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September 12th, 2006, 06:57 PM
I don't know if this belongs in the daily chronicle or here, but read this, and think carefully about it, how could anyone believe this bullshit?

Text of President Bush's 9/11 Address

The Associated Press
Monday, September 11, 2006; 9:49 PM

WASHINGTON -- A text of President Bush's address Monday evening, as provided by the White House:

Bush: Good evening. Five years ago, this date _ September the 11th _ was seared into America/s memory. Nineteen men attacked us with a barbarity unequaled in our history. They murdered people of all colors, creeds, and nationalities _ and made war upon the entire free world. Since that day, America and her allies have taken the offensive in a war unlike any we have fought before. Today, we are safer, but we are not yet safe. On this solemn night, I have asked for some of your time to discuss the nature of the threat still before us, what we are doing to protect our nation ... and the building of a more hopeful Middle East that holds the key to peace for America and the world.

On 9/11, our nation saw the face of evil. Yet on that awful day, we also witnessed something distinctly American: ordinary citizens rising to the occasion, and responding with extraordinary acts of courage. We saw courage in office workers who were trapped on the high floors of burning skyscrapers _ and called home so that their last words to their families would be of comfort and love. We saw courage in passengers aboard Flight 93, who recited the 23rd Psalm _ and then charged the cockpit. And we saw courage in the Pentagon staff who made it out of the flames and smoke _ and ran back in to answer cries for help. On this day, we remember the innocent who lost their lives _ and we pay tribute to those who gave their lives so that others might live.

For many of our citizens, the wounds of that morning are still fresh. I have met firefighters and police officers who choke up at the memory of fallen comrades. I have stood with families gathered on a grassy field in Pennsylvania, who take bittersweet pride in loved ones who refused to be victims _ and gave America our first victory in the war on terror. And I have sat beside young mothers with children who are now five-years-old _ and still long for the daddies who will never cradle them in their arms. Out of this suffering, we resolve to honor every man and woman lost. And we seek their lasting memorial in a safer and more hopeful world.

Since the horror of 9/11, we have learned a great deal about the enemy. We have learned that they are evil and kill without mercy _ but not without purpose. We have learned that they form a global network of extremists who are driven by a perverted vision of Islam _ a totalitarian ideology that hates freedom, rejects tolerance and despises all dissent. And we have learned that their goal is to build a radical Islamic empire where women are prisoners in their homes, men are beaten for missing prayer meetings, and terrorists have a safe haven to plan and launch attacks on America and other civilized nations. The war against this enemy is more than a military conflict. It is the decisive ideological struggle of the 21st century, and the calling of our generation.

Our nation is being tested in a way that we have not been since the start of the Cold War. We saw what a handful of our enemies can do with box-cutters and plane tickets. We hear their threats to launch even more terrible attacks on our people. And we know that if they were able to get their hands on weapons of mass destruction, they would use them against us. We face an enemy determined to bring death and suffering into our homes. America did not ask for this war, and every American wishes it were over. So do I. But the war is not over _ and it will not be over until either we or the extremists emerge victorious. If we do not defeat these enemies now, we will leave our children to face a Middle East overrun by terrorist states and radical dictators armed with nuclear weapons. We are in a war that will set the course for this new century _ and determine the destiny of millions across the world.

For America, 9/11 was more than a tragedy _ it changed the way we look at the world. On September the 11th, we resolved that we would go on the offense against our enemies _ and we would not distinguish between the terrorists and those who harbor or support them. So we helped drive the Taliban from power in Afghanistan. We put al-Qaida on the run, and killed or captured most of those who planned the 9/11 attacks _ including the man believed to be the mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He and other suspected terrorists have been questioned by the Central Intelligence Agency _ and they have provided valuable information that has helped stop attacks in America and across the world. Now these men have been transferred to Guantanamo Bay, so they can be held to account for their actions. Osama bin Laden and other terrorists are still in hiding. Our message to them is clear: No matter how long it takes, America will find you, and we will bring you to justice.

On September the 11th, we learned that America must confront threats before they reach our shores _ whether those threats come from terrorist networks or terrorist states. I am often asked why we are in Iraq when Saddam Hussein was not responsible for the 9/11 attacks. The answer is that the regime of Saddam Hussein was a clear threat. My administration, the Congress and the United Nations saw the threat _ and after 9/11, Saddam's regime posed a risk that the world could not afford to take. The world is safer because Saddam Hussein is no longer in power. And now the challenge is to help the Iraqi people build a democracy that fulfills the dreams of the nearly 12 million Iraqis who came out to vote in free elections last December.

Al-Qaida and other extremists from across the world have come to Iraq to stop the rise of a free society in the heart of the Middle East. They have joined the remnants of Saddam's regime and other armed groups to foment sectarian violence and drive us out. Our enemies in Iraq are tough and they are committed _ but so are Iraqi and coalition forces. We are adapting to stay ahead of the enemy _ and we are carrying out a clear plan to ensure that a democratic Iraq succeeds.

We are training Iraqi troops so they can defend their nation. We are helping Iraq's unity government grow in strength and serve its people. We will not leave until this work is done. Whatever mistakes have been made in Iraq, the worst mistake would be to think that if we pulled out, the terrorists would leave us alone. They will not leave us alone. They will follow us. The safety of America depends on the outcome of the battle in the streets of Baghdad. Osama bin Laden calls this fight "the third world war" _ and he says that victory for the terrorists in Iraq will mean America's "defeat and disgrace forever."

If we yield Iraq to men like Bin Laden, our enemies will be emboldened ... they will gain a new safe haven ... and they will use Iraq's resources to fuel their extremist movement. We will not allow this to happen. America will stay in the fight. Iraq will be a free nation, and a strong ally in the war on terror.

We can be confident that our coalition will succeed _ because the Iraqi people have been steadfast in the face of unspeakable violence. And we can be confident in victory _ because of the skill and resolve of America's armed forces. Every one of our troops is a volunteer, and since the attacks of September the 11th, more than 1.6 million Americans have stepped forward to put on our nation's uniform. In Iraq, Afghanistan and other fronts in the war on terror, the men and women of our military are making great sacrifices to keep us safe. Some have suffered terrible injuries _ and nearly 3,000 have given their lives. America cherishes their memory. We pray for their families. And we will never back down from the work they have begun.

We also honor those who toil day and night to keep our homeland safe _ and we are giving them the tools they need to protect our people. We have created the Department of Homeland Security. We have torn down the wall that kept law enforcement and intelligence from sharing information ... we have tightened security at our airports, seaports, and borders ... and we have created new programs to monitor enemy bank records and phone calls. Thanks to the hard work of our law enforcement and intelligence professionals, we have broken up terrorist cells in our midst and saved American lives.

Five years after 9/11, our enemies have not succeeded in launching another attack on our soil _ but they have not been idle. Al-Qaida and those inspired by its hateful ideology have carried out terrorist attacks in more than two dozen nations. And just last month, they were foiled in a plot to blow up passenger planes headed for the United States. They remain determined to attack America and kill our citizens _ and we are determined to stop them. We will continue to give the men and women who protect us every resource and legal authority they need to do their jobs.

