The Famine of Africa

[Perseus]

THe famine in Africa is pretty severe, as most of y'all know. Anyway, as I reading the book called Ishmael, it pointed out an amazing point of the famine. By giving the people of Africa food and actually making more food than we need in America, we are just fueling the famine. By this, it means the people barely survive and reproduce and are able to have many children, who make the famine worse, which makes us send more food, which makes it a never ending cycle. The solution was if we stopped helping the Africans, then there would be no more famine because the majority will die to the point where the population can be sustained by the resources of the area, and they wouldn't require any help from other countries.

Now, in theory it would work wonders, but a lot of people will die for the population to be leveled off where people won't die from starvation. It's sort of a moral question. Would it be right for people just to let the Africans who are starving die, so the populations end up being better off?

I'm mixed on this. What are your guys' opinions?

[Camazotz]

How do you choose who lives and who dies? I wouldn't be comfortable with making a decision like that. I'd rather have the African natives reproduce less, not let more of them die.

[Junky]

Very very interesting point, I have never thought of it that way. But it would be political suicide for whomever and whichever party implemented it.

[Iron Man]

The United States doesn`t have to help Africa at all, but we do anyway. It would be cruel, but it makes sense because Africa can`t stay dependent on others forever.

[Perseus]

How do you choose who lives and who dies? I wouldn't be comfortable with making a decision like that. I'd rather have the African natives reproduce less, not let more of them die.

Letting people die for generations and generation trying to help them is just as bad. You are right, though. But I think you misread my post. No one's going to kill the people. It's just let nature take its turn.

[Sage]

But it would be political suicide for whomever and whichever party implemented it.

Which is why it's never going to happen. Not enough people are willing to sacrifice that many lives in Africa to give the continent a better future, few people can see the bigger picture that our aid efforts only dig them into a deeper hole.

[Continuum]

Good point, but it is unethical to let humans starve to death just to end hunger. We're not in some god game where people are expendable and do what you want for nothing. I doubt that this would happen sometime in the future.

[Perseus]

Good point, but it is unethical to let humans starve to death just to end hunger. We're not in some god game where people are expendable and do what you want for nothing. I doubt that this would happen sometime in the future.

But isn't it unethical just to let them starve and help them with a continuous chain of death of no help when there is a way to help them, even though this way is just as harsh?

[Magus]

In order to Destroy the source of this famine, help them grow their own food. They won't stay hungry if they grow their own crops and rear their own cattle and poultry. There are many African countries which are drastically stabilizing. In a few years, famine will be a long gone history.

There are some countries in which the weather is not suitable enough to yield crops you say?

Ans: With the current technology, nothing is impossible. It won't kill us if we share those useful methods.

[Perseus]

In order to Destroy the source of this famine, help them grow their own food. They won't stay hungry if they grow their own crops and rear their own cattle and poultry. There are many African countries which are drastically stabilizing. In a few years, famine will be a long gone history.

There are some countries in which the weather is not suitable enough to yield crops you say?

Ans: With the current technology, nothing is impossible. It won't kill us if we share those useful methods.

I'm going to be honest. I never thought of this. But where there is desert and droughts, I don't think it'd be possible to get them to farm on desert. It would also cost a lot of money to get them modern technology, money which not a lot of people have. It'd cost of lot of money to try and reform the countries. But some countries, that aren't war torn, would be able to flourish with help like you said.

[Magus]

I'm going to be honest. I never thought of this. But where there is desert and droughts, I don't think it'd be possible to get them to farm on desert.

Bad geological analysis. In the Gulf, we have artificial farms, poultry farms and herd rearing farms. Africa at the least have fertile soil in contrast to Gulf's sand grains. The Arabian gulf uses different method to extract water; from ground water to filtrating saline water.


It would also cost a lot of money to get them modern technology, money which not a lot of people have. It'd cost of lot of money to try and reform the countries.
Not really. These technologies were prevalent from over 180 years back. Money, instead of buying them foods, buy them implements. The Arabian Gulf and the common wealth countries, U.S and U.N funds are all giving them money. But the problem is that the money vanishes, but lands do not. Help them refurbish their own country.


But some countries, that aren't war torn, would be able to flourish with help like you said.

True. Politics is a deadly formula that which obstructs the diminishing process of the famine faced by some of the African countries. We will leave them until they are stabilized. We need farmers and not soldiers.

