What are your thoughts on paedophilia?

[Jamie]

Paedophilia - The physical attraction to pre-pubescent boys or girls.

A paedophile is not interchangeable for a child molester.


Why or why not do you find paedophilia acceptable.

[Eric.]

Child molester = pedophile
pedophile doest = child molester

that's easy enough

[Jamie]

Erm, no.

[Sapphire]

LOL!
What a pointless thread...

[Jamie]

How so?

[Zero Beat]

Ummmm... VERY VERY BAD!

[Jamie]

Why?

[Zero Beat]

You ask our opion, then you question it.

Because i see it as a bad thing. Its what leads to child abuse, rape... I feel bad if the person can't change it. But its still wrong.

[Jamie]

I'm curious as to how paedophilia and child abuse are in-twined. Wouldn't someone with anger issues be more prone to abuse a child than a paedophile, or were you talking sexual abuse? In which case, wouldn't someone deprived of sex be just as likely to sexually abuse a child?

[Magus]

Paedophila is a subtle sexual(physical) attraction to people of a younger age group. Commonly prepubescent. They may or may not have sex with children. It is a psychosocial disorder. It can come to the late teenage years up until old age.

As the OP pointed it out. Pedophiles are categorized in those "philes" i.e Love of. It follows with Hebephilia, those in the age groupe of 11-14, and Ephebophilia for those who are 15-19 disregarding Sex.

Child Molesting, it is usually abusing children. Hurting, beating and all that thing and summed up with sex(or rape) is what we call as child molesting or abusing.

[ShatteredWings]

Dude.. wrong site to p ost this thread.

[Jamie]

Paedophilia and molestation are two different things, as has been pointed out more than enough times in this thread. I feel not.

[Sage]

I consider sexual abuse of children to be an awful thing, of course, but at times I can't help but feel there's something of a modern witch hunt out and about for pedophiles as they're somehow painted as the worst scum to ever walk the earth. They're not.

[MyNameIsJack]

no, just no xD

[karl]

Paedophile - a person who is sexually attracted to children.
Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary

Can't be a good thing.

[Triceratops]

I love it.

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[Origami]

I consider sexual abuse of children to be an awful thing, of course, but at times I can't help but feel there's something of a modern witch hunt out and about for pedophiles as they're somehow painted as the worst scum to ever walk the earth. They're not.
Quoted for truth.


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Paedophilia, as defined as a sexual attraction of an adult to a child, is disdainful in my opinion. An attraction to someone not of legal age, I have otherwise no opinions on; however, a concupiscence feeling harbored within an adult for someone who is otherwise considered a child I disagree with entirely. I find it morally wrong to be attracted to children. Why I find it morally wrong is left to debate. Moreorless it could be because of how I was raised, or it could be something I merely developed.

[CaptainObvious]

Jamie's probably going in this direction: how can we condemn people for who they're attracted to? Presumably they have as little control over it as we do over which gender we are attracted to.

Acting on those attractions, however, is essentially monstrous.

[Sage]

I love it.

That's quotable!

[Whisper]

Jamie's probably going in this direction: how can we condemn people for who they're attracted to? Presumably they have as little control over it as we do over which gender we are attracted to.

Acting on those attractions, however, is essentially monstrous.


If that argument is sound then by its own admiration it acknowledge's that the impulse is outside the subjects control.
their attractions lead to the increased chance of perpetrating an unthinkable act that can and usually does leave lasting scars on the child victim.

Society in general holistically does not tolerate an attack (of this nature especially) on a child
you see this even in the prison system where registered sex offenders are usually put in administrated segregation for their own protection.

its disgusting and wrong for a GROWN ADULT to be attracted sexually to a CHILD
CP is gross

[Justwondering]

I love it.

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Lol.. Epic.

[Ryhanna]

My thoughts are summed up by a facebook page...

It's called: "Why test on animals when we have paedophiles in prison?"

[Sage]

My thoughts are summed up by a facebook page...

It's called: "Why test on animals when we have paedophiles in prison?"

Now do you people see what I mean by 'modern witch hunt'?

[Ryhanna]

Now do you people see what I mean by 'modern witch hunt'?

LOL
How nice of you...

