Should drugs be legal?

[TheWizard]

I think drugs should be legal,

[Jono]

I don't, I am glad they are not, they are killers. A few moments of pleasure is worth risking your entire life? If you think that then issues need to be sorted out.

[Doug]

Where do you get "Drugs should be legal" from?!?!?!?!

[Dfsg]

I think some of the legal drugs should be illegal, and some of the illegal drugs should be legal...

[Anonymous]

You would have to be careful, a lot of the illegal drugs are illegal for a reason. We have enough of a problem with alcohol, if drugs got legal we would start "binge taking" them aswell and all would be bad.

At the moment lots of people take them but to avoid getting caught they don't go out in public when they do. So I think keeping the laws at least stop un-ruely behaviour, again like the problem with alcohol.

So yea, I'm not against some drugs, maybe just making the laws a bit more loose so we can get them into the country easier :wink:

[TheWizard]

I think weed should be legal.

[Anonymous]

I think weed should be legal.

Now that I do agree with!

[AC.wAkeBoArDin.06]

ok i dont do drugs at all but i think they should be legal because...not only would america get money from it (taxes) people are still gunna get it ne ways if they dont....

[teenboy9]

Why we have the laws is because ya some people would do it anyway, but because it makes it harder to use, and sell. If there were no laws, there would be more drug usage, and ya weed does not seem so bad, but when my friends boyfriend comes after her with an electric drill because of a Cocaine addiction, I am not in favor of taking away these laws. Weed has long term effects with continued usage. Over time peoples modivation to do things goes down. Studies have shown that it can cause people to move slower and not be able to think as fast. At least in this case I have to agree that keeping these laws is whats best for the nation, and for the health of its people.

[Waiting]

its like drink, if it was made legal, it wudnt be a problem with teenagers cuz it wudnt be breaking the rules, so it wudnt be rebelling.

[AC.wAkeBoArDin.06]

yeah...kids would stop getting drunk as much cause kids see it as its not fun ne more cause its not illegal

[Anonymous]

I get really badly drunk even though it's kinda legal. So I see your reasoning but don't think it would work.

[roxy4sixty9]

i think if things were legel then kids wouldnt do it as much

[teenboy9]

I agree that we should have drinking ages reduced bellow the teenage years, or taken away. My friend has known this girl from france for most of her life, they are good friends. She came into the states, and she was saying that teenage drinking is not a big problem because it has always been allowed. Teenagers look for ways to rebell, and if the adults say no, its a thing that teenagers want to do. But if they say ya, you can drink, its no longer rebelling. Yes some people will drink too much, but their going to do that either way.

[Katie]

No I don't think they should.

[Dfsg]

There are so many drugs that are manufactured by the drug companies that are killers.

Then look at ecstasy- there are very few deaths related to it, less than most pharmasutical drugs, and it has less side effects than anti-depressants (and works better).

Marajuana is an awesome drug that has been used medicinally much longer than it has been illegal. The only reason it is illegal is because it is a plant, and the drug companies can't patent it, or make any money off of it (The stuff grows anywhere...)

Cocaine and Ritalin are (interestingly enough)basically the same thing. Ritalin is only less addictive, yet it is still sold at schools. If it is snorted, it is much worse for you than cocaine.

The government needs to make some things illegal, and some things legal. I wish I were at the head of the FDA...

[teenboy9]

Wow I never knew you were so liberal. Weed for medical purposes I can understand, but not casual use. Also there are a good number of deaths each year in clubs from kids doing ecstasy either from not getting enough water (because you can dry out quickly on E) or if the pill is mixed with something else can also cause death. Now if it was legal and mass marketed, then you would not have to worry about the latter, but I see no good reason to make it legal. Almost all drugs have negative long term effects, and I do not see why its a good idea to make people unheathy. (Unless it can be used for a medical purpose, but then it still would be for short term use, only given out by doctors.

[AC.wAkeBoArDin.06]

nice anaysis dude

[SexyMermaidLady]

I think medical marijuana should be legal.

[Firestar]

I thought medicinal marijuana was legal... well it is here in Oregon anyway. You get a green card or something and they let you grow a certain amount of plants for your own use.

[Dfsg]

Wow I never knew you were so liberal. Weed for medical purposes I can understand, but not casual use. Also there are a good number of deaths each year in clubs from kids doing ecstasy either from not getting enough water (because you can dry out quickly on E) or if the pill is mixed with something else can also cause death. Now if it was legal and mass marketed, then you would not have to worry about the latter, but I see no good reason to make it legal. Almost all drugs have negative long term effects, and I do not see why its a good idea to make people unheathy. (Unless it can be used for a medical purpose, but then it still would be for short term use, only given out by doctors.

Well, it's slightly less than a "good number". The problem with ecstasy is not the drug, but the fact that people take it at large raves. In a place that is already hot and sweaty, you don't want a drug that raises your body temperature. If used correctly, it works better than any antidepressant, and any side effects go away soon after discontinuing the drugs. New York had a whopping 2 deaths due to ecstasy last year. Other antidepressant type drugs are causing many more problems, and have many more deaths.

[Waiting]

true. the only problem is wen you mix it with booze

[Frªñk]

Hmmmmmmmm drugs should be legal but only to people who are sensible and know all the risks etc. I believe people should have a choice but if they are too young or too ignorant to understand what they are doing then they shouldn't.

[Dfsg]

true. the only problem is wen you mix it with booze

Yeah... But that's the case with lots of drugs, legal and illegal. I personally would rather people take homeopathic remedies than ecstasy or antidepressants. But that's just me :D

[UnreflectedMirror]

Well, I think that drugs should be legal. Alcohol is, in many cases, just as harmful or more harmful to others (while you are inebriated). If you want to mess yourself up, go ahead! We are more dangerous drunk in a car than high in a car.

[SocKs]

theyre illegal for a purpose

[teenboy9]

Dfsg, your right it is not many people, but when one of those people turns out to be someone you know, thats one person too many. I think any drug that can be more beneficial then harmful for a medical use should be allowed. But people are not very responsible all the time, and with use of a drug like E is all to easy to end badly. There is no reason to put people in harms way like that, there is no reason to change that state wide yearly death number from 2 to 10.

[Jono]

Dfsg, your right it is not many people, but when one of those people turns out to be someone you know, thats one person too many. I think any drug that can be more beneficial then harmful for a medical use should be allowed. But people are not very responsible all the time, and with use of a drug like E is all to easy to end badly. There is no reason to put people in harms way like that, there is no reason to change that state wide yearly death number from 2 to 10.

I totally back up that comment.

[teenboy9]

Ok, you said you disagree, but then you said the same thing I said. Well a thousand deaths is a lot, and the few hundreds of the people that each drug user knows will cry. Not to mention the protest of many parents worried that their child may try E. (And if you know what the average parent is like, thats a lot of protest) Thats a lot of screams and tears, and all that put to the side, we cant argue about something and be like, "No one is going to miss a few thousand dead." I may have taken your post in the wrong way.

[boognish]

i think that drugs should be legal. if drinking and smoking are legal drugs than coke and weed should too. also todays society is rebelious and where there are rules there is a rebel waiting to break it. get rid of the rule and soon it becomes a lost fad...you see if the gov. hadnt made it illegal in the height of the hippe fad it would have left with it. also kids can die quicker on other drugs than weed. cough syrup for example, if drinken in large amounts you can get a buzz, but you have a higher risk of dieng than if you jumped in front of a semi. so just make them legal. thank you

[RunAwayMolly]

I think weed should be legal.

Agreed, but thats it. Hard drugs, stay illegal like coke and glass. Those are a deffinate no.

[Dfsg]

Back on the ecstasy topic for a moment, Yes, I would be very upset if my best friend was one of the two people to die from the ecstasy.

Yet, if my friend took effexor, or Paxil, or Zoloft, they would have a much higher chance of death. Just look at the reports.

The FDA lied to us about ecstasy (go figure). The best reports they have on ecstasy resulted from a scientist studying crystal meth in mice. And Crystal meth is not ecstasy. When scientists did do unpublished reports on it, it was much less damaging than most other things we decide to put in our bodies.

