Officer Hits Girl

[Raptor22]

I saw this posted on another site that I frequent and the results were pretty one sided. It got me thinking, what would the results look like from a community as diverse as this one. Personally I believe the officer was right with what he did, the woman decided to resist arrest and deserved what she received.

News Article: http://cbs2.com/national/cop.punches.woman.2.1754351.html

Uncensored Video (Profane): http://www.kirotv.com/video/23904902/index.html

[Antares]

And yo dumbass STILL sittin in the back of police car, even after you talked all that shit.

People annoy me sooo fucking much.
Okay first! The main part of the incident. The punch...not warranted at all.
You don't have to punch some random girl to get her in handcuffs.
There is a difference in using necessary force and excessive force and I think that force was excessive. If you take out that punch, he could have still got her in the handcuffs. Therefore, the use of fists isn't warranted in this situation when what he should have done was wrestled her to the ground or against the car and pinned her there.
So no, that punch wasn't okay. I understand the force he employed when he put her against the car and all that stuff. Once again, the punch wasn't okay.

Then we have those stupid bitches. Ugh, "why are you arresting her???" isnt it obvious!? Shes resisting arrest, insulting the police, and being ignorant. Upholding stereotypes already against black people. They all deserved to be arrested and charged. She was stupid but they didn't need to be punched in order to be arrested. So yea, those stupid idiots, whatever. Ugh. God hey annoy me.

Then there is the response time with the rest of the cops! Wtf! they could have had guns out and people could have been dead. The first cop took 5 mins to get there and I think that the Walsh cop guy called them before the video started.

And then the cameraman and bystandards...annoying. The cameraman got on my nerves and the bystandards just needed to shut up. Ugh.

Sticky situation though.

[Raptor22]

And yo dumbass STILL sittin in the back of police car, even after you talked all that shit.

People annoy me sooo fucking much.
Okay first! The main part of the incident. The punch...not warranted at all.
You don't have to punch some random girl to get her in handcuffs.
There is a difference in using necessary force and excessive force and I think that force was excessive. If you take out that punch, he could have still got her in the handcuffs. Therefore, the use of fists isn't warranted in this situation when what he should have done was wrestled her to the ground or against the car and pinned her there.
So no, that punch wasn't okay. I understand the force he employed when he put her against the car and all that stuff. Once again, the punch wasn't okay.

Then we have those stupid bitches. Ugh, "why are you arresting her???" isnt it obvious!? Shes resisting arrest, insulting the police, and being ignorant. Upholding stereotypes already against black people. They all deserved to be arrested and charged. She was stupid but they didn't need to be punched in order to be arrested. So yea, those stupid idiots, whatever. Ugh. God hey annoy me.

Then there is the response time with the rest of the cops! Wtf! they could have had guns out and people could have been dead. The first cop took 5 mins to get there and I think that the Walsh cop guy called them before the video started.

And then the cameraman and bystandards...annoying. The cameraman got on my nerves and the bystandards just needed to shut up. Ugh.

Sticky situation though.

I agree with everything you said.

Now as far as the punch, was that better or worse than if he would have, lets say, tazed the subject? Would a tazer have been reasonable force to subdue the subject?

The whole video itself is pretty sad.

[Antares]

I would say that it would be a bad idea to use the taser.
Mostly because there were a lot of people there and they would have went bonkers.
Also, the cops life wasn't really in danger...I mean, if he really wanted to, I would hope that he would be able to drop her. He seemed like he was holding back minus the punch where he kinda lost it.

If I were a cop and was getting 'double teamed' like he was for 5 seconds during the video, that would have been a point where I maybe at most would have pulled out the taser and threatened to use it but I would avoid using it.

I think of using a taser being more appropriate for subduing a 300 pound man for instance, where you really can't take the person out, he eventually was able to do that with these "ladies".

[Raptor22]

I would say that it would be a bad idea to use the taser.
Mostly because there were a lot of people there and they would have went bonkers.
Also, the cops life wasn't really in danger...I mean, if he really wanted to, I would hope that he would be able to drop her. He seemed like he was holding back minus the punch where he kinda lost it.

If I were a cop and was getting 'double teamed' like he was for 5 seconds during the video, that would have been a point where I maybe at most would have pulled out the taser and threatened to use it but I would avoid using it.

I think of using a taser being more appropriate for subduing a 300 pound man for instance, where you really can't take the person out, he eventually was able to do that with these "ladies".

