The War on Terror(discuss)

[kolte]

Allot of people think that the only way to win the war on terror is to kill as many terrorists as possible. However, what are the terrorists killing us for anyways? Well, I think we can all agree, the United States of America, and most other western powers, are very corrupt. Wouldn’t you agree? Why, don’t you yourself think that something should be done about this inner corruption? Don’t you yourself believe that many things should be changed? You know, those terrorists, though perhaps extreme and corrupted themselves, with there religion of course, have a point.

Why not, instead of killing terrorists, try and fix these problems. Wouldn’t it make more sense to try and, be more equal, and kind, and friendly to the world? I personally don’t think we can solve our problems by killing the people that disagree with us. We should win this war with diplomacy, understanding and logic. We should extend a hand, and help those in need. Not kill them into submission.

To all those who are Christian and disagree with me right now. WWJD
To all those who aren’t Christian and disagree with me right now. WW you D

[Phantom]

LOL no they are after us because they are EXTREMISTS just read the other thread or look at a Koran. We are infidels anyone who dosnt beleive in Islam is an infidel and must be killed, I mean comon if they didnt like us because we are supposedbly corrupt was there realy a need to fly planes into our buildings and kill 3000 inocents or to capture journalists in Afghanistan and Iraq and cut off their head while they are kicking and screaming while yelling ALLAH ACBAR!

[kolte]

If we show them peace. They will show us peace. They believe in Jesus and his morality just like the other prophets. They will show mercy only when we show mercy. Perhaps we should leave there holy lands alone? Perhaps we should leave them to there affiars. We need to understand, that no matter how much we want to middle east to be free, they have to want to be free. But then comes into question the definition of freedom. WHich the USA does not have either.

[Makod]

They believe in Jesus and his morality just like the other prophets.

I'm not sure about this, but the rest of the post is correct.

Phantom you're acting like the extremists you have been ranting about. You both (you and the terrorists) refuse to listen to anything that does not agree with your beliefs. And there are 2 sects of Muslims Shi'ite and Sunni, both have totally different versions of the Koran.

[kolte]

Jesus is one of the MOST mentioned prophets in the Koren. I own a copy of the Al Koren, the english version. Its very true.

[Whisper]

wrong

if you want to stop them then make the NATO allies send more troops and supplys into the middle east so they can no longer instill local fear or control
Crush the drug trade which would cut off the majority of there funds
warn pakistan that we are at war with Al-Quida and Hamas and if they aid them in anyway (which they are now) we will be forced to take action (NOT necesarally millitary action probly just economic sanctions by the United Nations Security Council)

This is how The terrorists defeated the soviets
This is how they defeated us last time (desert storm)
are you really going to make the same mistakes AGAIN
This war is going to be won or lost on a political battle feild we all know they cant take down even Canada's military were kicking there ass in southern afganistan the way they will win is by tirning us against it

I mean really would you say the same thing if you were talking about Hitler and the Nazis? This is no diffrent they want to cleanse the world of all infidels...there just not nearly as bright or powerful as Germany was
nowonder they had no problem declaring open war in the early 90's shortly befor bombing american embassys and attacks like the first twin towers bombing (BEFOR 9/11) van in the underground parking lot member..yea

We tried peaceful protests america could have killed bin ladin easily in the 90s in fact they were going to after the embassy bombings but both times they were ready to fire a tomahawk at him he was to close to large civilian populations including many children so they scrapped it both times

They have no intrest in peace
they are NOT peaceful i dont care what anyone says anybody whos society lets them treat women like that lets them rape a 9yr old girl and be found innocent and stonning the girl to death is NOT peaceful
anybody who murders civilians without a second thought is NOT peaceful

I love my country
Were peacekeepers
its a reputation we have worked VERY hard to get
we've been on more peacekeeping missions with the UN then ANYother country

we were also the first ever to be attacked by chlorine gas
we still heald the line
were the only country thats burned down the white house
we still hold the world record for the longest sniper shot

Peace isnt always an option
you can only have peace if its something both sides have a desire for
Al-Quida and Hamas have NO intrest in peace
if we were to just up and leave theyd see it as yet another victory
and theyd become even bolder
the next terrorist attack could kill millions

what if we leave and iran gives them a nuke?
colapsing a few buildings is nothing compared to what setting off a nuke in New York could do

Dont get me wrong bush is....well....an idiot
and I hate his views on ALLOT of issues
the war on terror isnt one of them

This is the SECOND time weve gone in
I say we finnish the dam job this time

A ligitimate democratic government is getting on its feet
health care actually exists there now
MILLIONS of girls that used to be treated as though there lives were worthless are now attending school and for the firs time learning how to read and write

food and clean water is becoming easily accessable
you dont have to live in terror of being raped or stoned in brod daylight
the taliban are on the run
were winning!

