religion.

[dude14]

me and my fam are good christian people, but the bible ses all sins are comited equel, and god sed that. so is it bad to break those rules and ask for forgivness? no mater wat god ses he will forgive and forget. so if i did something with a girl before i was maried or anything that falls under something like that is it still bad? cuz god is perfecet so if we dont sin dosnt that make us perfect? that would be a sin cuz gods the only one perfact and if i was he wouldent be cuz he sed he was the only one that was so he would have sind cuz he lied and the wourld woul die! so dont we have to break the rules and sin? ps girls are the only thing i realy think about so thats y this question always pops up in my head so i had to ask.

[ray8806]

Oh, yea our Almighty Father is all-forgiving. We, as humans, will sin. He understands that. If we are truly sorry for your sin, he'll forgive us.

[Antares]

Boys Puberty :arrow: ROTW

[dude14]

thanks thats what i wanted to hear:) its just all my teachers( i go to a christian school) make it sound like im going to hell if i so much as kiss a girl before marage. like realy one of them sed that, i was so mad but oh well.

[Fruit_Tart.]

sins. hehe... im good with those. :P if you sin i believe that "god" will forgive you if he really is that almighty, forgiving, down-to-earth being. :) and i believe that everyone sins according to the sins you believe in. and i say everyone does becuz no one is perfect and could keep that clean of a record. ^_^

[Death]

me and my fam are good christian people, but the bible ses all sins are comited equel, and god sed that.

That means nothing. If that's true, then having sex with someone with concent but without being married (which there is obviously nothing wrong with) would be just as bad as murder.

so is it bad to break those rules and ask for forgivness? no mater wat god ses he will forgive and forget.

I couldn't really say so because personally, I'd find it a waste of time since it wouldn't do anything.

so if i did something with a girl before i was maried or anything that falls under something like that is it still bad?

If you're asking if the Bible condemns it, then the answer is most probably yes since it condemns round about everything that's morally sound. But if you're asking if it's evil, then no, you are under no obligation to marry her before having sex with her. Your life, your body, your choice.

cuz god is perfecet

Think it through; because suffering exists and God does nothing about it, it means that he either doesn't care (or is causing the suffering himself) meaning that he's not omni-benevolent (all-loving), is powerless to stop it meaning that he isn't omnipotent (all-powerful), or he is unaware of this phenomena meaning he isn't omniscient (all-knowing). So God cannot be perfect as it is a logical impossibility.

so if we dont sin dosnt that make us perfect?

Perfection isn't just down to sin. If you think about it, that's a rather narrow viewpoint.

that would be a sin cuz gods the only one perfact and if i was he wouldent be cuz he sed he was the only one that was so he would have sind cuz he lied and the wourld woul die!

Why would the world die? And I find it pretty safe to say that you're not perfect. Take your spelling for instance; is that perfect?

so dont we have to break the rules and sin?

I can see why you're saying that, but if God exists, then I see no reason why he can't update what he said. But of course, he doesn't ever intervine (probably because he doesn't exist), so it wouldn't really matter either way.

[Sage]

the bible ses all sins are comited equel,
Does that make it true?

and god sed that.
The people who write the Bible said that.

so is it bad to break those rules and ask for forgivness?
What's the point of having rules if you just plan on breaking them and asking for forgiveness continually? That's pretty petty as far as moral codes go.

no mater wat god ses he will forgive and forget.
Where does it say anything about forget?

so if i did something with a girl before i was maried or anything that falls under something like that is it still bad?
Do you have any reason to believe it's bad other than the bible saying so?

cuz god is perfecet so if we dont sin dosnt that make us perfect?
How would you define perfect, dude14?

that would be a sin cuz gods the only one perfact and if i was he wouldent be cuz he sed he was the only one that was so he would have sind cuz he lied and the wourld woul die!
This is a bit too incoherent for me to make sense out of.

so dont we have to break the rules and sin? ps girls are the only thing i realy think about so thats y this question always pops up in my head so i had to ask.
Think about this, dude14:

Is something a morally wrong to do because God said it's morally wrong to do, or does God say it's morally wrong to do because it is morally wrong to do?