Agreed. I would hope that this kind of situation wouldnt occur to begin with, but I guess thats just where our society is going... :(

[Whisper]

the officer was completely justified
hes alone surrounded by basically what could easily become a mob
she resisted arrest

its called equal rights
shes lucky she wasn't tazzed
i would have just fuckin zapped her ass

[HillBillyWilly]

Lol

this is what i have to say.

you resist arrest you get the fist of the law. literally. You're obviously being arrested for something. do you not get it? "Why are you arresting her?!" Seriously? if you cant tell what you're being arrested for or even that you are beng arrested is sad. and didn't they ever teach you NOT to ever try to resist a cop. let alone try to get them off of you.

She tried to push him away and im sure that he was just hancuffing her and it would have gone a lot smoother had she not tried to hit him and have her friends try to free her.

And Seriously? Seriously? Yes, he had every right to hit her in the face, and it was quite funny to.

[Ryhanna]

He probably shouldn't have hit her... Yeah, she had it coming but it wasn't really worth it.
Could she sue him? I would, it's not a police officers job to assult people, it's to stop them being assulted.

[Junky]

I think he should have hit her twice to make sure she stayed down. Really this would not have made the news if it was a man that had been hit, why should it if it was a woman?

[Raptor22]

I believe he was justified because he used the necessary force to restrain the woman.

Whats more fascinating are the results on here. On another forum that I frequent the results to the poll were:

Yes: 42
No: 2

So the fact that its about even here shows just how special this forum is in bringing together people with different opinions and backgrounds. :)

[The Ninja]

he did the right thing because he did it in self defence, and atleast he didn't taze her

[Death]

If the girl didn't want to be punched, she shouldn't have resisted arrest in the first place. Policemen need to uphold the law; they can't just let the general public jerk them around otherwise the whole thing would be a joke. I'm not talking about assaulting the people ot be arrested, but that punch didn't look too serious.

[zebra_]

he shouldn't have hit her. police are supposed to be trained to do this shit without hitting anyone. they weren't even hitting him, it wasnt self deffense at all. police shouldnt even hit a man.

[Perseus]

Use of force continuum. In reality, he could have tased or freaking ASP'd her, y'know. Punching isn't that severe, in reality. But, I haven't watched the video because my computer sucks ass, so I'll go by what has been said in this thread.

[The Batman]

I think the reasons behind the officer approaching them in the first place is pretty stupid (jay walking) and that he punched the wrong girl. He didn't instinctively do it either, if you look at the video he paused like he was thinking about it or looking for the right spot and then he punched her. It wasn't a smart thing to do with two girls fighting you and a group of their friends around as well. I think a taser or pepper spray would have been far more effective with those two since no one would care as much and he could more easily restrain them.

[scuba steve]

actually punching her was a very wrong thing to do and could be seen as a breach of their own power if they themeselves where not in a danger of that magnitude to require such force. I although believe that those two girls had it coming to them resisting arresst is a serious offence that will only make the officers handling of you worse because of it, as his main aim is to detain you. i can honestly say that apart from the punch that any other officer would have handled the situation in a very similar fashion if the "suspects" where unwilling to co operate. there are also two more things that must be taken into consideration here, this officer for a while was all on his own and would have been most likely been rather nervous and even intimidated possibly not honestly meaning to hit her and realising what he had done shortly afer. and the second thing is, U.S law officers don't take shit, doing things their way until you can get lawyers etc involved is always the smartest option.

[Junky]

I've wrestled for a year and a half so I know what I'm talking about when I say its not easy to subdue someone who is not cooperating. And its damn near impossible to subdue 2 people, its not like 24 were you can use a couple judo moves and the bad guys are incapacitated. I would imagine that not every officer has a taser or pepper spray, not to mention a taser is a one shot weapon. So what would he do with the other girl. what would he do with the taser while he was subduing the other girl?

You need to look at it from the police officers point of view. Hes obviously not in a great area ( just look at the crowd,or the junk thats left on the hood of the patrol car). Its obvious to see that the black people don't like the police. Hes quickly surrounded by at least 10 guys, and with his back up getting their five minutes into the video that could turn bad fast. He can't just let them go because then he looks weak. The nearest backup wasn't very close because Honestly he wasn't going to arrest them for Jaywalking, he would have given them a ticket and been on his merry way, but they resisted and made a scene.

