Do you think it possible?

[Perseus]

Well, first off, if you're a religious fanatic, leave your religion at the door and think without the religion.

All right, well, what do you guys think about the theory that life(microscopic) could have possibly hitched a ride on a meteor and crashed here on Earth starting life, not just by some chemical reaction or a god doing his thing?

Also, on this note, what do you guys think about an intelligent civilization sending out this concept of life just because they wanted to?

I made this thread because last night on the History Channel I was watching a show called "Ancient Astronauts". :P

[Scarface]

I believe that there could be a another form of life another planet that looks just like us. "Hitching a ride" could have very well happened. Sending out a concept of life though I don't think happened. We didn't just appear out of no where, but I think that out there is a more advanced form of being and civilization.

[Perseus]

I believe that there could be a another form of life another planet that looks just like us. "Hitching a ride" could have very well happened. Sending out a concept of life though I don't think happened. We didn't just appear out of no where, but I think that out there is a more advanced form of being and civilization.

Whoops, I mean microscopic life. :P Y'know, I guess it would Archaebacteria for that time period...

[Scarface]

Ever heard of the 'strange' matter? It's a microscopic amoeba that could destroy earth. I saw it also on a TV show on the History channel. It sounds kind of hokey, but it was pretty interesting. Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_matter)

[Peace God]

lol I was just reading about this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia
vs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

Some people claim that life has to come from another form of life and other people think that it happened from non living matter eventually turning into living matter.

[Sage]

My problem with theories like this is that it doesn't explain how life started at all, and just says "WELL, it didn't happen here!"

[Perseus]

My problem with theories like this is that it doesn't explain how life started at all, and just says "WELL, it didn't happen here!"

Yep, I agree with this on so many levels. It tries to explain where life came from, without explaining where that life came from.

[Wtficus]

who gives a crap, we`re here, that`s all that matters. stop wasting time trying to figure out how we got here, just be happy

[Sage]

who gives a crap, we`re here, that`s all that matters. stop wasting time trying to figure out how we got here, just be happy

Yes, let's forget all about the pursuit of greater intellect and knowledge, let's be completely indifferent to natural history, let's stop thinking about the possible applications of the knowledge of how to create life.

You, sir, and your ways of thinking are the epitome of low-class, anti-intellectual indifference that cripples the masses in our society.

[Perseus]

who gives a crap, we`re here, that`s all that matters. stop wasting time trying to figure out how we got here, just be happy

Geeze, all I wanted to do was start a friendly debate. Instead of posting obnoxious posts in my thread, you could have strayed away and not clicked on the link in 'Ramblings of the Wise'. Word to the wise, don't post that kinda stuff in threads or you world will get rocked.

[ManyPearTree]

To be honest, there is almost no plausible way that this could happen. There is no air in space in which bacteria need and a meteor would burn up in the the atmosphere oblitherating everything on it. If somehow the bacteria lived and the meteor made it through the atmosphere they would surely die from the collision with the ground (explosion).

And the Earth was a lot warmer during that time period also. :D

[Whisper]

To be honest, there is almost no plausible way that this could happen. There is no air in space in which bacteria need and a meteor would burn up in the the atmosphere oblitherating everything on it. If somehow the bacteria lived and the meteor made it through the atmosphere they would surely die from the collision with the ground (explosion).

And the Earth was a lot warmer during that time period also. :D

Thats not necessarily true
the basic building blocks of life can survive far worse than a cold vacuum and the heat from re-entry, if they're contained within the meteor...the heat could actually help.
are the chances high, probly not
But i doubt the chances of earth forming in the perfect spot for it to be in the goldilocks band of a mature star are very high either, and yet, here we are.

mazal tov

[Peace God]

To be honest, there is almost no plausible way that this could happen. There is no air in space in which bacteria need and a meteor would burn up in the the atmosphere oblitherating everything on it. If somehow the bacteria lived and the meteor made it through the atmosphere they would surely die from the collision with the ground (explosion).

And the Earth was a lot warmer during that time period also. :D
It's still plausible... some things can still be preserved after they enter the earth's atmosphere.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6660045/Bacteria-from-Mars-found-inside-ancient-meteorite.html
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=157
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremophile

[Wtficus]

Yes, let's forget all about the pursuit of greater intellect and knowledge, let's be completely indifferent to natural history, let's stop thinking about the possible applications of the knowledge of how to create life.

You, sir, and your ways of thinking are the epitome of low-class, anti-intellectual indifference that cripples the masses in our society.

im talking about religion, not the whole revolution thing.

keep your religion to yourself. nuff said

[Severus Snape]

Hmm, I don't think so. I'm fairly certain the evidence indicates life originated on this planet.

