This Rule

[goldbiospark]

Personally, I think if we prove that we are active members on VT (100 posts to send a PM) and we havent broken any "rules" that truely can cause a problem for VT and the people who use it, I think it would be reasonable to say that if we make friends on VirtualTeen.org we should be able to share our SN's to CHAT with them. NO MODERATORS WE DONT WANT TO CAM WITH PEOPLE.

Rule should be:

- If for some reason someone does ask you to "cam" with them after you get their SN (and break the rule) that they be reported to VT and have their IP address logged and permanently banned from Virtual Teen.org


(DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE ENOUGH)

For the people who say: "Take the time to PM your friends on here"

Who says we have the time to say on VT ALL DAY and "chat" with a slow system and not an Instant Messaging System ( IM )

[Wonder.]

You can enter your msn, yahoo, etc. in your user control panel. You can also find out others by going to someone's profile under contact info.

[Harley Quinn]

Not EVERYTHING is puberty, look around before posting. Seriously, it will save you a lot of time. :arrow: HQ

There's already been questions like this asked. Again look around before you post. You'll find your answer.

[Zero Beat]

Not EVERYTHING is puberty, look around before posting. Seriously, it will save you a lot of time. :arrow: HQ

+Rep Siobhan.

^_^

Yes, there are a number of threads about this.
Due to the VM system that was put in place a few months (?) ago, they changed it. They see it has, why can't you just VM until you have 100 posts to PM.

[Kaius]

Rule should be:

- If for some reason someone does ask you to "cam" with them after you get their SN (and break the rule) that they be reported to VT and have their IP address logged and permanently banned from Virtual Teen.org

That's the rule already. I don't get what's so hard to understand about the new rule. Using VM's instead of PM's isn't the end of the world. The rule is in place for the safety of the members here.

If you want more information see here (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=73076). But the rule will not be changing any time soon.

[Giles]

If you want to talk to someone outside of Vt, then direct them to your contact details that you can put on your profile.

[goldbiospark]

That's the rule already. I don't get what's so hard to understand about the new rule. Using VM's instead of PM's isn't the end of the world. The rule is in place for the safety of the members here.

If you want more information see here (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=73076). But the rule will not be changing any time soon.

The problem is I use aim on my cellphone and ipod when I don't have time to be on my computer.

I think my prospective is a legitimate argument.

And I DO THINK this rule should change, and for the persons safety (REPORT ANY ISSUES THAT YOU MAY HAVE WITH OTHER PEOPLE)

-- Is that such a 'BIG DEAL?' --

[Perseus]

I think my prospective is a legitimate argument.

And I DO THINK this rule should change, and for the persons safety (REPORT ANY ISSUES THAT YOU MAY HAVE WITH OTHER PEOPLE)

-- Is that such a 'BIG DEAL?' --

I understand where you're coming from. I think a hundred is a little bit too much, and when people are like, "just ask them for their info or direct them to yours", I'm just like, "well, they can't PM them to ask, so that makes no sense." But it's for the safety because not everyone will report because they could be doing it, or the person receiving it might not care or like it. But the senior staff have already concluded, and I know for a fact they will not change it because a couple hundred new members don't think it's fair or something, when they'd be the ones to cam and stuff.

[Kaius]

The problem is I use aim on my cellphone and ipod when I don't have time to be on my computer.

Yes, you may. But that doesn't mean other members automatically do the same. The rule is in place for people to be kept safe. If people wish to add you, or add others they can look on your profile for your contact details.

[goldbiospark]

But that doesn't mean other members automatically do the same.

Who say's they dont?

[Cloud]

Well its Ants rule, Ant pays the bills, So Ants forum.
If Ant wants it to be his rule and its fair
It will be enforced


since you argued against all other reasoning behind that argue against that

[goldbiospark]

OK, well (" Ant ")

This rule needs to be more flexible for the people who don't do what your trying to prevent.