[The Batman]

I've wrestled for a year and a half so I know what I'm talking about when I say its not easy to subdue someone who is not cooperating. And its damn near impossible to subdue 2 people, its not like 24 were you can use a couple judo moves and the bad guys are incapacitated. I would imagine that not every officer has a taser or pepper spray, not to mention a taser is a one shot weapon. So what would he do with the other girl. what would he do with the taser while he was subduing the other girl?
The taser wouldn't be less effective then punching he seeing as the other girl jumped in after he punched the one girl. Still it would atleast incapacitate one of them while he arrests the other. Also still pepper spray(which is probably what most cops have) would be effective in stopping both of them.
You need to look at it from the police officers point of view. Hes obviously not in a great area ( just look at the crowd,or the junk thats left on the hood of the patrol car). Its obvious to see that the black people don't like the police. Hes quickly surrounded by at least 10 guys, and with his back up getting their five minutes into the video that could turn bad fast. He can't just let them go because then he looks weak. The nearest backup wasn't very close because Honestly he wasn't going to arrest them for Jaywalking, he would have given them a ticket and been on his merry way, but they resisted and made a scene.
Most of the people around him were telling the girls to stop resisting and to let him arrest them. The guy in blue at the beginning was even trying to restrain one of the women until she broke free and then pushed the cop. And if it was a hostile area fighting the girls would do nothing but make them more hostile and therefore start a riot or fight.

[Perseus]

The taser wouldn't be less effective then punching he seeing as the other girl jumped in after he punched the one girl. Still it would atleast incapacitate one of them while he arrests the other. Also still pepper spray(which is probably what most cops have) would be effective in stopping both of them.



Pepper spray goes everywhere and will get on everyone. Pepper spray wouldn't be the best idea, in all honesty.

[Junky]

The taser wouldn't be less effective then punching he seeing as the other girl jumped in after he punched the one girl. Still it would atleast incapacitate one of them while he arrests the other. Also still pepper spray(which is probably what most cops have) would be effective in stopping both of them.

Most of the people around him were telling the girls to stop resisting and to let him arrest them. The guy in blue at the beginning was even trying to restrain one of the women until she broke free and then pushed the cop. And if it was a hostile area fighting the girls would do nothing but make them more hostile and therefore start a riot or fight.
What if he missed with the peppers spray. What if he missed with a taser( which he may or may not have had). It only takes one drunk or high guy with an attitude to knock out a cop. He wasn't even gonna arrest them, until they started resisting and giving him crap for the ticket.

[The Batman]

What if he missed with the peppers spray. What if he missed with a taser( which he may or may not have had). It only takes one drunk or high guy with an attitude to knock out a cop. He wasn't even gonna arrest them, until they started resisting and giving him crap for the ticket.

Going by exactly where they were standing it would be pretty hard for him to miss and if he did there was no one behind the girls from his point of view that would have gotten hit. I'm not saying what he did was wrong I'm just saying it wasn't the best way since he was still having trouble restraining the other girl even after punching the first. Ticketing people for jaywalking though is just a waste of time. People are going to do it regardless of what the law says. Yea it's dangerous and stupid to do it on a busy street but a ticket isn't going to stop them at all.

[Junky]

Personally I agree with you I jay walk all the time haha.:yes:

[dead]

He shouldn't have punched her, but I think the taser should have been used.

[Perseus]

He shouldn't have punched her, but I think the taser should have been used.

Umm... tasers are a lot more painful than being punched.

[dead]

Umm... tasers are a lot more painful than being punched.

Yes, but the situation would be handled alot more quickly.

[Raptor22]

I still dont see any logic in any of those activities in the video. If the women were jaywalking, than the cop would most likely warn them, perhaps give them a $20 ticket and be done with it.

But instead of behaving like adults, the people in the video:


Mouthed off to an officer
Became Irrational, Out of Control, and Violent, (adults throwing temper tantrums)
Made racist statements
Ganged up on an officer
Used violence against a policeman
The bystanders crowded around and incited the violence
The bystanders infringed on the officers space and interfered with his ability to think clearly let alone do his job
The bystanders shouted demeaning remarks at a policeman


I am flabbergasted by the lack of morals and respect that the people in this video have for not only authority but their fellow man. Instead of giving the cop room to do his job and going on their merry way, the bystanders stand and gawk at a simple jaywalking incident. If the women had acted like adults, nothing at all interesting would have happened, and everyone would have left content. Where were all of those people's parents when they needed to be taught respect for people, and respect for authority. I have seen more maturity out of a two year old, than I did out of those women in that video.

The fact that our society continues to slide in that direction is saddening...

[Perseus]

Yes, but the situation would be handled alot more quickly.

Not really. People would be flipping out and other things.

