Paradox

[Richi07]

Have you ever heard about this phylosopher that said: "When I die, I'll ask God if he can make a rock so hard that even He wouldn't be able to break it. That way, if He can do it, He won't be able to break it and therefore, there is something that He can't do; and if He can't make the rock then there's also something that He can't do."

What do you think about this?

[Jess]

Yes, we talked about this in my world affairs class. if God can make, do anything, then he can make a rock that he can't break.....well...there's something he can't do

[Obscene Eyedeas]

Have you ever heard about this phylosopher that said: "When I die, I'll ask God if he can make a rock so hard that even He wouldn't be able to break it. That way, if He can do it, He won't be able to break it and therefore, there is something that He can't do; and if He can't make the rock then there's also something that He can't do."

What do you think about this?

If one was to believe in god, we do not have to ask God to create a rock even he couldn't break to prove he is not infallible. God is all powerful and yet he cannot create a being that pleases him. Thus showing God creates beings that anger him but if God is almighty and infallible he should not rain wrath upon his creation, yet he does.

The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup. For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.
(Psalm 11:5-7)

[Insanity Fair]

The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup. For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.
(Psalm 11:5-7)

Please remember Psalms mainly consists of poetry from great kings and muse's of "the bible days". Nothing that he "wrote himself".

[Richi07]

God is all powerful and yet he cannot create a being that pleases him. Thus showing God creates beings that anger him but if God is almighty and infallible he should not rain wrath upon his creation, yet he does.

Yeah, so, you would say God isn't perfect?

[HillBillyWilly]

Please remember Psalms mainly consists of poetry from great kings and muse's of "the bible days". Nothing that he "wrote himself".

Psalms is not taken from God yes, but it still has value in the bible. It may not be relevant to this discussion, but it still has weight in Christianity.


Now, on to the next topic.


God is perfect, and i do not think anyone would really want to challenge God's will in heaven, let alone think about logic because i imagine they would be overjoyed with eternal life with Him.

BUT...I think that God is perfect, therefore, if he cannot break a rock he created then it is not of this universe.

[Richi07]

BUT...I think that God is perfect, therefore, if he cannot break a rock he created then it is not of this universe.

Hmmm... That seems preety logical to me. I think you may be right.

[INFERNO]

Psalms is not taken from God yes, but it still has value in the bible. It may not be relevant to this discussion, but it still has weight in Christianity.

Jesus on the cross has weight in Christianity but is irrelevant also. Irrelevant is irrelevant.


God is perfect, and i do not think anyone would really want to challenge God's will in heaven, let alone think about logic because i imagine they would be overjoyed with eternal life with Him.

Heaven is god's area that is supposedly perfect yet Earth clearly isn't, so would being in heaven give god enough power to make a rock he cannot break?


BUT...I think that God is perfect, therefore, if he cannot break a rock he created then it is not of this universe.

If it is not of this universe, then where is it? You are implying that god's power is limited within a certain area (the universe) and outside it, he's not all-powerful, potentially another being is stronger, better and closer to perfection than god is.
So we can reject this notion of his perfection and all-powerfulness by saying he's pretty good but not quite there.

OR, are you implying that such a rock would not exist anywhere? In that case, we're at the same conclusion he's not all-powerful nor perfect because he cannot achieve this.

If god could do anything and was perfection, all-powerful and his power was not limited to any specific areas, then he should be able to make a rock he cannot break (although this too does suggest he perhaps isn't all-powerful). Either way, he's imperfect through this paradox. In your answer though, you showed his imperfection is also limited to specific areas.