[Cloud]

OK, well (" Ant ")

This rule needs to be more flexible for the people who don't do what your trying to prevent.
Ants the admin
Why should the rule be more flexible
and how are we to tell who is or isnt going to do what were preventing?

[CaptainObvious]

and how are we to tell who is or isnt going to do what were preventing?

This is exactly the point. Maybe you're not, but at least the majority of the people who are so unable to hold back from constantly asking to chat are camming, and over time that has shown no signs of changing. This is a forum, not a chat meet up. While we have no problem with established members chatting - that would be absurd - the majority of <100 posters asking for IMs are going to break the rules. It's a safety issue. For anyone who intends to stay a lasting member of this site, 100 posts really isn't much.

Every cammer says "I'm not camming"... nothing meant about this thread by that, of course. *cough*

[Maverick]

OK, well (" Ant ")

This rule needs to be more flexible for the people who don't do what your trying to prevent.I'm open to suggestions but so far the current system seems to work pretty well. I understand that its frustrating but it definitely beats having this site loaded with cammers and predators.

[Iron Man]

Maybe it should be raised to 250. The obvious cammers who complain about the rule might give up if it means they have to post a lot.

[Cloud]

NOOO
bad idea
spamming to 100's annoying enough
if they spam to 250 thats gonna be even more frustrating cleaning that up

[Kaius]

The spamming is easily sorted, but it would be unfair to raise the pm post count further and it will probably cause more arguments than there is now. 100 posts is safe enough and is a fairer deal.

[Giles]

I'm all for increasing the amount of posts needed. I find it hilarious watching all the new members crying because they can't Pm.

[Cloud]

That just makes it unecisarily harsh
since if they spam to 100
well notice
if they spam to 250
then its just overkill
and a pain for us to clean up as it just adds more shit to do
and more people bitching about the pm limit

[Obscene Eyedeas]

tbh i think the rule is best where it stands. a lot of thought went into this rule before it was created.

[Giles]

That just makes it unecisarily harsh
since if they spam to 100
well notice
if they spam to 250
then its just overkill
and a pain for us to clean up as it just adds more shit to do
and more people bitching about the pm limit

That's the best part.. :) Lol

[Origami]

Personally, I think if we prove that we are active members on VT (100 posts to send a PM) and we havent broken any "rules" that truely can cause a problem for VT and the people who use it, I think it would be reasonable to say that if we make friends on VirtualTeen.org we should be able to share our SN's to CHAT with them

Reread the original post. You're all debating about the PM limit. His original post was NOT in anyway a complaint about the post. His complaint was about being allowed to openly share screennames and such.
What good is this section when you debate on something the original post was not about?

[Iron Man]

With new trends, people go directly from VT to IM to do camming, etc. If we think of the safety of the members and this site, we should think of what goes on OUTSIDE as well.

[Perseus]

I'm all for increasing the amount of posts needed. I find it hilarious watching all the new members crying because they can't Pm.

You'd bitch too if you couldn't PM when you wanted because of a bunch of jackasses who cammed.

[Cloud]

Reread the original post. You're all debating about the PM limit. His original post was NOT in anyway a complaint about the post. His complaint was about being allowed to openly share screennames and such.
What good is this section when you debate on something the original post was not about?

since thats what it comes down to
we dont allow them in posts or vms
and tehy cant pm them til they get 100 posts
so its moaning that they cant send them until they have 100 posts

[nick]

Reread the original post. You're all debating about the PM limit. His original post was NOT in anyway a complaint about the post. His complaint was about being allowed to openly share screennames and such.
What good is this section when you debate on something the original post was not about?

QFT

Congratulations to Josh on being the only person that appears able to read. At no point does the OP complain about the 100 post limit for pms. That was not the topic of his question.

[Origami]

since thats what it comes down to
we dont allow them in posts or vms
and tehy cant pm them til they get 100 posts
so its moaning that they cant send them until they have 100 posts

No Calum, that theory of yours is outruled again by the original post. If you read it, he states that if you have proven to be an "active member" on VT, then you should be allowed to. One thing he considers an active member is having 100 posts as he stated. Again, the original post ruins this whole entire topic because you all went off about the PM limit. He outruled the PM limit dicussion from the beginning.