[Junky]

Not really. People would be flipping out and other things.
Just look at the don't tase me video, or any video of someone getting tased. It makes instant headlines if its caught on tape and the police are always getting bad publicity for excessive use of force.

Of subject but did anyone read the story of the police tasing a bed ridden granny?

[Awesome]

This all happened because of jaywalking. Laws are to strict. If you want to Jaywalk, go ahead, if you get hit, then its your fault. Same with seatbelts.

[dead]

Not really. People would be flipping out and other things.

I meant the situation of getting the girl under control

[Patchy]

The officer was enforcing a law. Yes it was overkill but that was due to the girl being insanely aggressive.

He took a damn long time to secure her however I would of threatened to taser her if she didn't comply however probably wouldn't of done so. Would probably end up hitting her to get her to stop causing a scene.

[Raptor22]

This all happened because of jaywalking. Laws are to strict. If you want to Jaywalk, go ahead, if you get hit, then its your fault. Same with seatbelts.

I completely disagree. While I dont care at all about protecting stupid people, I do care alot about the costs to taxpayers to hire people who have to go out and scrape dipshits up off of the roadway or the inside of your car...

[Junky]

I completely disagree. While I dont care at all about protecting stupid people, I do care alot about the costs to taxpayers to hire people who have to go out and scrape dipshits up off of the roadway or the inside of your car...
Actually it could be a great thing. It would be like legally cleaning the gene pool, the dumb die will the smart live. :lol:

[Raptor22]

Actually it could be a great thing. It would be like legally cleaning the gene pool, the dumb die will the smart live. :lol:

I agree with that part of it, however I do not want my tax money going to scrape dipshits off of asphalt... :P

[jake_97]

i was raised that hitting woman is wrong

[Death]

Actually it could be a great thing. It would be like legally cleaning the gene pool, the dumb die will the smart live. :lol:

LOL, +Rep for humour! ;)

Seriously though, what else could the police officer have done when everyone is working against him? If they didn't show their authority, especially in a situation like that, the police woudl be viewed as pussies and no-one would give two shits about them. It would be chaos.

[Raptor22]

i was raised that hitting woman is wrong

I agree, however when they are violent against another person, and especially against a person of authority like a policeman, they are fair game.

[Sith Lord 13]

i was raised that hitting woman is wrong

Ah sexism. What does gender truly have to do with it? I know women I would never hit, but that's because they could kick my ass. Gender has no real role in this at all.

[Ryhanna]

Cops are meant to enforce the law... How is assulting someone doing that?

Yeah, the woman was being a bitch - But hitting her makes him just as bad.

[Raptor22]

Ah sexism. What does gender truly have to do with it? I know women I would never hit, but that's because they could kick my ass. Gender has no real role in this at all.

I learned it was because women are supposed to be more sophisticated than men and more intelligent than men and shouldnt be brought into lowly dumb things like fighting.

That is until the woman puts herself there and then its fair game.

Cops are meant to enforce the law... How is assulting someone doing that?

Yeah, the woman was being a bitch - But hitting her makes him just as bad.

She was resisting arrest, how else was he supposed to send a message and control her? He could have tazed her, that would have been worse...

[zebra_]

The officer was enforcing a law. Yes it was overkill but that was due to the girl being insanely aggressive.

He took a damn long time to secure her however I would of threatened to taser her if she didn't comply however probably wouldn't of done so. Would probably end up hitting her to get her to stop causing a scene.

she wasnt being insanely agressive.

so ur way of stopping a scene is to make an even bigger scene? police should know, and are probably trained to handle a woman without hitting her.

[dead]

she wasnt being insanely agressive.

so ur way of stopping a scene is to make an even bigger scene? police should know, and are probably trained to handle a woman without hitting her.

So handle her differently than a man?

[Junky]

she wasnt being insanely agressive.

so ur way of stopping a scene is to make an even bigger scene? police should know, and are probably trained to handle a woman without hitting her.
That would be sexist, and in our politically correct society would be unacceptable. Have you seen the video, she was being pretty damn aggressive, what would you suggest he do?

[Death]

she wasnt being insanely agressive.

so ur way of stopping a scene is to make an even bigger scene? police should know, and are probably trained to handle a woman without hitting her.

You obviously think woman are superior in some way because they should not be hit when they warrent it but men should. But why do you believe this? What else could the policeman have done to enforce the law whilst being attacked? The police cannot afford to be viewed as pussies, becasue if they did, the citizens will get the message that they can do what they damn well please. And then where would we be?