[teenboy9]

Well if this is true (and I trust it is) then I cant honestly argue the E angle either way. But some people keep saying basically, [this drug. or drinking ] is legal and its bad, so since thats legal, so should other bad stuff. All drugs are not all the same. Withdrawl from coke can feel like someone taking away the closest person you know. That feeling is incrediblly different then other kinds of drugs, you cant blanket all these substances in one pile and say since some are legal, all should be. There is something called a responsible drinker, and to an extent, there is something called a responsible drug user. But once something becomes an addiction, you can no longer be in control and no longer be responsible.

[Shaolin]

true. the only problem is wen you mix it with booze

Yeah... But that's the case with lots of drugs, legal and illegal. I personally would rather people take homeopathic remedies than ecstasy or antidepressants. But that's just me :D

Hahahah!

Have you seen someone on E? That's not treating depression that's over kill! :lol:

[gonova]

I think drug shold be legaal let pepople do what thay want is long as thay dont hur t any one but them self

[Dfsg]

true. the only problem is wen you mix it with booze

Yeah... But that's the case with lots of drugs, legal and illegal. I personally would rather people take homeopathic remedies than ecstasy or antidepressants. But that's just me :D

Hahahah!

Have you seen someone on E? That's not treating depression that's over kill! :lol:

Yet it was used as an anti-depressant many years before ecstasy was all over the news for being so harmful. People recover from their seretonin deficiency much quicky after taking ecstasy than other anti-depressants. It has a lot of benefits over anti-depressants.

[Shaolin]

What i meant by over kill is, if you have seen someone on E, they are so happy they will hug a stranger. Then the next day its a huge harsh comedown.


I personally think all drugs should be legal, i smoke weed more than once a week and i find it way more beneficial than dangerous, it opens your mind, gives you ideas you would never have (brilliant for creative inspiration), makes it way more fun to be around people, everything is slightly more comical than usual, the bad side is feeling tired afterwards and hunger (although i dont count that as bad, its a side effect and i love eating).

It's really not as bad as the DEA like to make it out to be.

[kjfp2008]

I think drugs should not be legal because they will be the downfall of our society and crime will increase alot and will just cause lots of problems

[Anonymous]

lol if you want them to be ligal then become pres. and make them ligal wiz

[Shaolin]

I think drugs should not be legal because they will be the downfall of our society and crime will increase alot and will just cause lots of problems

Care to explain how?

Infact, if drugs were regulated, produced and controlled by the government, we would know by law exactly what would be in them, addicts could get their fix without dieing (at treatment centres) and the economy would just go up and up, because taxing drugs = money.

Amsterdam is a prime example of where this is working well. You don't see terrorist uprisings and drugged up hippys with machine guns mowing down families and what not. :P

[Shaolin]

On the subject of using E as an anti-depressant, its simply not conventional. You think someone who wants to goto school and take their medication for depression, is supposed to be enjoying a very VERY HUGE euphoria, and yes, no matter how hot the rave is E de-hydrates you, without a rave. I know from first hand experiance, not reports on the internet.

[Dfsg]

Well, thats why someone in serious depression could take monitored by a doctor, and not have much of a chance of adverse effects.

I'm not trying to promote it, though. I still would rather use homeopathy for depression :P

I'm just saying that the government lied to us about it's risks. One study was suposedly about the effects of ecstasy, but the scientist doing the study was actually studying crystal meth! That is really why people say it is terribly bad. It was the basis of a report Dateline with Peter Jennings. I found it very interesting.

[Shaolin]

Your country gives me the impression that things like that can go "un noticed", are you leaders so dumb they think the population will believe anything and everything?

Over here, if our leaders say something that pisses off the people we would have it all over the paper. If something like that happened it would be headline news for a few days.

[Dfsg]

We get upset about whoever is president, and the elected guys, but we believe everything scientists and fashion magazines tell us. It's kinda sad.

[Shaolin]

Well if the subject is about Science, yeah i'd believe them more than the average Joe, but it was probably the government who propaganda-fied in the information.

[Express]

drugs are overrated. i think that drugs are a way to make people feel good about themselves but at the same time risking their life. but not only that. you are not only risking your life, but lives of others. when you are under the influence of drugs it may make you do some dumb things you would not do normally. as for the question of drugs being legal, i say:
NO

[Shaolin]

What drugs have you tried then?

And do you support alcohol being legal?

[Anonymous]

I think pot should be legal... I mean, just look at cigarettes! They're worse than pot but they're legal! As for the other drugs I don't know because I think they're really bad... who knows?

[Shaolin]

The difference between cigarettes and pot is pot gets you high, having a cigarette before driving is way safer than having a joint before driving. Really cigarettes do nothing but a very very mild relief. Pot is waaay more intense.

I think pot is safer than alcohol. Anyone who thinks otherwise try and proove it. How many people have died in the history of mankind, directly from an overdose of marijuana......0!

[Waiting]

in my eyes , i see nothing wrong with pot, as long as they have the same rules, like say no drink driving, no stoner driving. i love pot, its one of the only thing that actulary makes me happy

[Dfsg]

Hey, the United States lets you be on lots of drugs that you shouldn't drive while taking. Why is pot off the list? (although, I'm quite against it's being smoked, it can be used in other ways just as well)

[maximan]

i believe marijuianna should be legal. it is no worse than alcohol...in fact a high person is more attentive than a drunk person, not to mention that marijuianna can be used for medical purpouses as well.

As for LSD and cocaine and the such, those should be legal as they have huge lasting effects on the brain

Marijuianna has no proven long term effects on the brain...therefore its no worse than alcoholic beverages. look at the Netherlands...pot is legal there and the drinking age is 16, but its a very peaceful country.

[maximan]

LISTEN UP GOVERNMENT: LEGALIZE MARIJUANNA

[Casfetes]

ass. pot can't be legalized. it nevr will be. it does have lasting effects,

[maximan]

ass. pot can't be legalized. it nevr will be. it does have lasting effects,

really? name one.

[maximan]

there actually is no scientific proof that pot has any lasting effects on the brain. other drugs, such as LSD, cocaine, and crystal meth have been proven to alter the mind but pot has not been. same with alcohol...alcoholics may seem different but it is not proven that it has long term effects on the brain (except killing brain cells).

Therefore, its no worse than beer, and it would not be the downfall of our country.

[maximan]

i win :D

[Casfetes]

damnit! :evil: :P

[Julio caesar shavez the 4]

depends what kind i sont see ne thing rong with weed its better the n cigarets

[Whisper]

You dumbass drunk driving is a big enough problem could you imagine how many people would die cause some complete idiot decides to get high then go for a drive?!?

[Ravenous]

All drugs should be legal because then people would be less tempted to do them just because its illeagal,

[maximan]

You dumbass drunk driving is a big enough problem could you imagine how many people would die cause some complete idiot decides to get high then go for a drive?!?

If people could be responsible, that wouldn't be a problem. In the Netherlands they have pot legalized and therre are no problems, but I doubt that would work here because Americans are such dumb shits. I hate this country. :roll:

[Whisper]

You dumbass drunk driving is a big enough problem could you imagine how many people would die cause some complete idiot decides to get high then go for a drive?!?

If people could be responsible, that wouldn't be a problem. In the Netherlands they have pot legalized and therre are no problems, but I doubt that would work here because Americans are such dumb shits. I hate this country. :roll:

Agreed and I think it would be a rather embarrassingly large problem here in Canada too.

[boognish]

look at the3 neatherlands, all drugs legal: very low crime rate. why? every one is to stoned or busy working to commit crimes. driving drunk? well realize that at any givin time im quessing like lets say 1 mil people are drunk. half those people might drive 1,000 might die in that month. if you get drunk in a bar, your to drunk to find your keys, or else you can drive. you get high and try to drive to the store, well your to high to find your left shoe, so you wont find the keys, or the store for that matter. crime is caused by people trying to get drunk or high and the law stopping them. get rid of the law? less crime

[Shaolin]

All i know is, from personal experiance, from reading professional experiance and hearing other peoples experiances, over 4 years of taking drugs i believe drugs should be completly legal.