[mirr0rz]

There is a theory of Abiogenesis, which is a beautiful idea. They recently had an experiment confirming the ability of RNA to do the things described in the video. We will soon have a theory that works as well as the Theory of Evolution! I am so excite.

Here is a video on Youtube, by a scientist explaining how it works. It also has a brilliant classical soundtrack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg

[quartermaster]

My problem with theories like this is that it doesn't explain how life started at all, and just says "WELL, it didn't happen here!"

That is also my main contention with such a theory; it does not solve any of the underlying issues, it just attempts to resolve holes in our knowledge by attributing it to another universe.

So sure, it is possible that life "hitched" a ride here on a meteor, but then what? How did that life form?

[Giles]

I like the idea of earth being like a little science project for a much greater and larger civilisation, I don't think it likely though.

The idea of humans eventually coming into existence via a meteor, I think that is more likely .

[CuriousDestruction]

at this point, we know so little about earth's natural history that it's difficult to say anything with the least bit of certainty.

[kingpinnn]

it is completely possible...there is evidence of it in history books and prehistoric texts...there have been batteries found from thousands of years ago

[Perseus]

it is completely possible...there is evidence of it in history books and prehistoric texts...there have been batteries found from thousands of years ago

Um, wrong thread there, buddy.

[Disco Jones]

it is completely possible...there is evidence of it in history books and prehistoric texts...there have been batteries found from thousands of years ago

why

why do you have to be one of those people

"hmm some pretty neat-o feats of engineering and art by ancient civilizations...probably helped by aliens!"

[Ryhanna]

I think we should kind of look back to ancient societies like the Egyptians, aztects and mayans. They have the weirdest drawings and were a lot
more advanced than we think. It's possible that their gods and odd drawings could have been aliens.

as for the microscopic life thing... It's definatley possible

[Perseus]

Um, wrong thread there, buddy.

I think we should kind of look back to ancient societies like the Egyptians, aztects and mayans. They have the weirdest drawings and were a lot
more advanced than we think. It's possible that their gods and odd drawings could have been aliens.

as for the microscopic life thing... It's definatley possible

This is definitely not the debate.

[Disco Jones]

I don't understand how you go from "The Mayans were advanced and had weird drawings" to "Aliens!" Life hitching here on a meteor or sent here by aliens is also a pretty weird and roundabout way to explain life when you have perfectly reasonable terrestrial theories.

It's like observing a falling rock and concluding that an invisible angel smacks it down.

[kingpinnn]

why

why do you have to be one of those people

"hmm some pretty neat-o feats of engineering and art by ancient civilizations...probably helped by aliens!"

i am not saying that that is how it happened i am saying it is a possibility...read a book called chariots of the gods and a show called ancient aliens...it presents evidence for the possibility of aliens brining life to earth...i personally believe in the theory of evolution.

[Disco Jones]

I know what you're referring to and I can apply their same logic to great feats of engineering like the Panama Canal and the art that existed at that time. It's just as possible that aliens helped us there.

[kingpinnn]

I know what you're referring to and I can apply their same logic to great feats of engineering like the Panama Canal and the art that existed at that time. It's just as possible that aliens helped us there.

i agree

[HillBillyWilly]

Even though i don't beleive it myself, consider this.

God creates us, but also creates us in another galaxy, such as andromeda, we have no idea each other exist, but for one, things go differently. Maybe for the andromedans, Countries don't exist and they were provided with star travel technology from the beggining of their time, and are all one large nation spanning the entire galaxy. Whilst us, the Milky Way inhabitants, are still conducting tests on Mars, the closest planet to us.

Maybe in another galaxy still, humans aren't even human anymore and have unnatural powers defying the laws of physics and they physically could not exist here.

OR

there is a race of supreme overlords, each assigned to it's own galaxy in the endless universe.

These overlords at first create life and then create a religion based around themselves, hence the theories of gods and goddesses. Then, these overseers vanish, but still control the entire galaxy, and maybe decide to create life similar to themselves but with less power to do most of their job. this super-race would have unlimited access to any resources they might need, and are in charge of keeping the cycle of life going on in the galaxy.

Perhaps the super-race in the Milky Way is unhappy with being the overlords of bacteria and animals. so they gather Archaebacteria as we know it, and then send it on a crash course with the planet Earth, wiping out the dinosaurs that they got bored of cleaning up after. they then exstensivley mod the DNA in the Bacterial cells Nuclei so that it can bond together to create multi-cell organism. once the first advanced things are formed the overseers take the life form and conduct tests on it, and make it human.

Then they queitly oversee all human activity and when necessary, modify them more to better suit thier progress.

