Spoiler

[Jess]

We should have a spoiler tag here so if there's a huge post one can use the spoiler tag

[redcar]

Do we really need one? I can see why they are handy in Television forums etc., but here?

[Sith Lord 13]

It would be useful, for lots of reasons.

In addition to spoiler protection, it allows people to put more in their sig without taking up too much room. Also, it allows one to break up a big daunting post into easy to digest sections.

[Marcie]

I like this idea, though not really a "spoiler" tag more of a "See/Read more" tag..
IT would make larger posts easier to read, it would make them seem smaller.. therefore more people might be willing to read what the poster has to say.

[Giles]

Well... breaking up the text of a post doesn't make the post smaller. It just makes it seem like there's less text. Which is pointless.

I think it would be interesting in the film/tv forum. That way people could talk about the whole film, whilst just slapping the 'spoiler' thing over the bit that talks about the end or the twist.

[Magus]

The request was neglected(the subscript and superscript one). And I hope this one doesn't, because it is very useful for all things.

One - It works as a veil.
Two - It work as a size suppressed for text, images and videos.
Three- It is useful for many things. As quoting big things and all.

Spoiler tag in action

http://i47.tinypic.com/20pr6dy.jpg

As you can see how a huge blabber is made nothing but a single line using this tag.

It will come pretty useful.

[Patchy]

Tbh, if someone wanted to see VT posts, they just sign up therefore there not a way to stop friends seeing what you post, if you think your posting private stuff, stop posting it.

I could see it being abused a lot to spam and just use it for pointless reasons.

[Magus]

Tbh, if someone wanted to see VT posts, they just sign up therefore there not a way to stop friends seeing what you post, if you think your posting private stuff, stop posting it.

I could see it being abused a lot to spam and just use it for pointless reasons.

It wasn't meant to cover what you have written, it is rather made to put down huge monstrosities and put confine them to this spoiler tag(refer the image I posted)

It wouldn't be used for Spam, as spammers usually use quick reply. We can simply not put it there, but instead we can put it in 'post a reply'.

[Patchy]

I didn't really mean spammer spammers just general members using it as a way to annoy other members, seen it on many forums.

[Sage]

I'm Deschain, and I approve this thread. Spoilers are rather handy and there's nothing wrong that could come out of having them.

[Magus]

I didn't really mean spammer spammers just general members using it as a way to annoy other members, seen it on many forums.

Spam = Warn.

And I assure you, this is not like any another *air quoting*forums.

[Giles]

And I assure you

Patchy = Gmod
You = Normal Member

I would think that he would know.

[Sage]

Patchy = Gmod
You = Normal Member

I would think that he would know.

2 + 2 still equals 4 no matter whose mouth it comes out of.

[Jess]

People have the tendency to abuse things here :/ but I still think it's a good idea to add it. but if you don't want to add it, that's fine *shrugs*

[Mzor203]

"Spoiler" is really slightly misleading. Sure, it's handy if there is something you don't want to spoil, but I like it just because it's so helpful when you're making a post and you want to split it into sections so that others can go to the bits that are relevant to them... especially if it's going to be 10,000 words or something.

There are places where it can be annoying. I would really say don't allow them in sigs at all, that's a bad place for them to be used. But the point remains, they are so helpful in some situations.

[The Batman]

I don't see the use for it since the main places huge walls of posts are, are in ROTW and H&A type threads but besides that it'll just be there without any point to use it. I really don't even see why you'll need it in a H&A type thread either.

[Antares]

Honestly, I agree.

There is no negative aspect of having it as far as I can see so why not

[Magus]

I don't see the use for it since the main places huge walls of posts are, are in ROTW and H&A type threads but besides that it'll just be there without any point to use it. I really don't even see why you'll need it in a H&A type thread either.

It is handy where ever you may go. For posting images, for posting spoilers, for posting large text.

We have so far suggested multiple of tags here, at least this tag should come useful with little impact of spamming.

[Jess]

maybe we should have a poll and see who likes it and doesn't? :S

[Sage]

Don't forget youtube videos. I've a good computer and scrolling down through a post with an embedded video still slows my page down a bit. It's hell with multiple videos in one post and even more so for people with slower computers.

[The Batman]

It is handy where ever you may go. For posting images, for posting spoilers, for posting large text.

We have so far suggested multiple of tags here, at least this tag should come useful with little impact of spamming.

I'm not worried about the spamming. I'm just saying that it may not be used but by a few people and not very often. So what's the use of having a feature that will be barely used?