In the first days after the 9/11 attacks, I promised to use every element of national power to fight the terrorists wherever we find them. One of the strongest weapons in our arsenal is the power of freedom. The terrorists fear freedom as much as they do our firepower. They are thrown into panic at the sight of an old man pulling the election lever, of girls enrolling in school or families worshipping God in their own traditions. They know that given a choice, people will choose freedom over their extremist ideology. So their answer is to deny people this choice by raging against the forces of freedom and moderation. This struggle has been called a clash of civilizations. In truth, it is a struggle for civilization. We are fighting to maintain the way of life enjoyed by free nations. And we are fighting for the possibility that good and decent people across the Middle East can raise up societies based on freedom, and tolerance, and personal dignity.

We are now in the early hours of this struggle between tyranny and freedom. Amid the violence, some question whether the people of the Middle East want their freedom _ and whether the forces of moderation can prevail. For 60 years, these doubts guided our policies in the Middle East. And then, on a bright September morning, it became clear that the calm we saw in the Middle East was only a mirage. Years of pursuing stability to promote peace had left us with neither. So we changed our policies, and committed America's influence in the world to advancing freedom and democracy as the great alternatives to repression and radicalism.

With our help, the people of the Middle East are now stepping forward to claim their freedom. From Kabul to Baghdad to Beirut, there are brave men and women risking their lives each day for the same freedoms that we enjoy. And they have one question for us: Do we have the confidence to do in the Middle East what our fathers and grandfathers accomplished in Europe and Asia? By standing with democratic leaders and reformers, by giving voice to the hopes of decent men and women, we are offering a path away from radicalism. And we are enlisting the most powerful force for peace and moderation in the Middle East: the desire of millions to be free.

Across the broader Middle East, the extremists are fighting to prevent such a future. Yet America has confronted evil before, and we have defeated it _ sometimes at the cost of thousands of good men in a single battle. When Franklin Roosevelt vowed to defeat two enemies across two oceans, he could not have foreseen D-Day and Iwo Jima _ but he would not have been surprised at the outcome. When Harry Truman promised American support for free peoples resisting Soviet aggression, he could not have foreseen the rise of the Berlin Wall _ but he would not have been surprised to see it brought down. Throughout our history, America has seen liberty challenged _ and every time, we have seen liberty triumph with sacrifice and determination.

At the start of this young century, America looks to the day when the people of the Middle East leave the desert of despotism for the fertile gardens of liberty _ and resume their rightful place in a world of peace and prosperity. We look to the day when the nations of that region recognize that their greatest resource is not the oil in the ground _ but the talent and creativity of their people. We look to the day when moms and dads throughout the Middle East see a future of hope and opportunity for their children. And when that good day comes, the clouds of war will part the appeal of radicalism will decline ... and we will leave our children with a better and safer world. On this solemn anniversary, we rededicate ourselves to this cause. Our nation has endured trials _ and we face a difficult road ahead. Winning this war will require the determined efforts of a unified country. And we must put aside our differences, and work together to meet the test that history has given us. We will defeat our enemies we will protect our people ... and we will lead the 21st century into a shining age of human liberty.

Earlier this year, I traveled to the United States Military Academy. I was there to deliver the commencement address to the first class to arrive at West Point after the attacks of September the 11th. That day I met a proud mom named RoseEllen Dowdell. She was there to watch her son Patrick accept his commission in the finest Army the world has ever known. A few weeks earlier, RoseEllen had watched her other son, James, graduate from the Fire Academy in New York City. On both these days, her thoughts turned to someone who was not there to share the moment: her husband, Kevin Dowdell. Kevin was one of the 343 firefighters who rushed to the burning towers of the World Trade Center on September the 11th _ and never came home. His sons lost their father that day _ but not the passion for service he instilled in them. Here is what RoseEllen says about her boys, "As a mother, I cross my fingers and pray all the time for their safety _ but as worried as I am, I am also proud _ and I know their dad would be too."

Our nation is blessed to have young Americans like these _ and we will need them. Dangerous enemies have declared their intention to destroy our way of life. They are not the first to try _ and their fate will be the same as those who tried before _ 9/11 showed us why. The attacks were meant to bring us to our knees, and they did _ but not in the way the terrorists intended. Americans united in prayer ... came to the aid of neighbors in need ... and resolved that our enemies would not have the last word. The spirit of our people is the source of America's strength. And we go forward with trust in that spirit, confidence in our purpose _ and faith in a loving God who made us to be free.

Thank you, and may God bless you.



"And we have learned that their goal is to build a radical Islamic empire where women are prisoners in their homes, men are beaten for missing prayer meetings, and terrorists have a safe haven to plan and launch attacks on America and other civilized nations."

Bullshit, they're just pissed off at us because we go about like a world police killing their people. They don't desire some awful terrorist state, there are only terrorists because we're causing problems. Terrorism is spawned by fascist governments, war is started by fascist governments, not terrorists.


"...the men and women of our military are making great sacrifices to keep us safe. Some have suffered terrible injuries _ and nearly 3,000 have given their lives."

Oh horrors, we've lost soldiers in a war we started, how many Iraqi civilians did we kill just by randomly bombing Baghdad?


"We have created the Department of Homeland Security. We have torn down the wall that kept law enforcement and intelligence from sharing information ... we have tightened security at our airports, seaports, and borders ... and we have created new programs to monitor enemy bank records and phone calls. Thanks to the hard work of our law enforcement and intelligence professionals, we have broken up terrorist cells in our midst and saved American lives."

I feel so much safer, thank you, thank you for monitoring my phone calls without telling me, thank you for monitoring what library books I check out, thanks for monitoring what I purchase, and most of all, thank you for not letting me have a bottle of water and a Pepsi on a plane.

Our fascist government is just scaring us so we think this stupid war is justified, do you realize that if they wanted to hijack a plane, all they would ahev to do is slip a bomb into the argo hold disguised as a briefcase, and modify a portable game system to be used as a triggering device? That's much easier than hiding fucking nitro glycerin in a water bottle.

The mexicans coming in across the border are very harmful, consider how you can get in from Canada by boat without even going through a checkpoint. Do they seem worried about this? No. The mexicans looking for a better life are their top priority, and by the way how the fuck do you think you're gonna get your fresh fruit if we get rid of the fucking mexicans anyway?

We are no safer today than we were 5 years ago, we are in fact less safe, we have pissed the world off even more, therefore more people want us dead.



"In the first days after the 9/11 attacks, I promised to use every element of national power to fight the terrorists wherever we find them. One of the strongest weapons in our arsenal is the power of freedom. The terrorists fear freedom as much as they do our firepower. They are thrown into panic at the sight of an old man pulling the election lever, of girls enrolling in school or families worshipping God in their own traditions. They know that given a choice, people will choose freedom over their extremist ideology. So their answer is to deny people this choice by raging against the forces of freedom and moderation. This struggle has been called a clash of civilizations. In truth, it is a struggle for civilization. We are fighting to maintain the way of life enjoyed by free nations. And we are fighting for the possibility that good and decent people across the Middle East can raise up societies based on freedom, and tolerance, and personal dignity."

