?

[CaptainObvious]

I'll just end this right now: I have belonged to many other forums, this forum however has been the least helpful and least open to suggestions. Never had I ever thought I would ever get responses so concrete without reasons mentioned. I know that you are going to say that there are reasons behind not using an IRC, look at the first posts up there, all they say is no without a reason. They could have done this:

"Nah, we have that chat up for specific reasons like security, ect. We'll keep mibbit in mind though if we decide to change it."

That would have ended it right there.

You don't control others, you only control yourself. As much as their responses might have been improved upon, yours left even more to be desired. Part of maturity is learning that "but they weren't nice!" is not an excuse for similar behavior on your own part. Or: two wrongs don't make a right.

In any case, I doubt if you stay here much past a couple of days you will continue to stand by that "least helpful" comment. Either way, I hope you get over starting off on the wrong foot and stick around, you seem like a smart kid.

I don't care but now my curiosity is piqued. Why did you decide against IRC?

I didn't make the decision nor was I on staff for it, but as I understand it the reasoning was integration with the forum, as I said above. Chat needed to be accessible only to forum users and only with their same forum user information. Also, we needed a system that would allow moderation and pick that up from forum permissions as well.

Basically, we wanted a chat system that could be moderated and administrated as a part-and-parcel piece of the forums. IRC doesn't work for that, generally.

[-Silence]

The chat we have if I recall correctly was paid for and it wasn't exactly a small amount of money so that might be another reason on why it won't be changing anytime soon.

[Giles]

Calm down mate.
You've been here for a day and you're already crying about the things we have here. The chat isn't going to change any time soon, regardless of what you suggest. So either get used to it or just stop complaining.

[Antares]

Forums like this should not be on the internet, the point of a forum is to help, not to say "Your idea is stupid, it's not ever going to happen" even if it's very well capable of being done. Even if it isn't going to happen, read my signature


I agree with this...but either way you are a little out of line, especially since you haven't been here very long, so I will take the high road and respectfully ask you to just back down and forget you even made this thread.

But if anything, the older members can be a less rude.
Just because you've been here for...6 months doesn't mean you can shoot down ideas with some 'smart' or rude comment. It makes the site look bad and it makes you look bad.