Private Schools

[The Ninja]

The right to free speach doesn't just include what you say it also includes what you wear so isn't it unconstitutional to have a uniform or does it have something to do with your parents signing a release.

[Scarface]

Personally I wouldn't mind wearing a uniform even though I like the attire that I wear. I think it creates more of an equality for the students. I think if most schools had it mandatory I think it would cause some tension for a while, but I think the bullying with the whole clothes or what you wear would die down. I don't think it's unconstitutional. It just makes the institution more formal.

[Whisper]

uniforms are used for many reasons; everything from making an institution appear more respectable, to anti-bullying because one childs parents can afford abercrombie and another family cloth shops at walmart, uniforms are identical it levels the playing field so to speak.

socially spaking they do have benefits
but then you are surrendering a crucial and powerful force of freedom of expression to an institution, which sucks ass
so i defiantly see the benefits
but i would be pretty pissed

[The Ninja]

Personally I wouldn't mind wearing a uniform even though I like the attire that I wear. I think it creates more of an equality for the students. I think if most schools had it mandatory I think it would cause some tension for a while, but I think the bullying with the whole clothes or what you wear would die down. I don't think it's unconstitutional. It just makes the institution more formal.

well the bullying could be solved by having a no bullying policy

[Scarface]

well the bullying could be solved by having a no bullying policy

No bullying policy's don't stop anyone from breaking the rules. Even though they are set has no plausible grounds to stop anyone from making fun of someone for what they wear. I went to a high school with a no bullying policy and yet it still occurred.

[Heretic]

well the bullying could be solved by having a no bullying policy

Unenforceable. Anyway, i went to a private school for many years and it was hell. It had the worst teachers that didn't teach anything i didn't already know, the kids were all self-absorbed morons and the system was flawed in many ways. When i left i found my entire life turned around in a very very positive way. Of course that's just one example compared to many many other private schools. It really just depends. Heh, great conclusion.

[The Ninja]

uniforms are used for many reasons; everything from making an institution appear more respectable, to anti-bullying because one childs parents can afford abercrombie and another family cloth shops at walmart, uniforms are identical it levels the playing field so to speak.

socially spaking they do have benefits
but then you are surrendering a crucial and powerful force of freedom of expression to an institution, which sucks ass
so i defiantly see the benefits
but i would be pretty pissed

The school wants to look more "respectable" so that they can get more students but the students have to learn in uncomfortable clothes. so who's getting the benefit the school or the students.

[Bougainvillea]

Both. The students look more professional, and unified. And the school appears to be properly maintained.

[Scarface]

The school wants to look more "respectable" so that they can get more students

Not exactly, the school has high standards of education with higher ratings than public schools.

but the students have to learn in uncomfortable clothes.

I know quite a few people that go to public school and I have not heard them once say how the clothes are uncomfortable.

so who's getting the benefit the school or the students.

Both. The scholarships and programs are more widely spread. You have a lot more extra curricular activities. Both the student and the institution are benefiting because of the students getting a higher education in a more sophisticated place, but the school because as tuition is payed they are able to open new activities.

[The Ninja]

No bullying policy's don't stop anyone from breaking the rules. Even though they are set has no plausible grounds to stop anyone from making fun of someone for what they wear. I went to a high school with a no bullying policy and yet it still occurred.

my school has an anti-bullying program and it occasionally happens but it's taken care of. most kids are just afraid to rat because they'll be made fun of or get the everliving crap beatin out of them.

[Scarface]

. most kids are just afraid to rat because they'll be made fun of or get the everliving crap beatin out of them.

^This proves my point. Then what is the purpose of having the anti bullying when kids are scared to say anything when it happens. When you can fix the problem at the source.

[The Ninja]

Not exactly, the school has high standards of education with higher ratings than public schools.



I know quite a few people that go to public school and I have not heard them once say how the clothes are uncomfortable.



Both. The scholarships and programs are more widely spread. You have a lot more extra curricular activities. Both the student and the institution are benefiting because of the students getting a higher education in a more sophisticated place, but the school because as tuition is payed they are able to open new activities.

ok you make a good point

[The Ninja]

^This proves my point. Then what is the purpose of having the anti bullying when kids are scared to say anything when it happens. When you can fix the problem at the source.

yeah good point

[quartermaster]

To address your original question, it is not a free speech issue or a constitutional issue because private schools are privately owned and controlled. Unlike a public school, the private school owns the land and controls the school, and thus has the right to demand that anyone who attends their establishment wear a certain uniform. A student has the choice to attend the private institution and if they refuse to follow the rules, the private institution reserves the right to disallow said student from attending their institution.

Essentially, the extent of your freedom of speech and expression is at the discretion of the proprietor of the land, once you enter unto private property. You do not have the right to do whatever you want on someone's property, even if it is completely legal/constitutional; as a property owner, they control "house rules." Just like a homeowner can reserve the right to kick you out of their home if you are being profane or "disagreeable," a private institution can refuse your patronage if you do not wear their uniform.

[The Dark Lord]

well the bullying could be solved by having a no bullying policy

You can't say that a no bullying policy would stop bullying, thats impossible nad ridiculous

[Awesome]

Basiclly is stops people from bullying one another on clothes. Also heard it could help students communicate better.

[Ryhanna]

well the bullying could be solved by having a no bullying policy

Only if the no bullying policy included each student being assigned a big heavy body guard really as they don't work all that well.

At my school, and I think most schools in Australia, you are required to wear a uniform. I was okay with it in Primary school because I went to a public school and I could mix and match the uniform depending on the weather but now I go to a private school which has 2 uniforms specifcally for summer and winter. Sucks on hot days Winter and cold days in Summer - You have to put up with it!

[Jess]

I wouldn't want to wear the same thing every day but it does stop people from making fun of others of their clothes.....

[INFERNO]

well the bullying could be solved by having a no bullying policy

You already showed how it does not work at your school which has an anti-bullying program. So the bullying is still a problem to be dealt with.

The school wants to look more "respectable" so that they can get more students but the students have to learn in uncomfortable clothes. so who's getting the benefit the school or the students.

The school wants to look respectable but students get a benefit because private schools require payment for tuition so generally the school will have good resources and funding. Many classes may (not always) be smaller than for public schools, so there's a higher teacher:student ratio. The clothing is not always uncomfortable. I went to a private high-school for many years and sometimes wearing the full uniform of blazer, tie, and such is uncomfortable on hot days but many schools are lenient on this. Many also are willing to have students wear golf shirts, which mine did also.

However, the clothing has another benefit in that there's no bullying regarding one's clothing style, except on days where people can wear whatever other clothes. For the majority of the school year, everyone is wearing the same clothing so people may discuss what other brands they wear but will not get ridiculed in-person for wearing them that often.

Also heard it could help students communicate better.

Do you have a source or an argument supporting this?