Bullshit, they're sick of us taking away their freedom and policing their nations. The tactic our government has used this entire time is putting fear into us, and they also dehumanize the Islamic people.



"We are now in the early hours of this struggle between tyranny and freedom. Amid the violence, some question whether the people of the Middle East want their freedom _ and whether the forces of moderation can prevail. For 60 years, these doubts guided our policies in the Middle East. And then, on a bright September morning, it became clear that the calm we saw in the Middle East was only a mirage. Years of pursuing stability to promote peace had left us with neither. So we changed our policies, and committed America's influence in the world to advancing freedom and democracy as the great alternatives to repression and radicalism."

Of course none of this has ahd anything to do with money, has it? We just happen to be invading the richest oil reserve left on this planet, and the oil prices just happen to be going up because of this.



"Across the broader Middle East, the extremists are fighting to prevent such a future. Yet America has confronted evil before, and we have defeated it _ sometimes at the cost of thousands of good men in a single battle. When Franklin Roosevelt vowed to defeat two enemies across two oceans, he could not have foreseen D-Day and Iwo Jima _ but he would not have been surprised at the outcome. When Harry Truman promised American support for free peoples resisting Soviet aggression, he could not have foreseen the rise of the Berlin Wall _ but he would not have been surprised to see it brought down. Throughout our history, America has seen liberty challenged _ and every time, we have seen liberty triumph with sacrifice and determination."

Don't you dare compare this bullshit to WW2, Hitler was trying to take over the world, the terrorists are trying to stop our fascist government from destroying their homeland and their people for money.



"At the start of this young century, America looks to the day when the people of the Middle East leave the desert of despotism for the fertile gardens of liberty _ and resume their rightful place in a world of peace and prosperity. We look to the day when the nations of that region recognize that their greatest resource is not the oil in the ground _ but the talent and creativity of their people..."

Oh really? I thought the entire world depended on oil, we need it to grow crops, make computers, drive cars, build houses, we use it for everything.

The removal of Saddam was a hug mistake, he was a buffer between Iran and Syria, now those greatly feared WMD are being transported unchecked through Iraq through to Syria and Lebanon.

In conclusion, Bush is full of shit, this entire speech is a rally for war, please discuss this topic somewhat calmly, I know how you republicans love our fearless leader, but I shall leave you with this quote from Mind of Mencia, when Carlos asked an old woman how she thought the president is doing, "He's doing wonderfully for a retarded person." Good evening, and consider the above well before you flame me.

Makod
September 12th, 2006, 07:08 PM
(insert really harsh flamez about popo's family here)

Seriously though, George Bush fails at life.

Melchi0r
September 12th, 2006, 07:15 PM
If the world was run like Carlos Mencia wanted it to be, it'd actually make sense!

Grotesque
September 12th, 2006, 08:06 PM
(insert really harsh flamez about popo's family here)

Seriously though, George Bush fails at life.

You're an idiot for not even reading and comprehending his address. I am not a fan of bush's actions, but I do have the common integrity and plan to listen to what our leader has to say. You are a fool for makng such quick assumptions on his address. At least make a remarkable comment instead of trashing someone with an IQ higher than yours!

Makod
September 12th, 2006, 08:33 PM
mi srrz iforgtos hwo ott types
instead of trashing someone with an IQ higher than yours!
aer jooz siyin my qi is in teh nageeteves?
You are a fool for makng such quick assumptions on his address.

Hmmm... please show me where I made any remark concerning his 9/11 address.

also:
thank you for not letting me have a bottle of water and a Pepsi on a plane.


You can still get drinks on a plane, but they have to be from the snack cart person that comes around during the flight :\.

Grotesque
September 12th, 2006, 08:41 PM
It was your lack of remark, smart one. You babble with no cause. You feed off your own ignorance.

Makod
September 12th, 2006, 08:56 PM
It was your lack of remark, smart one. You babble with no cause. You feed off your own ignorance.

mi sorries, ddi u usjt falmes mis?

Adn weher is ur remrak on teh sppaech?

Phantom
September 12th, 2006, 09:04 PM
"And we have learned that their goal is to build a radical Islamic empire where women are prisoners in their homes, men are beaten for missing prayer meetings, and terrorists have a safe haven to plan and launch attacks on America and other civilized nations."

Bullshit, they're just pissed off at us because we go about like a world police killing their people. They don't desire some awful terrorist state, there are only terrorists because we're causing problems. Terrorism is spawned by fascist governments, war is started by fascist governments, not terrorists.


"...the men and women of our military are making great sacrifices to keep us safe. Some have suffered terrible injuries _ and nearly 3,000 have given their lives."

Oh horrors, we've lost soldiers in a war we started, how many Iraqi civilians did we kill just by randomly bombing Baghdad?


"We have created the Department of Homeland Security. We have torn down the wall that kept law enforcement and intelligence from sharing information ... we have tightened security at our airports, seaports, and borders ... and we have created new programs to monitor enemy bank records and phone calls. Thanks to the hard work of our law enforcement and intelligence professionals, we have broken up terrorist cells in our midst and saved American lives."

I feel so much safer, thank you, thank you for monitoring my phone calls without telling me, thank you for monitoring what library books I check out, thanks for monitoring what I purchase, and most of all, thank you for not letting me have a bottle of water and a Pepsi on a plane.

Our fascist government is just scaring us so we think this stupid war is justified, do you realize that if they wanted to hijack a plane, all they would ahev to do is slip a bomb into the argo hold disguised as a briefcase, and modify a portable game system to be used as a triggering device? That's much easier than hiding fucking nitro glycerin in a water bottle.

The mexicans coming in across the border are very harmful, consider how you can get in from Canada by boat without even going through a checkpoint. Do they seem worried about this? No. The mexicans looking for a better life are their top priority, and by the way how the fuck do you think you're gonna get your fresh fruit if we get rid of the fucking mexicans anyway?

We are no safer today than we were 5 years ago, we are in fact less safe, we have pissed the world off even more, therefore more people want us dead.



"In the first days after the 9/11 attacks, I promised to use every element of national power to fight the terrorists wherever we find them. One of the strongest weapons in our arsenal is the power of freedom. The terrorists fear freedom as much as they do our firepower. They are thrown into panic at the sight of an old man pulling the election lever, of girls enrolling in school or families worshipping God in their own traditions. They know that given a choice, people will choose freedom over their extremist ideology. So their answer is to deny people this choice by raging against the forces of freedom and moderation. This struggle has been called a clash of civilizations. In truth, it is a struggle for civilization. We are fighting to maintain the way of life enjoyed by free nations. And we are fighting for the possibility that good and decent people across the Middle East can raise up societies based on freedom, and tolerance, and personal dignity."

Bullshit, they're sick of us taking away their freedom and policing their nations. The tactic our government has used this entire time is putting fear into us, and they also dehumanize the Islamic people.



"We are now in the early hours of this struggle between tyranny and freedom. Amid the violence, some question whether the people of the Middle East want their freedom _ and whether the forces of moderation can prevail. For 60 years, these doubts guided our policies in the Middle East. And then, on a bright September morning, it became clear that the calm we saw in the Middle East was only a mirage. Years of pursuing stability to promote peace had left us with neither. So we changed our policies, and committed America's influence in the world to advancing freedom and democracy as the great alternatives to repression and radicalism."

