SB1070 law in AZ

[Kuervo]

i cudnt find this here soo yh

i bet u guys tht live in the US have heard a lot about the SB1070 law in Arizona. wut do U think about this law. many ppl think its unconstitutional and discriminates against the Mexican immigrants while others say its the right thing to do.

for those tht dont know wut this law says here it goes:
the SB1070 (signed by former governor Jan Brewer) identifies, prosecutes, and deports illegal immigrants. "the law means that all immigrants in Arizona must now carry their alien registration documents and it means that police can question anyone they think may be in the United States illegally. It will also address people that knowingly hire illegal immigrants or who transport them. "

So wut do u guys think of this

[Awesome]

I do agree with this. Immigrants are coming in everyday, increasing our the amount of immigrants in America. This helps enforce the current law. This should help stop some illegal immigration and other illegal things on the Arizona border.

[Kaius]

:arrow2: ROTW

[Jess]

I don't like it much. they'll question people that AREN'T illegal immigrants (and they look like they are illegal) and some don't carry around their alien registration documents.

[Sith Lord 13]

Assuming the documents are easy enough to carry around (ie are obtainable in a format similar to a drivers licence), and that the penalty for being here legally while not carrying the documents is just the inconvenience of having to be taken to get your legality verified, I see no problem with this law. Illegal immigration is a serious issue, especially in border states.

[Junky]

Alright I'll try and set the record straight:
They legally cannot ask for your ID without stopping you for breaking a law. What is the first think that a cop will ask you if you get pulled over, "License and registration." If you cant produce a license he has a good reason to suspect that your an illegal alien, and can therefore question your citizenship. The law specifically prohibits racial profiling. It is basically the federal law copied so the state police can enforce it without federal consent.

[Tiberius]

Assuming the documents are easy enough to carry around (ie are obtainable in a format similar to a drivers licence), and that the penalty for being here legally while not carrying the documents is just the inconvenience of having to be taken to get your legality verified, I see no problem with this law. Illegal immigration is a serious issue, especially in border states.

A green card is just like a license. The same goes for student visas.

[Junky]

You have to carry it at all times if your an immigrant anyways, as defined by federal law. So I can't for the life of me figure out where people say that its racist.

[Sith Lord 13]

I just did some more research. All this law does is let local and state police enforce federal law. That's all. What's the big deal?

[Zephyr]

It's the right thing to do. It's not because it's racist, it's because it's the law. I don't mind immigration, just as long as it's done legally. If you can't prove that you're here legally, you need to go back to your country, no matter where in the world you came from. No, don't automatically throw somebody out if they can't prove who they are on the spot, give them a chance to prove themselves. Yes, I understand that people come here seeking better lives, you can't blame people wanting to do that, but you can only take on so many before the ship starts to sink due to a potential lack of opportunities if millions of undocumented immigrants continue to reside here, and more keep entering every day.

The Mexicans shoot Guatemalans that try to illegally enter their country and it's okay, yet we're racist when we simply want to deport the Mexicans that illegally enter the US... do I smell contradiction? :rolleyes:

[Tiberius]

It's the right thing to do. It's not because it's racist, it's because it's the law. I don't mind immigration, just as long as it's done legally. If you can't prove that you're here legally, you need to go back to your country, no matter where in the world you came from. No, don't automatically throw somebody out if they can't prove who they are on the spot, give them a chance to prove themselves. Yes, I understand that people come here seeking better lives, you can't blame people wanting to do that, but you can only take on so many before the ship starts to sink due to a potential lack of opportunities if millions of undocumented immigrants continue to reside here, and more keep entering every day.

The Mexicans shoot Guatemalans that try to illegally enter their country and it's okay, yet we're racist when we simply want to deport the Mexicans that illegally enter the US... do I smell contradiction? :rolleyes:

There's no better arguement to keep them here if they don't scream racism.

[Antares]

Well, I will say first and foremost that this is racist. It is racial profiling and it allows our government to identify people by how they look in attempts to get them out of our country. Thats kinda fact.

Also, I feel like a lot of blood will be shed over this law.

Umm, as for my thoughts on it...I voted Yes. Strictly for the fact that we do need some proactive governments to try to get illegal immigrants to be exported.
However, I do not agree with some parts of it.