[Cloud]

actually Nick since you claim none of us to have read the thread id suggest you to do that
we answered his question
then Enterprise suggested it go to 250
which is how we got on the topic that it shouldnt be changed

His point is about being allowed to share im details
which we dont allow in the public parts
there isnt much we can do about it when its sent via a pm
so you can send stuff via pms if you wish and have it on your contact details
were only stopping you actaully handing iit out to people when your new or asking new members to hand out theirs

[Origami]

actually Nick since you claim none of us to have read the thread id suggest you to do that
we answered his question
then Enterprise suggested it go to 250
which is how we got on the topic that it shouldnt be changed
Actually only Ben and Tyler even touched his topic. Moreorless they weren't even answers.

His point is about being allowed to share im details
which we dont allow in the public parts
there isnt much we can do about it when its sent via a pm
so you can send stuff via pms if you wish and have it on your contact details
were only stopping you actaully handing iit out to people when your new or asking new members to hand out theirs
This was his whole question and complaint. He stated that he believes Active Members should be allowed to post these, or ask for openly. Again, I don't know why you even mention "new members" though. At this point it's a pretty useless phrase. His question was never so much answered as it was pushed aside for a different discussion.

[Cloud]

Actually only Ben and Tyler even touched his topic. Moreorless they weren't even answers.


This was his whole question and complaint. He stated that he believes Active Members should be allowed to post these, or ask for openly. Again, I don't know why you even mention "new members" though. At this point it's a pretty useless phrase. His question was never so much answered as it was pushed aside for a different discussion.

my point is that if he can send pms then he can send a pm with his contact info in
since hes proven he can obey the rules
the reason i bring new members in is because we dont allow them to be asked on the public areas of the forum, like vms, and it is new members that are getting stopped from sharing im details via vms and the forums

[Origami]

my point is that if he can send pms then he can send a pm with his contact info in
since hes proven he can obey the rules

Now, why couldn't you have given a useful answer like that from the beginning instead of saying "it's Ant's rule," knowing that it wasn't the least bit helpful? :P

[Jess]

people will abuse this.

[Obscene Eyedeas]

Originally Posted by goldbiospark
Personally, I think if we prove that we are active members on VT (100 posts to send a PM) and we havent broken any "rules" that truely can cause a problem for VT and the people who use it, I think it would be reasonable to say that if we make friends on VirtualTeen.org we should be able to share our SN's to CHAT with them

How as moderators are we supposed to be able to go through every new member every day that joins and to make such an extensive analysis of the member so as to say they may pm when others of the same post count cannot and must wait till one hundred. We know nothing about them and cannot make that decision. Also we do not allow people to publicly give out their im details for their own safety as anyone can see them and that information used for purposes such as camming by others, it is for the safety of all members.

Before any decision was made on this all aspects of the situation were taken into account and it was decided the safest way and fairest way was to set the limit at 100 posts to pm and to introduce vms so that members may still contact each other. Your im details can be left in your contact information on your profile and that is really enough, a lot of thought went into this before it was put into effect

[1_21Guns]

As mods, we're following the rules, so theres no need to be so 'NO WERE NOT'
because sadly, some people do.
the rules fine as it is. yeah. 90% of those who want to get peoples MSN proabably arent cammers, but thats not our fault.
and pretty much;
How as moderators are we supposed to be able to go through every new member every day that joins and to make such an extensive analysis of the member so as to say they may pm when others of the same post count cannot and must wait till one hundred. We know nothing about them and cannot make that decision. Also we do not allow people to publicly give out their im details for their own safety as anyone can see them and that information used for purposes such as camming by others, it is for the safety of all members.

