Gun Control

[cmpcmp]

-second amendment
-personal saftey
-the power of ppl to over throw their government/deffend it in war
-personal protection

Please dont use ill researched facts
IF you want to talk about a country with low crime and lots of gun control (japan)
Please take in to account other countries with low crime and lots of guns (switzerland)

[redcar]

may i make a point about Switzerland, they have low crime and wouldnt have incidents of using guns because the majority of them are trained very well to use guns. Switzerland have a militia and therefore most Swiss males undergo army training and know how to use a firearm and use it properly. they also hang on to their weapon until their service is done which is about the age of 42 i believe.

now i am going to use the example of my country, Ireland. we have very tight gun control, basically the only people that are allowed to use a gun (like a handgun) are, the army, the police (only the armed unit and detectives are allowed carry firearms in the police). when a private citien wants to buy a gun (shotgun) they generally have to be a farmer, so as to protect their land from foxes et cetra.

now because we have a good gun control we also have very low rates of crime. i believe that if everyone has guns and dont know how to use them then people will inevitably get killed.

[Bobby]

We should only allow guns into trained officials. You hear way to many storys of "kid finding gun, and shooting him self or a friend on accient" That's horrible, I say guns should be only give to police, and other trained officials. We need gun control.

[cmpcmp]

I think that you hit the nail on the head, Swiss crime/murder/burglary is very low and has alot of guns, Is this because they have guns and guns deter the crime, while maybe criminals are scared of being shot, thats part of it. but the real reason is that swiss culture is against crime. As with Japan, no guns at all, vert low crime rate. I would argue (after considerable research) that it is because
-the family structure is held very closly in japan
-police personaly know the ppl in the area they are incharge of,
-police can walk into houses w/o warents and such
A side effect of this closly knit structure where criminals can't last and are very rare, is suicide. Ppl's familys is japan expect success and if some one is in a family that has been samed they will often comit suicide as an acceptable way to save face.
-The same is true for the suicide rate of switserland, it is also about the same as japan.

This point can clearly be shown by large cities vs. small towns

Washington D.C. is one of the most densly populated, poor, and under educated area, in america. All of the statistics will point to that. But they have the strictest gun control laws in america, along with the highest murder rate in america.
from nationmaster.com (a site that provides only statistics and no opinions you should check it out, not only crime, education, food, ect...)
-(maryland is the state, DC is a district in the state that has special status as it is the capital of the USA, so it is treated similar ot a state)
#1 District of Columbia 3.597 per 10,000 murder rate
#2 Louisiana 1.269 per 10,000 people
#3 Maryland 0.93 per 10,000 people
#4 New Mexico 0.876 per 10,000 people
#5 Mississippi 0.777 per 10,000 people
http://www.stategunlaws.org/viewstate.php?st=MD

The brady campaign is the largest and most influential american gun legislation to have taken place in recent years (they banned asualt weapons wgich didn't affect crime) and it ran out in 2004 and no crime spike.

-DC has banned all handgun ownership and form the brady campaign web site has gotten an A- in gun laws.
(dc isn't on the web site though it is an option on the scroll menu it says it isn't in the data base so I will use maylands #'s (the state DC is in) for it (maryland is #2 nationaly behind DC))
-louisiana has very lax gunlaws and got an "F" according to the brady campaign web site
-new mexico also has lax gun laws and got an "F"
-mississippi also got an "F"

This would look about even if you were to take into account that DC is 3.9 and the closest state to that is louisiana with 1.26, thats less than half.

now lets check out the bottom of the spectrum
#40 Rhode Island 0.242 per 10,000 people murders
#41 South Dakota 0.232 per 10,000 people
#42 Nebraska 0.227 per 10,000 people
#43 Minnesota 0.22 per 10,000 people
#44 Wyoming 0.216 per 10,000 people
#45 Idaho 0.21 per 10,000 people
#46 Delaware 0.202 per 10,000 people
#47 Utah 0.186 per 10,000 people
#48 Iowa 0.155 per 10,000 people
#49 North Dakota 0.141 per 10,000 people
#50 New Hampshire 0.137 per 10,000 people
#51 Maine 0.136 per 10,000 people


(il go by # to identify state and letter grade for the brady rating "A+" =most gun laws "F" = least)
#41 D
#42 D
#43 C-
#44 F
#45 F+
#46 C
#47 D-
#48 C+
#49 D
#50 D-

I see no consistent data at all of gun laws to murder rate.Do you

How about this though this is from nationmaster.com and is the "Best education index"
remember our friends from the top of the crime stats? while most of them happen to be on the bottom of the education stats also
#45 Louisiana -11.56
#46 California -12.57
#47 Nevada -13.11
#48 New Mexico -13.37
#49 Mississippi -14.31
#50 Arizona -17.81

From all of the information I have seen I haven't been able to make a good conection between murder rate and gun controll. BUT there is a strong connection between culture and murder. Things like education and poverty have alot to do with it.

[Nexdeus]

ok one problemb with the lets only let trained officals and cops have guns them to groups arent full of preist's and saints that would also put civillians at risks


though the should really get in gear and revise the standereds of gun background checks

[Whisper]

the gun control laws in Canada turned out to be a financial blackhole it was supposed to cost like a few million it came close if not over a billion

Fuckin liberals

the conservatives are getting rid of it
and there doing something that is already proving to be more effective
there making the sentances longer and more severe

[serial-thrilla]

the conservatives should bring back the death penalty, and bring it back better then the USA has it. I think anyone convicted of 1st degree murder should be shot right outside the courtroom. no staying on death row for 20 years and wasting tax payers money on food. lol kinda off topic.