I also think that to effectively deal with the issue, we need to be more unified. Therefore having the federal government possibly get other border states to cooperate because right now it is one state being proactive and this wont help very much.

[Kuervo]

its pretty racist cuz for example a cop pulls me over,
me: y u pull me over ;
him: let me see ur ppr work;
me: y, do i look like an illegal or what;
him: i am suspicious of u for being an alien
me: just cuz of how i look like huh
him: let me see ur paper work plz
me: (hands him pprs)
him: alrt u can go now
me: (leaves)
(thn cop sees another mexican and pulls him over, and says the same thing)

mhmm mexicans thts wut, wut about al the other ppl tht r aliens but dont look like it huh,
ppl with pprs will begin to sue the govt because they were discriminised of,

thts all i have to say for now

[Tiberius]

its pretty racist cuz for example a cop pulls me over,
me: y u pull me over ;
him: let me see ur ppr work;
me: y, do i look like an illegal or what;
him: i am suspicious of u for being an alien
me: just cuz of how i look like huh
him: let me see ur paper work plz
me: (hands him pprs)
him: alrt u can go now
me: (leaves)
(thn cop sees another mexican and pulls him over, and says the same thing)

mhmm mexicans thts wut, wut about al the other ppl tht r aliens but dont look like it huh,
ppl with pprs will begin to sue the govt because they were discriminised of,

thts all i have to say for now
You do realize that illegal aliens are not just Mexican or even from South America, right? Or does that fact just slip your mind?

Oh yeah, and when you can actually spell, use proper grammar, capitalization and punctuation, then we can have a debate. As of right now, you look like an uneducated noob.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
If you haven't read the law, here's your chance to do it and you'll see that it's in no way racist.

[Antares]

You do realize that illegal aliens are not just Mexican or even from South America, right? Or does that fact just slip your mind?

Oh yeah, and when you can actually spell, use proper grammar, capitalization and punctuation, then we can have a debate. As of right now, you look like an uneducated noob.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
If you haven't read the law, here's your chance to do it and you'll see that it's in no way racist.

True, illegal aliens are not just Mexican or from South America but that is irrelevant considering the fact that Arizona borders Mexico and the only way they will be able to profile people is if they look like the people that are the problem; in this case mexicans.

So yes, this is very racist and it doesn't matter that all illegals aren't mexican, in this case, the ones that matter are basically always going to be Mexican

[Tiberius]

True, illegal aliens are not just Mexican or from South America but that is irrelevant considering the fact that Arizona borders Mexico and the only way they will be able to profile people is if they look like the people that are the problem; in this case mexicans.

So yes, this is very racist and it doesn't matter that all illegals aren't mexican, in this case, the ones that matter are basically always going to be Mexican

What if they asked me for proof of citizenship, is it racist then?

[Junky]

Alright the gods honest truth is that we have a Latin American Illegal alien problem. We don't have millions of Russians, Italians, Irish, British, French, or what ever kind of people you can think of. I'm not saying that we should pull people over based on looks, but at the same time you can't scream racist if you get pulled over.

its pretty racist cuz for example a cop pulls me over,
me: y u pull me over ;
him: let me see ur ppr work;
me: y, do i look like an illegal or what;
him: i am suspicious of u for being an alien
me: just cuz of how i look like huh
him: let me see ur paper work plz
me: (hands him pprs)
him: alrt u can go now
me: (leaves)
(thn cop sees another mexican and pulls him over, and says the same thing)

mhmm mexicans thts wut, wut about al the other ppl tht r aliens but dont look like it huh,
ppl with pprs will begin to sue the govt because they were discriminised of,

thts all i have to say for now

The lacks of grammar is hard to read through and doesn't help in making a point. When a cop pulls you over the FIRST thing will ask you for is license and registration. If your not carrying one of those your already breaking the law and he has the right to arrest you. If you cannot provide a license then he will question your citizenship status. Its not racist, its the law.

[Zephyr]

Of course people are going to play the racism card on it, because the majority of illegals are Mexican. The bare bones of it: You're not here legally, you need to go.