Im not just saying this because i do them, ive read both the pros and the cons. I look at most government information on drugs, all it says is "drugs will kill you" basically, with all the bad nasty side effects that rarely take place if you are using responsibly. It's like passing out leaflets saying "Alcohol makes you groggy, vomit, give you liver failure" rather than saying "alcohol is dangerous in large amounts in unstable environments, yet if used responsibly can promise you a sociable night with friends, and most of all a good time"...

Marijuana has LONG term effects, but not PERMANENT effects.

Ecxtasy, MDMA whatever - I've tried it about 5 times, each time was excellent, i was always very aware of the fact i had just taken a class A drug, so i was also very careful of not drinking too much or too little water. Aslong as you are properly hydrated on MDMA, really there is no danger. Pills cut with dirty toxic chemicals or other drugs are RARE, people don't do that. Most people know their drug dealers personally, why kill your customers?

I agree with Dfsg on this one MDMA should definatly be lega, if it hadn't been glamourised by the press as the next 'big drug' which was being mass produced and sold all over America without police being able to do anything. The government obviously noticed that a huge amount of these pills were just being dished out everywhere and it looked like a bad image of drug abuse wide spread and the government not doing a thing.

The same thing would have happened to any drug like alcohol for example.

If alcohol had been invented recently, it would probably be Shedule 1 or class A drug, if the government noticed that thousands of people were getting intoxicated on a substance openly in public and causing crime while drunk, they would have made it illegal, but its been legal for so long..

Anyone with anti drug stances i ask you these questions...

1. If drugs were legal, why would there be more crime, a worse society etc? Is it because you think someone who sniffs one line of cocaine turns into an automatic psychopath whos fisrt thought is to kill? - I think if drugs were legal you wouldn't have something called a drug dealer, who can contaminate your drugs (which is what alot of people are afraid of), who can fund other worse things with his drug money (like to buy a GUN? or build an ARMY?)

2. If drugs are bad? Why is alcohol legal? Alcohol is a drug!

in the governments eyes drugs are bad FULL stop, the drugs which are most available are most dangerous to your health in their eyes, cannabis is shedule 1, LSD is lower in the shedule i believe, LSD is far more damaging than cannabis, yet its much harder to obtain.

So the government likes to make you believe things that aren't true, i can't blame Americans for not having a mind of their own.

[matt36]

I agree with most of you...drugs should be illegal. Did any of you hear about this one doctor who is giving out cocaine to addicts? The doctor claims that it is to keep the dealers and addicts off the streets...What do you think about this doctor's decision?

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

drugs should be illegal, they are illegal, will always be illegal, and no matter how much you potheads rant the laws will never changes

[maximan]

I agree with most of you...drugs should be illegal. Did any of you hear about this one doctor who is giving out cocaine to addicts? The doctor claims that it is to keep the dealers and addicts off the streets...What do you think about this doctor's decision?

I don't think anyone here is supporting drug addiction, more like responsible usage. And myself, I see why cocaine and herione and others are illegal, they're highly addictive and can seriously shatter someones emotions. Pot isn't addictive and unless it's used too much (more than once a week, lets say) for a while, its fine.

drugs should be illegal, they are illegal, will always be illegal, and no matter how much you potheads rant the laws will never changes

So instead of presenting a real argument, you've decided to just accuse everyone of being potheads and be a bitch. I'm not a stupid pothead, I know exactly what I'm talking about.

[Ravenous]

drugs should be illegal, they are illegal, will always be illegal, and no matter how much you potheads rant the laws will never changes

Were not ranting and were not all potheads and were not asking for the law to be changed, we are expressing our opinions

[boognish]

also all the information about what pot and stuff does is biased, myth-based, and inadiquitly tested.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

^^^^ and you know this because you are a scientist and have done extensive testing yourself?

[boognish]

no because the scientists that did the experiments addmited that the information might be false, and all of the gov't reason for banning pot is myths.

[kevin]

depends what kind i sont see ne thing rong with weed its better the n cigarets

This might have to do with it being from august :P

[boognish]

what?

[Shaolin]

^^^^ and you know this because you are a scientist and have done extensive testing yourself?

Ah what a small mind we have here.

Did you know that President Nixon pooled a team of the USA's top notchys in research, scientists, mathematicians (statistics), psychologists etc to find out about the effects of smoking pot and make recommendations towards the drug law.

What did they say? They wanted complete legalisaton, they found many of the studies the government had 'funded' were biased, completly biased. No pot does NOT kill brain cells, pot does no permanent damge to harm.

No victim no Crime!!!

And i agree, i think a doctor should be able to prescribe heroin and cocaine, and yes it has been PROVEN to work that people who sell drugs who are established figures in society (eg coffeshops in amsterdam, heroin shooting galleries etc) that it cuts the dealer out of this, he doesnt make a profit, and the drug isnt contaminated.

I thought the US was all about freedom? Why is it you don't have the freedom to put whatever you want in your body. It perfectly fine to eat mcdonalds and ruin your body, smoke and ruin yoru body, drink alcohol, heck drink bleach, it will damage you? But having a little fun is against the law?

I see that as infringement on personal liberty and freedoms.

[Shaolin]

drugs should be illegal, they are illegal, will always be illegal, and no matter how much you potheads rant the laws will never changes

Rant and Rave all we will.

It's childish minds like you who are so naive and brainless that you can't form your own opinion. Yeah get all your information from the govenrment propaganda filling your classrooms, EVERYWhere you go.

Drugs are bad mmkay...! THey do this to you bad bad bad

I miss to see why they dont tell you the good things drugs give you? Tempting is it? Amotivational syndrome? oooo give a fancy scary pants scientific word for being stoned! smart US government there, using fear again to drive politics.

XTASY = BRAIN DEFF? OMGFZZZ?R! ....That might be what the government are telling you, but it's not the chief designer in the drug (Alexander Shulgin, Phd) - Who happens to have worked for the DEA, who said the drug does NO brain damage.

Challenge me on this issue and you cannot win. Facists, never win anyway.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

the only data you have on the effects of drugs are your personal experiences that they "make me feel good"

thats not data, thats nothing. in fact im not even going to fight this because im so tired.... ill probably post later and pwn u

[Shaolin]

the only data you have on the effects of drugs are your personal experiences that they "make me feel good"

thats not data, thats nothing. in fact im not even going to fight this because im so tired.... ill probably post later and pwn u

Funny that...The only data i have on the effects of drugs are my personal experiances?

I know the chemical structures and active ingredients of many of the drugs i have taken. I have read both biased and unbiased information.

The only information you appear to be getting is the whole drugs are bad mmkay argument put foreward to you in a few classes.

Care to pwn me on the issue of Cannabis, Tetrahydracannibol-delta-9 being the active ingredient which gets you 'high'.

Cannabis has been used for thousands of years...it's effects have been well known and documented from the start of mankind.

How many people have died from a toxic overdose of cannabis....0! thats right! 0!

[Shaolin]

Just because i smoke cannabis doesnt mean i don't know it can be harmful if used irresponsably, just like you can use alcohol irresponsibly and die from liver failure, withdrawl, get permenanet liver damage, addiction potential extremly high (especially in comparison to Marijuana).

Cannabis has bad effects too, but these only occur in a minority of users (just like in alcohol users) and usually result from irresponsible out of hand use.

Which soudns safer? Drinking a litre of whisky in 5minutes? Or smoking an ounce of cannabis in 5minutes, which is a huge amount.

Cannabis impairs short term memory, this is because dopamine the brains natural reward chemical floods the memory neurons, yet this is a temporary effect of using cannabis in high doses for a long period of time, and dissapears (as indicated even by government funded studies).

There are no long term irreversable effects of cannabis.

Smoking tobacco can give you cancer of all sorts, drinking alcohol can give you permanent liver damage.

Now tell me why is cannabis illegal and alcohol not? I know the answer but do you? Im expecting the "drugs are bad mmkay" response, along with "mm alcohol is not a drug mmkay".

Consider yourself pwned.

[Shaolin]

Have a crack at this one!