For example. when the human race is in the Neanderthal stage, they take a mass of cavemen, and teach them language and how to make fire, domesticate animals, and farm. they also rewrite the overlord race's imprint of godliness, replacing it with thier own. This transforms the Neaderthals into the Cro-Magnons. A huge cultural and intelligence jump for humans.

after the Cro-Magnons, they mod them more to create culture and spread them around the world. this makes the next giant leap into civilization in years.

think about it

[Disco Jones]

Science fiction is fun, yes.

[Marcie]

Well, first off, if you're a religious fanatic, leave your religion at the door and think without the religion.
Leaving it at the door. lol


All right, well, what do you guys think about the theory that life(microscopic) could have possibly hitched a ride on a meteor and crashed here on Earth starting life, not just by some chemical reaction or a god doing his thing?
I don't think that's very likely. what about the heat of entering the atmosphere? Wouldn't that kill what ever organism that is 'riding' on the meteor? The what about the collision of the meteor and Earth? If the heat didn't kill what ever hitched a ride wouldn't that kill it? Also, where did that organism come from in the first place?


Also, on this note, what do you guys think about an intelligent civilization sending out this concept of life just because they wanted to?
I don't know exactly what you're saying here

[HillBillyWilly]

I think he means what if another intelligent race more advanced than we, just decided to send out some microbes for the fun of it to see what would happen when they put them on Earth

[kingpinnn]

I don't think that's very likely. what about the heat of entering the atmosphere? Wouldn't that kill what ever organism that is 'riding' on the meteor? The what about the collision of the meteor and Earth? If the heat didn't kill what ever hitched a ride wouldn't that kill it? Also, where did that organism come from in the first place?

Astrobiologists are particularly interested in studying extremophiles as many organisms of this type are capable of surviving in environments similar to those known to exist on other planets. Some organisms have been shown to be more resistant to extreme conditions than previously recognized, and may be able to survive for very long periods of time, probably even in deep space and, hypothetically, could travel in a dormant state between environments suitable for ongoing life.

Some bacteria and animals have been found to thrive in oceanic hydrothermal vents above 100 °C; a study revealed that a fraction of bacteria survive heating pulses up to 250°C in vacuum, while similar heating at normal atmospheric pressure leads to the total sterilization of samples. Other bacteria can thrive in strongly caustic environments, others at extreme pressures 11 km under the ocean, while others survive in extremely dry, desiccating conditions, frigid cold, vacuum or acid environments. Survival in space is not limited to bacteria, lichens or archea: the animal Tardigrade has been proven to survive the vacuum of space.

Recent experiments suggest that if bacteria were somehow sheltered from the radiation of space, perhaps inside a thick meteoroid or an icy comet, they could survive dormant for millions of years. Deinococcus radiodurans is a radioresistant bacterium that can survive high radiation levels. Duplicating the harsh conditions of cold interstellar space in their laboratory, NASA scientists have created primitive vesicles that mimic some aspects of the membraneous structures found in all living things. These chemical compounds may have played a part in the origin of life.

Endospores can survive without nutrients. They are resistant to ultraviolet radiation, desiccation, high temperature, and chemical disinfectants. Common anti-bacterial agents that work by destroying vegetative cell walls don't work on endospores. Endospores are commonly found in soil and water, where they may survive for long periods of time.

[Disco Jones]

if you're just going to copy and paste from somewhere can it at least not be wikipedia

[Peace God]

I don't think that's very likely. what about the heat of entering the atmosphere? Wouldn't that kill what ever organism that is 'riding' on the meteor? The what about the collision of the meteor and Earth? If the heat didn't kill what ever hitched a ride wouldn't that kill it? Also, where did that organism come from in the first place?

....
It's still plausible... some things can still be preserved after they enter the earth's atmosphere.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6660045/Bacteria-from-Mars-found-inside-ancient-meteorite.html
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=157
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremophile

[Kohta]

Even though i don't beleive it myself, consider this.

God creates us, but also creates us in another galaxy, such as andromeda, we have no idea each other exist, but for one, things go differently. Maybe for the andromedans, Countries don't exist and they were provided with star travel technology from the beggining of their time, and are all one large nation spanning the entire galaxy. Whilst us, the Milky Way inhabitants, are still conducting tests on Mars, the closest planet to us.

Maybe in another galaxy still, humans aren't even human anymore and have unnatural powers defying the laws of physics and they physically could not exist here.


Thats pretty much the Multiverse theory, that space goes on for infinite and that their may be many dimensions where everything possible has happened.
Just without the whole god created us part.