While there is some truth in that, I have to disagree. Sexual abuse towards children can cause emotional and psychological trauma. In fact, sexual abuse towards anyone can do that. It's not just pedo's - People are aginst murderers, rapists, terrorists - If all these things aren't hate worthy then I don't know what to think.

[Whisper]

Now do you people see what I mean by 'modern witch hunt'?

well
maybe the pilgrims weren't as backwards as we like to think.

[Zero Beat]

I love it.

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LOL. >.< :eek:

[Sage]

While there is some truth in that, I have to disagree. Sexual abuse towards children can cause emotional and psychological trauma. In fact, sexual abuse towards anyone can do that. It's not just pedo's - People are aginst murderers, rapists, terrorists - If all these things aren't hate worthy then I don't know what to think.

Emotional crimes don't call for emotional justice.

[Jamie]

Sexual abuse towards children can cause emotional and psychological trauma.
Paedophiles don't cause psychological harm to anyone ;) Other than of course the ones who molest, or those too stupid to accept that some people find children attractive.

[MyNameIsJack]

asdfadf

[Perseus]

My thoughts are summed up by a facebook page...

It's called: "Why test on animals when we have paedophiles in prison?"

Geeze, pedophiles are people too, y'know. They can't help that they're attracted to children. What they can help is whether or not they act on that attraction.

[Giles]

Geeze, pedophiles are people too, y'know. They can't help that they're attracted to children. What they can help is whether or not they act on that attraction.

QFT

That's the best (and most accurate) way of describing a paedophile I've ever seen.

[Antares]

Child molesters molest children because they have a "physical attraction to pre-pubescent boys or girls".
How is that not pedophilia???

And why is it not acceptable to fuck kids?
I don't know...because they're children?!



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TWPR :arrow: ROTW

[Jamie]

Err, no. About half of child molestations aren't done out of sexual attraction to the child. It's usually in the heat of the moment, and is just a sexual act to receive pleasure from, it just happens to be a child.

[Sith Lord 13]

Err, no. About half of child molestations aren't done out of sexual attraction to the child. It's usually in the heat of the moment, and is just a sexual act to receive pleasure from, it just happens to be a child.

Source?

[Ryhanna]

Paedophiles don't cause psychological harm to anyone ;) Other than of course the ones who molest, or those too stupid to accept that some people find children attractive.

I meant child molesters, actually, so you can shove the insult thanks mate.

Okay, say there were paedophiles/child molesters registered on this site, reading and targeting the P101 forums, how would you feel?

I think that if someone is attracted to children, well good on them - yippy for them - But when you actually do something to a child... you've overstepped the mark.

[CaptainObvious]

I meant child molesters, actually, so you can shove the insult thanks mate.

Yeah, but he didn't. The thread is about pedophiles, not child molesters. Though the groups overlap significantly, the two are not the same thing.

Okay, say there were paedophiles/child molesters registered on this site, reading and targeting the P101 forums, how would you feel?

Well there are definitely pedophiles and child molesters who read P101. No way every single one of the ton of guests always in there is a teen, and for what other reason would any adult read P101? That said, I don't really care; their being aroused by something inappropriate to act upon in no way effects me or any of you.

I think that if someone is attracted to children, well good on them - yippy for them - But when you actually do something to a child... you've overstepped the mark.

Precisely. But that's why you can't conflate molesters and pedophiles as if they are the same.

[MadManWithaBox]

Pedophiles make me sick. In my own opinion, one of the worst crimes people can, and have , commit/committed. Harsher punishments for pedophiles are needed In my opinion.

[Perseus]

Pedophiles make me sick. In my own opinion, one of the worst crimes people can, and have , commit/committed. Harsher punishments for pedophiles are needed In my opinion.

Though the groups overlap significantly, the two are not the same thing.

They can't help it. They can't be like, "oh, today I shall like little boys, but tomorrow, I shan't." It's like hatin' a gay person for being gay. What David said is true.

[INFERNO]

My thoughts are summed up by a facebook page...

It's called: "Why test on animals when we have paedophiles in prison?"

I guess I missed that law stating we can treat humans poorly, almost as though they aren't a person just because they did something illegal and amoral.

Paedophiles don't cause psychological harm to anyone ;) Other than of course the ones who molest, or those too stupid to accept that some people find children attractive.