Of course none of this has ahd anything to do with money, has it? We just happen to be invading the richest oil reserve left on this planet, and the oil prices just happen to be going up because of this.



"Across the broader Middle East, the extremists are fighting to prevent such a future. Yet America has confronted evil before, and we have defeated it _ sometimes at the cost of thousands of good men in a single battle. When Franklin Roosevelt vowed to defeat two enemies across two oceans, he could not have foreseen D-Day and Iwo Jima _ but he would not have been surprised at the outcome. When Harry Truman promised American support for free peoples resisting Soviet aggression, he could not have foreseen the rise of the Berlin Wall _ but he would not have been surprised to see it brought down. Throughout our history, America has seen liberty challenged _ and every time, we have seen liberty triumph with sacrifice and determination."

Don't you dare compare this bullshit to WW2, Hitler was trying to take over the world, the terrorists are trying to stop our fascist government from destroying their homeland and their people for money.



"At the start of this young century, America looks to the day when the people of the Middle East leave the desert of despotism for the fertile gardens of liberty _ and resume their rightful place in a world of peace and prosperity. We look to the day when the nations of that region recognize that their greatest resource is not the oil in the ground _ but the talent and creativity of their people..."

Oh really? I thought the entire world depended on oil, we need it to grow crops, make computers, drive cars, build houses, we use it for everything.

The removal of Saddam was a hug mistake, he was a buffer between Iran and Syria, now those greatly feared WMD are being transported unchecked through Iraq through to Syria and Lebanon.

In conclusion, Bush is full of shit, this entire speech is a rally for war, please discuss this topic somewhat calmly, I know how you republicans love our fearless leader, but I shall leave you with this quote from Mind of Mencia, when Carlos asked an old woman how she thought the president is doing, "He's doing wonderfully for a retarded person." Good evening, and consider the above well before you flame me.Ok lets decipher you post "Bullshit, they're just pissed off at us because we go about like a world police killing their people. They don't desire some awful terrorist state, there are only terrorists because we're causing problems. Terrorism is spawned by fascist governments, war is started by fascist governments, not terrorists."

No have you ever read a koran, these extreamists are after nothing less than total conversion of the world to islam or death. We dont go policing their countrys if you mean we monitor them to make sure they dont get NUKES then yes we do. No they they are not created by fasicst goverments they WANT fascist goverments, SHARIA islam law look it up. We did not start killing terrorists intill they flew planes into our buildings which kill 3000 people in an attack that rivaled pearl harbor.

"Oh horrors, we've lost soldiers in a war we started, how many Iraqi civilians did we kill just by randomly bombing Baghdad?"

If you think we are losing this war you are seriously mistaken my friend, our troops have a k:d ration of 40 to 1 We do everything we can to prevent civilian deaths but thats kinda hard when akmed holes himself in a hospital in a city and shoots anyone that leaves, because they dont wish to be bombed, we drop leaflets before we bomb to make sure we dont kill people. The terrorists love when civilians get killed they dont give a shit it helps them because some asswipe journalist comes and takes pictures. This tactic is called hugging o yeah BTW mostly ALL of the civilian deaths are from some terrorist blowing himself up not caring who goes with.

"I feel so much safer, thank you, thank you for monitoring my phone calls without telling me, thank you for monitoring what library books I check out, thanks for monitoring what I purchase, and most of all, thank you for not letting me have a bottle of water and a Pepsi on a plane."

I doubt you would be talking that way if you went to work and a plane came at your building. WE DONT F*CKING TAP JOE SCHMOS PHONE WE TAP PHONE CALLS TO AND FROM KNOW TERRORiSTS

"Our fascist government is just scaring us so we think this stupid war is justified, do you realize that if they wanted to hijack a plane, all they would ahev to do is slip a bomb into the argo hold disguised as a briefcase, and modify a portable game system to be used as a triggering device? That's much easier than hiding fucking nitro glycerin in a water bottle."

Thats why we have METAL DECTECTORS.

"We are no safer today than we were 5 years ago, we are in fact less safe, we have pissed the world off even more, therefore more people want us dead"

Is that so, I dont think so you cant even get a nice try. Under clinton we had 8 MAJOR terrorist attacks in 9 years. Bush 0 terrorist attacks in 5 years, now please learn a thing or 2 before you spew such BS


I wil respond to the rest of your ill thought out post later.











(insert really harsh flamez about popo's family here)

Seriously though, George Bush fails at life. Care to explain why, o yeah thats right you cant back it up you just resort to false statments that have no backing what so ever.

Makod
September 12th, 2006, 09:08 PM
wlle letz ceses, eh flunked clloge he's alhcoloic adn he sused ot be a hceer eader, o adn he sused to eb the vice prehedint of a oli compneh tat wnet bankurpted shrotyl aftre he tgo teh porision


No have you ever read a koran, these extreamists are after nothing less than total conversion of the world to islam or death. We dont go policing their countrys if you mean we monitor them to make sure they dont get NUKES then yes we do. No they they are not created by fasicst goverments they WANT fascist goverments, SHARIA islam law look it up. We did not start killing terrorists intill they flew planes into our buildings which kill 3000 people in an attack that rivaled pearl harbor.


me jhinks oyu nvr raed koran cuz et nevr tlles em to od tht.


"We are no safer today than we were 5 years ago, we are in fact less safe, we have pissed the world off even more, therefore more people want us dead"

Is that so, I dont think so you cant even get a nice try. Under clinton we had 8 MAJOR terrorist attacks in 9 years. Bush 0 terrorist attacks in 5 years, now please learn a thing or 2 before you spew such BS


(normal typing now, gettin bored of typing like that.)
Hmmm... care to name these 8 MAJOR terrorist attacks we had under Clinton?

Phantom
September 12th, 2006, 09:14 PM
wlle letz ceses eh flunked clloge he's alhcoloic adn he sused ot be a hceer eaderWHAT:confused: Just admit the fact that you know absolutly nothing about this, please dont spew absolute BS statments that have 0 backing.

"Bush is stupied"
Well why
"I dont know he just is"

Phantom
September 12th, 2006, 09:15 PM
wlle letz ceses, eh flunked clloge he's alhcoloic adn he sused ot be a hceer eader, o adn he sused to eb the vice prehedint of a oli compneh tat wnet bankurpted shrotyl aftre he tgo teh porision



me jhinks oyu nvr raed koran cuz et nevr tlles em to od tht.O yeah well let me go find some nice verses for you then. A koran is very similar to the bible and we all know the crap the bible says.
EDIT: "Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"The only true faith in God's sight is Islam." (Surah 3:19)
"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

"Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)

Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

To show only a few my politicaly correct friend.

I will find more later

Makod
September 12th, 2006, 09:21 PM
"Bush is smart."
"Why?"
"IDKLOL."

O yeah well let me go find some nice verses for you then. A koran is very similar to the bible and we all know the crap the bible says.

I wish the religion forums were back ; ;

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"The only true faith in God's sight is Islam." (Surah 3:19)
"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

"Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)

Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)



K and these are Sunni or Shi'ite verses?
Just admit the fact that you know absolutly nothing about this, please dont spew absolute BS statments that have 0 backing.

