Who's The Greatest Person In The History Of The World?

[ericboi]

I'd like people's ideas about who they think is the greatest person who ever lived. You have only one choice. Please give the reason for your selection. The only rules are that you can't pick yourself and the person cannot be a religious figure. Thanks :)

[Disco Jones]

I am. My opinion is the ultimate truth.

[Atonement]

Well, I would go with Jesus Christ, and if it wasn't so violent in context, I would support Mohammad as well.

Outside of them I'm a big fan of Leonardo da Vinci.

[ericboi]

Well, I would go with Jesus Christ, and if it wasn't so violent in context, I would support Mohammad as well.

Outside of them I'm a big fan of Leonardo da Vinci.

Da Vinci is fine but the first two are rumored to be religious figures. I didn't want religious figures in VTers answers because people outside their religions don't really care that much about them or what they may have done. Maybe my next question will be .... Who's the greatest religious figure? But not this one.

[Disco Jones]

You don't have to follow Jesus or Muhammad to appreciate the massive impact they had on the world.

[Atonement]

You don't have to follow Jesus or Muhammad to appreciate the massive impact they had on the world.

My thoughts exactly.

I'm Christian, but that's not why I chose Jesus. I chose Jesus because he's had such a profound influence on the world and completely recreated the history of the world.

[Sage]

I'll probably have to go with former Canadian prime minister Pierre Trudeau. Did a lot of great things for the country and, on a worldwide scale, played a key role in ending the Cold War.

[ericboi]

You don't have to follow Jesus or Muhammad to appreciate the massive impact they had on the world.

You can also say that more people died trying to prove that their religion is better than the other guy's than for any other reason.

[Disco Jones]

You could, but what the hell does that have to do with anything? Jesus and Muhammad are two of the most influential figures in western history and for that they can be considered "great", even if you don't believe in their spiritual significance.

[karl]

For me it's Alexander the Great the first great General. He conquered the known world and brought peace and stability.

[Raptor22]

Ronald Reagan

Imparted a resurgence in conservative social, political, and economic doctrine in the world leading to a successful economy and foreign policy. He was a class act and universally liked while president. He was a man of character and of his word.

[Watta Tem]

Bill Gates!!!

he invented Microsoft!!! which is really awesome! and useful!

[Severus Snape]

Gaius Octavius Thurinus, or, as we know him better, Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus, son of Julius Caesar and the first Emperor of Rome.

He brought peace and stability to what was at the time the largest empire on the planet and codified laws that are still used in courts today. He reversed 200 years of chaos in the course of his 41 year reign and recreated Rome into the thriving principate which lasted for the next 600.

[scuba steve]

Hitler

without him, there would have been no inspiration at that time for the likes of the UN, NATO or any further global obligation to rule out various war crimes in the modern world

[The Dark Lord]

Winston Churchill for saving the world from Hitler

[scuba steve]

Winston Churchill for saving the world from Hitler

true! without him Britain would have been under Axis control

[Severus Snape]

true! without him Britain would have been under Axis control

There's also that little country America to thank, I think they played a small role. Besides, Winston was half American. ;)

[Magus]

and if it wasn't so violent in context.

What do you mean by "violent in context"?

Plus, Mohammad hit the #1 influential man in history for several reasons. This was denoted by someone whose stature is beyond yours and mine.

[Malcolm Tucker]

I'd say Jesus. Or in the context of the Irish world, Eamonn DeVelara, Michael Collins, etc. etc.

[ericboi]

I'm not giving my choice for greatest person yet. But here's what the King George III of England said about George Washington after the Revolutionary War when told he would resign from the the US Army and wouldn't try to become King of America or some ruling position like that.

"If he does that, he will be the greatest man in the world."

[The Joker]

I'll probably have to go with former Canadian prime minister Pierre Trudeau. Did a lot of great things for the country and, on a worldwide scale, played a key role in ending the Cold War.

Probably this. The most influential Canadian I know of, not afraid to speak his mind.

Bill Gates!!!

he invented Microsoft!!! which is really awesome! and useful!


And crashes a lot. ;)

[Kohta]

At this moment two people I would vote for greatest person in the history of mankind would be Carl Sagan and John F Kennedy.

[Sage]

At this moment two people I would vote for greatest person in the history of mankind would be Carl Sagan and John F Kennedy.

Shit, I forgot. Sagan is fucking amazing, if not the biggest stoner ever.

[Justwondering]

Lady Gaga. I shouldn't have to explain because everyone should know why.. Enough said.

[Whisper]

I don't think there ever has been ONE great person in all of human history
We aren't that mundane of a species
Like seriously looking back historians can say many things about our past, boring isn't one of them.
There is no one singular person that outshines the rest.
Julius Cæsar
Plato
Leonardo Da Vinci
Galileo Galilei
Winston Churchill
Princess Diana
Neil Armstrong
Mother Teresa
Pierre Elliott Trudeau
Richard Dawkins
and all of the hundreds of millions of names i'm missing
as a people we've been shaped from the actions of those who came before us. There is no "one" influential individual




There's also that little country America to thank, I think they played a small role. Besides, Winston was half American. ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Iluminati/12751582149021.jpg
I think its the USSR that is owed a big thanks
yay Stalin LOL

[Sage]

Lady Gaga. I shouldn't have to explain because everyone should know why.. Enough said.

People like you are why I hate debating on VT.

[Sith Lord 13]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Iluminati/12751582149021.jpg
I think its the USSR that is owed a big thanks
yay Stalin LOL

Russia would have fallen or at least been fought to a stalemate had America not intervened. Once there was no western front, all of Hitler's forces would have converged on the east. Russia would not have withstood it.

/tangent

I'd say Jesus of Nazareth, not because of the church founded in his name, but for his philosophical contributions, which also inspired later philosophers, as well as his place as a social dissident and political revolutionary.

Other than him, J. Robert Oppenheimer, father of the Atomic Age and atomic bomb. He's part of reason the cold war was cold.

[Severus Snape]

Why Julius Caesar? Everything he did was completely self serving.

[MadManWithaBox]

Winston churchill.

[Justwondering]

People like you are why I hate debating on VT.

I was being serious. I didn't post a long explanation because It was late and I was in bed. When I get home, I will.

[Sage]

I'd say Jesus of Nazareth, not because of the church founded in his name, but for his philosophical contributions,
Jesus didn't come up with anything that people before him hadn't already thought of.

I was being serious.
My point exactly.

[Justwondering]

My point exactly.

So.. the reason you hate debating on Vt is because people have their own opinions then?

[Sage]

So.. the reason you hate debating on Vt is because people have their own opinions then?

Rather, because they (the opinions) are inherently moronic.