[zebra_]

You obviously think woman are superior in some way because they should not be hit when they warrent it but men should. But why do you believe this? What else could the policeman have done to enforce the law whilst being attacked? The police cannot afford to be viewed as pussies, becasue if they did, the citizens will get the message that they can do what they damn well please. And then where would we be?

i didnt say men should. im pretty sure police are trained to take someone down without hitting them. if that fails, pull out the pepper spray.

That would be sexist, and in our politically correct society would be unacceptable. Have you seen the video, she was being pretty damn aggressive, what would you suggest he do?

the only thing i saw slightly agressive in the video was squirming and pushing. thats not agressive. he should take her down and put cuffs on her. or pepperspray her and cuff her

So handle her differently than a man?

even men should be handled without hitting.

[Perseus]

i didnt say men should. im pretty sure police are trained to take someone down without hitting them. if that fails, pull out the pepper spray.



the only thing i saw slightly agressive in the video was squirming and pushing. thats not agressive. he should take her down and put cuffs on her. or pepperspray her and cuff her



even men should be handled without hitting.

Pepper Spray is the worst thing to use on someone. It gets on everyone and stays on you forever.

[dead]

i didnt say men should. im pretty sure police are trained to take someone down without hitting them. if that fails, pull out the pepper spray.



the only thing i saw slightly agressive in the video was squirming and pushing. thats not agressive. he should take her down and put cuffs on her. or pepperspray her and cuff her



even men should be handled without hitting.
Pepper spray is so much worse than hitting.

[zebra_]

Pepper spray is so much worse than hitting.

and hitting her is so much worse than taking her down.

Pepper Spray is the worst thing to use on someone. It gets on everyone and stays on you forever.

what do u mean by "It gets on everyone and stays on you forever"?

[dead]

and hitting her is so much worse than taking her down.



what do u mean by "It gets on everyone and stays on you forever"?

I assume he meant everywhere which it does.

[SneakBrain]

are you fucking with me that not hit that is insult. He cant hit her she is a minor he had alot of options but he punch her in the face wtf that unacceptable and so disrespectful. the police men obviously looks unqualified for his job the girls look so weak anybody can control them easily without boxing with them

[Heretic]

Completely justified. Dumb broad should have shut up.

[CaliKid24]

he had the right to use force but that was ridiculous.

[Junky]

Are you kidding me, I've wrestled for a year and a half and let me tell you there is no little judo move you can do or quick way to take someone down. Taking someone down is never clean, even on a girl.

[Death]

I blame the panzies in power who rant on about not hitting people who deseve it. It's people like that who I find responsible fore the lack of respect for the police (as shown), as well as children behaving badly. It's redicilous.

[Raptor22]

Are you kidding me, I've wrestled for a year and a half and let me tell you there is no little judo move you can do or quick way to take someone down. Taking someone down is never clean, even on a girl.

Agreed. I have three years of varsity wrestling, its not easy when the person doesnt wanna go...

It was in her court, if she didnt want to have any undesirable consequences, then she should have cooperated...

[Raptor22]

UPDATE: The officer was exonerated of any wrong doing today by the city of Seattle:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/theblotter/2013619107_spd_officer_wont_face_discipli.html?prmid=obinsource

The girl who he punched has a year of probation and 80 hours of community service, which she deserves.

[Errr]

This is going to offened some people, but its my opinion. There are some trashy white people, then there is good white people. There are some good African Americas, then there is niggers like gangsters and such. These are those people. He had the right because how the two girls were acting, the others could have easily taken the officer down. he did what he had to do. (this was not ment to be racist in anyway. Im sorry if it is taken that way. But it honestly is not.)

[Death]

UPDATE: The officer was exonerated of any wrong doing today by the city of Seattle:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/theblotter/2013619107_spd_officer_wont_face_discipli.html?prmid=obinsource

The girl who he punched has a year of probation and 80 hours of community service, which she deserves.

Good to hear. If police officers weren't allowed to do the job no matter what scum tries to stop them, the criminals would have the upper hand.

[Raptor22]

This is going to offened some people, but its my opinion. There are some trashy white people, then there is good white people. There are some good African Americas, then there is niggers like gangsters and such. These are those people. He had the right because how the two girls were acting, the others could have easily taken the officer down. he did what he had to do. (this was not ment to be racist in anyway. Im sorry if it is taken that way. But it honestly is not.)

I happen to agree with you.

Good to hear. If police officers weren't allowed to do the job no matter what scum tries to stop them, the criminals would have the upper hand.

Good point. I dont see how he did anything wrong, those girls chose to cross a line that should never be crossed, never physically engage a police officer.