Now, I understand that they shouldn't pull you over just because of your skin color, that's wrong, yes, and it's a pain in the arse when the majority of Latinos live in the southern border states to begin with. But if there is a valid reason for them to be suspicious, such as an anonymous tip off, an employer getting caught with illegal workers and what not, then they do have good reason to check paperwork or photo ID. I do find it ridiculous however, that they would feel the need to pull somebody over when they can simply run a license plate for information without even having to pull somebody over.

[Sith Lord 13]

My understanding is that they could only pull you over for valid reasons. Then, should you fail to present a licence, that would be probable cause to check your immigration status. If I've misunderstood, I apologize, but if things are the way I understand them, where's the problem?

[Junky]

My understanding is that they could only pull you over for valid reasons. Then, should you fail to present a licence, that would be probable cause to check your immigration status. If I've misunderstood, I apologize, but if things are the way I understand them, where's the problem?
No you understand it perfectly! People just accuse this law of being racist, like obama, and because these people are in a position of power people believe them! :cool:

[Tiberius]

My understanding is that they could only pull you over for valid reasons. Then, should you fail to present a licence, that would be probable cause to check your immigration status. If I've misunderstood, I apologize, but if things are the way I understand them, where's the problem?

If you don't have you're license when a cop pulls you over, you're going to jail if you have your green card or not.

[Antares]

What if they asked me for proof of citizenship, is it racist then?

Thats not the point nor issue.

You wouldn't be pulled over in the first place because you don't look like an illegal in Arizona.

[Kuervo]

Thats not the point nor issue.

You wouldn't be pulled over in the first place because you don't look like an illegal in Arizona.

yh IN AZ, thts a big difference thn everyother state

[Junky]

Thats not the point nor issue.

You wouldn't be pulled over in the first place because you don't look like an illegal in Arizona.
Read the law you can only be pulled over if you have violated a law.
yh IN AZ, thts a big difference thn everyother state
Use some form of English please, i don't even know what your trying to say.

[Antares]

Read the law you can only be pulled over if you have violated a law.

Use some form of English please, i don't even know what your trying to say.

Agree with the bottom and according to factcheck.org:
On the much-discussed issue of whether the law permits or encourages "racial profiling," we find:
The amended law allows police to consider "race, color or national origin" when deciding whether to ask somebody for proof of citizenship, but only to the extent already deemed constitutional by the courts.
It remains to be seen how police will interpret the law’s anti-profiling language in practice. State officials tell us they have yet to work out what factors police should be trained to use to establish "reasonable suspicion" of illegal status.
Federal officials are open to criticisms similar to some of those being made about Arizona’s law. A federal manual for training state and local officials says they may consider whether a person has a "thick foreign accent" or looks "out of place" when deciding whether to ask them about their immigration status

So yea, this at its base is racist.
But then again, everyones just a little bit racist :P

[Junky]

Agree with the bottom and according to factcheck.org:


So yea, this at its base is racist.
But then again, everyones just a little bit racist :P

I've read the law, maybe I missed it but could you point out where it says the " law allows police to consider "race, color or national origin" when deciding whether to ask somebody for proof of citizenship, but only to the extent already deemed constitutional by the courts." ? Please and thanks

If the police have pulled you over and you can not provide a license, registration, proof of insurance, any type of ID , and you have a thick Spanish accent your probably a illegal alien. It's not racist, its common sense people. Even if your not illegal your still going to jail for driving without a license, insurance, and registration.

[Kuervo]

i dont know if you guys have heard butArizona got sued because of the law, they said its unconstitutional

[Sith Lord 13]

i dont know if you guys have heard butArizona got sued because of the law, they said its unconstitutional

Everything I've seen from that lawsuit is bull. No real legal grounds for it.

[Junky]

i dont know if you guys have heard butArizona got sued because of the law, they said its unconstitutional
Yes I know I am well informed on the subject.
Arizona is being sued because they allegedly overstepped there authority in a federal issue; traditionally it was the Federal Governments role to enforce immigration laws. But because they have failed to do that the state of Arizona has ratified the federal law to become part of the states laws so that local police can enforce it, alongside of federal agents. They are NOT let me repeat NOT being sued because there law is somehow racist. And if they are the lawsuit will be dropped by a judge due to the fact that the law itself has no racial sentiment.