[The Dark Lord]

Lady Gaga. I shouldn't have to explain because everyone should know why.. Enough said.

Names like Mandela, Churchill, Da Vinci etc are being mentioned and you believe the greatest person in the history of the world is an eccentric singer?? How thick and sheltered are you?

[Justwondering]

Rather, because they (the opinions) are inherently moronic.

That's your opinion. I'm sure someone would say the same about you for thinking Pierre Trudeau. Everyone has their opinions, if you don't like mine... deal with it.

Names like Mandela, Churchill, Da Vinci etc are being mentioned and you believe the greatest person in the history of the world is an eccentric singer?? How thick and sheltered are you?

Again.. my opinion. Obvious troll is obvious and bashing people for their opinions makes you cool.

[Sage]

That's your opinion. I'm sure someone would say the same about you for thinking Pierre Trudeau.

The difference however being that the leader of a powerful first-world nation during a very unstable part of history could be argued to be the greatest where as a pop star who only got discovered a while ago and dresses strangely will make you look like an incredible idiot. But, go ahead, I'll await your in-depth explanation. I expect it will humor me greatly.

[The Dark Lord]

Again.. my opinion. Obvious troll is obvious and bashing people for their opinions makes you cool.[/QUOTE]

If you are incapable of drawing a clear distinction between Churchill and Lady Gaga, then you are simply too moronic to be trusted with the forum. It is insulting that you consider a pop star in the same bracket as the greatest leader the world has ever seen

[Justwondering]

The difference however being that the leader of a powerful first-world nation during a very unstable part of history could be argued to be the greatest where as a pop star who only got discovered a while ago and dresses strangely will make you look like an incredible idiot. But, go ahead, I'll await your in-depth explanation. I expect it will humor me greatly.

It humors me on how serious you're getting over someones opinion online. People see things differently, and everyone has an opinion.

If you are incapable of drawing a clear distinction between Churchill and Lady Gaga, then you are simply too moronic to be trusted with the forum. It is insulting that you consider a pop star in the same bracket as the greatest leader the world has ever seen

Yep, I'm moronic for having an opinion (: So stfu already? Everyone has their opinions, and what people define "great" as clearly varies. It depends on how you're looking at things and what those people have done/ are doing.

[The Dark Lord]

It humors me on how serious you're getting over someones opinion online. People see things differently, and everyone has an opinion.

It is beyond humour that you consider a couple of number one singles as a similar achievement to saving the world from Hitler and the Nazis. Could you please explain that with a straight face?

[scuba steve]

There's also that little country America to thank, I think they played a small role. Besides, Winston was half American. ;)

not really to keep them out of Britain, we just needed them to help with the final assault on the rest of Europe

[scuba steve]

I don't think there ever has been ONE great person in all of human history
We aren't that mundane of a species
Like seriously looking back historians can say many things about our past, boring isn't one of them.
There is no one singular person that outshines the rest.
Julius Cæsar
Plato
Leonardo Da Vinci
Galileo Galilei
Winston Churchill
Princess Diana
Neil Armstrong
Mother Teresa
Pierre Elliott Trudeau
Richard Dawkins
and all of the hundreds of millions of names i'm missing
as a people we've been shaped from the actions of those who came before us. There is no "one" influential individual





http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Iluminati/12751582149021.jpg
I think its the USSR that is owed a big thanks
yay Stalin LOL

why Princess Diana? lol

[Jess]

George Washington

Bill Gates

Wright Brothers

[The Joker]

Lady Gaga. I shouldn't have to explain because everyone should know why.. Enough said.

I bet you didn't even know who she was two years ago.

[Rainstorm]

I bet you didn't even know who she was two years ago.

And this couldn't be said about plenty of people?

Before Davinci outshone his Master/Teacher in Milan, did anyone really know who he was?

Before Hitler rose into some power after WWI, did anyone know who he was?

When Jesus Christ was first born, did anyone know who he was?

etc...

[CrazyGaga]

i think lady gaga!! cause she is prettii frickin awesome, a great singer and a walking fashion statement!! she goes against alot of modern day beliefs!! she is great!!

[The Dark Lord]

Yep, I'm moronic for having an opinion (: So stfu already? Everyone has their opinions, and what people define "great" as clearly varies. It depends on how you're looking at things and what those people have done/ are doing.

No defination of the word "great" could be used to describe Lady Gaga, she isn't even a great singer!. You say "what those people have done", you can't possibly be comparing a number 1 album with saving the world from fascism or changing attitudes to racial prejudice. You are so unbelievably thick, I can't put it into words. You are so ignorant that you defy belief. My advice to you would be to leave the forum and seek professional help

[The Dark Lord]

i think lady gaga!! cause she is prettii frickin awesome, a great singer and a walking fashion statement!! she goes against alot of modern day beliefs!! she is great!!

The fact that you spell pretty as "prettii" shows exactly why you consider Lady Gaga to be great

[Sage]

Yep, I'm moronic for having an opinion
No, you're moronic for having a moronic opinion.

Everyone has their opinions, and what people define "great" as clearly varies.
What do you define it as, Rob?

It depends on how you're looking at things and what those people have done/ are doing.
What has Lady Gaga done/is doing that makes her, by your definition, the greatest person in the history of the world?

she goes against alot of modern day beliefs!!
Such as?

[1_21Guns]

right guys cool it.
debates are built up of opinions.
so what if his is "stupid"
its his, i can imagine some people would beg to differ on some opinins you have on things.
so chill, this is a good question, so i'd rather it carried on without it being locked and anybody being infracted, kay?

[Sage]

debates are built up of opinions.


Not quite, debates are built up of opinions supported by facts. An opinion is the conclusion one reaches by examining and considering facts. "I think so and so is great" is meaningless in a debate. "I think so and so is great because they ____, _____, and _____" opens up discussion. Opinions are open to criticism. Facts are not.

I am asking him to explain why an eccentric popstar discovered hardly a year or two ago is greater than anyone in the history of the world, even giving the liberty of allowing him to use his own definition of what is "great".

[The Dark Lord]

right guys cool it.
debates are built up of opinions.
so what if his is "stupid"
its his, i can imagine some people would beg to differ on some opinins you have on things.
so chill, this is a good question, so i'd rather it carried on without it being locked and anybody being infracted, kay?

I think that is unfair, most people have posted geniune greats and someone is posting a singer its not quite the same, is it?

Debates are discussions of opinions based on facts, therefore it is obscene to compare Lady Gaga to Martin Lurther King or Winston Churchill

[Camazotz]

Norman Borlaug.

The Man Who Saved A Billion Lives. The Man Who Ended World Hunger.

