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mxrider155
July 17th, 2010, 08:49 AM
Ok, so i was in bio one day and had this crazy idea: what if everything that happened when we are "awake" was actually someone's dream, and we were just characters in that dream. And what if when we were "asleep" and dreaming, it was actually reality? It could make sense, because when we dream, we believe all around us to be true, even if that dream defies all current sense of logic. So, in a way, couldn't we all be dreaming right now?
karl
July 17th, 2010, 09:40 AM
The world would be a really fucked-up place if events in my dreams were true
darkwoon
July 17th, 2010, 10:20 AM
If you cannot distinguish which one is a dream, and which one is reality, then does it really matter to know what is what? :)
Sage
July 17th, 2010, 10:20 AM
1) Don't do drugs, kids.
2) Were this true, there'd be no real way to prove it, and so it'd be pointless to discuss. Also, I would find it peculiar that dreams (this world) would have such an incredible impact on the real world (dreams). In addition, how do you account for people who don't have dreams when they sleep?
Sith Lord 13
July 17th, 2010, 03:07 PM
In addition, how do you account for people who don't have dreams when they sleep?
Everyone dreams. Not everyone remembers them.
Sage
July 17th, 2010, 04:06 PM
Everyone dreams. Not everyone remembers them.
I've met many people who say they do not dream at all. There are some nights when I don't dream, and of this I am sure, as I usually have quite vivid dreams that I can remember clearly. Do you have something to back up your statement?
As well, my previous point still stands. If you switched what we know as dreams and reality, then that would mean reality is transformed significantly by our dreams, and that would not make any sense.
simpleasthat
July 17th, 2010, 04:56 PM
We always dream, as he said, we don't remember them.
As soon as you wake up from a vivid dream, you have forgotten 50% of it, 10 minutes later you have forgotten 90% of it. This is just averages you may of course be superhuman.
Also dreams are usually only 5-10 seconds long in reality (if this is reality...)
Sage
July 17th, 2010, 04:59 PM
Also dreams are usually only 5-10 seconds long in reality (if this is reality...)
Not so, I had learned in my psychology course that they tend to last up to half an hour. Inb4 INFERNO gets in on this.
darkwoon
July 17th, 2010, 05:05 PM
I've met many people who say they do not dream at all. There are some nights when I don't dream, and of this I am sure, as I usually have quite vivid dreams that I can remember clearly. Do you have something to back up your statement?
Just because you can remember some of your dreams doesn't mean you can remember all of your dreams. And conversely, just because you can remember your dreams doesn't mean everybody can.
As far as is known, dreams occur for every human being during the REM sleep phase, and remembering them or not is heavily dependent on when during your sleep phases you wake up. Check the references listed in the 'Dream' Wikipedia article if you want to know more about that (as I'd pretty much exhausted my knowledge about that :p).
Dorsum Oppel
July 17th, 2010, 05:22 PM
Everyone dreams. Not everyone remembers them.
Some peoples brains lack production of dimethyltryptamine, a chemical which causes dreams. As well, many mental illness medicines leave you dreamless as a side result.
Death
July 17th, 2010, 05:25 PM
Everyone dreams. Not everyone remembers them.
Then how do they know that they had a dream?
Disco Jones
July 17th, 2010, 05:43 PM
what if we're all like, in a dream, maaan
it's like we're dust, dust in the wind
woaaaahhh
Heretic
July 17th, 2010, 05:51 PM
This reminds me when I talked with a global skeptic. He asked me to prove this wasn't a creation of my brain. After some thought, I walked the fuck away. How can you talk to someone like that? On topic, that's not a crazy idea nor a new one, but it definitely is thought provoking. I doubt it's true simply because of how accustomed I am to this reality and the thought that this reality is the true one. Could be possible though. Now lucid dreaming man, that's some shit.
Disco Jones
July 17th, 2010, 05:53 PM
i assume the OP saw Inception last night
that was a rad movie
Skeln
July 17th, 2010, 10:44 PM
When I was younger I used to wounder about this. I once woundered whether we were just some dream conjured up by someone who was in some super long slumber. I doubt that our reality is a dream though.
Delusion15
July 18th, 2010, 01:06 AM
i think therefore i am. Basically just because i can think guarantees the existence of the self
http://onphilosophy.wordpress.com/2006/10/12/i-think-therefore-i-am/
that is an article on the subject
Magus
July 18th, 2010, 01:18 PM
Ok, so i was in bio one day and had this crazy idea: what if everything that happened when we are "awake" was actually someone's dream, and we were just characters in that dream. And what if when we were "asleep" and dreaming, it was actually reality? It could make sense, because when we dream, we believe all around us to be true, even if that dream defies all current sense of logic. So, in a way, couldn't we all be dreaming right now?
I bet that teacher was teaching about the flowering plant's gynoecium.
Logic Gate word: Perception & Conscious. Those two defines reality and dreams.
Even in a vivid dream, where you are interacting as if in real life. You know you are dreaming.
Dreams are nothing but visual and audible Memories that are reacting in the brain, or the subconscious alteration and distortion of the reality.
Thinking: Thinking and refining the thought are a totally different thing than dreams. Whence, Day Dream is discerned.
As far as is known, dreams occur for every human being during the REM sleep phase, and remembering them or not is heavily dependent on when during your sleep phases you wake up. Check the references listed in the 'Dream' Wikipedia article if you want to know more about that (as I'd pretty much exhausted my knowledge about that :p).
Human do not always dream. Sometimes, when are asleep, we skip some of the phases long term(the phases happens more than 1 time, nearly hundred each). Those who usually skip have a brief time sleeping. We do somehow how have the REM, but we don't dream, the dream can only be a fractional/distorted blackness or shape for a very brief time. The Rapid Eye Moment which is also the memory reacquisition.
Chemical Induction: Brain becomes more active and less active due to different brain waves, and they occur thanks to the chemicals.
Some drugs affects both positively and negatively. Caffeine for example, its consumption will make you have less "Dream" time, as caffeine is actually a blocker blocking adenosine, and altering the production of dopamine, and your nightmare, epinephrine.
Geographical Induction: I am not going to delve in this. Best thing to do is to experiment by yourself and try to sleep in the bunker bed, the lower bed.
huginnmuninn
July 21st, 2010, 02:16 AM
then this dream would be essentially reality until we woke up.
ps. isnt your idea a lot like the matrix?
mxrider155
July 21st, 2010, 11:13 PM
@huginmmuninn ya, bout the matrix, that's sorta wat I mean
Insanity Fair
July 22nd, 2010, 12:55 PM
@huginmmuninn ya, bout the matrix, that's sorta wat I mean
Here's where you lose credibility.
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