Known drug-related deaths in the UK, 1990

Tobacco 110,000
Alcohol 30,000
Volatile Substances 112
Morphine 91
Methadone 84
Heroin 62
Barbiturate type 7
Anti-depressants 4
Cocaine 4
Pethidine 3
MDMA (ecstasy) 3
Amphetamine type 2
Hallucinogens 0
LSD 0
Psylocibin 0
Cannabis 0

Sources:
Home Office Statistical Unit.
MDMA - Dr Russell Newcombe, Manchester University.
Tobacco - British Lung Foundation.
Alcohol - Department of Health.

http://www.ukcia.org/research/DrugRelatedDeathsUK1990.html

Now...care to pwn me even more so?

[Ravenous]

Jeezus christ shaolin, an ounce in five minutes? :O :!: :shock: I wouldnt do an ounce in a day! ffs id be soo wrecked i wuldnt be able to stay awake for several days, one fatty will do me :D

[maximan]

the only data you have on the effects of drugs are your personal experiences that they "make me feel good"

thats not data, thats nothing. in fact im not even going to fight this because im so tired.... ill probably post later and pwn u

I wrote a paper on why pot should be legal. And guess what, I have TONS of data. Check it out, and I'm afriad you're the one who got pwned.


http://www.geocities.com/silverpaw750/marijuana.doc

[Dante]

drugs are bad.....u might like it,, but ill mess u up in the long run. It should remain ilegal, and i hate the whole xcuse that if ur bi-polar u could do weed, thats not a freakin excuse.

[Shaolin]

drugs are bad.....u might like it,, but ill mess u up in the long run. It should remain ilegal, and i hate the whole xcuse that if ur bi-polar u could do weed, thats not a freakin excuse.

Drugs are bad for what reason? Is it because -

People take them for recreation? If that's the case - ban chocolate, ban alcohol, ban cigarettes, ban Salvia, ban Quat, ban caffeine.....etc

Because they are addictive? - if thats the case - ban nicotene, ban chocolate, ban caffeine, ban alcohol, ban pain killers.....etc

They do you harm in the long term - Interesting statement, yes some drugs are dangerous if used abusivly in high doses.

Because they lead to harder drugs - in that case - ban alcohol, ban cigarettes...etc

The truth is the drug war is extremly biased, the government is feeding lies. Cannabis use destroys brain cells......yes....in toxic doses well above the range of practical application in rats! oooo rats...they are ever so similiar to the human brain.

[Shaolin]

The drug war CANNOT be won. In no way, no matter how strict the penalties people will indulge in the freedom to ingest whatever they want, wether it be bleach or heroin. The law cant stop that.


Guess what people - Holland has one of the lowest class A drug useages in Europe. The UK has the highest!

In Holland you can goto a clinic and inject heroin under supervision of medical professionals, with clean needles etc

The problem with keeping drugs illegal is, it keeps them in the black market - many bad people are making alot of money out of selling impure drugs and using that money to fund whatever the fuck they want, wars, guns whatever...

The truth is, as shown by example in Holland - Criminilsation of users does NOT work, it makse the situation worse. Addiction is a real problem, and you cannot simply clean the streets of drugs, if people want to use them they can make them in their houses or grow them or goto coutnries where they are legal!

People who are addicted to hard drugs have a dependancy and many would admit they don't like it, and want to stop. But having to pay high prices for drugs you need (or you DIE - heroin withdrawl for example) you can goto great lengths to get that money, like mug or kill someone.

Giving people Methadone for heroin addiction has helped the problem especially in the US, and the government is afraid to admit it.

That they are wasting tax payer money on a war no one can ever win. The battles already lost, drugs will exist laws or no laws, police or no police.

You can't stop people from living 'alternate' lifestyles just because YOU dont agree with it.

OPEN YOUR MIND!

[maximan]

drugs are bad.....u might like it,, but ill mess u up in the long run. It should remain ilegal, and i hate the whole xcuse that if ur bi-polar u could do weed, thats not a freakin excuse.

I just posted a paper completely disproving that marijuana is bad, and you still use the same stupid stubborn arguement? Wow, thats intelligent

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

drugs are bad.....u might like it,, but ill mess u up in the long run. It should remain ilegal, and i hate the whole xcuse that if ur bi-polar u could do weed, thats not a freakin excuse.

I just posted a paper completely disproving that marijuana is bad, and you still use the same stupid stubborn arguement? Wow, thats intelligent

Oh and your paper disproves the FDA and all the scientists and doctors in the world (who are surely smarter than you because they have been through med school)

[maximan]

drugs are bad.....u might like it,, but ill mess u up in the long run. It should remain ilegal, and i hate the whole xcuse that if ur bi-polar u could do weed, thats not a freakin excuse.

I just posted a paper completely disproving that marijuana is bad, and you still use the same stupid stubborn arguement? Wow, thats intelligent

Oh and your paper disproves the FDA and all the scientists and doctors in the world (who are surely smarter than you because they have been through med school)

If you'd have read the paper, you'd notice most of my sources are from doctoral studies and medical websites, and professional studies. And the FDA? It's controlled by the government, who blatently lies about the effects of marijuana. If you honestly think at this point that the government is honest, then you need more schooling. Plus, the government hasn't studied marijuana since the 1960's, and refuse to update their information, which was conducted when the government was trying to find an excuse to oust hippies.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

The main active chemical in marijuana is THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol). Researchers have found that THC changes the way in which sensory information gets into and is acted on by the hippocampus. This is a component of the brain's limbic system that is crucial for learning, memory, and the integration of sensory experiences with emotions and motivations. Investigations have shown that THC suppresses neurons in the information-processing system of the hippocampus. In addition, researchers have discovered that learned behaviors, which depend on the hippocampus, also deteriorate.

Thats an excerpt from http://www.theantidrug.com/drug_info/drug-info-marijuana.asp, which can't possibly be controlled by the government nor blatent liars like your bullshit paper does a bad job of trying to prove.

[boognish]

funny, that page doesnt exist. plus i would also like to say that i dont trust the fda for anything. they approved asbestos, tin houses, and the pipes that corroded. those "tests" were done on rats not humans. rats and humans, to my knologe, have very different motabolisms, and brain size. so i fattie for a human in a mouse, will fuck its ass up. but a scale fattie, the mouse will just chill out for like a hour.

[maximan]

The main active chemical in marijuana is THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol). Researchers have found that THC changes the way in which sensory information gets into and is acted on by the hippocampus. This is a component of the brain's limbic system that is crucial for learning, memory, and the integration of sensory experiences with emotions and motivations. Investigations have shown that THC suppresses neurons in the information-processing system of the hippocampus. In addition, researchers have discovered that learned behaviors, which depend on the hippocampus, also deteriorate.

Thats an excerpt from http://www.theantidrug.com/drug_info/drug-info-marijuana.asp, which can't possibly be controlled by the government nor blatent liars like your bullshit paper does a bad job of trying to prove.

Didn't I just talk about how government research is biased, out of date, and plain wrong? And how I have proof in my paper that their research has been disproved tons of times? And yet your best arguement is still to link to government propaganda, let alone a page that doesnt exist? Wow. Great arguement you've got going.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

wow take the fucking comma off the end of the fucking link, you fucking retard. anyone with half a brain could figure out the comma wasnt meant to be in the link, seeing how its not a recognized symbol in a url. good job fuckhead, i want you to personnally disprove what i posted and everything on that website. i want u to personally prove the government lies, without using any outside sources

[boognish]

wow take the fucking comma off the end of the fucking link, you fucking retard. anyone with half a brain could figure out the comma wasnt meant to be in the link, seeing how its not a recognized symbol in a url. good job fuckhead, i want you to personnally disprove what i posted and everything on that website. i want u to personally prove the government lies, without using any outside sources

guess what numbnuts? you put the comma there

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

but did i have the intention of it being automatically turned into a link? no

[maximan]

wow take the fucking comma off the end of the fucking link, you fucking retard. anyone with half a brain could figure out the comma wasnt meant to be in the link, seeing how its not a recognized symbol in a url. good job fuckhead, i want you to personnally disprove what i posted and everything on that website. i want u to personally prove the government lies, without using any outside sources

Um, I can't disprove it without outside scientific studies, becuase I don't have tons of patients to test. Dumbass.