[Joey15]

I agree with the law illegal immigration is in fact ILLEGAL

[dead]

I've read the law, maybe I missed it but could you point out where it says the " law allows police to consider "race, color or national origin" when deciding whether to ask somebody for proof of citizenship, but only to the extent already deemed constitutional by the courts." ? Please and thanks

If the police have pulled you over and you can not provide a license, registration, proof of insurance, any type of ID , and you have a thick Spanish accent your probably a illegal alien. It's not racist, its common sense people. Even if your not illegal your still going to jail for driving without a license, insurance, and registration.

This is what I hate about fuckin' people. The accent does not matter when in play with illegal immigration when they have no identification or proof of citizenship. I know illegal aliens (Not outer space aliens) that have never been questioned of the're citizenship status (without background information of course) even though they commit obvious crimes. With this known I do know two others who do have a Spanish accent and have been questioned of the're citizenship status without proper reasoning.

[CaliKid24]

i dont agree with it fully, i do agree that it encourages racial profiling, but if u live by the mexican border i think u will agree that this is a huge problem. i agree with it until someone comes out with something better. and it is NOT unconstitutional.

[Junky]

i dont agree with it fully, i do agree that it encourages racial profiling, but if u live by the mexican border i think u will agree that this is a huge problem. i agree with it until someone comes out with something better. and it is NOT unconstitutional.
Please explain to me how it is not?

[CaliKid24]

Please explain to me how it is not?

Arizona has the right to pass their own immigration laws. this arizona law is already a federal law, but its enforced differently in different states. i can see how people think its racial profiling, but honestly look at the ratio of illegal immigrants who are white versus mexican. not trying to be racist, but i live close to the Mexican-American border and someone needs to do something about immigration.

[Junky]

Arizona has the right to pass their own immigration laws. this arizona law is already a federal law, but its enforced differently in different states. i can see how people think its racial profiling, but honestly look at the ratio of illegal immigrants who are white versus mexican. not trying to be racist, but i live close to the Mexican-American border and someone needs to do something about immigration.
Haha my bad i thought you said it was unconstitutional, up to late :lol:

[swimmerjeff]

Some high-profile Congress member, or the like (I can't remember who, specifically), is quoted as saying "this law makes illegal immigrants criminal."
Excuse me?! Illegal immigrants are illegal, and we should do everything in our power to stop the flow of illegals to America: not only because it undermines the thousands of people who legally wait for citizenship in this country, but because it clearly also undermines our national and local security. (Like Phoenix, being one of the kidnapping capitals of the world).
In my opinion, the suing of the state of Arizona by the Obama administration and his Justice Department is a violation and trampling of state rights by an out-of-control central government.

[Junky]

Some high-profile Congress member, or the like (I can't remember who, specifically), is quoted as saying "this law makes illegal immigrants criminal."
Excuse me?! Illegal immigrants are illegal, and we should do everything in our power to stop the flow of illegals to America: not only because it undermines the thousands of people who legally wait for citizenship in this country, but because it clearly also undermines our national and local security. (Like Phoenix, being one of the kidnapping capitals of the world).
In my opinion, the suing of the state of Arizona by the Obama administration and his Justice Department is a violation and trampling of state rights by an out-of-control central government.
Yes and then the Justice Department drops the black panther lawsuit which was basically won and only needed sentencing.
For those of you who haven't heard this man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVcfymOvoUo (the guy at the end) stood outside of an election booth with a baton and shouting racial slurs and intimidating voters, which is a federal crime.

[SneakBrain]

Alright the gods honest truth is that we have a Latin American Illegal alien problem. We don't have millions of Russians, Italians, Irish, British, French, or what ever kind of people you can think of. I'm not saying that we should pull people over based on looks, but at the same time you can't scream racist if you get pulled over.



The lacks of grammar is hard to read through and doesn't help in making a point. When a cop pulls you over the FIRST thing will ask you for is license and registration. If your not carrying one of those your already breaking the law and he has the right to arrest you. If you cannot provide a license then he will question your citizenship status. Its not racist, its the law.

yes, even if you were American