Our new home Mars

[Kohta]

I've been stuck on this topic lately,
Its a sad truth but our planet Earth will eventually die, but does that mean we are going to suffer from the same fate as Earth?

I just want to get different oppinions from people on here wether the Human species will die off with Earth or if we will become a species that learns to live on other planets like Mars and eventually beyond the inner planets.

[Camazotz]

I would consider it unlikely. Creating a new society is already difficult to do without having to build a dome or another structure that can contain all of the humans. Instead of worrying about creating a society on Mars, we should focus on fixing our own society.

[AllThatIsLeft]

I personally think that what will die will be the human race, instead of the Earth. The Earth has seen so many phases, and it has lived thousands of millions of years. What will happen, is that we will die, and the earth through long periods of time will heal.

If the human race survives, it will only be according to the survival of the fittest. Even so, we might end up with significant alterations.

[Kohta]

Well what I was talking about with the death of Earth will be because of the Sun not Humans, but I have hope that we will eventually move on from Earth and maybe bring life with us so that not all will go extinc when our Sun destroys our planet

[Tiberius]

Trust me, if the sun destroys our planet, we'll be on it when it does.

[Perseus]

Trust me, if the sun destroys our planet, we'll be on it when it does.

That's like a billion years or so. I doubt we'll still be on Earth. :P

[kingpinnn]

i think that human ingenuity will see us through...we will solve our problems when we need to...the greatest thing that we have is our mind...it is the person that uses his mind that will survive...

[Jess]

I doubt we can survive on Mars. No life, nothing like Earth

[Ryhanna]

Jess, your particially right. Although mars is different to earth we would evolve and adapt to our new lifestyle.

I don't think we are in any immediate threat lol so don't start pannicking. Global warming can be stopped if we care about our planet and the life it contains. We need to remember that the earth isn't just a ball, it's a living thing that we need to take care of.

And yes, I know you were talking more about the death of the sun and how it will expand and destroy earth, but global warming is more immediate. When the sun consumes earth I predict we would have left earth by then due to global warming anyway lol but we would have left earth, not necessarily to mars, maybe a more earthly planet. What you're talking about is more than a billion years away, so at the rate we're going now we'll have unbelievably advanced technology and would have discovered a lot of new things, perhaps even ETs and secrets of the universe.

[Kohta]

I doubt we can survive on Mars. No life, nothing like Earth

Well we wouldn't live on Mars in its current state. We would terraform it which means to make it habitable for Humans and its very possible that our generation could see the first people to colonize Mars.

NASA plans to get us to Mars by 2030 and hopefully after that we can start to terraform it.

[Disco Jones]

if the Earth became uninhabitable due to the Sun what in the world makes you think we can live on Mars

[Kohta]

Well Disco Jones hopefully Humanity will start the process of making Mars habitable before we have to worry about Earth becoming uninhabitable due to the Sun
and as I had just posted we would Terraform! Mars to become more like Earth and be habitable for Humanity and other life on Earth

[Disco Jones]

When the Sun starts expanding, there's no guarantee Mars will be in the habitable zone. And terraforming isn't just a thing you can do without great difficulty and would require full global cooperation. You'd think if we had that, we could just work on making Earth better.

[Perseus]

Well Disco Jones hopefully Humanity will start the process of making Mars habitable before we have to worry about Earth becoming uninhabitable due to the Sun
and as I had just posted we would Terraform! Mars to become more like Earth and be habitable for Humanity and other life on Earth

The sun becoming a super red giant might be a little difficult to live on Mars because the sun will engulf the Earth, so Mars might be a little hot.

[Whisper]

That's like a billion years or so. I doubt we'll still be on Earth. :P

anthropologically speaking a billion years isn't a big deal
there are plenty of species that have been around for a very long time
as a species, Homo sapiens sapiens is EXTREMELY young
Even from a technological stand point I doubt we'd ever just up and abandon earth for the stars unless we were forced to by a MASSIVE cataclysmic event

[Kohta]

When the Sun starts expanding, there's no guarantee Mars will be in the habitable zone. And terraforming isn't just a thing you can do without great difficulty and would require full global cooperation. You'd think if we had that, we could just work on making Earth better.

Well when the Earth leaves the habitable zone Mars will be in it which could give humans a couple thousand years to figure out the problem of escaping the sun.
No home we ever live on will be permaneat but Mars will just be a stepping stone for our advancement into a space faring civilization.

Oh and Mars will not be easy to make habitable but if we try we should be able to, it'll just take time.