Oh but they do if they act on it. There's not one general bunch of pedophiles, there are typologies for male and females, and some do cause more harm. According to you, sadistic pedophiles and cyber-pedophiles cause the same amount of psychological harm to the child and/or victims. Would you consider a sadistic pedophile who does whatever torture-like acts onto the living child, possibly letting the child live do the same harm as a cyber-pedophile who never once does any sexual acts to a child?

Child molesters molest children because they have a "physical attraction to pre-pubescent boys or girls".
How is that not pedophilia???

In the DSM-IV-TR, pedophilia does not require doing a single sexual act to a child. In previous versions it did but not anymore. So that answers part of your question. The other part has to do with the reasons for the pedophiles doing what they did, as explained by the typologies. Some do it for the same reasons many rapists do: for power, for feeling reassured of themselves, not for sex. In this typology, the child is merely a tool for gaining that power and may then be discarded like a broken hammer.


Okay, say there were paedophiles/child molesters registered on this site, reading and targeting the P101 forums, how would you feel?

Roughly 50% of Canada and the US (may be a bit higher for the US) have a mental disorder. We walk among those with them and may indeed walk among those who are pedophiles in reality. If they are registered on this site, then that's great for them, it does not affect me in any way.


I think that if someone is attracted to children, well good on them - yippy for them - But when you actually do something to a child... you've overstepped the mark.

But here is a problem: you don't need to act on a single sexual impulse involving children to be considered a pedophile. So by your argument, those who don't are fine and haven't done anything wrong whereas those who have done something have done wrong. You view the same group as right and wrong.

[Severus Snape]

If they consent, I don't care

[Jamie]

Source?http://www.attractedtochildren.org/2007/quotes-on-the-occurence-of-paedophilia-in-csos

[Sith Lord 13]

http://www.attractedtochildren.org/2007/quotes-on-the-occurence-of-paedophilia-in-csos

Any balanced sites that support those statistics?

[Jamie]

Any balanced sites that support those statistics?

Well, the Parliamentary Joint Committee on the National Crime Authority cited this statistic:

“Indeed, Howells (1981) maintains that “There is good reason to think that such persons [pedophiles] form a minority in the total population of people who become sexually involved with children"

[Sith Lord 13]

Sounds intriguing. Link please.

[Jamie]

http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/acc_ctte/completed_inquiries/pre1996/ncapedo/report/c02.htm

[INFERNO]

If they consent, I don't care

Would a young child have the mental capacity to consent or even understand what the pedophile wants? I'm not talking about children who are around 12 years old but much, much younger ones.

[MadManWithaBox]

They can't help the attraction maybe. They can help the acting upon of it. Being gay and being a pedophile are entirely different/

[Sith Lord 13]

They can't help the attraction maybe. They can help the acting upon of it.

Concise and to the point.

[Perseus]

They can't help the attraction maybe. They can help the acting upon of it. Being gay and being a pedophile are entirely different/

Not really. You don't choose either. On both, you're attracted to something else than what is expected. And you basically just re-said what I said earlier, way to go.

[georgiamay]

being attracted to younger people/children seems horrible to me, but then again, it might not to someone who actually has these feelings. in my opinion, we shouldn't ostracise someone for this, however if they act upon these feelings by molesting a child, that's when it becomes a truly horrible thing. these people can't control the way they feel, but they can control how they act. but this is just my opinion.

[INFERNO]

I'm not sure how many have looked up the exact criteria of pedophilia in the DSM-IV-TR but regardless if you have, it basically states you need to be minimum of 16 years old and have an attraction to someone 4-5 years younger (sexual). My question to everyone is this: the DSM-IV-TR continues to state that simply the desires without acting upon them is good enough for someone to be deemed a pedophile. Do you agree or disagree with this statement? Some of the rationale for it has to do with cyber crimes where the offender never actually physically interacts with the child.

[Perseus]

I'm not sure how many have looked up the exact criteria of pedophilia in the DSM-IV-TR but regardless if you have, it basically states you need to be minimum of 16 years old and have an attraction to someone 4-5 years younger (sexual). My question to everyone is this: the DSM-IV-TR continues to state that simply the desires without acting upon them is good enough for someone to be deemed a pedophile. Do you agree or disagree with this statement? Some of the rationale for it has to do with cyber crimes where the offender never actually physically interacts with the child.