Makod
September 12th, 2006, 09:22 PM
double post delete >.<

Phantom
September 12th, 2006, 09:28 PM
"Bush is smart."
"Why?"
"IDKLOL."



I wish the religion forums were back ; ;lol me too.

]"Bush is smart."
"Why?" Uh maybe because after he started fighting terrorists on their own ground we have had 0 terrorist attacks in 5 years compared to clinton who had the policy of just ignoring terrorist he had 8 MAJOR terrorist attacks in 9 years. This just goes to show you that they arent just pissed at us they HATE us and want to kill us, their little koran tells them too, how does it feel to know there is people out there that would kill you without remorse. Dont make me get out the beheading videos.
"IDKLOL."

Makod
September 12th, 2006, 09:30 PM
lol me too.

Maybe we request new one, yes?
lol me too.

]"Bush is smart."
"Why?" Uh maybe because after he started fighting terrorists on their own ground we have had 0 terrorist attacks in 5 years compared to clinton who had the policy of just ignoring terrorist he had 8 MAJOR terrorist attacks in 9 years. This just goes to show you that they arent just pissed at us they HATE us and want to kill us, their little koran tells them too, how does it feel to know there is people out there that would kill you without remorse. Dont make me get out the beheading videos.
"IDKLOL."
You are making the incorrect assumtion that all Islamics are extremists.

Edit: do you think the innocent people that were killed by the US's terrorist attack on Baghdad wanted to kill us before the whole war started?

IRRELEVANT: Oh and edit your post to get rid of the "IDKLOL" cause it makes no sense where you put it.

Phantom
September 12th, 2006, 09:35 PM
Maybe we request new one, yes?

You are making the incorrect assumtion that all Islamics are extremists.



IRRELEVANT: Oh and edit your post to get rid of the "LOLIDK" cause it makes no sense where you put it.Here we go with the political correct shit, it will be the end of our country. Please form a half decent argument before you post insted of picking apart my wording, thanks.

Makod
September 12th, 2006, 09:39 PM
Ya I Noes Ltes Bobms Teh Whlle Wrold Cuz Maybe Theer's A Chnace Thta Mabye Three Mite Beii Smoe Peple In Cuontries Thta Don't Rike Us!!!! Omgz!!!!!

Oh Nda Rmmber, Cmmoies Sukc

Edit: Wtf it won't let me capitalize every letter :\

Elscire
September 12th, 2006, 09:41 PM
i could really care less if bush got assassinated

Makod
September 12th, 2006, 09:42 PM
i could really care less if bush got assassinated

Or impeached, or exiled, or imprisoned, or sent to Iraq to fight in the war!!!! loloolololol that would be awesome.

Phantom
September 12th, 2006, 09:51 PM
[QUOTE=Makod;99916]

Hmmm... care to name these 8 MAJOR terrorist attacks we had under Clinton?




QUOTE]
Well you since you asked so politly. I shouldnt even have to but I will anyways. Febuary 1993 world trade center bombed.

october 1993 american troops shot in somalia one body was draged through the streets as the hordes cheered.

november 1995 americans killed by car bomb in saudi arabia

June 1996 U.S airforce base in saudi was bombed my muslims.

In November 1997, Iraq refused to allow U.N. weapons inspections to do their jobs and threatened to shoot down a U.S. U-2 spy plane.

Aug. 7, 1998, U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim extremists.

In October 2000, our warship, the USS Cole, was attacked by Muslim extremists.

Oops only seven sorry miscounted.

Now I am going to list the rest of the terrorist attacks before and after clinton.

1979 muslims stormed the U.S embasy in Iran holding the staff hostage for like 300 days.

1982, the U.S. Embassy in Beirut was bombed by Muslim extremists.

In 1985, an Italian cruise ship, the Achille Lauro, was seized and a 69-year-old American was shot and thrown overboard by Muslim extremists

On April 5, 1986, a West Berlin discotheque frequented by U.S. servicemen was bombed by Muslim extremists from the Libyan Embassy in East Berlin, killing an American

December 1988, a passenger jet, Pan Am Flight 103, was bombed over Lockerbie, Scotland, by Muslim extremists

kolte
September 12th, 2006, 09:55 PM
STOP RIGHT NOW. Austin. Kindly remove yourself from this debate. If you cant be nice, then just leave. If you do not comply then I will warn you and strongly recomend that you be banned. Show some respect. I don't care what kind of problems you have, we all have problems, and that is no excuse to be an arrogant, asshole to every single person that has a differing opinion to you.

Leave. just go. now. Or strighten your ass up

And as for you makod, I expect the same from you. Don't either of you even think about protesting in the debate forum. You got a problem, either pm me, deal with it, or babble to an admin.

I'm not going to lock this, I'm going to let it survive if thats at all possible. The next negative remark will have this thread locked, and that user warned. I hope I'm clear.

Thankyou.

Phantom
September 12th, 2006, 10:01 PM
STOP RIGHT NOW. Austin. Kindly remove yourself from this debate. If you cant be nice, then just leave. If you do not comply then I will warn you and strongly recomend that you be banned. Show some respect. I don't care what kind of problems you have, we all have problems, and that is no excuse to be an arrogant, asshole to every single person that has a differing opinion to you.

Leave. No second chances just go. Now.

And as for you makod, I expect the same from you. Don't either of you even think about protesting in the debate forum. You got a problem, either pm me, deal with it, or babble to an admin.

I'm not going to lock this, I'm going to let it survive if thats at all possible. The next negative remark will have this thread locked, and that user warned. I hope I'm clear.

Thankyou.Who is Austin

Makod
September 12th, 2006, 10:02 PM
october 1993 american troops shot in somalia one body was draged through the streets as the hordes cheered.

november 1995 americans killed by car bomb in saudi arabia

June 1996 U.S airforce base in saudi was bombed my muslims.

In November 1997, Iraq refused to allow U.N. weapons inspections to do their jobs and threatened to shoot down a U.S. U-2 spy plane.

Aug. 7, 1998, U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim extremists.

Oops only seven sorry miscounted.

Now I am going to list the rest of the terrorist attacks before and after clinton.

1979 muslims stormed the U.S embasy in Iran holding the staff hostage for like 300 days.

1982, the U.S. Embassy in Beirut was bombed by Muslim extremists.

In 1985, an Italian cruise ship, the Achille Lauro, was seized and a 69-year-old American was shot and thrown overboard by Muslim extremists

On April 5, 1986, a West Berlin discotheque frequented by U.S. servicemen was bombed by Muslim extremists from the Libyan Embassy in East Berlin, killing an American


Ok, all the ones I took out of the quote are major terrorist attacks.

The ones that I left here are NOT major terrorist attacks.

Attacking millitary or political objects or threatning to do is an act of war, not terrorism.

Some of the things you listed are acts of terrorism but are NOTHING compared to 9/11 and I would hardly consider them major.

Edit: @Kolte: Didn't see your post there, but there's nothing offensive in this post so it's not all bad. I'll try to be more polite from now on...

kolte
September 12th, 2006, 10:09 PM
Ok, all the ones I took out of the quote are major terrorist attacks.