[kingpinnn]

When the Sun starts expanding, there's no guarantee Mars will be in the habitable zone. And terraforming isn't just a thing you can do without great difficulty and would require full global cooperation. You'd think if we had that, we could just work on making Earth better.

by the time the sun roasts the earth i am pretty sure we will be living on other planets, not just earth

[Disco Jones]

Mars might end up being in the habitable zone, or it may not. There is no guarantee that we'll get lucky with the red planet. All of this is a very long time off, including terraforming.

[Peace God]

We would need a water source, food source, energy and atmosphere.

[Hatsune Miku]

if the Earth became uninhabitable due to the Sun what in the world makes you think we can live on Mars

Mars has ice and has some living organisms. Which proves life can be sustainable. Mars is filled with carbon dioxide and it has a very thin atmosphere. There is a theory that we could bring plants from earth to mars and try to make it inhabitable, but since the atmosphere is so thin the oxygen wouldn't stay. But we could recreate a green house effect on Mars to trap in the gasses.

Terraforming could be possible

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/MarsTransitionV.jpg/152px-MarsTransitionV.jpg

[HillBillyWilly]

Even so, i would believe that when the Earth dies we will all be dead.

The sun will become a red Dwarf in several billion years. if we invent a way of space travel and eventualy interstar-system travel, we will probably survive. The cool part is that if we start to Terraform, or make Mars habitable now by injecting greenhouse gases, starting an atmosphere and growing plants and livestock there, we could have a second home for when we need it if the earth goes out of resources.

But if we span the galaxy, who knows what will hapen in the other galaxies. Maybe Sci-Fi is true.

maybe the Star Wars Yuuzhan Vong will come and destroy our empires within mere years.

Maybe we will undergo species wide changes enabling us to do much more with our brains

Maybe we will find the Asari, Hanar, Geth, Salarians, Turians, Krogan, Batarians, Vorcha and deadly Reapers of Mass Effect. (it still fits the timeline. Humanity found Alien Ruins on Mars and used them to find out that Plutos Moon Charon was actually a Mass Relay, a way to travel around systems, frozen in ice in 2140 or something then they were launched into Galctic Society.

[Peace God]

Maybe we will find the Asari, Hanar, Geth, Salarians, Turians, Krogan, Batarians, Vorcha and deadly Reapers of Mass Effect.
im not gonna lie...i wouldnt mind meeting an asari chick

[Kohta]

Mars might end up being in the habitable zone, or it may not. There is no guarantee that we'll get lucky with the red planet. All of this is a very long time off, including terraforming.

Actually we could see the start of terraforming in our lifetime. Of course it would only be the sending of micro organisms to kick everything off but it'll be a start and who knows it could happen much quicker than any of us think.
We landed on the moon 10 years after we said we would sooo I have hope

[Disco Jones]

Visiting the moon and terraforming a planet aren't even close to the same magnitude. Like I said, any terraforming effort would require full global cooperation. If we can achieve that any time soon, I'd rather focus on cleaning up Earth.

[Kohta]

Well when you compare visiting the moon in ten years with a history of little to no manned space missions, its a pretty big accomplishment and our generations moon visit will be when the first humans lands on Mars.
Oh and
Its a good thing that NASA is tasked with space exploration and our government deals with trying to make our society work, that way we can work on getting to Mars and try to fix our society.

[Disco Jones]

What benefit does Mars provide in the near future? Terraforming it would put a massive strain on the world economy. If we're going to spend billions of dollars making a planet pretty, let's do it to Earth.

[INFERNO]

I think if anything we may be able to build a mini dome-like world for a few researchers on Mars but that's being optimistic. Moving the human society to Mars in a way that allows survival I don't think is feasible, at least not in the next 30 or 50 years. We may be technologically-advanced but the amount of money needed to do so would be enormous, so enormous I doubt it's feasible. I think it's great to explore other planets but if we're to focus on a specific planet, it should be the one we're on because we can hopefully fix the problems on this planet without having to hop over to another planet. Supposing we do manage to move society to Mars, then whatever problems in society that occurred on Earth will most likely travel with us to Mars and we'll have to address the problems there.

If the sun engulfs Earth, then even if we manage to inhabit Mars, we're still screwed. If it doesn't engulf Mars, it'll make the temperature so high, we'll be screwed anyways. The solution of course would be going to other planets or even galaxies that are farther away but before we begin boarding the Enterprise, we should address this planet we're on.

[Disco Jones]

There is some chance that Mars' orbit will widen and enter a habitable zone when the sun starts expanding, but we can't count on that.