Have you even read my paper? If you had, you'd realize every one of my sources is completely legitamate, and they all are against what the government preaches. Dumbass.

[Dante]

drugs harm people. and t leads to people down fall, look at all those crack heads out there.

[maximan]

drugs harm people. and t leads to people down fall, look at all those crack heads out there.

Yeah...um crack is terrible for you. So is LSD. So is Cocaine. THese have been proven to be terrible for you. But Marijuana is actually less harmful than tobacco and/or alcohol.

[Kiros]

yes and no...

in a sense, yes, because they can relax people and there are actually many legal drugs, but even those that are illegal can help people.

For those in depression, a stimulant or a narcotic might do the trick temporarily. For those that are too hyper, a depresant might be helpful.

But yet, theres something just wrong about hearing "Hey nurse, can ya light me up blount?"

:? besides, drugs can be addictive and can cause brain and other body system damage.

So, like I said, yes and no... :)

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

drugs are bad. ask your teacher if they are good. ask your mom if they are good. ask your doctor if they are good. ask your councelor if they are good. if all those people say its fine, ill believe u

[Julio caesar shavez the 4]

no what about advile

[Shaolin]

drugs are bad. ask your teacher if they are good. ask your mom if they are good. ask your doctor if they are good. ask your councelor if they are good. if all those people say its fine, ill believe u

Ask them if nicotene and alcohol is good for you. Of course they will say no it's not it's bad for you. The difference is these substances are legal.

Some drugs are good for you.

Look at studies into MDMA (Ecstasy).

and if you are to believe everyting you hear, you are never going to see the world for what it really is.

Unbiased scientific data points out that Cannabis is very safe and beneign.

Cosmos your argument is pretty crap, back it up with statistics and real solid scientific information like i have and i might take you more seriously.

All the anti-drugs crap in this thread is about the reasoning level of a 10 year old. I have backed myself up, with real proof. Until you do that, your argument is nothing.

[Shaolin]

drugs harm people. and t leads to people down fall, look at all those crack heads out there.

Yes....but i was talking about cannabis specifically.

Look at those alcoholics out there!

look at those dirty smokers...

Get my drift?

[Shaolin]

The main active chemical in marijuana is THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol). Researchers have found that THC changes the way in which sensory information gets into and is acted on by the hippocampus. This is a component of the brain's limbic system that is crucial for learning, memory, and the integration of sensory experiences with emotions and motivations. Investigations have shown that THC suppresses neurons in the information-processing system of the hippocampus. In addition, researchers have discovered that learned behaviors, which depend on the hippocampus, also deteriorate.

Thats an excerpt from http://www.theantidrug.com/drug_info/drug-info-marijuana.asp, which can't possibly be controlled by the government nor blatent liars like your bullshit paper does a bad job of trying to prove.

Im guessing your about 12 years old. You obviously haven't had enough history lessons. Look up propaganda in the dictionary, and how governments use it. George Bush and hte US government are using black propaganda in everything from War to immigration to drugs, everything!

Hardly unbiased scientific data, it made me laugh how the URL was "theantidrug".

And if you think the govenrment tell the truth all the time you are extrmely naive.

Yes cannabis use does have an effect on the brain, of course it does thats the point of it. But so does alcohol and a wide range of legal substances.
Show me a website that says it does 'permanent damage' and only permanent.

You don't understand anything about drugs kid.

If your dumb enough to believe cannabis causes brain damage, as the government likes to point you towards believing (but cant actually say it flat out as it would be BLATENT black propaganda)...

Then the 1 in 3 people who have used the substance would have some kind of brain damage and resulting brain disorder. Hmm 33.33% of the population brain damaged.....Hardly.

Keep your mind open, don't believe the first thing you hear and you won't be so easily fooled by the first thing you hear. Because thats what the pump your head with from a young age, drugs are BAAAD mmmmkay kids!!!

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

what is the purpose of government propagana in this issue? are they lying to us because they are mean mean people who dont like you?

[Anonymous]

the only reson drugs are illegal, such as marijuana, is beacause the government cant make a profit off of them ebacuase they too ez to grow

[maximan]

what is the purpose of government propagana in this issue? are they lying to us because they are mean mean people who dont like you?

Well they use propaganda on this issue for the same reason they use propaganda to tell us Iraq and Afghanistan are going great, that the national deficit is going to be fine, etc. The government is always going to lie.

[boognish]

im moving to canada....at least there im allowed 1 once of pot.

[Whisper]

You are?.......hu go figure.....You can do a lot here

[boognish]

i was joking. i wouldnt be able to adjust to all the eh? after every sentence. you know what im saying, eh?

[boognish]

i dont know....but lets get back to topic, eh?

[boognish]

here is some usefull information i came across one day:

10 Things Every Parent, Teenager & Teacher Should Know

About

Marijuana


"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to
control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things
that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very
principles upon which our government was founded."

-- Abraham Lincoln
December, 1840


This pamphlet was researched and produced as a public service
by the Family Council on Drug Awareness P.O. Box 71093, LA CA
90071-0093

1 Q. What is Marijuana?

A. "Marijuana" refers to the dried leaves and flowers of the cannabis
plant [1], which contain the non-narcotic chemical THC at various
potencies. It is smoked or eaten to produce the feeling of being
"high." The different strains of this herb produce different sensual
effects, ranging from sedative to stimulant.

2 Q. Who Uses Marijuana?

A. There is no simple profile of a typical marijuana user. It has been
used for 1000s of years for medical, social, and religious reasons
and for relaxation [2]. Several of our Presidents [3] are believed
to have smoked it. One out of every five Americans say they have
tried it. And it is still popular among artists, writers, musicians,
activists, lawyers, inventors, working people, etc.

3 Q. How Long Have People Been Using Marijuana?

A. Marijuana has been used since ancient times [4]. While field hands
and working people have often smoked the raw plant, aristocrats
historically prefer hashish [5] made from the cured flowers of the
plant. It was not seen as a problem until a calculated disinformation
[sic] campaign was launched in the 1930s [6], and the first American
laws against using it were passed [7].

4 Q. Is Marijuana Addictive?

A. No, it is not [8]. Most users are moderate consumers who smoke it
socially to relax. We now know that 10% of our population have
"addictive personalities" and they are neither more nor less
likely to overindulge in cannabis than in anything else. On a
relative scale, marijuana is less habit forming than either sugar
or chocolate but more so than anchovies. Sociologists report a general
pattern of marijuana use that peaks in the early adult years, followed
by a period of levelling off and then a gradual reduction in use [9].

5 Q. Has Anyone Ever Died From Smoking Marijuana?

A. No; not one single case, not ever. THC is one of the few chemicals for
which there is no known toxic amount [10]. The federal agency NIDA says
that autopsies reveal that 75 people per year are high on marijuana
when they die: this does not mean that marijuana caused or was even a
factor in their deaths. The chart below compares the number of deaths
attributable to selected substances in a typical year:

Tobacco...............................340,000 - 395,000
Alcohol (excluding crime/accidents).............125,000+
Drug Overdose (prescription)............24,000 - 27,000
Drug Overdose (illegal)...................3,800 - 5,200
Marijuana.............................................0

*Source: U.S. Government Bureau of Mortality Statistics, 1987

6 Q. Does Marijuana Lead to Crime and/or Hard Drugs?

A. No [11]. The only crime most marijuana users commit is that they use
marijuana. And, while many people who abuse dangerous drugs also smoke
marijuana, the old "stepping stone" theory is now discredited, since
virtually all of them started out "using" legal drugs like sugar,
coffee, cigarettes, alcohol, etc.

7 Q. Does Marijuana Make People Violent?

A. No. In fact, Federal Bureau of Narcotics director Harry Anslinger once
told Congress just the opposite - that it leads to non-violence and
pacifism [12]. If he was telling the truth (which he and key federal
agencies have not often done regarding marijuana), then re-legalizing
marijuana should be considered as one way to curb violence in our
cities. The simple fact is that marijuana does not change your basic
personality. The government says that over 20 million Americans still
smoke it, probably including some of the nicest people you know.