Just two of his nicknames, Norman Borlaug created the world's first genetically modified crops to make them stronger, pest resistant, in greater quantity and quality, and healthier for the public. He pretty much saved Mexico from starvation during the 1950's and 1960's as well as some of South America, India, and Africa, in what is now considered the Green Revolution. Without him, the world population would only reach about 5 billion with natural crops. Without him, world hunger might be the major story you'd see on the news. He should be the most famous humanitarian to ever exist and probably contributed to the world in a way that no other person in history could have ever accomplished; he fed the world.

And you've probably never heard of him before this moment.

[1_21Guns]

bottom line, stop insulting. if it gets offensive. its not okay anymore. okay.

[Sage]

bottom line, stop insulting. if it gets offensive. its not okay anymore. okay.

Fair enough, but it is still ridiculous to use "it's my opinion" as an argument.

[1_21Guns]

Fair enough, but it is still ridiculous to use "it's my opinion" as an argument.

fair enough. however everyone is entitled to one.

[Justwondering]

People don't want to post their opinions and facts when all you guys are doing is ripping them apart for it. If calling people thick/moronic or whatever you can think of actually makes you feel better, than hats off to you for being "better" than someone that's online.

[Sage]

everyone is entitled to one.

No one is arguing the contrary.

People don't want to post their opinions and facts when all you guys are doing is ripping them apart for it.

That's the point of a debate forum. Present your ideas and argue the validity of others.

Regardless, this is a long drawn-out tangent. I'm still obscenely curious as to why Lady Gaga is so great, and your definition of greatness.

[MadManWithaBox]

Churchill saved the world, including the united states, from the nazis. Comparing him to lady gaga is riddiculous.

[Justwondering]

Present your ideas and argue the validity of others.

Exactly.. not bash people for their opinion which they are entitled to. When people are being trolls, you don't really want to.

[Sage]

Exactly.. not bash people for their opinion which they are entitled to.


I'm still obscenely curious as to why Lady Gaga is so great, and your definition of greatness.

I'm still waiting.

[The Dark Lord]

People don't want to post their opinions and facts when all you guys are doing is ripping them apart for it. If calling people thick/moronic or whatever you can think of actually makes you feel better, than hats off to you for being "better" than someone that's online.

There is no facts that you have, clearly Lady Gaga isn't great, just accept it

[Justwondering]

There is no facts that you have, clearly Lady Gaga isn't great, just accept it

L2Read?

.. not bash people for their opinion which they are entitled to. When people are being trolls, you don't really want to.

Maybe when you guys are not being @!^&[email protected]%!, I'll post something.

[Sage]

L2Read?

He said you've presented no facts. At the moment, this is true. You're still avoiding the question. What is your definition of "great" and by your definition, what makes Lady Gaga the greatest person in the history of the world?


Maybe when you guys are not being @!^&[email protected]%!, I'll post something.
Well until then, posting in this thread is pointless and borderline spam. I've answered the question asked by the thread, and given reasons for my answer. You've given none for yours, and I've asked you to clarify. Perhaps not in a very friendly manner, but as the moderator has stepped in, I have ceased bashing. Now, can you justify and clarify your opinion so that I and countless others do not instantly perceive it (note: I said it, the opinion, not you, the person) as rubbish?

[MadManWithaBox]

I agree with desi.

[deadpie]

L2Read?



Maybe when you guys are not being @!^&[email protected]%!, I'll post something.

I don't think people are trolling you, they're just being honest.

And you need to explain why you think Lady Gaga is important

[Justwondering]

right guys cool it.
debates are built up of opinions.
so what if his is "stupid"
its his, i can imagine some people would beg to differ on some opinins you have on things.
so chill, this is a good question, so i'd rather it carried on without it being locked and anybody being infracted, kay?

I agree with her.

Again.. Maybe when you guys are not being @!^&[email protected]%!, I'll post something.

[The Dark Lord]

L2Read?

i'm actually impressed by your ignorance. No matter what you say, Churchill and Lady Gaga are incomparable, regardless of how you define "great". I actually take offence that you consider a scenario where Britain stood alone, defenceless and helpless on the verge of surrender when Churchill announced "We will never surrender", Churchill has been widely credited with standing up to Hitler and preventing Hitler taking over the world, including America. I find it bizzare that you could possible compare him with a singer who has been famous for 2years

[MadManWithaBox]

So, the man who saves the world from the nazi tyrnany, and brings the light of freedom back to the world, and lady gaga. Yes, comparable.

[deadpie]

I agree with her.

Again..

The fact that you're quoting yourself over and over is getting really annoying and explains why everyone is angry at you.

Plus, no facts still. Or explanations at least.

[Sage]

So, the man who saves the world from the nazi tyrnany,

Not single-handedly, of course. :3

[MadManWithaBox]

Of course. fair to say he made the crucial contribution though.

[deadpie]

Nobody. Everyone that you think is good always seems to have some flaws.

That's all I can think of saying right now.

[scuba steve]

Queen Victoria - Empress of the British Empire an equivilant to 1/3 of the Earths land mass, and the leader of the Industrial revolution

[Sage]

Queen Victoria - Empress of the British Empire an equivilant to 1/3 of the Earths land mass, and the leader of the Industrial revolution

The very corrupt British Empire and the very destructive Industrial Revolution. Regardless, I don't think she is inherently the cause of all those, nor at fault for them.

[scuba steve]

The very corrupt British Empire and the very destructive Industrial Revolution. : P

it is still classed as "Great" towards the development of the modern world :)

[Sage]

it is still classed as "Great" towards the development of the modern world :)

See edited post.

[MadManWithaBox]

http://sanseverything.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/winston_churchill_01.jpg

[Sage]

http://sanseverything.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/winston_churchill_01.jpg

http://shadowwar.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/stalin.jpg

Equally important in ending WW2.

[scuba steve]

http://sanseverything.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/winston_churchill_01.jpg

Ahh Churchill, you do look like you belong in an Al Capone' led bank heist

[MadManWithaBox]

I disagree.

[Sage]

I disagree.

The Allies and the USSR were equally important in defeating Hitler. They attacked him on two fronts. If the USSR were the only ones fighting him, they'd have lost. If we were the only ones fighting him, we'd have lost. It's a two-pronged strike that divided the nazi forces and weakened Hitler's power.

[scuba steve]

true, but Stalin was generally public enemy no.1 thereafter along with Mao throughout the western world

[Sage]

true, but Stalin was generally public enemy no.1 thereafter along with Mao

Because we disliked the fact that certain countries wished to govern in non-capitalist, non-democratic ways.