[kingpinnn]

We would need a water source, food source, energy and atmosphere.

mars has water, and after we are done terraforming the planet, which would take about 100 years, then we will have access to soil, and atmosphere...by the time we are done terraforming mars, we will most likely be able to use nuclear fusion for power and that will be our fuel source

[HillBillyWilly]

There is some chance that Mars' orbit will widen and enter a habitable zone when the sun starts expanding, but we can't count on that.

but don't Red Giants give off way more radiation than the regular sun does?

and even so, when it is in the habitable zone, it wouldn't develop it's own life unless ewe terraformed it already, or it happened by evolution , which i do not believe in, over billions of years, by which time i think we will be gone.

[kingpinnn]

Mars might end up being in the habitable zone, or it may not. There is no guarantee that we'll get lucky with the red planet. All of this is a very long time off, including terraforming.

i have always wondered, with Einstein's theory or relativity, does mas or volume have a greater effect on the fabric of space-time...i mean...the sun, when it expands, will have a greater volume but much less mass because it has used up all its hydrogen and helium...will it have same, greater, or less of an effect on the fabric of space-time, thus...what effect it will have on the orbit of mars when it expands.

[HillBillyWilly]

when the sun expands, it is supposed to swallow the inner planets instead of change their course.

[Disco Jones]

The idea is that the sun will have less mass so Mars will have a wider orbit and won't get swallowed.

[kingpinnn]

The idea is that the sun will have less mass so Mars will have a wider orbit and won't get swallowed.

less mass=wider orbit...somehow, that doesnt seem right to me lol

[HillBillyWilly]

I do think that our generation will see at least one manned Mars landing. but beyond that, i don't think anything else will happen. Its like the moon. We went their a couple of times, landed and then just left it alone after our curiosity was quenched. (although i would like to see what's on the dark side of the moon)

[Disco Jones]

If it has less mass it has a weaker gravitational pull, so the orbits will widen.

We should see a Mars landing in our lifetimes, which may require going back to the moon to set up a base there.

[maestro15]

The sun wont expand for another 5 Billion Years. It is probable, that humans could evolve (or de-evolve back into stupid apes) into a much more intellectual society. Anything is possible. We could be as intelligent to the point where we could make ships that are for long distance trips. The Universe will never end, and there as an extreme probability that there is another earth like planet. And Yes, we could sustain future generations on martian land if we can melt all the ice which can make oceans, Due to lower amounts of protection from an atmosphere, we can make huge domes with protective glass. But remember money is also an issue

[kingpinnn]

totally

[Kohta]

The sun wont expand for another 5 Billion Years. It is probable, that humans could evolve (or de-evolve back into stupid apes) into a much more intellectual society. Anything is possible. We could be as intelligent to the point where we could make ships that are for long distance trips. The Universe will never end, and there as an extreme probability that there is another earth like planet. And Yes, we could sustain future generations on martian land if we can melt all the ice which can make oceans, Due to lower amounts of protection from an atmosphere, we can make huge domes with protective glass. But remember money is also an issue

ummm....The Sun is constantly expanding and I read somewhere that we only have about 11 million years left before Earth becomes too hot, but I would say we have even less time than that(maybe only a few hundred years)
But Mars would give us that few extra thousand years to advance our technology and find a way to survive outside of our solar system

[Disco Jones]

we definitely have a lot more than 11 million years and a shitload more than a few hundred years

The universe will not be habitable forever either

[mrmcdonaldduck]

by the time that earth is unsuitable for man, it will either be mans own fault, through war or lack of resources or continued environmental destruction. when this happens, we will be dead, long dead. we dont really have to worry about this, as humans as a species probably wont exist for more than another 10-20 thousand years.

But if it was to happen, we would most probably be unable to colonize mars due to a lack of water, no atmoshpere and incredible extremes in climate. Teraphorming would be difficult, and what trees and crops could grow in such an iron rich soil?

When the earth dies, we die with it, or we will have been long dead, so therefore not have to worry about it.

[Black or White]

I like to think that in the future we will be colonising every resourceful and habitable planet we find, I do believe we will one day travel outside our own galaxy to another and colonise planets there. I dont think that the end of the human race will be when the sun dies, we should have moved on by then.

[Hollywood]

When the earth dies, we die with it, or we will have been long dead, so therefore not have to worry about it.

I agree with this. It would take something along the lines of evolution to adapt to such an extreme climate such as the one present on Mars. No one would live long enough to keep the human race going. So yeah, when the Earht dies, there's nowhere else to go. We die with it. Unless some unimaginable scientific breakthrough occurs that allows humans to live normally in different climates, then we'll never make it on Mars.

[Disco Jones]

oops

[Disco Jones]

guys

you do realize that the whole point of terraforming is to change all the shit that makes Mars uninhabitable