Truth

[ThereforeIam042]

Just wondering what everybody out there thinks about truth, wether truth is relative or wether it's absolute or whatever other theories you have on truth.

[Sage]

Using the word "truth" when presenting any sort of idea or hypothesis as to the nature of things is something of a red flag that tells me I should be extremely skeptical. Looking at the sorts of people who often throw the word 'truth' around, including conspiracy theorists and religious nutters- I'm doubtful anyone has any sort of 'truth'.

I'd continue, but first I'd have to ask you to define 'truth' for the purpose of this debate.

[INFERNO]

What "truth" are you referring to and what makes that truth, truthful?

[Sith Lord 13]

What "truth" are you referring to and what makes that truth, truthful?

I believe that's what he's looking to debate.

Most things are true, from a certain point of view. For example, 2+2=11

When you work in base 3, that is.

[Sage]

I believe that's what he's looking to debate.

Most things are true, from a certain point of view. For example, 2+2=11

When you work in base 3, that is.

There's a nice cliche for that called "even a broken watch is correct two times a day". It still doesn't tell us anything about anything.

[Sith Lord 13]

There's a nice cliche for that called "even a broken watch is correct two times a day". It still doesn't tell us anything about anything.

No it doesn't. But truth need not be useful to be true.

[Zephyr]

Truth is absolute, what's done is done, what will be will be, what is is.

But truth is also relative to the individual living organism, because every organism perceives the world around us differently than one another and experience it in different ways.

Here's an example of what I'm getting at:

Person A and Person B are in the same space observing the weather.

Person A thinks it's just right, not too hot, not too cold- that's the truth for them.
Person B thinks it's too hot and humid- that's the truth for them.

But in the end, the weather is exactly what it is as an entity at that very moment in time, it's absolute in itself, people just perceive it differently.

[ThereforeIam042]

What I meant was do you find truth to be realtive,truth being more a matter of opinion,or do you find truth to be absolute as in,some things will always be true and some thongs will always be untrue. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

[Skeln]

Well, I think this is one of those half-flled/half-empty questions.

As for opinions, the truth can sometimes differ based on opinions. For instance, there was a crime committed and there are two witnesses who are called to the stand to testify for or against the defendant. Seeing as how the tweo witnesses are likely to be in two different positions, it gives them different views as to what happened. One may have seen one thing, and the other may have seen something else. If the testimonies are contradicting eachother, it doesn't mean that one of them is lying. Maybe one say something more clearly, or say something from a different point of view.

Take this for example. You and your friend are play-wresteling on the ground. To the both of you, it's all fun and games. Then you have an adult come over and think that you two are fighting. It happens. It's happened to me. It doesn't mean that if that adult repeated the story they would by lying, becasue they didn't understand the entire situation. And to define lying, I'm saying that lying is the voluntary act of warping the truth to satisfy your views. What that adult say may not be the absolute truth, but it's what they saw.

[Dorsum Oppel]

Truth is absolute, what's done is done, what will be will be, what is is.

Nothing is absolute. Each person defines a personal space and reality in which truth is subjective to the individual realities. There are commonly accepted truths for the purpose of a common meeting grounds among most humans so we can at least have an illusion of order.

Example:
I pour an amount of water into a graduated cylinder. It reads 12 mg. Therefor, I have 12 mg. of water.

These statistic allow humans to create artificial order in the world. You'll notice that I say 'artificial'. I do not beleive in such a thing as true order, or truth. I don't even beleive in concrete existence. I conclude, thus;

Truth: No such thing.

[Zephyr]

Nothing is absolute. Each person defines a personal space and reality in which truth is subjective to the individual realities.

You'll find I addressed that in the rest of my post :P

[Dorsum Oppel]

You'll find I addressed that in the rest of my post :P

I was referring to a different level of being.