Contraception

[Death]

Personally, I would have thought that this is a no-brainer, until I realised that there's definitely a significant viewpoint (apparently, it's mainly believed by evangelical protestants, but maybe there's others who also agree) against the use of contraception, so I though that I'd get everyone's viewpoints to see what the general opinion is. So, do you think that the use of condoms to avoid having a child when having sex is acceptable?

[Magus]

Contraceptives are of many types, and not just Condoms. There are what we call as Barriers. A complete list of contraceptive: Natural methods, IUDs(Women case), oral contraceptive(pills), Injectable, implants and surgical methods. These are in the case of male-female copulation.

Contraceptive helps in controlling population crisis. Once the couple have the desired number of children, they will tend to move on using contraceptive. It is much morally acceptable world wide than abortion; avoiding pregnancies in the first place. I don't know much on 'evangelical protestant' much, all other religions(I think) accepts using contraceptives for the purpose of not having a child.

Some methods of contraception are not advised for those who are not of married couples(or male-male relations). IUD, Pills, oral, barriers(some), implants and surgery will not help in preventing STD. In this case, the best option would be condoms.

Well, to answer you. I find it acceptable more than anything else to avoid unwanted pregnancies. What makes it not?

I think some religious views it not because it provokes and induces illegitimate sex.
But this is one sided frame of view, married couple could use it too. So, it is deemed a better option to avoid pregnancy, and many religion set it OK(where I live it is OK, in fact you can visit a clinic and able to buy a contraceptive). Condoms is feasible and better to use for all cases, if and only if used correctly ;)

Anything else?

[Sage]

Yes because children suck and we have way too many.

[Cloud]

well the evangelicals also dnt condone sex before marriage
as with catholics
so since its not meant to be used before marriage then its believed that those married should have sex to conceive a child, which a condom prevents so ya can see where there coming rfom with that one

[ShatteredWings]

I really don't see the problem.

If you don't want a child I don't see why you should have to have a kid.

Some people shouldn't reproduce and are well aware of it, but we're human and humans like sex...
Can't find a reason why it's wrong.


Hormonal contraception has side effects, but you should be aware of that BEFORE starting it.

[Sage]

but we're human and humans like sex...

Tell that to the catholics.

[Jenna.]

Tell that to the catholics.

Thats pretty ignorant. I happen to be Catholic and I'm not against abortion and I'm definitely for using protection/contraception. I'm not super religious, but even if I was, not all Catholics are like that. I don't like the ones that are, to be honest. They give us all a bad rep and make us look like we're a bunch of goody goodys...

[Cloud]

Thats pretty ignorant. I happen to be Catholic and I'm not against abortion and I'm definitely for using protection/contraception. I'm not super religious, but even if I was, not all Catholics are like that. I don't like the ones that are, to be honest. They give us all a bad rep and make us look like we're a bunch of goody goodys...

cos the catholic teachings teach that we should be
so you may be catholic by baptism
but you dont follow Catholicism when people refer to catholics like that they mean the devout ones who follow the religion to the letter
and they dont give us a bad name, they are the name, if anything we give them the bad name

[Jenna.]

cos the catholic teachings teach that we should be
so you may be catholic by baptism
but you dont follow Catholicism when people refer to catholics like that they mean the devout ones who follow the religion to the letter
and they dont give us a bad name, they are the name, if anything we give them the bad name

I don't believe in how strict some of the beliefs are. No contraception is pretty unrealistic. Maybe it wasn't hundreds of years ago, but times have changed. Most of the Catholics I know don't follow that one.

[ShatteredWings]

Tell that to the catholics.

Yeah... I was taking religion out of the argument. But fair point (jenny: reference to TEACHING, priests, and devout catholics rather than the lip service, easter-christmas catholics)

[AgusCO]

I voted the wrong one...I though the question was "morally unacceptable" so I put "no" but I reading it correctly, I should have voted "yes".

[Sage]

I happen to be Catholic

I'm not super religious,

They give us all a bad rep

Congratulations! You don't follow all of your teachings. They're still stupid teachings.

[Peace God]

Thats pretty ignorant.
not if you read the bible...if fact that's why masturbating and homosexuality were wrong cuz it wastes sperm...the seed of life

[SafeAuto]

There is nothing wrong with preventing yourself from spawning a child. Nobody is killed. Thus, it is ethically sound.

[Sage]

There is nothing wrong with preventing yourself from spawning a child. Nobody is killed. Thus, it is ethically sound.

Don't you have an abortion thread to preach in?

[INFERNO]

I think it is morally acceptable because the sex then occurs simply for pleasure, to better one's relationship and the list goes on but excludes having a child.
If people want to have pleasure in this way but don't want a child, then contraception provides an avenue for this to occur. Supposing there was no contraception, a child may be born to parents who do not want it, which leads to an obvious set of problems or to abortion.

As long as the consenting partners share the view that not all intercourse needs to produce a baby and that sex can occur without the desire or intention of having a child, then it seems sound to me.