[Patchy]

Patchy = Gmod
You = Normal Member

I would think that he would know.

2 + 2 still equals 4 no matter whose mouth it comes out of.

Apart from it's my job and my fellow staff members to deal with the spam created from a spoiler tag.

A spoiler tag already exists on this site if I'm honest, hover over the thread title and you get the first few words of a post, giving you an insight into what the post is about.

[Sage]

A spoiler tag already exists on this site if I'm honest, hover over the thread title and you get the first few words of a post, giving you an insight into what the post is about.

That's absolutely not what a spoiler tag is. I may also add that any arguments that can be raised against spoiler tags can just as easily be raised against the youtube tag. Only a few people use it, and couldn't they just link to the video instead? My point stands. If we have a youtube tag, there's no reason not to have a spoiler tag.

[The Batman]

That's absolutely not what a spoiler tag is. I may also add that any arguments that can be raised against spoiler tags can just as easily be raised against the youtube tag. Only a few people use it, and couldn't they just link to the video instead? My point stands. If we have a youtube tag, there's no reason not to have a spoiler tag.

Having a youtube tag isn't reason enough to have a spoiler tag though. It's more than a few people that use the youtbe tag too it's actually a good majority of the active posters outside of p101.

[Wonder.]

Can't you guys (staff) enable it for a month, see if it causes trouble or not, then keep it or get rid of it? It would be nice to have when you need one and won't be used that often.

[Magus]

A spoiler tag already exists on this site if I'm honest, hover over the thread title and you get the first few words of a post, giving you an insight into what the post is about.

Jesus...

Here is the image again, and make sure you look at it clearly.

http://i47.tinypic.com/20pr6dy.jpg

As we know the image tag is

[IMG][/IMGz]

Spoiler tag would be:



There are many tags which are not used by the members; in addition, they are useless.(No, I won't name some)

Spoiler tag at least reduces annoyance of big posts.

[The Batman]

There are many tags which are not used by the members; in addition, they are useless.(No, I won't name some)

You're right so why add more?

[Magus]

You're right so why add more?

You think Spoiler Tag is useless?

A quote from Wikipedia.

"Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy that investigates principles of reality transcending those of any particular science. It is concerned with explaining the fundamental nature of being and the world. Someone who studies metaphysics would be called either a "metaphysician" or a "metaphysicist".
The word derives from the Greek words μετά (metá) (meaning "beyond" or "after") and φυσικά (physiká) (meaning "physical"), "physical" referring to those works on matter by Aristotle in antiquity. The prefix meta- ("beyond") was attached to the chapters in Aristotle's work that followed after the chapters on "physics," in posthumously edited collections. Aristotle himself did not call these works Metaphysics. Aristotle called some of the subjects treated there "first philosophy."
A central branch of metaphysics is ontology, the investigation into what types of things there are in the world and what relations these things bear to one another. The metaphysician also attempts to clarify the notions by which people understand the world, including existence, objecthood, property, space, time, causality, and possibility.
Before the development of modern science, scientific questions were addressed as a part of metaphysics known as "natural philosophy"; the term "science" itself meant "knowledge" of epistemological origin. The scientific method, however, made natural philosophy an empirical and experimental activity unlike the rest of philosophy, and by the end of the eighteenth century it had begun to be called "science" in order to distinguish it from philosophy. Thereafter, metaphysics became the philosophical enquiry of a non-empirical character into the nature of existence.

The first known metaphysician, according to Aristotle, was Thales. His concept of Arche or the source, first principle, or substratum was that of moisture, which is frequently translated as "water." Other Miletians, such as Anaximander and Anaximenes, also had a monistic conception of Arche. For Thales, the cosmos had a harmonious structure, and thus was subject to rational understanding. Parmenides of Elea held that the multiplicity of existing things, their changing forms and motion, are but an appearance of a single eternal reality (“Being”), thus giving rise to the Parmenidean principle that “all is one”. From this concept of Being, he went on to say that all claims of change or of non-Being are illogical. Because he introduced the method of basing claims about appearances on a logical concept of Being, he is considered one of the founders of metaphysics.
Metaphysics is called the "first philosophy" by Aristotle. The editor of his works, Andronicus of Rhodes, is thought to have placed the books on first philosophy right after another work, Physics, and called them τὰ μετὰ τὰ φυσικὰ βιβλία (ta meta ta physika biblia) or "the books that come after the [books on] physics". This was misread by Latin scholiasts, who thought it meant "the science of what is beyond the physical". In the English language, the word comes by way of the Medieval Latin metaphysica, the neuter plural of Medieval Greek metaphysika. While its Greek and Latin origins are clear, various dictionaries trace its first appearance in English to the mid-sixteenth century, although in some cases as early as 1387."