[MadManWithaBox]

If england, and churchill, had fallen in 1940, the USSR would have lost the war. Part of the american extension of the lend lease program to the russians was the british establishment of the program initially, and their relationship with the americans. The war, and the future of the world, rested upon england, and churchill's shoulders. I don't deny stalin made a crucial contribution, just not as important as churchill. Speaking off that, he was also a mass murderer.

[Sage]

Speaking off that, he was also a mass murderer.

*shrug* I said he's important, but he is far from the greatest person ever in my view, to make things clear.

[scuba steve]

not really if Britain had of fallen then i would have imagined the british ranks would have fled and joined the US forces which would have led to mass strategic naval warfare throughout the Atlantic Ocean

[MadManWithaBox]

The british fleet, was at the time, the largest navy on the water. If england had fallen, the royal navy would have been britains only bargaining chip. Roosevelt wanted the british to guarantee that if they fell, they would send the navy to america, but churchill wouldn't fully agree to. Churchill certainly probably would of sent the fleet to the states. But if the germans invaded, or if they had bombed england to the ground, then churchill might probably been ousted from office, and replaced by someone willing to make a peace deal. part of that peace deal would have included the fleet. The same with france, which is why churchill ordered its neutralization not long after france fell.

[scuba steve]

the Royal Navy was actually highly damaged and had not really recovered from world war one, it was really only their reputation and bluffs that where keeping them going to compete with the Krauts

[Severus Snape]

not really to keep them out of Britain, we just needed them to help with the final assault on the rest of Europe

Lend-lease, ring a bell? Not to mention Britain would have been starved for every sort of essential supply had not the US been able to reach it.

[scuba steve]

Lend-lease, ring a bell? Not to mention Britain would have been starved for every sort of essential supply had not the US been able to reach it.

not every essential supply. We where doing just fine until the US decided to move its ass after several hundred years of blocking itself off from foreign affairs, granting all future members of the U.N security council some much needed support, dragging themselves into the war along with it.
at the time Britain had a very strong secondary business sector manufacturing what we needed, so we would have coped without.

[Eskimo]

Ludwig Van Beethoven, pure genius.

[CaliKid24]

Tupac

[Scarface]

Yeah I know someone great. Look in my signature picture and figure it out.

[ericboi]

So far nobody has mentioned Gandhi. He was responsible for freeing 1/2 billion people. He also established nonviolent political action as the most effective means to establish democracy.

[Sage]

Tupac

No. See everything I said to the guy who suggested Lady Gaga.

So far nobody has mentioned Gandhi. He was responsible for freeing 1/2 billion people. He also established nonviolent political action as the most effective means to establish democracy.

Some may consider him a religious figure.

[jimmycouch14]

my parents. without them i wouldn't be here.

[Sage]

my parents. without them i wouldn't be here. and have this big dick. LOL

Go back to P101.

[Whisper]

I left Gandhi out cause i don't like how he denied his wife penicillin on religious values which played a big role in her death then later on when he got sick he took a bunch.
That kinda irked me, I didn't forget about him
I simply ignored him lol

my parents. without them i wouldn't be here. and have this big dick. LOL

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Iluminati/epenis.jpg

[MadManWithaBox]

The royal navy was small. But the german navy was even smaller, and after the losses taken at the battle for norway, their invasion force would have compromised of barges, rafts, and lightly armoured cruisers. The royal navy would have destroyed it. And britain did need american help. with the losses taken in france, and the losses taken on merchant shipping, and the rate of weapon manufacture, they had the money to cover costs just until the end of 1940, then it would have been gone. without lend lease britain would have lost the war, or be forced into a peace.

[Sith Lord 13]

Jesus didn't come up with anything that people before him hadn't already thought of.


Not entirely true, and he also brought together several concepts that were previously separated, and tied them together. His method of teaching these philosophical beliefs also made them easily available to the masses.

[The Dark Lord]

The Allies and the USSR were equally important in defeating Hitler. They attacked him on two fronts. If the USSR were the only ones fighting him, they'd have lost. If we were the only ones fighting him, we'd have lost. It's a two-pronged strike that divided the nazi forces and weakened Hitler's power.

Not really, from 1933 onwards Churchill spoke out against Hitler, whereas Stalin agreed to divide Europe up betweeen them. Although without the Eastern front, then yes Hitler would have conquered the world

[Malcolm Tucker]

In addition to my earlier submissions, I've also decided to mention people from the Scientific community. Henri Becquerel, Marie and Pierre Curie, Sir Isaac Newton, Stephen Hawking, Albert Einstein, Paul Dirac, and so on.

[Sage]

In addition to my earlier submissions, I've also decided to mention people from the Scientific community. Henri Becquerel, Marie and Pierre Curie, Sir Isaac Newton, Stephen Hawking, Albert Einstein, Paul Dirac, and so on.

As far as scientists go I'll have to stick with good ol' Carl Sagan.

[Obscene Eyedeas]

One must remember that all achievements of modern science had been around for thousands of years. Originally thought of by the romans and greeks only to be dismissed and now rediscovered by scientists as *breakthroughs*

[Sage]

One must remember that all achievements of modern science had been around for thousands of years. Originally thought of by the romans and greeks only to be dismissed and now rediscovered by scientists as *breakthroughs*

The Romans' rival empire of Carthage to the south had multi-story apartment buildings and running water.

[Obscene Eyedeas]

yes i know all about them tim but i talk about the likes of the new theories of entanglement that everyone seems to forget was actually around thousands of years ago

[Sage]

yes i know all about them tim but i talk about the likes of the new theories of entanglement that everyone seems to forget was actually around thousands of years ago

Library of Alexandria and all that?

[Dive to Survive]

Ronald Reagan

Imparted a resurgence in conservative social, political, and economic doctrine in the world leading to a successful economy and foreign policy. He was a class act and universally liked while president. He was a man of character and of his word.

That is exactly what I say! I agree completely!

[Rainstorm]

Augustus Caesar Because he brought a Republic in War to an orderly Empire that thus led to many technological advances that even we use today.

[Sith Lord 13]

The Romans' rival empire of Carthage to the south had multi-story apartment buildings and running water.

As did Rome.

[CrazyGaga]

my definition of greatness is someone that inspires and has originality. Lady Gaga does and is those things. She applauds difference and fights for sexuality equality. She challenges the idea that everyone has to follow fashion trends and be the same to 'fit in'. so if that isnt a good enough reason to support MY opinion than, i really couldnt care less what you think.

[Sage]

my definition of greatness is someone that inspires and has originality. Lady Gaga does and is those things.
"Greatest Person In The History Of The World". Other people have done it before and better than her.

She applauds difference and fights for sexuality equality.
Go look up Harvey Milk.