[Perseus]

Perhaps the super-race in the Milky Way is unhappy with being the overlords of bacteria and animals. so they gather Archaebacteria as we know it, and then send it on a crash course with the planet Earth, wiping out the dinosaurs that they got bored of cleaning up after. they then exstensivley mod the DNA in the Bacterial cells Nuclei so that it can bond together to create multi-cell organism. once the first advanced things are formed the overseers take the life form and conduct tests on it, and make it human.

Then they queitly oversee all human activity and when necessary, modify them more to better suit thier progress.

For example. when the human race is in the Neanderthal stage, they take a mass of cavemen, and teach them language and how to make fire, domesticate animals, and farm. they also rewrite the overlord race's imprint of godliness, replacing it with thier own. This transforms the Neaderthals into the Cro-Magnons. A huge cultural and intelligence jump for humans.

after the Cro-Magnons, they mod them more to create culture and spread them around the world. this makes the next giant leap into civilization in years.

think about it

Neanderthals were a whole separate species. And the whole dinosaur thing didn't make sense.

[Sage]

Even though i don't beleive it myself, consider this.

God creates us, but also creates us in another galaxy, such as andromeda, we have no idea each other exist, but for one, things go differently. Maybe for the andromedans, Countries don't exist and they were provided with star travel technology from the beggining of their time, and are all one large nation spanning the entire galaxy. Whilst us, the Milky Way inhabitants, are still conducting tests on Mars, the closest planet to us.

Maybe in another galaxy still, humans aren't even human anymore and have unnatural powers defying the laws of physics and they physically could not exist here.

OR

there is a race of supreme overlords, each assigned to it's own galaxy in the endless universe.

These overlords at first create life and then create a religion based around themselves, hence the theories of gods and goddesses. Then, these overseers vanish, but still control the entire galaxy, and maybe decide to create life similar to themselves but with less power to do most of their job. this super-race would have unlimited access to any resources they might need, and are in charge of keeping the cycle of life going on in the galaxy.

Perhaps the super-race in the Milky Way is unhappy with being the overlords of bacteria and animals. so they gather Archaebacteria as we know it, and then send it on a crash course with the planet Earth, wiping out the dinosaurs that they got bored of cleaning up after. they then exstensivley mod the DNA in the Bacterial cells Nuclei so that it can bond together to create multi-cell organism. once the first advanced things are formed the overseers take the life form and conduct tests on it, and make it human.

Then they queitly oversee all human activity and when necessary, modify them more to better suit thier progress.

For example. when the human race is in the Neanderthal stage, they take a mass of cavemen, and teach them language and how to make fire, domesticate animals, and farm. they also rewrite the overlord race's imprint of godliness, replacing it with thier own. This transforms the Neaderthals into the Cro-Magnons. A huge cultural and intelligence jump for humans.

after the Cro-Magnons, they mod them more to create culture and spread them around the world. this makes the next giant leap into civilization in years.

think about it

Cool story bro.

[Marcie]

Astrobiologists are particularly interested in studying extremophiles as many organisms of this type are capable of surviving in environments similar to those known to exist on other planets. Some organisms have been shown to be more resistant to extreme conditions than previously recognized, and may be able to survive for very long periods of time, probably even in deep space and, hypothetically, could travel in a dormant state between environments suitable for ongoing life.

Some bacteria and animals have been found to thrive in oceanic hydrothermal vents above 100 °C; a study revealed that a fraction of bacteria survive heating pulses up to 250°C in vacuum, while similar heating at normal atmospheric pressure leads to the total sterilization of samples. Other bacteria can thrive in strongly caustic environments, others at extreme pressures 11 km under the ocean, while others survive in extremely dry, desiccating conditions, frigid cold, vacuum or acid environments. Survival in space is not limited to bacteria, lichens or archea: the animal Tardigrade has been proven to survive the vacuum of space.

Recent experiments suggest that if bacteria were somehow sheltered from the radiation of space, perhaps inside a thick meteoroid or an icy comet, they could survive dormant for millions of years. Deinococcus radiodurans is a radioresistant bacterium that can survive high radiation levels. Duplicating the harsh conditions of cold interstellar space in their laboratory, NASA scientists have created primitive vesicles that mimic some aspects of the membraneous structures found in all living things. These chemical compounds may have played a part in the origin of life.

Endospores can survive without nutrients. They are resistant to ultraviolet radiation, desiccation, high temperature, and chemical disinfectants. Common anti-bacterial agents that work by destroying vegetative cell walls don't work on endospores. Endospores are commonly found in soil and water, where they may survive for long periods of time.

Hmm, that is very interesting.. I suppose it could be possible that something might have come on an astroid/meteor..