Wait... how annoying was that?

[The Batman]

You think Spoiler Tag is useless?

A quote from Wikipedia.

"Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy that investigates principles of reality transcending those of any particular science. It is concerned with explaining the fundamental nature of being and the world. Someone who studies metaphysics would be called either a "metaphysician" or a "metaphysicist".
The word derives from the Greek words μετά (metá) (meaning "beyond" or "after") and φυσικά (physiká) (meaning "physical"), "physical" referring to those works on matter by Aristotle in antiquity. The prefix meta- ("beyond") was attached to the chapters in Aristotle's work that followed after the chapters on "physics," in posthumously edited collections. Aristotle himself did not call these works Metaphysics. Aristotle called some of the subjects treated there "first philosophy."
A central branch of metaphysics is ontology, the investigation into what types of things there are in the world and what relations these things bear to one another. The metaphysician also attempts to clarify the notions by which people understand the world, including existence, objecthood, property, space, time, causality, and possibility.
Before the development of modern science, scientific questions were addressed as a part of metaphysics known as "natural philosophy"; the term "science" itself meant "knowledge" of epistemological origin. The scientific method, however, made natural philosophy an empirical and experimental activity unlike the rest of philosophy, and by the end of the eighteenth century it had begun to be called "science" in order to distinguish it from philosophy. Thereafter, metaphysics became the philosophical enquiry of a non-empirical character into the nature of existence.

The first known metaphysician, according to Aristotle, was Thales. His concept of Arche or the source, first principle, or substratum was that of moisture, which is frequently translated as "water." Other Miletians, such as Anaximander and Anaximenes, also had a monistic conception of Arche. For Thales, the cosmos had a harmonious structure, and thus was subject to rational understanding. Parmenides of Elea held that the multiplicity of existing things, their changing forms and motion, are but an appearance of a single eternal reality (“Being”), thus giving rise to the Parmenidean principle that “all is one”. From this concept of Being, he went on to say that all claims of change or of non-Being are illogical. Because he introduced the method of basing claims about appearances on a logical concept of Being, he is considered one of the founders of metaphysics.
Metaphysics is called the "first philosophy" by Aristotle. The editor of his works, Andronicus of Rhodes, is thought to have placed the books on first philosophy right after another work, Physics, and called them τὰ μετὰ τὰ φυσικὰ βιβλία (ta meta ta physika biblia) or "the books that come after the [books on] physics". This was misread by Latin scholiasts, who thought it meant "the science of what is beyond the physical". In the English language, the word comes by way of the Medieval Latin metaphysica, the neuter plural of Medieval Greek metaphysika. While its Greek and Latin origins are clear, various dictionaries trace its first appearance in English to the mid-sixteenth century, although in some cases as early as 1387."

Wait... how annoying was that?

Not annoying at all since I didn't read it.

[Magus]

Not annoying at all since I didn't read it.

Arguing with you is useless.

[Jess]

Can't you guys (staff) enable it for a month, see if it causes trouble or not, then keep it or get rid of it? It would be nice to have when you need one and won't be used that often.


that's a good idea

[Patchy]

The request was neglected(the subscript and superscript one). And I hope this one doesn't, because it is very useful for all things.

One - It works as a veil.
Two - It work as a size suppressed for text, images and videos.
Three- It is useful for many things. As quoting big things and all.

Spoiler tag in action

http://i47.tinypic.com/20pr6dy.jpg

As you can see how a huge blabber is made nothing but a single line using this tag.

It will come pretty useful.

It hides a post, thats pretty annoying to me actually, since I go into threads to read what people are saying.

If you don't want to read a post, then don't read it, surely your index finger is capable of scrolling past it?

We have a youtube tag because people like posting videos etc. That is a whole different type of tag. It's adding something useful to your post that saves people going of the site to view, a spoiler tag merely just hides your post.e

A spoiler tag is meant to be used for in case your giving a spoiler to something e.g. a tv show, the name says it....Not really built to save your fingers from scrolling down.

We've lived without it and can't see many people crying over not having it.

[Magus]

It hides a post, thats pretty annoying to me actually, since I go into threads to read what people are saying.