She challenges the idea that everyone has to follow fashion trends and be the same to 'fit in'.
Somehow this always seems to be an issue that only teenagers care about.

so if that isnt a good enough reason to support MY opinion than, i really couldnt care less what you think.
The feelings are mutual.

[The Dark Lord]

my definition of greatness is someone that inspires and has originality. Lady Gaga does and is those things. She applauds difference and fights for sexuality equality. She challenges the idea that everyone has to follow fashion trends and be the same to 'fit in'. so if that isnt a good enough reason to support MY opinion than, i really couldnt care less what you think.

Lady Gaga is far from inspirational. She doesn't fight for sexuality equality and she isn't great.

Your reasons aren't good enough to support your opinion, which is completely simplistic and moronic, read a history book or go on wikipedia and find someone geniunely great

[scuba steve]

my definition of greatness is someone that inspires and has originality. Lady Gaga does and is those things. She applauds difference and fights for sexuality equality. She challenges the idea that everyone has to follow fashion trends and be the same to 'fit in'. so if that isnt a good enough reason to support MY opinion than, i really couldnt care less what you think.

all she is, is the modern day Madonna who gives a shit about her

[Justwondering]

Lady Gaga is far from inspirational. She doesn't fight for sexuality equality and she isn't great.

Lol, do your research.. She actually DOES fight for sexuality equality.

Your reasons aren't good enough to support your opinion, which is completely simplistic and moronic, read a history book or go on wikipedia and find someone geniunely great

Opinion: "A personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty", so his opinion isn't moronic or simplistic.. and the fact that you rely on Wikipedia for your information is sad. An opinion is an opinion that you nor anyone can change, deal with it. I won't reply to your bashing, so if you feel like being civil, I'll think about talking.

all she is, is the modern day Madonna who gives a shit about her

Clearly a lot of people, look where she is at.

[Magus]

and the fact that you rely on Wikipedia for your information is sad.

Not really. Whatever present in Wikipedia are nothing but paraphrased articles. Whatever information present is also cited i.e the original source. You can go for the referenced site or just stick to the simplistic Wikipedia, either way you are good to go. Wikipedia is a good place to build a basic foundation on everything you need to know about. Note that, it is an internet 'free' encyclopedia.

[The Dark Lord]

[QUOTE=Justwondering;908530]Lol, do your research.. She actually DOES fight for sexuality equality.



Opinion: "A personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty", so his opinion isn't moronic or simplistic.. and the fact that you rely on Wikipedia for your information is sad. An opinion is an opinion that you nor anyone can change, deal with it. I won't reply to your bashing, so if you feel like being civil, I'll think about talking. QUOTE]


I don't rely on Wikipedia for my information, if you had read my post I was telling you to research wikipedia to find somebody of geniune greatness. Lady Gaga is not, you cannot get away from that. Using your logic anyone who fights for equality is great, making Harriet Harman (who you will not know due to your level of ignorance) great. Great for me suggests someone who geniunely changed the world, not a very average pop star who has had a couple of number ones.

I will try and say this next bit without sounding patronising, but then you might get the false impression that I actually respect you: Lady Gaga is not great, please come back when you have a geniune great name to debate, otherwise this discussion is pointless due to your level of ignorance

[Severus Snape]

Augustus Caesar Because he brought a Republic in War to an orderly Empire that thus led to many technological advances that even we use today.

Technology under Augustus didn't see any dramatic advances, no more so than previous centuries or centuries after.

[MadManWithaBox]

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion that lady Gaga is the greatest person that ever lived. I disagree with that opinion. Compared to those mentioned, Stalin, churchill, kennedy, obama, whatever, she is not, in my opinion, comparable.

[Obscene Eyedeas]

Lady Gaga has done nothing to truly qualify her as the greatest person in the world imo, any point one brings forward has already been accomplished by others and ill get you the sources of knowledge later tim lol. too lazy right now

[Kaius]

Guys everyone is entitled to their own opinions please keep the disrespectful comments to yourselves.

[Sage]

Guys everyone is entitled to their own opinions
The second time I must remind a staff member that no one is saying people aren't entitled to their opinions. Everyone is. On the other hand, while people deserve respect, opinions, mere ideas, do not. If one takes personal offense to a comment I express on their opinion, it is their fault, not mine.

[Justwondering]

Using your logic anyone who fights for equality is great

She applauds difference and fights for sexuality equality.

If you could properly read, you will see that it wasn't MY logic. I was just stating that she does in fact support and fight for sexual equality. I still haven't stated my logic, because clearly I have seen what you guys are like and don't want to get bashed and made fun of even more. However, I have sent what I have saved to a few people that are more respectful.

I will try and say this next bit without sounding patronising, but then you might get the false impression that I actually respect you: Lady Gaga is not great, please come back when you have a geniune great name to debate, otherwise this discussion is pointless due to your level of ignorance

I'm just curious.. are you so full of yourself that you look down on others and feel that your opinion is superior naturally.. or are you just not aware of how insulting you are? People are entitled to their opinion. It's a right. Telling someone to leave a forum because of their opinion? I don't think so.. If you don't like it, then ignore it.

[Cloud]

I'm just curious.. are you so full of yourself that you look down on others and feel that your opinion is superior naturally.. or are you just not aware of how insulting you are? People are entitled to their opinion. It's a right. Telling someone to leave a forum because of their opinion? I don't think so.. If you don't like it, then ignore it.

Erm buddy, from what im seeing your the closest one to bashing, and if you read properly youd see he didnt tell anyone to leave the forum
now can we cool it off a bit and stop going at each others throats?

[Justwondering]

Erm buddy, from what im seeing your the closest one to bashing, and if you read properly youd see he didnt tell anyone to leave the forum
now can we cool it off a bit and stop going at each others throats?

You are so unbelievably thick, I can't put it into words. You are so ignorant that you defy belief. My advice to you would be to leave the forum and seek professional help

Sorry?

[Cloud]

my mistake hadnt noticed that one
but please read up

Guys everyone is entitled to their own opinions please keep the disrespectful comments to yourselves.

so for a final time
back on topic, stop argueing about each other and get back onto the discussiion at hand

[The Batman]

This entire debate is centered around opinions and personal beliefs, so if someone brings up Lady Gaga or Tupac they aren't wrong because that's what they believe. You have just as much of a right to disagree with it and explain why as they do to say to state it in the first place. However, borderline bashing, insulting, and trolling them because of it is not what we're going to do. Also, just because you feel someone has done that to you it's not reason to strike back. You report the post and move on. So final warning to everyone, anything else I or any other mod perceives as bashing, insulting, or trolling and this thread will be locked and the person infracted. So carry on.