If the first is true, then at any point, God could come out of nowhere and completely change what he considers 'right' and 'wrong' to be, meaning all moral beliefs you hold are completely arbitrary.

If the second is true, it means that God doesn't decide what's right and wrong, he merely tries to inform the world of what they are, meaning you don't need to read through his dusty old book of morals.

I don't even see why you're so keen on following a religion in which you have to look for loopholes just to do the things you want to do and be yourself.

[karl]

Just think. Did God turn his back on Man or did Man turn his back on God? What changed when Jesus was crucified? I'm no scholar in matters of religion, but I believe in the second coming of Christ. By his deeds Man said to God he didn't need Him. That's why God is leaving everything to us here on earth and not intervening in anything. Who is the Prince of this World? Who was able to offer Jesus the whole World?

[dude14]

Well god is there amd he is perfect but if man did not sin god would be imperfact. Wich he isnt. Imperfect. He is perfect. so if i dont sin thats also a sin against goso i think i will sin but i wont kill someone i swear lol.

[Sage]

Just think. Did God turn his back on Man or did Man turn his back on God?

Neither. Hypothetically, if man was given free will, what good would that free will be if living for any purpose other than that of worship and servitude would send you straight into an eternity of pain and anguish?

[Magus]

What changed when Jesus was crucified?

(Devil's Advocate/Muslim)

Uhhh.... nothing?

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In Islam, the Prophet Jesus (Arabic: عيسى عليه السلام‎ `Īsā Alayhi As Salam) is considered to be a Messenger of God who was sent to guide the People of Israel (banī isrā'īl) with a new scripture, the Injīl or Gospel.[1] In sharp contrast to Christianity, Islam emphatically denies that Jesus was the Son of God, or that he was divine in any way. While accepting his Virgin Birth, Islam denies that Jesus was ever crucified or resurrected, or that he ever atoned for the sins of mankind; it especially scorns any notions that Jesus is to be worshipped or prayed to.

~ Wiki.

Sorry, your religion contradicts mine, unfortunately.

[Skeln]

Um...I think the whole idea is that humans are imperfect and will consequently sin. I don't think it is possible for a human to live his entire life without committing a sin. Just taking pride in your schoolwork is a sin...at least I think it is. Is pride a sin?

[Amnesiac]

Um...I think the whole idea is that humans are imperfect and will consequently sin. I don't think it is possible for a human to live his entire life without committing a sin. Just taking pride in your schoolwork is a sin...at least I think it is. Is pride a sin?

Boasting is a sin... so showing off to others would count, I guess.

It really isn't possible to go your life without sinning. Shaving is a sin. Working on Sunday is a sin. Many of us shave, correct?

[Inconvenience]

u can think about girls as much as u want. u know what i think? the only think god wants from us it to be good people. thinkin about girls doesn't make us bad.

and once again, never ask for forgivness about what u don't feel sorry. i mean u might not feel sorry for thinkin about girls all the time, but u might say oh god i'm sorry and forgive me, because u've been told it's a sin thinkin about girls.

so in conclution , u're young, it's absolutely acceptable thought u have. so feel free

[Skeln]

^^ I agree. As long as you do your best and you don't do anything to intentionally harm others, then that's the best you can do. However, even this is a far-fetched goal. Just do your best to be the best you can be. If you goof up every now and then, well it's not like you'll be sent to hellp. If you truely regret something, then you may ask for forgiveness but to be honest I doubt even that is necessary. If God does exist, he should be understanding.

[Death]

Well god is there amd he is perfect but if man did not sin god would be imperfact. Wich he isnt. Imperfect. He is perfect. so if i dont sin thats also a sin against goso i think i will sin but i wont kill someone i swear lol.

Thankyou very much for just ignoring everything I just said. Why do I bother posting it?

[Insanity Fair]

Thankyou very much for just ignoring everything I just said. Why do I bother posting it?

Why bother?