[Makod]

Were peacekeepers
its a reputation we have worked VERY hard to get


Wait, the US has the reputation of being peace keepers? What?

[Makod]

Ahh of course. Makes sense I guess.

[cmpcmp]

However, what are the terrorists killing us for anyways?
becuase they believe that it is their religious duty to kill infidels and especialy the west. They want the world to be One Islamic Theoracy, no freedom and no understanding.
the United States of America, and most other western powers, are very corrupt.

Under your classification of corrupt, every country in the world is has been and probly will be corupt untill the end of time (or government). If ur using that to try and make what the terrorists are doing any more justified, since they are corupt so bad we should do what to them?
You know, those terrorists, though perhaps extreme and corrupted themselves, with there religion of course, have a point.
Their point is do kill infidels, nothing more and nothing less than what they belive is perscribed by facist Islam.

Why not, instead of killing terrorists, try and fix these problems. Wouldn’t it make more sense to try and, be more equal, and kind, and friendly to the world? I personally don’t think we can solve our problems by killing the people that disagree with us. We should win this war with diplomacy, understanding and logic. We should extend a hand, and help those in need. Not kill them into submission.

In an ideal world where this could happen, we would do it in a heart beat. But the stark reality ur not getting is that, if we give lets say, The Taliban Hedical aid they will use it on their wounded soldiers so that they can attack us again, or possibly sell it for money. If we give sadaam money for oil to buy his ppl food he will (and has) used it to build deeped bunkers for himself.

A good question for you to wrestle with is, what should we have done to pre WWII germany? they weren't impoverished or poor, not by a long shot thay had one of the strongest economies on Earth. AS the hate for nonarians and generalt nongerman nazis every where grew should we have reached out a hand of understanding to them? while we did in the form of treaties and they blitzcreeked poland with out feelling any guilt and then horded millions of ppl in to prison camps and killed them.

Understanding doesn't fix failed reasoning like Eugenics (responsible for Nazism) or facists Islam (terrorism). Reasoning can't be changed by an out side force, and the only way to become that influence (democracy w/ free press) u must topple the regime that has the ppl hostage, but the ppl don't like u either so what is one to do? it is a terrible situation.

[0=]

Whisper, you have joined the head-up-own-ass war monger list. War has never solved anything.

[Whisper]

wow an ass comment whatever shall I do -shivvers-

Oh thats right because it was flower power that seperated america from the empire, that ended slavery, that stopped the nazis, that froze communism in its tracks

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/s/T/prowarsign1.jpg

popo...your so...young
the innocence, its so cute

Some wars are necessary
its a fact of life
I'm not saying they should be takin lightly or entered to on a whim there a LAST resort
But I'm a solider at heart I have no problem fighting for my freedom for my family
to protect from attacks
If a real war happens again
If Canada or its allies are threatened
I'll enlist without a second though


I find it funny how everyones bitching about this now but on September 11th 2001 when Bush said this wasent just a trajic act it was an act of war nobody was screaming flower power nobody was saying well maybe we just need to help them and they'll be nice
you bitch and bitch and bitch about it now but when push comes to shove u love having the most powerful military on the planet who the hell wouldnt! i mean honestly

(sorry its big no time to resize) this dosent include the failed attempts like United 93 or the Toronto bombing
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/TerroristAttacksAlQaeda.png
They've been killing civilians in terrorist attacks for decades
they stone rape beat and torture women without a second thought
and the western world is sick of it
so NATO is kicking there ass


I really do feel sorry for Bush
EVERYBODY is blaiming EVERYTHING on him
nobody bothers to use there head and realise that the american government and at the begining the american people as a whole were behind him
along with all NATO member countries
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Map_of_NATO_countries.png

[Phantom]

I'm not sure about this, but the rest of the post is correct.