The ones that I left here are NOT major terrorist attacks.

Attacking millitary or political objects or threatning to do is an act of war, not terrorism.

Some of the things you listed are acts of terrorism but are NOTHING compared to 9/11 and I would hardly consider them major.

not to mention he forgot the oklahoma city bombing.

Phantom
September 12th, 2006, 10:12 PM
Ok, all the ones I took out of the quote are major terrorist attacks.

The ones that I left here are NOT major terrorist attacks.

Attacking millitary or political objects or threatning to do is an act of war, not terrorism.

Some of the things you listed are acts of terrorism but are NOTHING compared to 9/11 and I would hardly consider them major.thank you for owning yourself. So I guess hijacking a cruise ship and shoting a 69 year old american in the head was just hurting our millitary.

Makod
September 12th, 2006, 10:14 PM
thank you for owning yourself. So I guess hijacking a cruise ship and shoting a 69 year old american in the head was just hurting our millitary.

No I said it was an act of terrorism but it is nothing compared to 9/11, read the entire post next time.
Edit: not to mention he forgot the oklahoma city bombing.

Ok that was the eight attack then. K so 2 major terrorist attacks out of the aforementioned 8 major terrorist attacks are actually major terrorist attacks. lol

Phantom
September 12th, 2006, 10:20 PM
No I said it was an act of terrorism but it is nothing compared to 9/11, read the entire post next time.
Edit:

Ok that was the eight attack then. K so 2 major terrorist attacks out of the aforementioned 8 major terrorist attacks are actually major terrorist attacks. lolNo they are all major inocents died. Yeah and thanks for proving my point by using 9/11. These people want to KILL us they are fanatics we are infidels. All these attacks and yet people like you and popo just say "O well bush is retarded and we just dont understand terrorists because we are ignorant" Or somthing of the like.

Makod
September 12th, 2006, 10:32 PM
No, you don't get it do you? The terrorists, yes there are terrorists (surprise!), are not the majority of muslims. You are stating that all the muslims are terrorists, which is completely and utterly false. Also, you were trying to show that during Clintons years as president there were 8 major terrorist attacks, and that when combined are much worse than what has happened under Bush's rule. I'm saying that the deaths of 9/11 and the retarted war we are in now far outnumber the deaths of your so called "8 major terrorist attacks" and most of those weren't even terrorist attacks.


EDIT:
Who is Austin

Apparently he's the guy named Grotesque, from the looks of it he's not too well liked on here.

Phantom
September 12th, 2006, 10:53 PM
No, you don't get it do you? The terrorists, yes there are terrorists (surprise!), are not the majority of muslims. You are stating that all the muslims are terrorists, which is completely and utterly false. Also, you were trying to show that during Clintons years as president there were 8 major terrorist attacks, and that when combined are much worse than what has happened under Bush's rule. I'm saying that the deaths of 9/11 and the retarted war we are in now far outnumber the deaths of your so called "8 major terrorist attacks" and most of those weren't even terrorist attacks.


EDIT:


Apparently he's the guy named Grotesque, from the looks of it he's not too well liked on here.9/11 was clintons fault bush was barely in office when it happened carry overs from the clinton administration. I am not stating that all muslims are TERRORISTS! WILL YOU PLEASE CUT THE POLITICALY CORRECT BS! Yes they were all terrorist attacks, if I went to your house because I am a islamic terrorist and my holy book told me to hate your kind and convert you or kill you, and just slaughtered you and your family that wouldnt be a terrorist attack? Maybe if I could I would capture you and behead you with a knife on the internet after chanting some of my sick and vile verses and every time you scream I would yell ALAH ACBAR!!! (dont make me show you those videos) exept on a much much bigger scale.

kolte
September 12th, 2006, 10:58 PM
Hey. Calm down. No beheading.

The topic is about bushes 9/11 speech. Nothing else. If you want to talk about something else, make a new thread.

Thanx.

Phantom
September 12th, 2006, 10:59 PM
k I am just trying to show that these people are not inocents defending their homes as alot of idiots like to try to portray (not directed towards anyone)

kolte
September 12th, 2006, 11:02 PM
You the both of you are being rude. If you cant respect one another. Then don't talk to one another. Now modding aside my opinion.

George Bush is not the best man for the job. The majority of americans did NOT vote for him in 2000. And the majority of Americans do NOT want him in office right now. Nuff said.

His speech has truths and farses. Yes there are terrorists. No we should not be killing them all without mercy. They might kill us, but when should rather try and help them. Send messages of peace, not war. Killing them will not stop there movement. It will strengthen it.

Makod
September 12th, 2006, 11:05 PM
(not directed towards anyone)
You don't have to do that we know who you are targetting.
>.>.......

Also I never tried to attack you. so don't come out with the flame throwers goin.


@Kolte, could you stop using black type? lol it's so hard to read. Also I wasn't trying to be rude at all, accept with Grotesque at the begining, cause he came out of nowhere attacking me.

Phantom
September 12th, 2006, 11:07 PM
You the both of you are being rude. If you cant respect one another. Then don't talk to one another. Now modding aside my opinion.

George Bush is not the best man for the job. The majority of americans did NOT vote for him in 2000. And the majority of Americans do NOT want him in office right now. Nuff said.

His speech has truths and farses. Yes there are terrorists. No we should not be killing them all without mercy. They might kill us, but when should rather try and help them. Send messages of peace, not war. Killing them will not stop there movement. It will strengthen it.No offense but you cant reason with them at all. They are fanatics just like there are fanatical christians which we all know cant be dealt with these people are that times 1000.

kolte
September 12th, 2006, 11:10 PM
Gandhi achieved great things without violence. Things nobody thought possible at the time. the united states have lost their ability to negotiate and that’s a great travesty

Makod
September 12th, 2006, 11:19 PM
No offense but you cant reason with them at all. They are fanatics just like there are fanatical christians which we all know cant be dealt with these people are that times 1000.

Yeah but these "fanatical christians" go without punishment.

According to you, we should wipe out the Middle East, because terrorists and fanatics live there. You think this is justified because we will be killing a lot of terrorists in the process. Unfortunately there are millions of innocents who would die in the process (omg! I didn't know civilians died in wars too!... -.-)

So why don't we take out Alabama and other states in the Bible Belt just because "fanatics live there!"?

0=
September 13th, 2006, 02:58 AM
Most terrorists aren't a part of Al Qaeda, if you truly understood them you would nkow they are mostly people who gre up in a abd neighborhood, with bad parents, and a really shitty life, they just hang out with a group of close friends, and they start to go kinda crazy, they don't hate a country's people, they don't hate us, they hate our fascist government that's just making their lives worse. Also, don't say Bush is smarter than Clinton, Clinton has an IQ placing him above genious, Bush has an IQ placing him below average, they're all liars and bastards, but Clinton was a good president, we just made a huge deal about his affair. You need to understand that these peole wouldn't hate us if we didn't do shit to make them hate us, but you think they're all religious extremists shouting "Kill the infidels!"

kolte, I don't care if they stray a bit, but not to the point of arguing about other presidents, I just wanna hear your guys' thoughts about the speech, and feel free to argue all you want about the point I brought up, call me stupid, but you're the stupid one if you have to stoop down to that level because you can't disprove me. All I want is a nice friendly discussion, bring out some facts, and we can make our own decisions on what we wanna believe. :)

Phantom
September 13th, 2006, 06:44 AM
Yeah but these "fanatical christians" go without punishment.