Before any decision was made on this all aspects of the situation were taken into account and it was decided the safest way and fairest way was to set the limit at 100 posts to pm and to introduce vms so that members may still contact each other. Your im details can be left in your contact information on your profile and that is really enough, a lot of thought went into this before it was put into effect

[Origami]

We do not allow people to publicly give out their im details for their own safety as anyone can see them and that information used for purposes such as camming by others, it is for the safety of all members.
+Rep Laura for being the only person to sufficiently answer the original post in their initial response.

------//:Edit------
Once I spread rep of course. XD

[Giles]

You'd bitch too if you couldn't PM when you wanted because of a bunch of jackasses who cammed.

I actually don't Pm very often. If I want to talk to people then I get their msn from the profile, which is what I suggested.

Calum covered the reason why it went slightly off topic so I won't go there.

[Perseus]

I actually don't Pm very often. If I want to talk to people then I get their msn from the profile, which is what I suggested.

Calum covered the reason why it went slightly off topic so I won't go there.

Doesn't matter, 250 would be ridiculous, and you know it. Stop hatin' on the new members.

[Obscene Eyedeas]

You guys as members have put forward an idea it has been discussed if you would like to discuss it further please do so but in a civilized way. I personally believe 250 would be too high and that is my opinion. i believe this because the spam it would cause would be ridiculous and it can take a member a very long time to get to 100 posts not amind 250 posts so i believe it should stay at 100

[MaliciousBunface]

It's probably annoying enough, when new members spam old topics to get to 100..

[Giles]

Doesn't matter, 250 would be ridiculous, and you know it. Stop hatin' on the new members.


Oh God, I know 250 is too much. I would just find it amusing to see them start complaining about that aswell.

Anyway it was all a joke..

[goldbiospark]

With new trends, people go directly from VT to IM to do camming, etc. If we think of the safety of the members and this site, we should think of what goes on OUTSIDE as well.

And if something does go on OUTSIDE of VT, IT SHOULD BE REPORTED!

Well its Ants rule, Ant pays the bills, So Ants forum.
If Ant wants it to be his rule and its fair
It will be enforced


since you argued against all other reasoning behind that argue against that

I am allowed to have my opinion, also *mr.new mod* the fact that I had to be told what happens is because someone pays the bill, therefore makes the rules.. I think everyone got that, without having to be told

As mods, we're following the rules, so theres no need to be so 'NO WERE NOT'
because sadly, some people do.
the rules fine as it is. yeah. 90% of those who want to get peoples MSN proabably arent cammers, but thats not our fault.
and pretty much;

WHY SHOULD WE BE PUNISHED REGARDLESS OF WHO'S FAULT IT IS?. If any rules are broken. The person envolved (may we say "tageted") REPORTS it to VT. (Problem Solved?)

[Wonder.]

I really don't see how it's a punishment. Just put it in your user cp and tell people to look there or something. Could you please explain the problem with the reasonable answers some people have given? I guess I just don't understand.

[Harley Quinn]

LOL you make it sound like you're in prison or you're dying just because you can't send your contact details via VM. uhm? The place on your profile is there for a reason, use it, stop trying to insult people "mr.new.mod" because you're failing. You keep saying "report" well, it does get reported - and it gets dealed with according to what's going wrong. Now, does it really harm you or burden your life to just use the allocated space on your profile instead of moaning? You're not a victim so you're not a target, rules are rules, you don't like the way things are working at the moment, you know where the log out button is, and if you don't it's the last option on the top toolbar, click and guess what? You don't ever have to moan if you click that ^_^

[Wonder.]

LOL you make it sound like you're in prison or you're dying just because you can't send your contact details via VM. uhm? The place on your profile is there for a reason, use it, stop trying to insult people "mr.new.mod" because you're failing. You keep saying "report" well, it does get reported - and it gets dealed with according to what's going wrong. Now, does it really harm you or burden your life to just use the allocated space on your profile instead of moaning? You're not a victim so you're not a target, rules are rules, you don't like the way things are working at the moment, you know where the log out button is, and if you don't it's the last option on the top toolbar, click and guess what? You don't ever have to moan if you click that ^_^

I'm sorry but I'm sick of people saying shit like "leave and don't come back" to people. I'm suprised there's so many active members here with this. Everyone needs to try to help and come up with a solution, not tell the people to leave. Even if they don't understand your point of view or start to be a pain in the ass you suck it up and try to help. And save you're "go ahead and leave if you don't like it" speech. I already know. Now let's all try to come up with a DECENT way of figuring out a solution.