[deadpie]

Thats pretty ignorant. I happen to be Catholic and I'm not against abortion and I'm definitely for using protection/contraception. I'm not super religious, but even if I was, not all Catholics are like that.

Then your pretty much not a catholic if you don't follow what the catholic faith says. You can't just disagree with the parts you don't like and if you don't agree with all of their morals, then maybe you should switch to a different religion or branch of christianity.

make us look like we're a bunch of goody goodys...

Sense when did "goody goodies" go around as a catholic priest molesting children?



Of course condoms are acceptable to me, because your not preventing life if their isn't even a life created yet. Plus, if mom and dad say that using a condom is bad and then you get a baby, your life is pretty much fucked because they'll probably make you keep it.
Condoms help. Use them and your brain.

[Disco Jones]

I'm against it. If I'm going to murder millions of my own sex cells, I want one of them to finish the job.

[Death]

I'm against it. If I'm going to murder millions of my own sex cells, I want one of them to finish the job.

If you're going to look at it from that perspective, then you are condoning 'murder' for a specific reason, which I would not view as a good thing. Besides, I would hardly say that your sex cells have a life of their own (by that I mean they have no sensitivity or self-awareness or anything - even less than that of a plant). Good luck with having relationship-boosting fun with your spouse without being landed with an unwanted child, which is clearly worse.

Then your pretty much not a catholic if you don't follow what the catholic faith says. You can't just disagree with the parts you don't like and if you don't agree with all of their morals, then maybe you should switch to a different religion or branch of christianity.

I agree. It would be like me saying that I'm an atheist (which I am) but I do not agree with the 'God does not exist' part, which would pretty much make calling myself an 'atheist' pointless.

Of course condoms are acceptable to me, because your not preventing life if their isn't even a life created yet.

A good view, but why did you vote 'no' on the poll? Did you misread it?

As for my own opinion on the use of contraception (which you've probably sussed out by now but I'll tell you anyway), I think that this is definitely a no-brainer - for me at least. If you are to call the use of contraception murder because you're stopping a child from being born, you may as well say that deciding to not have sex in the first place is wrong, since you are 'murdering a child that could have existed', which is clearly a crackpot view. So, I fail to see why anyone could possibly even begin to suggest that the use of contraception is even slightly wrong.

[Sage]

If you're going to look at it from that perspective, then you are condoning 'murder' for a specific reason, which I would not view as a good thing. Besides, I would hardly say that your sex cells have a life of their own (by that I mean they have no sensitivity or self-awareness or anything - even less than that of a plant). Good luck with having relationship-boosting fun with your spouse without being landed with an unwanted child, which is clearly worse.

You have been trolled my friend.

[deadpie]

A good view, but why did you vote 'no' on the poll? Did you misread it?
.


I misread it because I'm a dumbfuck. :P

[DayBreakArt]

Thumbs up to contraception. ;D

[Jacob1993]

I personally believe that the use of contraception IS morally acceptable.
It is more morally acceptable then having a baby that ur not ready for, or having an abortion if u do get pregnant. Although it is up to the individual and their religous beliefs if they use it or not.
Me personally, I would never have sex with out using a condom and Im comfortable with that decision.

[Death]

You have been trolled my friend.

Are you saying that Disco Jones was trolling when he said that it was murder? BTW, I've also realised that (s)he voted 'yes' on the poll.

[Zephyr]

Condoms help prevent the spread of STD's,
And any form of birth control helps prevent pregnancy.

I've had friends get STD's since they thought the pill was enough.

I've had friends get pregnant because they thought the concept of condoms was oh so embarrassing.

Hell, I know a girl that got tricked into not using condoms, latex or lambskin, because the guy was supposedly allergic to both;
Which he admitted lying about, and now she has a kid by that guy who is now a dead beat daddy and in jail.

Always acceptable. Every time. Period.

[Magus]

Condoms help prevent the spread of STD's,
And any form of birth control helps prevent pregnancy.

I've had friends get STD's since they thought the pill was enough.

Not necessarily. There are contraceptives which only reduces the chances of pregnancy to some extent, but not totally immune to pregnancy.

Wrong usage of even the condoms could lead to pregnancy. The best will be, in my opinion, Tubectomy(tubal ligation).

The best -all round- will be the barrier Condom. Not only it prevents pregnancy, but STDs as well.


I agree. It would be like me saying that I'm an atheist (which I am) but I do not agree with the 'God does not exist' part, which would pretty much make calling myself an 'atheist' pointless.


But I agree. It would be like me saying that I'm a theist (which I am) but I do not agree with the 'God exist' part, which would pretty much make calling myself a 'theist' pointless.

Jeez! Haven't been there any topic where you have not stated that you are an atheist?

[Death]

Jeez! Haven't been there any topic where you have not stated that you are an atheist?

I know I do say that sometimes, I don't really say that all the time (at least not directly) at all; I think it simply came up naturally here, that's all.

One thing that got me though is why do those who believe that the use of contraception is wrong believe that? What arguments do they usually come up with (except for it being murder which it clearly isn't)? I know that the belief against it exists, but it seems as natural and okay as opening a door to me.

[Disco Jones]

If you're going to look at it from that perspective, then you are condoning 'murder' for a specific reason, which I would not view as a good thing. Besides, I would hardly say that your sex cells have a life of their own (by that I mean they have no sensitivity or self-awareness or anything - even less than that of a plant). Good luck with having relationship-boosting fun with your spouse without being landed with an unwanted child, which is clearly worse.


I will murder my sperm either way, this is my biological function as a man and I cannot control that. What I can control is the objective of their suicide mission, and I would rather have it be the creation of new life than my own hedonistic pleasure. And yes, they are living things.

[Death]

They may be living things, but that doesn't mean they have a life. There's a difference.

[Disco Jones]

Of course they do. If you want to say they aren't thinking beings, that's different, but they are a part of you.

It's one thing if you don't mind killing millions of your own cells on a regular basis just for pleasure. That puts you in the majority and I can respect that decision, even if I find it personally disgusting. You're only hurting yourself and not others, after all. But don't try to delude yourself into thinking you're doing anything different. Keep that in mind next time you get a haircut.

[Zephyr]

Not necessarily.

Henceforth the usage of the words 'helps prevent'. I wasn't implying that it's a perfect science.

[Death]

If you want to say they aren't thinking beings, that's different,

That's exactly what I meant. They may be alive as you say, but they can't feel pain, grief, pleasure, or anything like that which would make killing them meaningless in not only my eyes, but the eyes of so many others.

You're only hurting yourself

But how am I hurting myself? Personally, I feel a lot better after ejaculation. Besides, the body produces millions of them for a reason. Would it really do that if it we were only supposed to use the sperm a few times or even once in our life?

If the use of condoms (and presumably masturbation too) is wrong because of the murder of millions of cells, why is it okay to do it when doing so to create one new life despite millions being killed for it? Another question: is planning unprotected sex around the most infertile times in woman's period (proven to be effective to an extent) also wrong?

[Disco Jones]

I already told you that those cells are going to die either way, but I can at least create something new out of it. So much sperm is made to maximize the chances of conception.

[Death]

And yet when we have sex a few times (say for procreation only like you would), we don't release nearly as much sperm as we could if we regularly masturbated or had protected sex.

[magikarpy]

Contraception is extremely moral compared to spreading STD's and having a child you can't care for.

[ShatteredWings]

You're only hurting yourself and not others, after all. But don't try to delude yourself into thinking you're doing anything different.
How's it hurting yourself? You make this claim, which very few - if any - agree with, and then don't back yourself up.

The male body makes sperm constantly. If we weren't meant to relace it relativly frequently it wouldn't be made in huge quantities.

Contraception is extremely moral compared to spreading STD's and having a child you can't care for.
Seconded.

[Disco Jones]

And yet when we have sex a few times (say for procreation only like you would), we don't release nearly as much sperm as we could if we regularly masturbated or had protected sex.

Yeah, that's what I said. I'm trying to get the best possible murdered sperm:chance of conception ratio, and masturbation or protected sex doesn't help that.

[lipstick_kisses23]

Yes because children suck and we have way too many.
LOL! that was funny

but on a more serious note, churches dont like the use of contraception! I had no idea until my priest was talking about it in an RCIA i was sitting in for.

[Death]

Yeah, that's what I said. I'm trying to get the best possible murdered sperm:chance of conception ratio, and masturbation or protected sex doesn't help that.

But how does not giving a toss about this ratio hurt you like you mentioned?

On a side note, why does everyone seem to make the same grammatical error in putting an apostrophe in a word that is only supposed to be plural (e.g. STD's instead of STDs - not just on this forum)? Sorry, but this really gets me.

[Disco Jones]

Because those are your own cells you're killing.

[ShatteredWings]

That doesn't explain how it harms you. They may be your cells, but don't you kill just as many cells by existing?

[Patchy]

It's up to the 2 people involved whether to use contraception or not. If they chose not to they live with the consequences of having a baby bringing "joy".

On the other hand if you believe in your religion so much and if it condones the use of contraception then since your not following your religions beliefs perhaps you chose the wrong one?

[The Dark Lord]

Contraception should be encouraged. Far too many people have kids that they can't support.

[Death]

Because those are your own cells you're killing.

But your killed cells replenish themselves, so you still haven't explained why that hurts you. If you killed all your cells in your arm, then I'd see where the hurting is happening, but that isn't the case. Human cells always die, and they are always replaced (under normal circumstances). So why is it an issue to make that cycle occur with you sperm cells?

Besides, are you saying that you hurt yourself when you have unprotected sex to have a child?

if you believe in your religion so much and if it condones the use of contraception then since your not following your religions beliefs perhaps you chose the wrong one?

Problem with that logic is that you would end up having no religion (being an atheist) since every religion has bad bits in it.

[Zeh Crazy]

A woman has the right (or should) to put anything in her body she wishes, even if it harms the fetus. It's preventing the conception of a child, not killing it.

[Death]

I agree. It's for that reason that I cannot see why anything is wrong with contraception.