According to you, we should wipe out the Middle East, because terrorists and fanatics live there. You think this is justified because we will be killing a lot of terrorists in the process. Unfortunately there are millions of innocents who would die in the process (omg! I didn't know civilians died in wars too!... -.-)

So why don't we take out Alabama and other states in the Bible Belt just because "fanatics live there!"?Yet again you put words in my mouth I never said, I dont want to wipe out the middle east, I want to wipe out terrorists and muslim extreamists.

Most terrorists aren't a part of Al Qaeda, if you truly understood them you would nkow they are mostly people who gre up in a abd neighborhood, with bad parents, and a really shitty life, they just hang out with a group of close friends, and they start to go kinda crazy, they don't hate a country's people, they don't hate us, they hate our fascist government that's just making their lives worse. Also, don't say Bush is smarter than Clinton, Clinton has an IQ placing him above genious, Bush has an IQ placing him below average, they're all liars and bastards, but Clinton was a good president, we just made a huge deal about his affair. You need to understand that these peole wouldn't hate us if we didn't do shit to make them hate us, but you think they're all religious extremists shouting "Kill the infidels!"

kolte, I don't care if they stray a bit, but not to the point of arguing about other presidents, I just wanna hear your guys' thoughts about the speech, and feel free to argue all you want about the point I brought up, call me stupid, but you're the stupid one if you have to stoop down to that level because you can't disprove me. All I want is a nice friendly discussion, bring out some facts, and we can make our own decisions on what we wanna believe. :)No terrorists are fanatics not just poor civilians that dont like us even though we did nothing to them. Have you ever seen what Iran does after friday prays, they run around chanting death to america death to the infidel basicly all of them do that, its sad because kids are brought up to hate us. They hate us because we are not muslim, we dont have a fascsist goverment, I think you are mistaking us for Iran or any number of other middle east countrys.

Grotesque
September 13th, 2006, 06:58 AM
Makod, you are not funny.
You are inferior. Why? You are easy bait and avoid any hard arguments. All you do is type like you're webbed-fingered. If George Bush could actually own an oil business, he has to have some intellect. Same goes with going to an ivy league school. He made stupid decisions, but so do all people. You are such an idiot for making accusations. You truely fail at life.

Makod
September 13th, 2006, 02:16 PM
Makod, you are not funny.
You are inferior. Why? You are easy bait and avoid any hard arguments. All you do is type like you're webbed-fingered. If George Bush could actually own an oil business, he has to have some intellect. Same goes with going to an ivy league school. He made stupid decisions, but so do all people. You are such an idiot for making accusations. You truely fail at life.

I am an inferior being because I disagree with you?

Yet again you put words in my mouth I never said, I dont want to wipe out the middle east, I want to wipe out terrorists and muslim extreamists.


No terrorists are fanatics not just poor civilians that dont like us even though we did nothing to them. Have you ever seen what Iran does after friday prays, they run around chanting death to america death to the infidel basicly all of them do that
Here is where you said it.

Phantom
September 13th, 2006, 03:13 PM
I am an inferior being because I disagree with you?





Here is where you said it.LOLOLOLOL!!! makod you are not even trying no offense but you seem incredibly stupied, where please point out where in that did I say I wanted to kill everyone in the middle east and destroy the whole area, you FAIL

Hyper
September 13th, 2006, 03:20 PM
Ok I shall simply say these things

If something like this happens ask yourself who had the motive who had the equipment and who gained from it?

Well let me answer, USA has the equipment. USA gained from it no one else realy. And who had the motive? Well if youd read who gains the USA!

Also something random the thing that you can only buy it from the cart thats a business treat to the airline companies


Iraq well.. If 19 ppl make war on the whole world while flying themselves to death what logic does that give to attack Iraq? And doesnt it seem a bit odd to you that the plane that was going to hit the you know what house was stopped while Pentagon was hit in the only sector which was DESIGNED TO WITHSTAND SUCH AN ATTACK and surten evidence suggest that a Boeing didnt even fly in the pentagon. I could speak a bit more of facts but I will simply say this to the summary

Leaders are either 2 things they are manipulated by people who dont want to be known leaders or they are the manipulators who manipulate their ppl, who manipulate the text in a book for example and so on you can manipulate anything if it affects a human being.

Phantom
September 13th, 2006, 03:33 PM
Ok I shall simply say these things

If something like this happens ask yourself who had the motive who had the equipment and who gained from it?

Well let me answer, USA has the equipment. USA gained from it no one else realy. And who had the motive? Well if youd read who gains the USA!

Also something random the thing that you can only buy it from the cart thats a business treat to the airline companies


Iraq well.. If 19 ppl make war on the whole world while flying themselves to death what logic does that give to attack Iraq? And doesnt it seem a bit odd to you that the plane that was going to hit the you know what house was stopped while Pentagon was hit in the only sector which was DESIGNED TO WITHSTAND SUCH AN ATTACK and surten evidence suggest that a Boeing didnt even fly in the pentagon. I could speak a bit more of facts but I will simply say this to the summary

Leaders are either 2 things they are manipulated by people who dont want to be known leaders or they are the manipulators who manipulate their ppl, who manipulate the text in a book for example and so on you can manipulate anything if it affects a human being.You do know that in one of bush's speaks he said that Iraq didnt have anything to do with 9/11 and we went for various reasons read this please http://www.rightwingnews.com/category.php?ent=2987
now please stop with the completly false statments.

0=
September 13th, 2006, 03:54 PM
Wow, that link was so full of shit.

People let's not flame each other, and try to act like somewhat intelligent beings, k? I know you're all passionate in your beliefs, but you can't force someone to belive what you do, because then you're a fascist too. this is supposed to be a friendly discussion where we put out our ideas and some facts and let people decide for themselves, not "you're a dumbfuck because you dont think exactly the same way i do wahhhhhhhhhhhh stupid fuck!!!!!!!! :mad: "

Phantom
September 13th, 2006, 03:57 PM
Wow, that link was so full of shit.

People let's not flame each other, and try to act like somewhat intelligent beings, k? I know you're all passionate in your beliefs, but you can't force someone to belive what you do, because then you're a fascist too. this is supposed to be a friendly discussion where we put out our ideas and some facts and let people decide for themselves, not "you're a dumbfuck because you dont think exactly the same way i do wahhhhhhhhhhhh stupid fuck!!!!!!!! :mad: "What I never called you a dumbfuck, I am trying to be friendly but I get pissed off at some peoples complete stupiedity.

let me be the first to say what an asshole you are *PUBICLLY WARNED* I want you to know, that if you cant be nice, I won't have a choice but to request you be banned. you have one warning left. choose what you say wisley. I'm watching...allways watching. ~ kolte

0=
September 13th, 2006, 04:06 PM
There, see? You guys view disagreement as stupidity and ignorance, but you're the ignorant fool for thinking so. Just try to actually consider what people say, and be nice, ok? We're all friends here, let's act like it.