[MadManWithaBox]

I find myself agreeing with desi again. The idea that everyone is entitled to an opinion is correct. The idea that everyones opinion has to be respected is not.

[Iron Man]

I would have to say Oskar Schindler because of all of the lives he saved while giving the Nazis dummy weapons.

[Iron Man]

my parents. without them i wouldn't be here. and have this big dick. LOL
I love how mature people are.

[Sage]

@Justwondering: I'm going to ask one more time because you keep ignoring my question. Everyone can have an opinion, but without giving reason for an opinion in a debate forum, you're going to naturally receive a lot of flak. Now,

What is your definition of great, and by your definition, what makes Lady Gaga better than everyone else in the history of the world?

[Aves]

Elmo
/thread

[mrmcdonaldduck]

greatest person in the world? i would probably say Chritsopher Columbus. He discovered America, and without america the world would be a different place, probably better off but still very different.

[The Dark Lord]

If you could properly read, you will see that it wasn't MY logic. I was just stating that she does in fact support and fight for sexual equality. I still haven't stated my logic, because clearly I have seen what you guys are like and don't want to get bashed and made fun of even more. However, I have sent what I have saved to a few people that are more respectful.



I'm just curious.. are you so full of yourself that you look down on others and feel that your opinion is superior naturally.. or are you just not aware of how insulting you are? People are entitled to their opinion. It's a right. Telling someone to leave a forum because of their opinion? I don't think so.. If you don't like it, then ignore it.

For the last time, could you please explain why you consider Lady Gaga greater than Churchill. The reason you haven't stated your logic is because you haven't got any logic. Also you try to threaten me by sending this conversation to more respectful people, what do expect the outcome to be? Me to start agreeing with you? Actually you are right! Who cares if we are ruled by brutal fascist dictators so long as we have really good singers with an eccentric dress sense! btw of course my opinion is superior, if you tried to argue that Lady Gaga is greater than Churchill then everyone would laugh at you, much like we are doing to you just now actually.

[Camazotz]

greatest person in the world? i would probably say Chritsopher Columbus. He discovered America, and without america the world would be a different place, probably better off but still very different.

I agree that Columbus was undoubtedly important to the formation of modern society, but I wouldn't feel right saying that the man who caused the genocide of hundreds of thousands of Native Americans is the Greatest Person in History.

[ericboi]

Abraham Lincoln gets my vote for two reasons. First, he freed the slaves in the USA. The lives of millions of former slaves and their descendants became livable. American democracy would have been a huge lie if it continued to exist. He made America actually live up to the Declaration of Independence. Second, he led the Union to victory in the Civil War as President. If someone else was president the Union would have lost the war or at least the Confederates would have been allowed to start their own country. If not for Lincoln, the USA would not have been an example of democratic self-government to other countries and inspiration to freedom fighters in the years that followed. Also, the USA would have been much less powerful and less able to come to the aid of France, England and Russia in WW1 and WW2. Churchill, as great as he was, would not have had a powerful ally to join him and save his country. WW2 would have been lost for Great Britain. The world would be much different than now and much, much worse if not for Lincoln. HE"S DA MAN!!!

[janthem]

I say Jesus was! and yes I am very religious so please dont put me down for my opinion

[Sith Lord 13]

I'd like people's ideas about who they think is the greatest person who ever lived. You have only one choice. Please give the reason for your selection. The only rules are that you can't pick yourself and the person cannot be a religious figure. Thanks :)

I say Jesus was! n yes I am bery religious so please dont put me down for my opinion

I'm not gonna put you down for your opinion, but I am gonna point out that selecting a religious figure is against the rules of this thread.

[Jess]

hm I think my mom is one of the greatest person on earth. my opinion

[Sage]

hm I think my mom is one of the greatest person on earth. my opinion

Why?

[janthem]

if it cant be religious then Id have to say my grandmother( on my mom side)

[Sith Lord 13]

if it cant be religious then Id have to say my grandmother( on my mom side)

Why?

[SneakBrain]

Gandhi and Muhammad. Gandhi seek freedom in south Africa and India. Muhammad because he was an amazing person that had a lot of affects at the world until today

[Sith Lord 13]

Gandhi and Muhammad. Gandhi seek freedom in south Africa and India. Muhammad because he was an amazing person that had a lot of affects at the world until today

Gahndi, I understand.

Muhammad, however, could you go into a little more detail on your justification? Remember, this thread is about secular figures. If you want to talk about the things Muhammad accomplished outside of Islam, please do.

[Clawhammer]

In my opinion there are many great men and women, few of which are remembered in history. It is impossible for me to choose.

[The Dark Lord]

hm I think my mom is one of the greatest person on earth. my opinion

What a pointless post, clearly your mum isn't the greatest person in the history of the world

[MadManWithaBox]

Just to re-affirm my point

http://www.riveredgeschools.org/Sites/ww2/Churchill.jpg

[The Dark Lord]

Just to re-affirm my point

http://www.riveredgeschools.org/Sites/ww2/Churchill.jpg

What exactly is your point?

[Sage]

What exactly is your point?

Winston Churchill.

[MadManWithaBox]

Is the greatest person who ever lived. Not only that, he sticks up two fingers at anyone saying their mum is their greatest person who ever lived cos of their penis size. He is win.

[Sith Lord 13]

Is the greatest person who ever lived. Not only that, he sticks up two fingers at anyone saying their mum is their greatest person who ever lived cos of their penis size. He is win.

He is. He also would have lost if it weren't for the US.

[Sage]

He is. He also would have lost if it weren't for the US.

Would've been nice if the cavalry showed up a little sooner.

[MadManWithaBox]

The US only turned up cos of pearl habour. Hitler declared war on them, not the other way round.

[Sith Lord 13]

The US only turned up cos of pearl habour. Hitler declared war on them, not the other way round.

Hitler didn't. Japan did, and Hitler was pissed about it. US would most likely have entered the war, even without Pearl Harbor, but it might have been too little too late.

[MadManWithaBox]

Mst major historians agree, the US would not have declared war till it was too late. And hitler declared war on the US two days after pearl harbour.

[Sith Lord 13]

Because the US declared war on Japan. He didn't really have a choice. He agreed with what those historians now think.

[MadManWithaBox]

There's evidence the germans were already setting up intelligence operations in the united states, and sinking US navy ships while they were escorting royal navy convoys across the atlantic. Which would mean hitler was already on the brink of declaring war when the japanese attacked.

[Camazotz]

Gandhi and Muhammad. Gandhi seek freedom in south Africa and India. Muhammad because he was an amazing person that had a lot of affects at the world until today

The only problem I have with Gandhi is his pure hatred of Africans. He was clearly a racist. He also slept with young women. Sure, he was crucial in the independence of India, but someone with such qualities would prevent him as being the "greatest person in history" for me because there are so many more people that have lesser flaws.