You still like the child, so yes, I do believe that is criteria enough to be deemed a pedophile.

[Sith Lord 13]

Yes, because you still love (philia) children (pedo)

[Ryhanna]

But here is a problem: you don't need to act on a single sexual impulse involving children to be considered a pedophile. So by your argument, those who don't are fine and haven't done anything wrong whereas those who have done something have done wrong. You view the same group as right and wrong.

I know you don't have to act on it... I never said you didn't.

I only said that acting on the attraction is overstepping the mark. Yes, people with attractions to children are paedophile's, but as long as they don't touch a child I think that's okay. Once you touch or hurt a child, I think it's gone too far.

[Rawr_its_Jake]

My thought on Paedophilia, is to load and shoot, load and shoot, load and shoot.

[Sage]

My thought on Paedophilia, is to load and shoot, load and shoot, load and shoot.

So you're in favor of the concept of thought-crime.

[Jamie]

My thought on Paedophilia, is to load and shoot, load and shoot, load and shoot.
Perhaps condemning those who condemn would be a better solution?

[INFERNO]

My thought on Paedophilia, is to load and shoot, load and shoot, load and shoot.

I see you're in favour of a genocide for one's thoughts and actions since many pedophiles do cyber crime for it, they would be killed only because of their thoughts. Genocide for one's thoughts. Although this thread is about pedophilia only, given your trigger-happy genocide view, who else should join in being killed?

[Antares]

Err, no. About half of child molestations aren't done out of sexual attraction to the child. It's usually in the heat of the moment, and is just a sexual act to receive pleasure from, it just happens to be a child.

I am not so sure of that.
I think prostitution or rape is much more...prevalant.
I think people just want to fuck kids because they are in some way attracted.
Especially since its kinda hard to stick a penis in something that small.
I don't see how that provides much pleasure.

[dead]

I am not so sure of that.
I think prostitution or rape is much more...prevalant.
I think people just want to fuck kids because they are in some way attracted.
Especially since its kinda hard to stick a penis in something that small.
I don't see how that provides much pleasure.

With people who rape for power its not about getting pleasure from having sex

[justalovestruckteen]

I say if the kid wants it, than let it be

I see no wrong in it as long as they both agree

but maybe its becouse Im intersted in pedophlies...

[Sage]

I say if the kid wants it, than let it be

I see no wrong in it as long as they both agree

but maybe its becouse Im intersted in pedophlies...

Jesus Christ.

...I don't even have anything to say. Me, of all people! Now that is powerful stupid right there. Do you not understand the concept of children being unable to consent?

[Insanity Fair]

I say if the kid wants it, than let it be

I see no wrong in it as long as they both agree

but maybe its becouse Im intersted in pedophlies...

Maybe at sixteen it can be possible to know what you want. But at a prepubuescent age it is impossible. Especially considering they don't fully understand what sex is.

[Sith Lord 13]

...I don't even have anything to say. Me, of all people! Now that is powerful stupid right there.

This made me lolz. I never thought I'd see the day you had nothing to say. This is one for the history books.

[enzenzz]

the whole concept of age of consent is merely the agreed upon age of society, do you really have a different state of mind a day/a month/a year, before you reach your age of consent?

it has to do with how mature the child is and his understanding the consequences of what he is doing. we cannot just put a number on when that will happen but we rather hope that by that age the majority should at least have it.

as for those who forcefully engage underage children, then i agree that they should be punished.

[Dorsum Oppel]

the whole concept of age of consent is merely the agreed upon age of society, do you really have a different state of mind a day/a month/a year, before you reach your age of consent?

it has to do with how mature the child is and his understanding the consequences of what he is doing. we cannot just put a number on when that will happen but we rather hope that by that age the majority should at least have it.

as for those who forcefully engage underage children, then i agree that they should be punished.

We can't just put a number on-

Actually, we sure as hell can, and did. It is the average age of maturity and the point at which they are able to reason properly. If we did not have this law, when would we be able to tell weather the child was making a good decision? We wouldn't.

[Dive to Survive]

Jesus Christ.

...I don't even have anything to say. Me, of all people! Now that is powerful stupid right there.