I'm sorry but I had to get it out.

[Harley Quinn]

There is a solution, use the space allocated.

[Wonder.]

There is a solution, use the space allocated.

There, so was the go ahead and leave speech really necessary?

[Harley Quinn]

Well he isn't listening to anyone that tells him the EXACT same thing, so yes, yes there was. Watch, he'll come back and complain more because that isn't the solution he wanted. Answer me this, what's so hard about listening, and using the correct space?

[Wonder.]

I don't know but I know that he sees a problem with it and until he gives a reason why it's a problem, nobody will know. And I'm pretty sure saying leave isn't very moderator-like.

So now we wait until he comes back on to tell us the problem...

[Antares]

QFT

Congratulations to Josh on being the only person that appears able to read. At no point does the OP complain about the 100 post limit for pms. That was not the topic of his question.

Thirded.
They're not complaining about VMs, they are referring to sharing IM info.

Personally, I understand that it does suck having the only way to share IM info via PM (which is disabled for 100 and less members) or through the profile for the ones that have it in there but the point of the rule is to make the site safer with the least amount of illegal activity as possible.

I know it does suck but if you sit back and think about it, it is working pretty well. I mean obviously if you seem like you have a non-camming tone you won't be horded by moderators but even so, you still have at least 2 forms of sharing those details. So I wouldn't be totally opposed to a lax in censorship but this system is working quite well

[The Batman]

I don't know but I know that he sees a problem with it and until he gives a reason why it's a problem, nobody will know. And I'm pretty sure saying leave isn't very moderator-like.

So now we wait until he comes back on to tell us the problem...

It's the truth. People don't like it here they can click that log out button and never return. Won't affect any of us in anyway.

[Sith Lord 13]

I'm sorry but I'm sick of people saying shit like "leave and don't come back" to people. I'm suprised there's so many active members here with this. Everyone needs to try to help and come up with a solution, not tell the people to leave. Even if they don't understand your point of view or start to be a pain in the ass you suck it up and try to help. And save you're "go ahead and leave if you don't like it" speech. I already know. Now let's all try to come up with a DECENT way of figuring out a solution.

I'm sorry but I had to get it out.

I gotta say, I agree with Siobhan. People have told him the problems with what he's proposed, and instead of accepting it, or even finding valid rebuttals, he's decided to continue complaining. I'm not saying he has to like it. Hell, I think 100 is too much and that 50 would be appropriate. Do you see me complaining though? No. You know why? Because I've raised my points, the administration has raised theirs, and unless I can show something wrong with their reasoning (besides the fact that I disagree), there is no point in continuing to argue. If he can't accept the fact that this is the way the site works, he can either learn to tolerate it in silence, or leave. There is no reason this community should have to be sidetracked with thing like this. This site is here to help people. Not for us to have long winded debates about a policy that won't change in the foreseeable future.

[Origami]

I don't know but I know that he sees a problem with it and until he gives a reason why it's a problem, nobody will know. And I'm pretty sure saying leave isn't very moderator-like.

So now we wait until he comes back on to tell us the problem...

No no, I agree with Siobahn. Why? I agree with her because if you read the thread, I actually bitched at everyone for not adequately answering his question, and thus it was appropriately answered. It was efficiently answered by Laura in fact, but after he comes back with the smartass remarks, then yeah, he can hit log out and never return. He was helped, given the adequate answer to his question, he chose to refute those answers.

WHY SHOULD WE BE PUNISHED REGARDLESS OF WHO'S FAULT IT IS?. If any rules are broken. The person envolved (may we say "tageted") REPORTS it to VT. (Problem Solved?)