Phantom you're acting like the extremists you have been ranting about. You both (you and the terrorists) refuse to listen to anything that does not agree with your beliefs. And there are 2 sects of Muslims Shi'ite and Sunni, both have totally different versions of the Koran.Yeah I know about the separate sects of muslims and your point is? You see what I mean you have absolutly nothing to support your argument you just try to pick apart our arguments (whichs fails all the time) LOL I could call you a fanatic by those conditions too and BTW I listen to your arguments and read them all you are just plain wrong its not a POV issue. If I said that dogs cant fly and you say they can you are WRONG its not a POV thing. One day I hope you will open your eyes and learn somthing about this conflict.

[0=]

It's all about your point of view, it's a matter of it being credible or not. If more people fidn one point of view credible, it is considered true and the other point of view false, although that doesn't mean the people are right, they just like that idea better.

whiser, the Nazis only became so powerful because we kept supplying them arms in the first place, and guess what, a lot of corporations made money off of that war too, IBM made the coding system for the camps, Fanta was created by the Coca Cola company to sell to the Nazis. everything about that war was profitable for our country, we weren't needed to stop them. The terrorists wouldn't even want to kill us if we weren't greedy fucks policing the world for money, if I lived in Iraq, I would be trying to hurt this country too. So would you, all of you would, because America is a big fat asshole run by greedy corporations. You have no proof whatsoever that peace can't solve anything because never in history has anyone bothered with diplomatics and peaceful meetings, we go straight to fucking them up the ass with bombs and bullets.

Also, it hasn't ended fascism, guess what country is fascist?

[Phantom]

I'm not evenm gonna waste my time with you if you're just gonna call everything I say false.Because it mostly all is.

"Our fascist government is just scaring us so we think this stupid war is justified, do you realize that if they wanted to hijack a plane, all they would ahev to do is slip a bomb into the argo hold disguised as a briefcase, and modify a portable game system to be used as a triggering device? That's much easier than hiding fucking nitro glycerin in a water bottle."

LOL what a load of shit ^this is what I am talking about. How can you even be so uninformed to even begin to call the american goverment fascist I doubt you even know what that means. Why dont you go to Iran and demontrate your FREE SPEACH as I can see you like to spew and spew some BS at ayahtolla huh watch how fast you get tortured and executed. Why dont you go over there and try to stand up LOL, Or be homosexual you get hung. O yeah and metal detectors they have a purpose ^

[Makod]

Yeah I know about the separate sects of muslims and your point is? You see what I mean you have absolutly nothing to support your argument you just try to pick apart our arguments (whichs fails all the time) LOL I could call you a fanatic by those conditions too and BTW I listen to your arguments and read them all you are just plain wrong its not a POV issue. If I said that dogs cant fly and you say they can you are WRONG its not a POV thing. One day I hope you will open your eyes and learn somthing about this conflict.

Dude, the different sects of Islam have different rules, you are backing your arguments with nothing but insults.

Oh, we're not saying that the government of Iran is good, we're saying it's no worse than ours. The people of Iran people are not all bad.

[Phantom]

Dude, the different sects of Islam have different rules, you are backing your arguments with nothing but insults.No I am not. Both sunni and Shiite beleive in killing infidels.

[Makod]

Oh, ok, so every muslim is a terrorist lets go kill about 1/6 of the world's population. To make sure these evil muslims never ever attack our beautiful, innocent country ever again. That sound good, ya?

[Kiros]

Phantom, first warning. Do not act like you have previously.

[Phantom]

kk just trying to educate these guys, and their ignorance pisses me off.

[redcar]

if you guys dont shut up about all this being ignorant carry on, this may get locked. because you are all getting way off topic, and just getting generally bitchy.

[kolte]

You sons of fucking bitches. You fould, arrogant fucks! I seriously don't want to see you in this forum for the next week. phantom. You have shown no respect to anyone at all. Leave. No warnings from me, no nothing. I don't care if you apologize, if you respond to this question or even consider it, I will personlly see to it you are banned, hopefully for good, you have defouled my forum. I have deleted all the posts I consider spam.

Don't you dare.

Any more fighting or bickering or even a hint of arrogance. This will be locked. and that member warned. Though I might have allready said that here. I'll have to look.

no more.