8 Q. How Does Marijuana Affect Your Health?

A. Smoking anything is not healthy, but marijuana is less dangerous than
tobacco and people smoke less of it at a time. This health risk can
be avoided by eating the plant instead of smoking it [13], or can be
reduced by smoking smaller amounts of stronger marijuana. There is
no proof that marijuana causes serious health or sexual problems [14]
but, like alcohol, its use by children or adolescents is discouraged.
Cannabis is a medicinal herb that has hundreds of proven, valuable
theraputic uses - from stress reduction to glaucoma to asthma to
cancer therapy, etc. [15].

9 Q. What About All Those Scary Statistics and Studies?

A. Most were prepared as scare tactics for the government by Dr. Gabriel
Nahas, and were so biased and unscientific that Nahas was fired by
the National Institute of Health [16] and finally renounced his own
studies as meaningless [17]. For one experiment, he suffocated monkeys
for five minutes at a time, using proportionately more smoke than the
average user inhales in an entire lifetime [18]. The other studies
that claim sensational health risks are also suspect, since they lack
controls and produce results which cannot be replicated or
independently verified [19].

10 Q. What Can I Do About Marijuana?

A. No independent government panel that has studied marijuana has ever
recommended jail for users [20]. Concerned persons should therefore
ask their legislators to re-legalize and tax this plant, subject to
age limits and regulations similar to those on alcohol and tobacco.


For More Information, Write:
Family Coucil on Drug Awareness
P.O. Box 71093, LA CA 90071-0093



FOOTNOTES TO THE TEXT:

1. The same plant, known as hemp, has an estimated 50,000 non-drug
commercial uses including paper, textiles, fuels, food and sealants,
but these uses are also banned by existing laws. Sources: Encyclopedia
Britannica, federal documents and historical records.

2. Coptic Christians, Rhastafarnians [sic], Shintos, Hinus, Buddhists,
Sufis, Essenes, Zoroastrians, Bantus, and many other sects have
traditions that consider the plant to have religious value.

3. Their personal correspondence and records reveal that U.S. Presidents
Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, and others smoked hashish, as did Benjamin
Franklin and Mary Todd Lincoln. President John F. Kennedy is also
reported to have smoked marijuana to relieve his back pain. Many of
America's greatest leaders and Founding Fathers (including George
Washington) were hemp farmers. Sources: National Archives, published
reports.

4. Archeologists report that cannabis was possibly the first plant
cultivated by humans - about 8000 B.C. - and was used for linen,
paper, and garments. Source: Columbia University, _History of the
World_. It was being smoked in China and India as early as 2700 B.C.

5. Turkish smoking parlors were popular in both Europe and America. as
well as the Middle and Far East, as recently as the turn of the
Century.

6. The exhaustive Indian Hemp "Raj" Commission report (1986) by British
authorities found no reason to restrict its use. But the notorious
yellow journalist William Randolph Hearst fabricated and published
horror stories about marijuana that were eventually investigated and
shown to be lies, but not until long after the marijuana prohibition
was enacted in 1938. Source: Larry Sloman, _Reefer Madness_.

7. Laws against marijuana were passed a year after the invention of a
machine to harvest and process hemp so it could compete commercially
against businesses owned by Hearst, the DuPonts and other powerful
families. Source: Jack Herer, _The Emporor Wears No Clothes_.

8. Marijuana does not lead to physical dependency. Costa Rican Study,
1980; Jamaican Study, 1975; Nixon Blue Ribbon Report, 1972, et. al.

9. Source: Psychology Today, Newsweek, et.al.

10. Source: All univerity medical studies: UCLA, Harvard, Temple, etc.

11. Costa Rican Study, 1980; Jamaican Study, 1975; "The legal drugs for
adults, such as alcohol and tobacco...precede the use of all illicit
drugs." Source: National Academy of Sciences.

12. The FBI reports that 65-75% of criminal violence is alcohol related.
"Pacifist syndrome" testimony was given by Federal Bureau of Narcotics
Director Harry Anslinger before Congress (1948). However, the "Siler"
Study conducted by the U.S in Panama (1931) reported "no impairment"
in military personnel who smoked marijuana while off duty.

13. "The only clinically significant medical problem is that
scientifically linked to marijuana is bronchitis. Like smoking
tobacco, the treatment is the same: stop smoking." Source: Dr. Fred
Oerther, M.D.

14. Coptic study (UCLA), 1981; "There is not yet any conclusive evidence
as to whether prolonged use of marijuana causes permanent changes in
the nervous system or sustained impairment of brain function and
behavior in human beings." Source: National Academy of Sciences.

15. Source: Dr. Tod Mikuriya, _Marijuana Medical Papers_. Marijuana could
replace at least 10-20% of prescribed drugs now in use. Source: Dr.
Raphael Mechoulam. Marijuana was a major active ingredient in 40-50%
of patent medicines before its ban.

16. 1976

17. 1983

18. The U.S. Government reports that the oral dose of cannabis required to
kill a mouse is about 40,000 times the dose required to produce
symptoms of intoxication in man. Source: Lowe, _Journal of
Pharmacological and Experimental Therapeutics_, Oct. 1946.

19. In another famous study, Heath/Tulane (1974), wild monkeys were
brutally captured, then virtually suffocated in marijuana smoke over a
period of 90 days. Source: National Institute of Health.

20. Examples: the "LaGuardia" Committee Report (New York, 1944) and
President Richard Nixon's Blue Ribbon "Shafer" Commission (1972).

[Shaolin]

Unbiased data is hard to come by.

Goverment websites and data is VERY biased. You must realise that, the government bias data for their own means,

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

you must realize that the us government doesnt control every scientific study and discovery in the world. to you, anything that says drugs are bad instantly falls into the category of government bias. your so full of shit, the only people who fight for drugs r the idiots that take them.

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

WEED SHOULD BE LEGAL it is more helpful for you than a cigarette wich just kills you. Weed may prevent alhtimzers dieseas, doesnt kill you besides smoke inhilation which is acutally less than a cig. You wouldnt smoke 10 blunts a day, and the only reason it isnt legal is the goverment can t fuck us over with taxes on it like it does on cigs! If i cant do it legally ill do it illegaly

[boognish]

you must realize that the us government doesnt control every scientific study and discovery in the world. to you, anything that says drugs are bad instantly falls into the category of government bias. your so full of shit, the only people who fight for drugs r the idiots that take them.

its funny cause your right. the gov't doesnt control the experiments....but experiments are being done to find that weed may slow the causes of alhizmers or stop it before it begins.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

if studies come out saying marijuana helps alzheimers like u say, i will believe u. im not going to believe shaolin or maximillian simply because they write big posts and stupid research papers proving nothing

[boognish]

research doesnt prove anything....hmmmm

oh listen. smoke a joint. then tell us weed should stay illegal

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

no because after i smoke it im going to want to keep doing it so im obviously going to say it should be legal. but by that time my judgement will be skewed so i wont really know whats right

[boognish]

actually weed isnt that addictive, people that get depression use weed and seem to get addicted but they are just addicted to the same thing zoloft takers are addicted to. you take somone on zoloft, of it what will they do? they will freak out. but my dad was a chronic chronic smoker, but he got of it easily. he told me its not as addictive as people say it its.....then again he also stopped smoking buy just saying i dont feel like doing this....he hasnt smoked in like 15 years.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

thats really cool that ur dad could just stop so easily like that. too bad most people cant

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ive never tried so i dunno

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

Just get over it weed is good for your body and soul and damm does it feel good to get happy

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

sorry im not a loser who needs artificial happiness :-O

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

nor am i weed brings happiness

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

so does hunting and murdering people

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

hav e you ever tried weed dude? I have had it 4 times and each time was awsome im happy without but this makes evrything cooool

[Shaolin]

cosmos you are very immature.

Just because your terrible at holding up your argument, and you cant justify anything you say, doesn't mean you ahve to resort to childish methods of debate.

Cannabis is not what you think it is, make a judgement when you've seen it's use first hand, read about it's effect on the body.

You will probably use it sometime in your life.

[boognish]

i can do that. he was also the guy in their group that could drive drunk or as high as the clouds...and not get pulled over. but the only one time he wasnt able to drive was when he tripped on acid. he said he could see like 5 feet infront of him then the road and sky floated into rainbows, pretty colors, and flowers.

[Shaolin]

hav e you ever tried weed dude? I have had it 4 times and each time was awsome im happy without but this makes evrything cooool

You have a les paul copy!

I have a les paul copy!

I can play all of eruption!

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

mines not a copy its a gibson lp classic but nice man

[Shaolin]

To be honest, i think the effects of drugs really dont make a diference. Even if cannabis did kill brain cells and turn you into a walking vegatible.....

Does that mean people who have a problem with the drug, who are addicted need a prison sentance?

Do people whos lifes revolve around drugs need a 4 walled cell rather than medical treatment?

Is it criminal to damage your own body? If so why isn't cutting yourself illegal? Why are we allowed to drink alcohol and smoke tobacco>

ALl drugs should be legal, even heroin and cocaine. The only way to deal with this (as proven by holland, adn the US's failing drug war) is to legalise the drugs, take the drugs out of the hands of criminals and treat those that live for drugs, if they choose to need treatment. Those who use drugs recreationally and still function adequatly as they would without drugs should be allowed to do what they want with themselves.

[Shaolin]

mines not a copy its a gibson lp classic but nice man

Howd you afford it? you dont look old enough for a job and that guitar is really expensive!

Very nice if you do have one though! Id love a gibson regardless of model. At the mo im using a Cort X6, twin humbuckers and a single coil pickup, with floyd rose tremelo and locking nuts. It's good but not as good as a good as the sustaine of a gibson. :P

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

i work for this local stupid rich ppl yaught club in the snack bar and the kids are rich stuck up assholes and i have been saving

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

cosmos you are very immature.

Just because your terrible at holding up your argument, and you cant justify anything you say, doesn't mean you ahve to resort to childish methods of debate.

Cannabis is not what you think it is, make a judgement when you've seen it's use first hand, read about it's effect on the body.

You will probably use it sometime in your life.

im never going to use it in my life, i can resort to any methods of debate i want to, and i dont need to back up anything i say because everything i say is fact. only losers spend hours writing long fancy posts with capitalized words to show off

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

come on man your being such a tool

[Shaolin]

cosmos you are very immature.

Just because your terrible at holding up your argument, and you cant justify anything you say, doesn't mean you ahve to resort to childish methods of debate.

Cannabis is not what you think it is, make a judgement when you've seen it's use first hand, read about it's effect on the body.

You will probably use it sometime in your life.

im never going to use it in my life, i can resort to any methods of debate i want to, and i dont need to back up anything i say because everything i say is fact. only losers spend hours writing long fancy posts with capitalized words to show off

mhmm Im a loser...yes.

Your pathetic attempt at trying to piss me off with the "everything i say is fact" sentance, is terrible. I mean you should atleast learn how to master sarcasm.

growww uppppppppppp

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

im actually not trying to piss you off, and if you take it that way you are misinterpreting me. you attacked me a few posts ago, i was merely responding to it. OH, you don't know how old I am so it really doesnt matter if i grow up or not. on the interent, adults are just as mature as kids are

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

HAHAHA why are you being such a doche?

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

hahaha why are you talking when you have nothing to say?

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

because this is america and i can talk whenever the heck i want

[maximan]

im actually not trying to piss you off, and if you take it that way you are misinterpreting me. you attacked me a few posts ago, i was merely responding to it. OH, you don't know how old I am so it really doesnt matter if i grow up or not. on the interent, adults are just as mature as kids are

No they're not. And you're a raging example of that. In the real world you'll need facts to back up an arguement, not childish behaviour and antics. Grow up, and know what you're talking about before you get into it. This is why kids don't vote: they're misinformed. Now go out, use google, and find things to argue with.

[Ravenous]

because this is america and i can talk whenever the heck i want

Actually for me its england :wink: Not everyone in the entire world is american you know :)

[boognish]

they should be...and will!!! mwahahahaha....j/k

[Shaolin]

The bottom line is poeple addicted to drugs, especially hard drugs, don't need a prison sentance and handcuffs but a rehabiliation clinic and informative advice.

Arresting users and dealers won't solve the problem, because drugs are soo easily manufactured every dealer you take down 1000 new ones will appear.

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

HArd drugs:NO GOOD HAPPY DRUGG(weed) YES!

[Shaolin]

err hmm..

Hard drugs can be as safe as soft drugs like cannabis, and they are far more 'happy' that's why they are hard drugs.

You have to legalise them all, even if its a drug like cyanide. People shoudl have the right to do what they want with their bodies, if they get hurt doing so they dont need the police they need a doctor.

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

yes i concur but wat would it be like if everyone was on acid?

[Ravenous]

Funny :P Yet dangerous

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

eaxactly OOOH LOOK A SPEEDING SHINY THING LETS LIK IT ( is actually i car doing 80) OOOW LICKING HURTS

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

thats insane because you couldnt possibly pay for the healthcare of every single person

[Whisper]

err hmm..

Hard drugs can be as safe as soft drugs like cannabis, and they are far more 'happy' that's why they are hard drugs.

You have to legalise them all, even if its a drug like cyanide. People shoudl have the right to do what they want with their bodies, if they get hurt doing so they dont need the police they need a doctor.

The problem is you go out get high er w/e and fuck yourself up 911's phoned and our tax dollars pay for your shit instead of buying new equipment or going toward schools. Also I don't give a fuck what anybody says your just as much a danger to everyone around you as you are to yourself. I agree you have the right to do whatever you want to your body its yours nobody elses! But you don't have the right to harm others physically weither its a car accident a fire what the fuck ever.

[kevin]

Some drugs are just excagerated. This has probly been already said but my opinion is if the government allowed drugs, then there would be a whole group that will stop in trend for doing drugs becuase they wanted to tick off the government.

[Whisper]

once you start you don't just stop cause its suddenly okay its highly addictive if anything you'll do more and other kids will start cause they'll think its cool just like allot of teens smoke cause they think its cool

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya making murdering legal isnt going to stop the "trend". thats the stupidist thing ive ever heard. when alcohol was made illegal during the depression, and then became legal again, did everyone stop drinkging? NO

[Ravenous]

ya making murdering legal isnt going to stop the "trend". thats the stupidist thing ive ever heard. when alcohol was made illegal during the depression, and then became legal again, did everyone stop drinkging? NO

I diden't know that happened but its a terrible example, if drugs were made legal some of the users may stop. Some people are just doing it because its illeagal which is stupid but oh well.

[Shaolin]

Actually more peopels lives would be saved.

A survey found only a 1/3 of Ecstacy tablets actually contain MDMA. This rings true to other drugs, the impurities. People get PMA in tablets which is extremly dangerous. Drug dealers fund their gangs through drug trafficking, thousands of people die every year from heroin overdose? Why?

The drugs are being controlled by the black market, people will ALWAYS take drugs, it doesnt matter if they are legal or not. IT just shows that the current drug war, which has been running for over 20 years, is terribly failing as more people are doing hard drugs.


So perhaps if drugs were controlled, regulated and supplied by the government, or privae organisations. Millions of peoples lives will be saved.

And as far as public safety is concerned, its unlikely people will jump to buying drugs because they are legal. Methadone treatment for heroin addicts proves that weaning people off drugs with drugs is more succesfull than conventional drug rehab./

[boognish]

ya making murdering legal isnt going to stop the "trend". thats the stupidist thing ive ever heard. when alcohol was made illegal during the depression, and then became legal again, did everyone stop drinkging? NO yes but when alcohol was made illegal it boosted crime rates and prctically created organized crime. if that never happened there would be no mob/ black market or atleast a much smaller one then there is today

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

i did give birth to the mafia!

[Shaolin]

Drug control doesn't work. Full stop.

It didn't work with alcohol, it doesn't work with drugs. Alcohol being made illegal propelled it into the black market, and the purity of alcohol (what shit was being put into it) was being completly controlled by mobs and gangstas.