It's not a punishment, it's a safety measure. When you create a website for teenagers, let alone unstable teens, you have to take their safety into account. The reason the rule exists is because it's obviously a reoccuring problem and any problem that is consistant is easier, and best dealt with a rule such as this one in place.

If he can't accept the fact that this is the way the site works, he can either learn to tolerate it in silence, or leave. There is no reason this community should have to be sidetracked with thing like this. This site is here to help people. Not for us to have long winded debates about a policy that won't change in the foreseeable future.

Nick pulled a QTF, now it's my turn.

[Wonder.]

Everyone know they can leave but imagine if everyone told you to leave. You would definately leave and think VT was a horrible place and tell everyone how mean they are.

Also, think about how telling people to leave looks to the new members.

It doesn't help when people complain about things that won't change but it doesn't help when people tell someone to log off. It's just as bad as complaining.

Now, let's just get back on subject.

[goldbiospark]

It's the truth. People don't like it here they can click that log out button and never return. Won't affect any of us in anyway.

No body asked for YOU TO PICK A FIGHT EITHER (wow isnt that farmilier)

And dont say you weren't

[The Batman]

First: Stop making your font that big
Second: I have no reason to pick a fight with you, because honestly I don't care if you leave or go it won't affect me either way and when i made the statement I wasn't even thinking about you. If you wish to continue this further go on and pm me.

[Obscene Eyedeas]

No body asked for YOU TO PICK A FIGHT EITHER (wow isnt that farmilier)

And dont say you weren't

This is not why you started this thread, if you have a problem with a post and believe someone is trying to pick on you please report it and it will be dealt with.

You've gone off topic here for no reason. If you do not want to address the valid points raised in this thread then don't but your argument is flawed and unless you bring forward further reasons as to why the system should be changed i think you've said all you needed to say. I addressed your question and you ignored my answer. Unless you have further angles on this topic to discuss i believe this thread has no more purpose

[Harley Quinn]

See how I just predicted he'd earlier he'dcome back with a completly different arguement because he can't face the answer, or actually move on?

[goldbiospark]

See how I just predicted he'd earlier he'dcome back with a completly different arguement because he can't face the answer, or actually move on?


Ok Better Response To This, FUCK OFF..

First: Stop making your font that big
Second: I have no reason to pick a fight with you, because honestly I don't care if you leave or go it won't affect me either way and when i made the statement I wasn't even thinking about you. If you wish to continue this further go on and pm me.


by the way, essentially telling me to F.O. is picking a fight. So hell yea i use big font

Can someone please give me more information on my ORIGINAL question please.

[Sith Lord 13]

First off, don't triple post. It's against the rules and annoying.

Second, don't tell Sio to fuck off. She's an awesome person, and has a hell of a lot of respect from a hell of a lot of people. She's a mod for Christ's sake.

Third, I thought your question was answered in depth. Please clarify which parts of the answers you were given that you don't understand. I'm sure we'd all be happy to help get this matter settled.

[Harley Quinn]

We have. Look back at all our post, especially Lauras (Archangel_Lirel) because we've all answered your question, if you can't be bothered to read and actually take in what we're saying, why should we tell you over and over and over the EXACT same thing?

Also, it's a low blow telling me to fuck off, :P

[mrmcdonaldduck]

We have. Look back at all our post, especially Lauras (Archangel_Lirel) because we've all answered your question, if you can't be bothered to read and actually take in what we're saying, why should we tell you over and over and over the EXACT same thing?

Also, it's a low blow telling me to fuck off, :P

Siobhan if i where you id -rep the guy and tell him to f off back. but thats just me. Try to lay off the personal attacks, they arent very nice and a mod may decide to infract you



and seriously mate, we answered your question. We wont allow IM details in public or there WILL be a huge amount of camming. I dont know about you, but the 2 times that i have asked to go camming was enough to make me realise that cammers will follow you to the end of the earth if they have to, and any measures to protect my privacy is a measure that has my vote.

[The Batman]

Since the question has been answered and this thread serves no other purpose than the OP getting pissed I shall lock it :locked: