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R_master
July 6th, 2006, 06:21 PM
By DARLENE SUPERVILLE, Associated Press Writer Wed Jul 5, 5:23 PM ET

WASHINGTON - When "say," "they" and "weigh" rhyme, but "bomb," "comb" and "tomb" don't, wuudn't it maek mor sens to spel wurdz the wae thae sound?


Those in favor of simplified spelling say children would learn faster and illiteracy rates would drop. Opponents say a new system would make spelling even more confusing.

Eether wae, the consept has yet to capcher th publix imajinaeshun.

It's been 100 years since Andrew Carnegie helped create the Simplified Spelling Board to promote a retooling of written English and President Theodore Roosevelt tried to force the government to use simplified spelling in its publications. But advocates aren't giving up.

They even picket the national spelling bee finals, held every year in Washington, costumed as bumble bees and hoisting signs that say "Enuf is enuf but enough is too much" or "I'm thru with through."

Thae sae th bee selebraets th ability of a fue stoodents to master a dificult sistem that stumps meny utherz hoo cuud do just as wel if speling were simpler.

"It's a very difficult thing to get something accepted like this," says Alan Mole, president of the American Literacy Council, which favors an end to "illogical spelling." The group says English has 42 sounds spelled in a bewildering 400 ways.

Americans doen't aulwaez go for whut's eezy — witnes th faeluer of th metric sistem to cach on. But propoenents of simpler speling noet that a smatering of aulterd spelingz hav maed th leep into evrydae ues.

Doughnut also is donut; colour, honour and labour long ago lost the British "u" and the similarly derived theatre and centre have been replaced by the easier-to-sound-out theater and center.

"The kinds of progress that we're seeing are that someone will spell night 'nite' and someone will spell through 'thru,'" Mole said. "We try to show where these spellings are used and to show dictionary makers that they are used so they will include them as alternate spellings."

"Great changes have been made in the past. Systems can change," a hopeful Mole said.

Lurning English reqierz roet memory rather than lojic, he sed.

In languages with phonetically spelled words, like German or Spanish, children learn to spell in weeks instead of months or years as is sometimes the case with English, Mole said.

But education professor Donald Bear said to simplify spelling would probably make it more difficult because words get meaning from their prefixes, suffixes and roots.

"Students come to understand how meaning is preserved in the way words are spelled," said Bear, director of the E.L. Cord Foundation Center for Learning and Literacy at the University of Nevada, Reno.

Th cuntry's larjest teecherz uennyon, wuns a suporter, aulso objects.

Michael Marks, a member of the National Education Association's executive committee, said learning would be disrupted if children had to switch to a different spelling system. "It may be more trouble than it's worth," said Marks, a debate and theater teacher at Hattiesburg High School in Mississippi.

E-mail and text messages are exerting a similar tug on the language, sharing some elements with the simplified spelling movement while differing in other ways. Electronic communications stress shortcuts like "u" more than phonetics. Simplified spelling is not always shorter than regular spelling — sistem instead of system, hoep instead of hope.

Carnegie tried to moov thingz along in 1906 when he helpt establish and fund th speling bord. He aulso uezd simplified speling in his correspondens, and askt enywun hoo reported to him to do the saem.

A filanthropist, he becaem pashunet about th ishoo after speeking with Melvil Dewey, a speling reform activist and Dewey Desimal sistem inventor hoo simplified his furst naem bi droping "le" frum Melville.

Roosevelt tried to get the government to adopt simpler spellings for 300 words but Congress blocked him. He used simple spellings in all White House memos, pressing forward his effort to "make our spelling a little less foolish and fantastic."

The Chicago Tribune aulso got into th act, uezing simpler spelingz in th nuezpaeper for about 40 years, ending in 1975. Plae-riet George Bernard Shaw, hoo roet moest of his mateerial in shorthand, left muny in his wil for th development of a nue English alfabet.

Carnegie, Dewey, Roosevelt and Shaw's work followed attempts by Benjamin Franklin, Daniel Webster and Mark Twain to advance simpler spelling. Twain lobbied The Associated Press at its 1906 annual meeting to "adopt and use our simplified forms and spread them to the ends of the earth." AP declined.

But for aul th hi-proefiel and skolarly eforts, the iedeea of funy-luuking but simpler spelingz didn't captivaet the masez then — or now.

"I think that the average person simply did not see this as a needed change or a necessary change or something that was ... going to change their lives for the better," said Marilyn Cocchiola Holt, manager of the Pennsylvania department of the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh.

Carnegie, hoo embraest teknolojy, died in 1919, wel befor sel foenz. Had he livd, he probably wuud hav bin pleezd to no that milyonz of peepl send text and instant mesejez evry dae uezing thair oen formz of simplified speling: "Hav a gr8 day!"


The retardation of America has got to end soon.
Is it really that fucking hard?

Bobby
July 6th, 2006, 06:23 PM
Wow. That's really dumb. That would not help illiteracy rates. Not enough atleast.

Dante
July 6th, 2006, 07:28 PM
they are always findign a way to dumb down everyone because some people cant handle it.

Whisper
July 6th, 2006, 07:51 PM
Meh I don't think it would help much to be honest
It took me a LOOONG time to learn how to read and even longer to be able to write effectively
But I don't think I would have picked it up faster with the simplified method
I like English the way it is
It's one of the hardest languages to learn I'm proud that I mastered it

The problem isn’t the language
It’s the education system
America’s education system is crap
It used to be the best on the planet now your fighting to hold onto 20th

You need to spend more on education and less on the industrial military complex in order to increase literacy rates

Don’t get me wrong
Canada isn’t much better
Alberta has the best education system in Canada
and even here its crap

There’s nothing wrong with English
There is something severely wrong with the standardized system used to teach it
THAT is where the focus should be

boognish
July 6th, 2006, 10:43 PM
you know whats next right? calling this new spelling a whole new language, American...
also i found that phonetic spelling harder to read than regular spelling.

redcar
July 7th, 2006, 07:42 AM
well American is sort of happening in the way, like when you consider the spelling differences between Britain and USA, like colour and color. small differences but still.

MoveAlong
July 7th, 2006, 03:30 PM
colour and color.
I don't know which one I like better :P

That is just...a stupid idea, I mean have they thought about the current kids learning how to spell, the people who already know, and the ones yet to learn? They'd have to totally shift the ones learning how to spell's definition of spelling, have the people who already know have to either change quickly or keep going, and the ones yet to learn will--well, they're the most protected.

Plus, if this were the case, instead of creating another language they'd keep it at 'English' instead of 'American English' or 'American' :disgust: all of the books would be spelled wrong, along with that ever-glorious constitution that everyone wants to hold up except the parts that conflict with the bible :what: And the bible would be translated wrong and have to be re-translated which, heh, I don't think they want to do XD
It's not possible, and they won't do it :P

JunkBondTrader
July 7th, 2006, 04:06 PM
I read this on Slashdot this morning and I think it's a stupid idea. As someone on Slashdot wrote: It's a brilliant idea! They take an easy to grasp language and turn it into Japanese for people who can't spell.

Dante
July 7th, 2006, 05:54 PM
god i hate when i hear people talk about making a language called american...its english people thats it.

I do like to spell certain words in the british counterpart....like centre or theatre