[scuba steve]

There's evidence the germans were already setting up intelligence operations in the united states, and sinking US navy ships while they were escorting royal navy convoys across the atlantic. Which would mean hitler was already on the brink of declaring war when the japanese attacked.

true, i think the major event that the US seen as an act of war was when the Nazis sunk a large US passenger liner in the Atlantic. (remember that the only reason the US involved itself in global offers is when they where attacked by the Nazis and the Japanease Imperials.)

[Continuum]

The only problem I have with Gandhi is his pure hatred of Africans. He was clearly a racist. He also slept with young women. Sure, he was crucial in the independence of India, but someone with such qualities would prevent him as being the "greatest person in history" for me because there are so many more people that have lesser flaws.

Source? Haven't heard about that in history. Sounds ironic that a sympathetic man judges by race.

[CantBeTamed]

Originally Posted by Raptor22 View Post
Ronald Reagan

Imparted a resurgence in conservative social, political, and economic doctrine in the world leading to a successful economy and foreign policy. He was a class act and universally liked while president. He was a man of character and of his word.
TOTALLY AGREE Hes Our Towns Hometown Hero I Live In The Town He Grew Up In I Volunteered At His Boyhood Home

[MadManWithaBox]

true, i think the major event that the US seen as an act of war was when the Nazis sunk a large US passenger liner in the Atlantic. (remember that the only reason the US involved itself in global offers is when they where attacked by the Nazis and the Japanease Imperials.)


Well their were more factors than that(that was first world war i think, the listunia I think(might have spelt that wrong) )

Well you see the U boat crews were under orders not to attack neutral merchant or navy ships, but for a u boat from a distance it was hard to tell. After 1940, once the lend lease has been initiated the US used their own destroyers to shepard british convoys once they got to a certain point in the atlantic, and so the germans thought it was fair game. The us also imposed an oil and trade embargo on the japanese, in the hope of stemming the tide of japanese hostilities, as the japanese were at war with china at the time, and their were US air force pilots fighting with the japanese. Even if pearl harbour hadn't happened, war was inevitable. The US was far from true neutral, it was, in Roosevelt's own words, the Arsenal of democracy. Pearl harbour was the best thing to happen cos it enabled Roosevelt to take a united america to war, in hatred of the japanese of the germans(the germans to a lesser extent)

[Camazotz]

Source? Haven't heard about that in history. Sounds ironic that a sympathetic man judges by race.

http://www.trinicenter.com/WorldNews/ghandi4.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoPZnwJkFkU

If you're not satisfied with my sources, feel free to do your own research. Gandhi's own grandson admitted to him being a racist. Why? "Because times were different." Quite frankly, I don't care what year it is, being a racist hurts one's chances at being proclaimed, "Greatest Person in History."

[quartermaster]

There's evidence the germans were already setting up intelligence operations in the united states, and sinking US navy ships while they were escorting royal navy convoys across the atlantic. Which would mean hitler was already on the brink of declaring war when the japanese attacked.

Evidence? We have more than just "evidence," it is now fairly established fact. The United States and Nazi Germany were waging a defacto naval war in the North Atlantic far before Hitler declared war. The USS Reuben James, the first U.S. ship lost to hostile fire in World War II, was sunk in 1939, two years before the official declaration of war.

Moreover, it is a fair argument to say that the Soviet Union was, hands down, the largest driving force at defeating Nazi Germany; certainly more than Great Britain and the U.S. (though it should be emphasized, the U.S. did help tremendously in supplying the USSR). The USSR had already thoroughly defeated Nazi Germany's Army Group South (Army Groups A,B and C) by 1943 (the victories at Stalingrad and Kursk, though extremely costly for the USSR, were much more costly for Germany). Essentially, contrary to popular rhetoric, the Soviet Union had stopped the German offensive and was chasing them out of Soviet territory BEFORE the so-called "necessary" second front was even opened. That is to say, that before D-Day, Nazi Germany had already ceased to be a threat to Stalin and the Soviets.

In fact, a major reason the U.S. and Britain wanted to quickly open a second front was NOT to alleviate the burden on the Soviet Union, but it was to ensure that the USSR did not engulf all of Europe. The German army, in the grand scheme of the post-1943 war , had ceased to be a real threat to the Western Allies, but it was merely an obstacle to be overcome in order to stop the Soviets from taking all of Germany. The Western Allies saw it imperative that they retake France and the low countries quickly, so that they may enter Germany by the end of the year and stop the Soviet advance (it, of course, took a bit longer than that original time line).

By June, 1944, the European war had turned into a race for territory accumulation, the German army was simply “in the way.”

Even despite the fact that the Soviets carried so much weight in World War II, my main question is, so what? What made the USSR any better than Nazi Germany? Why do people hail Stalin for stopping the Nazis, when he was just as crazy and power hungry? His victory over Hitler was no victory the Western powers should be proud of! And we certainly should not be applauding one psychotic dictator for eliminating another delusional psychotic dictator, as he was just eliminating the competition!


Because we disliked the fact that certain countries wished to govern in non-capitalist, non-democratic ways.

This answer, from anyone else, I can let pass, but from you, it is unacceptable. Saying that democracy and capitalism were the main reasons for our dislike is easy, it's too easy and it's above all, lazy history. The Western Allies could have cared less, fundamentally, if a country was not democratic or capitalist. Granted, they loved and continue to love rhetoric, but it was all show; as long as the country played by the Western Allies’ rules and were not seen as a threat, the West usually turned a blind eye. The main reason they opposed the USSR was actually quite simple, it was simply a matter of the balance of power. The Western Allies feared Soviet power and thus began working, even before World War II, to neutralize that power; that was part of the reason that they allowed Hitler and Nazi Germany to rearm, as to serve as a counter-balance to the growing Soviet threat. Really, the reason for disliking the Soviet Union or even Nazi Germany was not all that political, in scope, it was more business: geopolitical power-plays.

[Awesome]

Hello?! Michael Jackson and Elvis!!!

[tpzy94]

Definatley Jesus

[The Dark Lord]

Definatley Jesus

Why?

[Sage]

Definatley Jesus

Did you not read the first post in this thread? No religious figures. This isn't a religious debate.

[Skeln]

Um...what about Gutenburg? He invented the printing press. Without that, we wouldn't have hardly any books (only hand-written ones), and yeah alot of the things we do in daily lives has been made alot easier by that invention. Without iot, say goodbye to textbooks, maps, manuals, schematics (I probably spelled that wrong) and a whole lot of other things. Without the printing press, hardly any of us would have an education even close to what we have now.