Scrolling down or clicking a button, take your pick.


If you don't want to read a post, then don't read it, surely your index finger is capable of scrolling past it?

It is not neccerrely hides the whole post, but whatever in between the tag i.e


We have a youtube tag because people like posting videos etc. That is a whole different type of tag. It's adding something useful to your post that saves people going of the site to view, a spoiler tag merely just hides your post.e

Merely hiding the post(and more, of course) is what we want.


A spoiler tag is meant to be used for in case your giving a spoiler to something e.g. a tv show, the name says it....Not really built to save your fingers from scrolling down.

It works in many ways, it is like a swiss knife.


We've lived without it and can't see many people crying over not having it.

And there you have your "people crying over not having it" batch - me, the OP and those who posted in need of it.

[Giles]

Arguing with you is useless.

Because you're wrong..?
If you post a giant wall of text, then it's expected that nobody is going to read it, therefore don't post giant walls of text. Search through it and pick out the important bits. It's not difficult.


And there you have your "people crying over not having it" batch - me, the OP and those who posted in need of it.

There is no need of it. I can think of about 5 times when I might of used it... It's not here and there's no need for it to be here, I like the idea. It's just not necessary. Plus, as Thomas said, how many people are actually going to use it regularly.

[-Silence]

Not annoying at all since I didn't read it.

Hahaha. wow, sorry that made me laugh. :-P

Anyways, to be honest, I think the spoiler idea is silly. If a post is to long to read skim parts of it or skip it. I think that picture of what it would look like would make a post look like shit.

[Magus]

Because you're wrong..?

Wrong for whatever reasons?


If you post a giant wall of text, then it's expected that nobody is going to read it, therefore don't post giant walls of text. Search through it and pick out the important bits. It's not difficult.

We, as members, sometimes concoct "giant wall of text". We have a lot of things to say ourself, we don't just go pick - pick everything.



There is no need of it. I can think of about 5 times when I might of used it... It's not here and there's no need for it to be here, I like the idea. It's just not necessary. Plus, as Thomas said, how many people are actually going to use it regularly.

Is there many people who uses the tag?
Is there many people who uses tag?
Is there many people who uses the as (-"as") tag?

Same-wise, not used often - but sure it will come handy.

[Giles]

If you create the text yourself and the person reading is interested in what you have to say, then fine. Yeah. But that person will of entered that thread to read your large amount of text and will be expecting it, therefore won't mind about reading it.

If you're just copying and pasting random shit, then there is no point in people even trying to read it, so they will just skip the whole post. I know that's what I do if I find loads of text in the middle of an interesting thread.

[Patchy]

People don't post big posts for the sake of posting big posts, well not usually.

In some advice sections big posts are needed to explain what the problem is. Putting a spoiler tags round that is silly. It's just like oh I've clicked on this thread to read it, but I cba reading much so I want people to put spoiler tags.

If you don't like reading big posts, don't look at them. Scroll down, press page down or spacebar or just leave the thread maybe?

Also you say three people are complaining, 2,215 members are active, thats not really close to a majority.

I want a few Scottish Emoticons, am I gonna get it, no because its not really essential since Scots are a minority on VT, can I live with out it, obviously?

[Jess]

um we can use it if someone put down their novel....that they wrote....

[Patchy]

um we can use it if someone put down their novel....that they wrote....

If they used that tags that is which is doubtful. If I wrote down or short story I wouldn't hide half of it just because some people are just being lazy and not bothering to read it. If your not wanting to read a post, just dont read it, avert your eyes since seeing lots of lines of text offends you!

[Jess]

guess so...but I still think it might be useful...

[Mzor203]

The novel thing is actually a point I was going to bring up previously.

Having spoiler tags for if you have a very large piece of work lets you do a couple things:

Makes it easier for the book to have an easy to navigate "Table of Contents". Sure, you could post seperate posts for each chapter, but then comes the issue of people replying with comments which breaks it up. Spoiler tags make it so that people can find around where they left off a lot more easily.

Secondly, in something where there's that amount of writing, scrolling down does become a bit of a job especially if the OP just wants to check comments or whatever. I know my brother has a book that's over 100,000 words long right now and what if he were a member of this site and wanted to share it?

Have fun scrolling through that.

EDIT: And most people are just looking down on it because the other uses aren't good enough or whatever. Gotta remember that in the end the main purpose is to hide spoilers. I can only think of two times something has been spoiled for me on VT but hey, it happens.