Haha

I always thought it was wrong but never really anything else. But last night I was watching an episode of Criminal Minds. (It was on a plane, had nothing better to do) It was about a case on pedophilia. There was a little boy being auctioned off to pedophiles. He was being kept in a little room with no doors.
It was sickening and now I have a new mindset on pedophilia. It is disgusting and sometimes there isn't a punishment enough.

[Jamie]

I always thought it was wrong but never really anything else.
No, you always thought persecuting others for crimes they haven't committed, and thoughts that in no way affect you, was right.
But last night I was watching an episode of Criminal Minds.Interesting show, but you really shouldn't rely on it too heavily for psychological assessments.
It was about a case on pedophilia.
Here we go...
There was a little boy being auctioned off to pedophiles. He was being kept in a little room with no doors.
Yes, because paedophile are notorious for selling their victims, but first for putting them in small rooms with no windows or doors.
It was sickening and now I have a new mindset on pedophilia.Because of a fictional crime show? Seriously?
It is disgusting and sometimes there isn't a punishment enough.I place murder without motive above child molestation, but that's just me.

Also, because you obviously didn't read my OP... this thread is over paedophilia, and you must realize that not every child molester is a paedophile, nor is every paedophile is a child molester. That's absurd.

[justalovestruckteen]

Hmm I remeber once
When I was about 10 or 9 there was this 40 year old taxi driver....
He kissed me and I let him as I kissed back
it whould have lead to sex if my mom have'nt showed up...
Im just confused about the whole thing....

[Dive to Survive]

No, you always thought persecuting others for crimes they haven't committed, and thoughts that in no way affect you, was right.


[QUOTE=Jamie;957311]Interesting show, but you really shouldn't rely on it too heavily for psychological assessments.

I don't and I hope you don't either.

Yes, because paedophile are notorious for selling their victims, but first for putting them in small rooms with no windows or doors.

You said yourself, you shouldn't rely on the show too much. It obviously doesn't happen with every single case.

Because of a fictional crime show? Seriously?

No, a lot more thought went into it than that.

I place murder without motive above child molestation, but that's just me.

I think they are both terrible and offenders should be heavily punished for both.

Also, because you obviously didn't read my OP... this thread is over paedophilia, and you must realize that not every child molester is a paedophile, nor is every paedophile is a child molester. That's absurd.

That is absurd and isn't what I said.

[Jamie]

No, a lot more thought went into it than that.
Please, tell me what sparked the thought that paedophiles were bad, apart from Crim. Minds.

[INFERNO]

Haha

I always thought it was wrong but never really anything else. But last night I was watching an episode of Criminal Minds. (It was on a plane, had nothing better to do) It was about a case on pedophilia. There was a little boy being auctioned off to pedophiles. He was being kept in a little room with no doors.
It was sickening and now I have a new mindset on pedophilia. It is disgusting and sometimes there isn't a punishment enough.

I've seen that episode but that's not an accurate representation of pedophiles and what they do. That episode also was about human trafficking of children. There are typologies for specific genders or for both genders. For specific genders, such as for female pedophiles, the typology may include experimenter (offender is in their early to mid 20's, often in a position of a babysitter or similar and offends out of curiousity) to nurturers (older than the experimenter, they care for the child and have sex with the child because they feel it's justifiable for the caring duties they performed) to a male coerced (passive female in a relationship with an aggressive male, older than the experimenter, couple likely have their own children whom the mother may abuse in addition to offending on other children whom the male demands). Hall & Hall (2007)

This is part of a typology based on real cases from real pedophiles.

[CaptainObvious]

Haha

I always thought it was wrong but never really anything else. But last night I was watching an episode of Criminal Minds. (It was on a plane, had nothing better to do) It was about a case on pedophilia. There was a little boy being auctioned off to pedophiles. He was being kept in a little room with no doors.
It was sickening and now I have a new mindset on pedophilia. It is disgusting and sometimes there isn't a punishment enough.

That's a highly fictionalized depiction. And in any case, even if it weren't, the people in that episode were not just pedophiles but also child molesters. There is a very major difference: not all pedophiles commit crimes.

That is absurd and isn't what I said.

You watched an episode about child molesters (who also happen to be pedophiles, one would assume), and on that basis have changed your opinion about pedophilia. Since child molestation is not an inevitable consequence of pedophilia, how does your change of mind follow? While the people depicted therein were pedophiles, not all pedophiles would ever take actions like those depicted there. So how is that an argument against pedophilia as opposed to child molestation?

