Kill, or Clean?

[Brighter.Tomorrow]

A biologist in Germany has stirred up a fuss with comments suggesting it makes more sense to kill heavily oiled birds from the Gulf of Mexico oil-spill disaster than to clean them.
"According to serious studies, the middle-term survival rate of oil-soaked birds is under 1 percent," Silvia Gaus, a biologist at the Wattenmeer National Park along the North Sea, was quoted as saying on Spiegel Online last month. "We, therefore, oppose cleaning birds."

Today's numbers from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and other groups involved in the cleanup show that 413 oiled birds have been collected alive, and 594 dead birds have been picked up. Of all those birds, only 39 have been released back into the wild.

Mark Russell, a project manager at the IBRRC, took strong issue with Gaus' claim that cleaning is ineffective: He told me that the studies on which she based her conclusions suffered from some gaps in procedure. (For example, what were the rehabilitation practices? Did the monitoring equipment that was strapped onto the released birds contribute to their demise? If you can no longer locate a bird with a transmitter, should you always assume that the bird died?)

Source: http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/06/07/4475943-clean-the-birds-or-kill-them

[lamboman43]

If they start killing the birds and not giving them a chance then BP should definately be charged criminally for this whole ordeal. This is seriously getting on my nerves.

[Sage]

If they start killing the birds and not giving them a chance then BP should definately be charged criminally for this whole ordeal. This is seriously getting on my nerves.

BP isn't responsible for cleaning or killing the wildlife, these are other organizations.

[lamboman43]

BP isn't responsible for cleaning or killing the wildlife, these are other organizations.

But it's their fault the oil is there in the first place. If they would have taken care of their rigs and shut-off valves we wouldn't have to clean or kill the birds.

[Cloud]

But it's their fault the oil is there in the first place.

actually its everyones fault
people created the demand for oil
BP only stepped up to supply

[lamboman43]

actually its everyones fault
people created the demand for oil
BP only stepped up to supply

Well if you want to go back that far thats good point.
But they took the risk, they didn't have to.

But this thread is about killing animals, not playing the blame game. Do i think they should kill the birds, NO.

[Sage]

Do i think they should kill the birds, NO.

Why? They're just birds. We've no shortage of them.

[Brighter.Tomorrow]

Why? They're just birds. We've no shortage of them.

Same could very well be said about humans.

[Sith Lord 13]

Why? They're just birds. We've no shortage of them.

I know VT has an extra vulture flying around. :P

[Sugaree]

Why? They're just birds. We've no shortage of them.

This.

Same could very well be said about humans.

Are you kidding me? You'd have to be killing off over half of newborns every day. Besides, you have death and birth constantly every day, so our population is growing and decreasing every day. Birds, on the other hand, are not. I would see no problem killing the birds, but only leave it as a last option. Let's try to clean the most we can, but if we can't get a good majority cleaned and released back in the wild (which is doubtful), we need to kill them. If survival rates are under one percent, why try?

[lamboman43]

PETA is going to have a huge fit over it when they start.

[Brighter.Tomorrow]

This.



Are you kidding me? You'd have to be killing off over half of newborns every day. Besides, you have death and birth constantly every day, so our population is growing and decreasing every day. Birds, on the other hand, are not. I would see no problem killing the birds, but only leave it as a last option. Let's try to clean the most we can, but if we can't get a good majority cleaned and released back in the wild (which is doubtful), we need to kill them. If survival rates are under one percent, why try?
Matthew, we could blow up the world, if we wanted to. Just from this one event it's clear humans do more damage then animals. I will admit, it is going to waste alot of money to try and help them, but it also wasted alot of money to dig for that oil anyway, and it's wasting more money to wait til near Christmas to cap it. The oil is going to end up on the east coast of Florida soon, when that happens America will lose a good sum of money, Florida makes alot of it's money from the beaches and the Keys. Tampa, Miami and Daytona are the main tourist beaches, Tampa will be hit soon, then Miami, then Daytona. That will lose us alot of money.

PETA is going to have a huge fit over it when they start.
I'm surprised they don't already have it up on there site..

[Jess]

no they shouldn't kill the birds!

[Dorsum Oppel]

PETA is going to have a huge fit over it when they start.

PETA has a fit about everything. Throwing a tantrum is what PETA does best.

[lamboman43]

PETA has a fit about everything. Throwing a tantrum is what PETA does best.

That is for damn sure.

[Sage]

no they shouldn't kill the birds!

Why not?

[Nathaniel]

Why not?

I noticed your avatar and can't help but to smile a little at this.

[Scarface]

Just from this one event it's clear humans do more damage then animals.

It wasn't just humans the machines were guaranteed that this wouldn't happen, but with offshore drilling come fuck ups. It should have been planned for in a situation like this

I will admit, it is going to waste alot of money to try and help them, but it also wasted alot of money to dig for that oil anyway, and it's wasting more money to wait til near Christmas to cap it.

We have wasted enough money period. Instead they were thinking about throwing garbage in it. That's when I though wow what's he going to do next plug it with whale blubber?

The oil is going to end up on the east coast of Florida soon, when that happens America will lose a good sum of money, Florida makes alot of it's money from the beaches and the Keys.

We not only get money from the beaches, but the tourists that come here every summer and winter. The tar has already washed up the Pensacola shore. The amount of time for that ecosystem to repair itself, with coral and the aquatic life and animals I don't see it stopping till you said Christmas time.

Tampa, Miami and Daytona are the main tourist beaches, Tampa will be hit soon, then Miami, then Daytona. That will lose us alot of money.

It's already in that current pulling it east. as it gets closer to Miami :(

[MyNameIsJack]

adsfan.

[Origami]

It wasn't just humans the machines were guaranteed that this wouldn't happen, but with offshore drilling come fuck ups. It should have been planned for in a situation like this.

Umm... yeah, you contradict yourself.
"It wasn't just humans." -Okay, then who was it, oh wait, you answered that.
"The machines were guaranteed that this wouldn't happen." -Who made that guarantee? Lulz, humans of course. The machines didn't promise that.
"With offshor drilling comes fuck ups." - Lol, it's not nature or machines that hunt for oil, guess what, it's humans! :D
"It should have been planned for in a situation like this." -Guess who didn't plan for this? That's right, humans!
I'm pretty sure this was all the fault of us humans. :)

If survival rates are under one percent, why try?
Nom nom nom.

[Dahnyoul]

I think this ...

#1 Clean them, and let them get on with there life, and enjoy what they have left even know they aren't humans, they have lifes and are born to have fun/enjoy it.

#2 Do nothing, let them get on with it .. and let them die at there own rate/chance.

BUT, 100% Charge the company that the oil leaked from, I'm pretty sure over 4,000+ fish have died due to this getting into there blood-stream or eating things that have been diagnosed/influenced by the oil.

They have harmed lifes, yes .. maybe it isn't human-life it's still ruining something, the fish/birds could have squats/chicks to look after.

It's like someone dropping heavy-stones from the sky, people get hurt/die and no one is going to do anything about it.