[Maverick]

I don't think its really necessary and it would start to annoy me when people would start using those spoiler tags needlessly.

[Jess]

The novel thing is actually a point I was going to bring up previously.

Having spoiler tags for if you have a very large piece of work lets you do a couple things:

Makes it easier for the book to have an easy to navigate "Table of Contents". Sure, you could post seperate posts for each chapter, but then comes the issue of people replying with comments which breaks it up. Spoiler tags make it so that people can find around where they left off a lot more easily.

Secondly, in something where there's that amount of writing, scrolling down does become a bit of a job especially if the OP just wants to check comments or whatever. I know my brother has a book that's over 100,000 words long right now and what if he were a member of this site and wanted to share it?

Have fun scrolling through that.

and it could hide information that's important but will take up more room...

[Patchy]

The novel thing is actually a point I was going to bring up previously.

Having spoiler tags for if you have a very large piece of work lets you do a couple things:

Makes it easier for the book to have an easy to navigate "Table of Contents". Sure, you could post seperate posts for each chapter, but then comes the issue of people replying with comments which breaks it up. Spoiler tags make it so that people can find around where they left off a lot more easily.

Secondly, in something where there's that amount of writing, scrolling down does become a bit of a job especially if the OP just wants to check comments or whatever. I know my brother has a book that's over 100,000 words long right now and what if he were a member of this site and wanted to share it?

Have fun scrolling through that.

EDIT: And most people are just looking down on it because the other uses aren't good enough or whatever. Gotta remember that in the end the main purpose is to hide spoilers. I can only think of two times something has been spoiled for me on VT but hey, it happens.

I see your point yeah however we barely have enormous posts on VT.

It's something some members would like but overall can VT live without it, yes.

[Sith Lord 13]

I see your point yeah however we barely have enormous posts on VT.

It's something some members would like but overall can VT live without it, yes.

True. However, the same could be said about any set of tags we have. Hell, the same could be said about the site itself, or even about the internet in general. The point is not is it necessary to have, but rather is it useful to have. I feel it would do more good than harm. Now, if it's a bitch to program, then I could understand why not to go through all the effort. But since no one has said that codding it would be an issue, I'm going to function on the premise that it's not. The question is, why not do it? Some people want it, and is anyone going to be bothered by it's availability?

[Magus]

Also. There are two types of spoiler Tags.

1 - which BLACKENS the AREA where it was tagged.
2 - Which COMPRESSES a whole lot of things into ONE sing line.

[Patchy]

True. However, the same could be said about any set of tags we have. Hell, the same could be said about the site itself, or even about the internet in general. The point is not is it necessary to have, but rather is it useful to have. I feel it would do more good than harm. Now, if it's a bitch to program, then I could understand why not to go through all the effort. But since no one has said that codding it would be an issue, I'm going to function on the premise that it's not. The question is, why not do it? Some people want it, and is anyone going to be bothered by it's availability?

I see, this is a primarily a help and advice forum though, hence we have a rather limited amount of tags.

Ant who is our forum wiz thinks it's not necessary therefore I doubt this will happen, there's more against than for.

[Asylum]

i totally agree wit this idea. i see it useful. however there is just one bad part. with someone with a long post, some of it is neccessary in reading to get help. if people just use the spoiler thing, they will just read taht and help on that rather then the whole post. there is a reason why it's long, and why the poster pposted it. i think people will abuse thi and just ue the spoiler.

[Jess]

there can be more than one spoilers in one post

we can use it for maybe recipes

First spoiler hides the ingredients

Second will have the instructions

[Giles]

there can be more than one spoilers in one post

we can use it for maybe recipes

First spoiler hides the ingredients

Second will have the instructions

Two problems.
The food section isn't exactly popular and there is no point in hiding two things in one post. There is just no need for spoilers...

[Jess]

well I still think a spoiler tag will be useful

[Magus]

Two problems.
The food section isn't exactly popular and there is no point in hiding two things in one post. There is just no need for spoilers...

Nonetheless, it is useful(The second spoiler tag) it will help us all around.
It doesn't deduct anything from you guys.

[Jess]

exactly. it might be useful to some of us

[1_21Guns]

I think it's a good idea. unless you did it so they only appeared on posts when they reached a certain limit on characters/words or something, it could make the forum appear tidyer. but like Patchy said. some people would abuse it.
perhaps like Jess said we could do a poll or something, see what happens?

[Jess]

I think an admin can add a poll here :S