[steve1234]

I obviously think peadophilia is wrong. I think it is especially bad if they carry out any crimes related to peadophilia. I definatly think these criminals should have their genitals cut off as punishment!

But, people can't really help who they are attracted to. I have respect (well, sort of) for those peadophiles who keep their attractions just in their head, and stay away from illegal images, and molesting children.
If someone is having these thoughts, then they should get some help from a therapist. It must be very hard for someone having these thoughts to get help though. I think it should be easier for people like this to get help .

[CaptainObvious]

I obviously think peadophilia is wrong. I think it is especially bad if they carry out any crimes related to peadophilia. I definatly think these criminals should have their genitals cut off as punishment!

But, people can't really help who they are attracted to. I have respect (well, sort of) for those peadophiles who keep their attractions just in their head, and stay away from illegal images, and molesting children.
If someone is having these thoughts, then they should get some help from a therapist. It must be very hard for someone having these thoughts to get help though. I think it should be easier for people like this to get help .

I largely agree. Except that I cannot see how you can think the attraction itself wrong. How can an attraction be wrong? Only actions can be wrong.

The other thing I take issue with is bolded. This is going to be controversial, but:

I would rather pedophiles had lots of child pornography (assuming it was preexisting and no more children were abused to make it, as is often the case nowadays with so much freely floating around the Internet traded between pedophiles) to help satisfy their urges. The kind of child abuse that creates such images is a very horrible thing; once they are created, however, I would rather every pedophile on Earth had copies before a single child more was harmed to make more, or to satisfy some molester's unrequited lust. I'd much prefer the pedophiles masturbating in the privacy of their own homes to whatever they want, horrible as that may sound, than out abusing more children.

(Not to say, of course, that giving pedophiles CP would prevent more molestation. But if it does even slightly, it's worth it.)

[steve1234]

I largely agree. Except that I cannot see how you can think the attraction itself wrong. How can an attraction be wrong? Only actions can be wrong.

The other thing I take issue with is bolded. This is going to be controversial, but:

I would rather pedophiles had lots of child pornography (assuming it was preexisting and no more children were abused to make it, as is often the case nowadays with so much freely floating around the Internet traded between pedophiles) to help satisfy their urges. The kind of child abuse that creates such images is a very horrible thing; once they are created, however, I would rather every pedophile on Earth had copies before a single child more was harmed to make more, or to satisfy some molester's unrequited lust. I'd much prefer the pedophiles masturbating in the privacy of their own homes to whatever they want, horrible as that may sound, than out abusing more children.

(Not to say, of course, that giving pedophiles CP would prevent more molestation. But if it does even slightly, it's worth it.)

That does sound controversial, but I suppose I agree with you. Looking at images would certainly be better than abusing a child. But, you could argue that someone looking at images of children could encourage them to abuse a child.
Also, I didn't actually say that attractions are wrong. But, surely someone who is attracted to children would need help to prevent them from doing something stupid?

[INFERNO]

I would rather pedophiles had lots of child pornography (assuming it was preexisting and no more children were abused to make it, as is often the case nowadays with so much freely floating around the Internet traded between pedophiles) to help satisfy their urges. The kind of child abuse that creates such images is a very horrible thing; once they are created, however, I would rather every pedophile on Earth had copies before a single child more was harmed to make more, or to satisfy some molester's unrequited lust. I'd much prefer the pedophiles masturbating in the privacy of their own homes to whatever they want, horrible as that may sound, than out abusing more children.


Part of me wants to agree and say that although it is very controversial it could have a benefit, another part disagrees. I suppose the reasons I disagree are that not all pedophiles will enjoy the same stuff so some may have their urges unfulfilled and want to fulfill them. One typology in particular is thankfully the smallest, sadistic pedophiles but they also tend to have an extremely large amount of victims. It's also not particularly uncommon for them to have other paraphilias which the photos or videos may not fulfill so they may want to fill those urges by doing them.
Another reason is it seems to encourage child pornography by freely handing it over so it sends a message that the law considers it alright. My last reason is if some people are unsure about their sexual feelings towards it, this may actually encourage them to try doing the acts depicted rather than not doing the acts.

But, despite the reasons against it I gave, I do see the potential controversial benefit in it.