[Sith Lord 13]

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In Islam, the Prophet Jesus (Arabic: عيسى عليه السلام‎ `Īsā Alayhi As Salam) is considered to be a Messenger of God who was sent to guide the People of Israel (banī isrā'īl) with a new scripture, the Injīl or Gospel.[1] In sharp contrast to Christianity, Islam emphatically denies that Jesus was the Son of God, or that he was divine in any way. While accepting his Virgin Birth, Islam denies that Jesus was ever crucified or resurrected, or that he ever atoned for the sins of mankind; it especially scorns any notions that Jesus is to be worshipped or prayed to.

~ Wiki.

Sorry, your religion contradicts mine, unfortunately.

Is the actual belief that he was never crucified? Or that his death on the cross meant nothing?

If the latter, that's fine and dandy, but the former is backed up by independent, secular historical sources. (Pliny the Younger and Josephus for two examples)

[Amnesiac]

Why bother?

Because this is debate? haha

[Magus]

Is the actual belief that he was never crucified? Or that his death on the cross meant nothing?

If the latter, that's fine and dandy, but the former is backed up by independent, secular historical sources. (Pliny the Younger and Josephus for two examples)

If you did not notice the "or", meaning there are scholars who agree on things about Jesus, and some do not; non of those things are really significant, though. There are no set things.

When I was "brainwashed"(fingerquotes) by my parents, they told me that Jesus had an angel as a replacement. Of course, my father is a layman and wasn't even a religious guy. But he told me that in order not to confuse God(as there were Christian(Indian) neighbours)

Of course, I wasn't convinced that Jesus was God, or God as a separate entity, or his child; especially the issue of "Trinity". And foremostly, that we are made in God's image.

The same way god saved Abraham from the fire, the same thing happened here, to Jesus.

Unfortunately, I am very dim in about Christianity, but I know enough to get me through.

What say you?

[INFERNO]

me and my fam are good christian people, but the bible ses all sins are comited equel, and god sed that. so is it bad to break those rules and ask for forgivness?

You can ask but I find it to be pointless. The fates of each human is already planned out so god has his plan for you already, something that won't be changed by you asking and pleading to him.

so if i did something with a girl before i was maried or anything that falls under something like that is it still bad?

"Bad" possibly. Evil less likely.


cuz god is perfecet so if we dont sin dosnt that make us perfect?

Depends on how you define "perfect". God is said to also be all-knowing so even if you didn't ever sin, you wouldn't be all-knowing anyways. But when you look around the world, you see poverty, torture, hunger, death, destruction, etc... . Nothing that indicates peace in that. In the bible, god is a brutal blood-thirsty savage. I question and doubt god being perfect even if god were to exist.

Just think. Did God turn his back on Man or did Man turn his back on God?

Neither. God made humans and has his plan, 10 commandments and such for them to follow, thus he hasn't turned his back on them. Humans don't have free will in the bible so they can only do what god wants them to do. If this means turning their back away from god, then that's what will happen but it's controlled by god, not by the humans.


Well god is there amd he is perfect but if man did not sin god would be imperfact.

Not true. Since you're defining perfection as never sinning, you can have many perfect beings all of whom do not sin.


He is perfect. so if i dont sin thats also a sin against goso i think i will sin but i wont kill someone i swear lol.

This doesn't make sense. If god is perfect because he does not sin, then it doesn't matter what any other being does as it won't affect the fact god is perfect. You can have the entire human population be sin-free, it still won't affect the status of god as being perfect. So not sinning is not a sin.

I'm using what you're saying with god being perfect for the simple reason that pointing out the fact he isn't has already been done.

[Magus]

Depends on how you define "perfect". God is said to also be all-knowing so even if you didn't ever sin, you wouldn't be all-knowing anyways. But when you look around the world, you see poverty, torture, hunger, death, destruction, etc... . Nothing that indicates peace in that. In the bible, god is a brutal blood-thirsty savage. I question and doubt god being perfect even if god were to exist.


Nothing such as Omniscient and Omnipotent can be present. As you have said earlier in the other threads, those attributes are flawed.

If the attributes 'Omniscience', 'Omnipresence', 'Omnipotent' are all put together to constitute "Perfect" then perfect contradicts itself and concluded as "Flawed", because all those attributes contradicts one another.

Assuming God is not perfect, will that still render God as the Supreme being in your light?