Although the Chinese were the first to develope letter blocks, they only used them one at a time. Gutenberg took that invention and made writing a more efficient process. Before it could take years to write a book.

[MyNameIsJack]

asdfasdfa

[Ryhanna]

I'm going to say Michael Jackson. He may have had a screwed up life, but he really stepped the music industry up. He also did a lot with his messages of peave and love... :)

[Shortkid]

I'd say whoever the guy was that invented air conditioning. That was a seriously good idea!

[Death]

Definatley Jesus

Now why does the fact that you've posted something as pointless (since we're not supposed to be discussing figures who people don't even believe are real all the time or think that they are not who some believe them to be) as this not surprise me?

As for me, I think that the best porson is Charles Darwin for his sublime work on The Origin of Species. Without him, we may still be ingorant about the natural world and may not have benefitted from it (such as medicines and so on).

[Paladino]

William Wallace because he fought for Scotlands independance and not to be ruled by the English anymore, if you have ever seen Braveheart or learned about scottish history you will know what I mean.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Sitting Bull, because he was able to lead his band of horsemen against a greater and far superior enemy in LT George Armstrong Custer in the battle of little big horn. He was a man of good will, and a great leader.

[Joey15]

Wayne Gretzky

[Dog Desab]

Ted Giesel, look him up and you'll find out

[Insanity Fair]

Now why does the fact that you've posted something as pointless (since we're not supposed to be discussing figures who people don't even believe are real all the time or think that they are not who some believe them to be) as this not surprise me?

As for me, I think that the best porson is Charles Darwin for his sublime work on The Origin of Species. Without him, we may still be ingorant about the natural world and may not have benefitted from it (such as medicines and so on).

There's no way you can deny his existence considering his presence is as deeply left upon society as Caesar. You can deny his ressurection, miracles, the truth to his teachings, but you can't deny his existence.

[CuriousZach]

KATY PERRY, man she's hot.

[NeverTooLate]

the person who made tv..

[chazzrox2]

No religious figures. This isn't a religious debate.

What if you take the idea that Jesus was a revolutionary figure?
Instead of throwing him into the band-wagon of religion just look at similaer things in modern (ish) revolutionaries.

Perhaps Jesus was a genius, use religion to brainwash millions! A brilliant political strategist? Hitler did it, Tsars of Russia did it, the Roman Catholic Church used it to control millions across Europe for millenia.

Perhaps this is why Lenin (tried) to follow a policy of Atheism, to "free" the masses from a vice-grip of religion, before he died. A modern view of this is Stalin using a cult of personality in place of organised religion.

Perhaps Jesus of Nazereth is not the Greatest Person in world history but he is definitely in with the contender for: Who significantly effected the course of events of the world.

All sources are own research following two years of A-level studying :)

[Sage]

What if you take the idea that Jesus was a revolutionary figure?[/SIZE]

Then I'd say his revolution sucks and hasn't done a lot more bad than good for the world and course of history.

[Sith Lord 13]

Then I'd say his revolution sucks and hasn't done a lot more bad than good for the world and course of history.

That doesn't make him not the greatest person in the world. To be great one need not be good. Hitler is a valid contender for this title as well.

[Death]

There's no way you can deny his existence considering his presence is as deeply left upon society as Caesar. You can deny his ressurection, miracles, the truth to his teachings, but you can't deny his existence.

I didn't deny his existance, but I don't think that a figure that is worshipped only in a specific religion should be brought up here.

[Magus]

I didn't deny his existance, but I don't think that a figure that is worshipped only in a specific religion should be brought up here.

Why shouldn't we? I can bring up Pharaoh Akhenaton and or Caesar Augustus. Both which were great leaders, yet they are figures that are worshiped only in a specific religion.

[Death]

Why shouldn't we?

Because that was specified in this topic.

[Sith Lord 13]

Because that was specified in this topic.

And what about making the distinction between the religious and historical figures?

Also, in some religions, all humans are worshiped and seen as religious figures, so that rule doesn't really work.

[Death]

Maybe that question would be better put to ericboi since he's the one who specified it.

[ericboi]

When I started this thread I exempted religious figures because I was afraid that people would select them based on faith rather than indisputable facts and logic. Faith doesn't have to based on facts or logic. It's just what people choose to believe. That's fine for them. However, I wanted to hear what people had to say without faith being the reason for their choice.

[ThereforeIam042]

Here is Jesus by fact,try to view Jesus as Jesus not as his followers,Jesus as himself was a great philosopher and a brilliant man,if everyone were to follow the teachings of Jesus the world would be a beautiful place,a lot of times people say they don't like Jesus when they really don't like Christians,Jesus as Jesus with a doctrine of altruism and unconditional love is a great man.

[Death]

Problem is, many people would say the opposite about Jesus because he pretended to be the Son of God and started a new cult to worship him. So it can really be argued both ways.

[Sith Lord 13]

Problem is, many people would say the opposite about Jesus because he pretended to be the Son of God and started a new cult to worship him. So it can really be argued both ways.

But don't both lead to the conclusion that he was great? Great in good or great in evil, but either way he was great.

[Death]

You know, I've never thought of it that way. It's just that a lot of the time, people interpret "great" as meaning "good".

[Sage]

Here is Jesus by fact,try to view Jesus as Jesus not as his followers,Jesus as himself was a great philosopher and a brilliant man,if everyone were to follow the teachings of Jesus the world would be a beautiful place,a lot of times people say they don't like Jesus when they really don't like Christians,Jesus as Jesus with a doctrine of altruism and unconditional love is a great man.

And all these ideas were presented well before (centuries!) Jesus repeated them.

[biboy96]

Zhang Fei

[Sage]

Zhang Fei

Why?

[biboy96]

Well, I don't say he's the one that has affected history the most, I only say greatest.
Why Is he the greatest?
Unwavering Loyality, 'till the very end. Killed by his own men.

Also: for greatest mind in history, i'd say Zhuge Liang.

[darkwoon]

Gandhi. He's the perfect example showing the power of peace at all levels, with himself and with the world. Probably one of the most important theologians, philosopher, political leader ever seen in human history. In particular, I found his criticism of the Western Civilization rather prophetic in regard to our current situation.

[ThereforeIam042]

I acknoledge those ideals were out there but none of the people who presented them could be acknowledged as nearly as great as Jesus,a household name over a great part of history, I'm some cases he also presented the concepts in a very different way, the concept of do not do to others what you do not want done to you was well established but Jesus took it to a whole new level with do to others what you would have them do to you,I think the later is far superior to the former

[Blood]

Hitler.