[INFERNO]

If the US stops giving money, it's going to create such a political explosion. Many groups in the USA advocate for more money and some groups also do go to Africa to help. Other countries, such as Canada do the same, and they may get quite upset if the US stops all support. The only situation in which it would create a lesser political mess is if the US stopped in order to divert large amounts of funds elsewhere that in some way, directly or indirectly, also helped Africa. What those may be I'm not sure.

Bad geological analysis. In the Gulf, we have artificial farms, poultry farms and herd rearing farms. Africa at the least have fertile soil in contrast to Gulf's sand grains. The Arabian gulf uses different method to extract water; from ground water to filtrating saline water.


Not really. These technologies were prevalent from over 180 years back. Money, instead of buying them foods, buy them implements. The Arabian Gulf and the common wealth countries, U.S and U.N funds are all giving them money. But the problem is that the money vanishes, but lands do not. Help them refurbish their own country.



True. Politics is a deadly formula that which obstructs the diminishing process of the famine faced by some of the African countries. We will leave them until they are stabilized. We need farmers and not soldiers.

From what I know, certain parts of Africa are war-torn so providing those places with artificial farms and cattle may be unsuccessful because it'll be ruined quickly. For the ones not war-torn, the farms would be helpful and practical. In the war-torn ones, the conflicts need to be first addressed, which seems to be pretty hard to do then help with refurbishing.

[Tiberius]

Let the English and the French deal with it, they created the problem in Africa in the first place.

[Perseus]

Let the English and the French deal with it, they created the problem in Africa in the first place.

So did the Spanish and Dutch. Way to read the OP, dude. Their doing with this whole ordeal are irrelevant.

And Faris(if you don't mind me calling you that), I didn't know that about the Gulf. That's pretty cool.

[Tiberius]

So did the Spanish and Dutch. Way to read the OP, dude. Their doing with this whole ordeal are irrelevant.

And Faris(if you don't mind me calling you that), I didn't know that about the Gulf. That's pretty cool.

You asked for my opinion on how we should deal with this, so I told you.

[Junky]

Africa would be one of the richest economies on earth, if not for the tribal fighting. It would be super great if we just implemented all theses agricultural systems and it worked perfectly. Unfortunately due to the political nature of many areas theses systems would only be utilized by the warlords to fuel their war machine and conquer other provinces.
And someone earlier said fix the political problems, like nobodies ever tried that. :cool:

[Magus]

From what I know, certain parts of Africa are war-torn so providing those places with artificial farms and cattle may be unsuccessful because it'll be ruined quickly. For the ones not war-torn, the farms would be helpful and practical. In the war-torn ones, the conflicts need to be first addressed, which seems to be pretty hard to do then help with refurbishing.

True; as there are three(or so) parties: Government, non-government factions and rebels.

They are only making it harder for us to help them. Not that they(rebels) are suffering, but it afflicts the developmental progresses and the innocent civilians. Heck, they even attack U.N and A.U supply conveys!

So did the Spanish and Dutch. Way to read the OP, dude. Their doing with this whole ordeal are irrelevant.
Somehow, the imperial colonists did also played a significant role in this whole issue. It is them who spread the cow plague in Africa. That was done in order to make it more feasible for the imperialist to raid the lands.

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And Faris(if you don't mind me calling you that), I didn't know that about the Gulf. That's pretty cool.
[off topic]
Not at all, but I prefer to be called by my anonym. I urge every parent to buy a nice, simple written and with beautified imaged Atlas. It will come pretty handy, and especially if you are giving it to a 4th grader. Believe me, you are not old to buy one.

I was confined in the gulf since I was 2. So, I am fairly acquainted with the geological status around here.[/off topic]

[Perseus]

You asked for my opinion on how we should deal with this, so I told you.

No, you gave a slackass opinion that had nothing to do with my post. I wanted your opinion on the post, not some retarded answer on how it's Europe's fault



Somehow, the imperial colonists did also played a significant role in this whole issue. It is them who spread the cow plague in Africa. That was done in order to make it more feasible for the imperialist to raid the lands.

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No, I meant with my post. He's talking about a whole different subject, so I was telling how it doesn't pertain to the discussion.

[Awesome]

We don't have to help them. They are there own country. Know just saying "Let them die" is wrong. If we stopped helping them, if would be for our own needs.