Phantom
September 13th, 2006, 04:08 PM
There, see? You guys view disagreement as stupidity and ignorance, but you're the ignorant fool for thinking so. Just try to actually consider what people say, and be nice, ok? We're all friends here, let's act like it.Think of it this way, You say dogs can fly, I say they canot, its a FACT not a pov issue. We call you ignorant because you are you dont know the whole story, you let BS videos and biased media warp your opinion on things.

0=
September 13th, 2006, 04:13 PM
Well gee, I'm sorry I don't get all my news from CNN, Fox, and whatever other channels, I watch all the news channels, I watch a lot of indpendent films, I read articles all over the internet, and I'm the ignorant fuck, you do not have the right to call me ignorant until you can come up with bulletproof evidence that I'm wrong.

Phantom
September 13th, 2006, 04:23 PM
Well gee, I'm sorry I don't get all my news from CNN, Fox, and whatever other channels, I watch all the news channels, I watch a lot of indpendent films, I read articles all over the internet, and I'm the ignorant fuck, you do not have the right to call me ignorant until you can come up with bulletproof evidence that I'm wrong.Read all my posts that is more than enough evidence also read whispers in the other thread.

0=
September 13th, 2006, 04:38 PM
I'm sorry, but it's not enough evidence, anyone can tell you that. if you're so sure I'm wrong, you should be able to disprove me in one post, no problem.

Phantom
September 13th, 2006, 04:40 PM
I'm sorry, but it's not enough evidence, anyone can tell you that. if you're so sure I'm wrong, you should be able to disprove me in one post, no problem.Then if I am just an war mongering bush ass kissing facist baby killer you should be able to disprove me in one post.

0=
September 13th, 2006, 04:41 PM
I already have, then you replied by calling me ignorant.

Makod
September 13th, 2006, 04:43 PM
LOLOLOLOL!!! makod you are not even trying no offense but you seem incredibly stupied, where please point out where in that did I say I wanted to kill everyone in the middle east and destroy the whole area, you FAIL

You said it when you said that everyone in Iran wants "Death to America!" "kill the infidels!" By what you've been saying they are terrorists then. And you've said we should kill all the terrorists...

Also, insulting people and calling people who dissagree with youincredibly stupied (by the way you mispelled stupid) will get you nowhere in any discussion.

Phantom
September 13th, 2006, 04:46 PM
You said it when you said that everyone in Iran wants "Death to America!" "kill the infidels!" By what you've been saying they are terrorists then. And you've said we should kill all the terrorists...

Also, insulting people who dissagree with you will get you nowhere in any discussion.You have just proved you cant read I am not even going to bother to respond your fucking retarded posts anymore.

0=
September 13th, 2006, 04:47 PM
He quoted you, you can't read apparantly. All I did was ask you to stop calling people ignorant and discuss the 9/11 address, but you responded with hostility, please just discuss the topic rather than flame people.

Makod
September 13th, 2006, 04:49 PM
Lol jeez <.<

Phantom
September 13th, 2006, 04:53 PM
Makod like the only thing I have seen from you is omg are saying all muslims are terrorist you said terrorist you must be inplieing that all muslims are terrorist. I swear dude that is pissing me off to no end please GET SOME F*CKING FACTS before you attept to debate.

"He quoted you, you can't read apparantly. All I did was ask you to stop calling people ignorant and discuss the 9/11 address, but you responded with hostility, please just discuss the topic rather than flame people."

I already picked apart you little 9/11 address. Your comments are next to retarded, and you clearly demonstrated how much you dont know about this conflict

Makod
September 13th, 2006, 04:56 PM
I never said, I dont want to wipe out the middle east, I want to wipe out terrorists and muslim extreamists.

Have you ever seen what Iran does after friday prays, they run around chanting death to america death to the infidel basicly all of them do that, its sad because kids are brought up to hate us. They hate us because we are not muslim, we dont have a fascsist goverment

Here, read it.

You posted it. The fact that you posted it is true.

Makod like the only thing I have seen from you is omg are saying all muslims are terrorist you said terrorist you must be inplieing that all muslims are terrorist. I swear dude that is pissing me off to no end please GET SOME F*CKING FACTS before you attept to debate.


No, actually, that is exactly what you are saying.

Phantom
September 13th, 2006, 05:06 PM
Here, read it.

You posted it. The fact that you posted it is true.



No, actually, that is exactly what you are saying.No its not NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE EXTREAMISTS! The extreamists are the ones who take every word of the koran as an absolute truth they are the ones that go around cutting off heads and flying planes into buildings.

0=
September 13th, 2006, 05:27 PM
If you had bothered to read any of my posts, you would know that most terrorists aren't religious extremists, and are in fact regular people who just had really fucked up lives and have serious psychological problems.

Phantom
September 13th, 2006, 05:30 PM
If you had bothered to read any of my posts, you would know that most terrorists aren't religious extremists, and are in fact regular people who just had really fucked up lives and have serious psychological problems.Um no a terrorist is a religious extreamist. No even if they are just regular people who just had really fucked up lives and have serious psychological problems they would greet us as liberators for being freed. The population of Iraq was either mostly Sunni or Shiite liveing under the other so they where seriously oppresed.

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September 13th, 2006, 05:35 PM
You don't get it, the majority of terrorists aren't religious extremists, they're people popping out of nowhere with no apparant reason for the act of terrorism. You seem to think they're all in the middle east, but they're not, they're all over the world, mostly people who could've been helped earlier, but are beyond the point of no return, nobody even knows who they were, who their parents were, what race they were.

If you're gonna argue over why terrorists are terrorists, and who they are, where they live, etc, please make a different thread, this is for the discussion of Bush's 9/11 address.

Phantom
September 13th, 2006, 05:37 PM
You don't get it, the majority of terrorists aren't religious extremists, they're people popping out of nowhere with no apparant reason for the act of terrorism. You seem to think they're all in the middle east, but they're not, they're all over the world, mostly people who could've been helped earlier, but are beyond the point of no return, nobody even knows who they were, who their parents were, what race they were.

If you're gonna argue over why terrorists are terrorists, and who they are, where they live, etc, please make a different thread, this is for the discussion of Bush's 9/11 address.The people we are fighting arent simply people defending their homes the regular civilians greet us with smiles not with rpg's.

Hyper
September 13th, 2006, 06:17 PM
Phantom simply because I dont agree with your views well.. You dont have to be agressive

And well if you listen to every word of the machine you turn into a machine that follows the leaders in simply the Government is the herders and the people are sheep. Blinded by anger and fooled by lies and false evidence

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September 13th, 2006, 08:13 PM
Well, in the hope of salvaging this thread, does anyone have any comments on the 9/11 address? See the first page to read it and see my thoughts on it.

Phantom
September 13th, 2006, 08:18 PM
Well, in the hope of salvaging this thread, does anyone have any comments on the 9/11 address? See the first page to read it and see my thoughts on it.I already responded to the first half now I will work on the second half.

kolte
September 13th, 2006, 08:41 PM
remember this is about bushes 9/11 speech. I'm making a new thread called right vs. left, and another called war in Iraq.