Who controls drugs now? Mobs and gangstas, the black market.

anti drug campaigns are extreme in their representation of drugs. "Im high so its ok to shoot my friend" - "Im high so ill just step in my car and drive and hit a few people" - "Im high so ill go commit crime!".

Quite funny actually.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

drugs should stay illegal, because the more impurities in them the better. i hope everyone who is stupid and takes drugs dies. and if thats you, i hope you die too

[nwshc]

Im on board with that!! :D

[Anonymous]

I THINK IF DRUGS WERE LEGAL,ALOT OF PEOPLE WHO STOP DOING DRUGS.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

alot of people who stop doing drugs..... what? will keep doing drugs? yes, thats probably what will happen, and thats horrible

[Shaolin]

alot of people who stop doing drugs..... what? will keep doing drugs? yes, thats probably what will happen, and thats horrible

Your extremly closed minded.

If drugs were legal, the only difference would be that people wouldn't be arrested for having a PROBLEM. People would get HELP!

Just because they are made legal doesn't mean people will jump to taking them, if they had'nt done previously, why should they want to just because they are legal. Cigarettes are legal, not everyone wants to smoke? If you didn't smoke and cigarettes were made illegal would it make a difference to you? No...

[Shaolin]

drugs should stay illegal, because the more impurities in them the better. i hope everyone who is stupid and takes drugs dies. and if thats you, i hope you die too

Uhuh, and i should report that statement. Sounds abit like your losing your temper and can't seem to hold up a dicussion. You don't provide facts, all you do is RANT!

If bartenders pissed in alcoholic drinks, do you think that would be ok?

If we put cyanide in cigarettes, would that be ok? Would it also be ok to put poison in paracetemol? How old are you? Because your displaying the mental age of an embryo.

Do you think Bill Clinton, President Bush (your beloved husband) are bad people? Afterall they smoke cannabis at one point, and President Bush was previously a cocaine addict and broke the law many times.

Was Frued stupid? He smoked alot of opium, and pioneered psychotherapy. The very thing this whole forum is based on, talking about your problems.

What about Edgar Allan Poe - Another opium addict, i guess his writing was stupid?

Jim Morrison? - He took LSD, maybe he was stupid for creating the doors.

Jimmy Hendrix - He took a plethora of drugs, was he stupid for creating a whole new way of playing the guitar.

I could go on for ages... It wouldn't make a difference to you though, your just an immature, close minded, tight assed conservative.

Infact - I will not return to this topic to debate with "Cosmos" unless he has something valid to say, and backs his points up with evidence, not BS.

Anyone else willing to contest my views?

- Don't judge something until you've tried it! - Don't bash drugs if you haven't tried them, or even know what they do/are, and who takes them. Stop believing everything you hear, or that you were taught in school from an early ages, DRUGS ARE BAG MMMKAY?! - This means you Cosmos!

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

yes to everything you said

[grass]

rite well first of all i am a drugie i love drugs but i know they wudnt be nearly as gd if they were leagal although i wud still do them. half of the reason i take drugs is 4 the feelin it gives me and half is 4 the overall experience (goin 2 see ur dealer drivin round wiv stuff hidden in the boot incase the pigs bust ya and sittin in a house takin them) so if drugs are leagalised that side of it has gone but the feelin is gd enuf 4 me 2 carry on. but i think if sum1 wants 2 do drugs then they will and tryin 2 track down drug dealers cost money which cud be made at shops by selling the drugs and the police can concentrate on other stuff. the only drug i reckon shudnt be made leagal are the really addictive 1's cos they just ask 4 trouble infact it wudnt matter so much if the price was cheap aslong as ppl can afford thier habbits ther isnt a problem

[Shaolin]

My point was that at the moment, drugs are completly controlled by the black market, gangsters. If drugs were legal, gangsters would make NO money from drugs and drugs would be in the pockets of police.

If they were made legal, crime would be cut down a billion. Drug dealers wouldn't exist in the old sense, they would be normal people in shops or clinics.

[Ravenous]

Exactly! If drugs were legal then drug dealers are screwed

[nwshc]

ARE YOU ALL CRAZY?? If drugs were legal, you would have a country full of high, lazy bums and nothing would get done. If drugs were legalized, that would certainly mean death to that country.

[Anonymous]

wht i meant cosmos, was if drugs were legal kids wouldnt do them because it wouldnt be cool.

[nwshc]

wht i meant cosmos, was if drugs were legal kids wouldnt do them because it wouldnt be cool.
Of cource they would do drugs. If it was legallized, now they wouldnt get in trouble and if anything, kids doing drugs would sky rocket. They would be able to get them any old time and hand them to friends.

[Shaolin]

Err no it wouldn't.

Use examples please, rather than your faulty thinking.

Drugs were not always illegal, Cocaine used to be in coca cola, and there used to be opium dens. Cannabis was legal in the 1930's. LSD was legal in the 60's. Alot of drugs people abuse today are legal.

Just because they become legal doesn't mean people will jump to taking them. Would you go out and buy some heroin if it became legal? No, because you already have it set in your mind that drugs are bad, thanks to state funded education.

If you think making even cannabis legal is SO bad, look at Holland, it has one of the lowest hard drugs figures in Europe. The UK has THE highest, and only a year ago cannabis was in the same class of drugs as amphetamines.

Please nw and cosmos, your arguments aren't relaible unless backed up by fact.

[nwshc]

Hey, you now what? Go ahead and do drugs, ruin you life. But dont come crying to me when you have to take a drug test at a new job and you fail miserably. Go ahead and overdose, screw up your kids lives, End up like terri shivo. Scrounging up every last penny in your house to pay for them. Be my god damn guest.

[Shaolin]

Oh i see they even managed to squeeze in some anti-drugs vibe into a tragedy like terri shiavos case. Drugs were not linked to her brain damage, apparently she tried her best to lose weight (she was probably anorexic) and this caused an imbalance in brain chemicals.

Give me some facts not BS, please!

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

My point was that at the moment, drugs are completly controlled by the black market, gangsters. If drugs were legal, gangsters would make NO money from drugs and drugs would be in the pockets of police.

If they were made legal, crime would be cut down a billion. Drug dealers wouldn't exist in the old sense, they would be normal people in shops or clinics.

The point isnt how much drugs cost. Its not how much it costs to fight the drug war, how much money the govenernment would get if drugs were legalized and in their control. Money isnt an issue. It costs $35000 a year to sustain ONE prisoner in America. There are more than 2 million people behind bars in my country. Do you think moneys an issue? No. Its not. I hate people who say all this money could be made and spent elseware if the government legalized drugs. Thats like saying why not let out the prisoners so we have all this extra money? The issue is that DRUGS ARE BAD AND WE ARE TRYING TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM RUINING THEIR LIVES

[nwshc]

Oh i see they even managed to squeeze in some anti-drugs vibe into a tragedy like terri shiavos case. Drugs were not linked to her brain damage, apparently she tried her best to lose weight (she was probably anorexic) and this caused an imbalance in brain chemicals.

Give me some facts not BS, please!
I NEVER SAID THAT DRUGS FUCKED UP SHIVO!!! Dont twist my god damn words. I said that using drugs and overdoseing will turn you into shivo. Your brain will be fucking mush. Now did i say that drugs caused her brain damage??? NO.
Fuckin college boy thinks he nows everything.

[Shaolin]

"Go ahead and overdose, screw up your kids lives, End up like terri shivo."

uhuh....

As for cosmos, it doesn't matter about the money your right. At the moment though, BAD people are making money out of RUINING LIVES as you like to put it.

If you have hte attitude of 'don't care what you do, you can ruin your life if you want' then its in contrast to 'drugs should be illegal and you should die if you do drugs' as cosmos puts it.

A large chunk of hte population take drugs regularily. Drugs do not ruin lives. I've given you examples of a few famous people that have used drugs. Did drugs ruin Frued's life? Well if you call the most influencial psychologist ever a failure, then your abit daft. His life wasn't ruined and he smoked opium regularily.

What about the 1 in 4 people that regularily take drugs? That would mean a quater of the population have had their lives ruined, so obviously they all live in bus shelters and don't work.

How about you define 'ruined life' because there is a difference between say someone who smokes a joint of cannabis every month or so, and someone who steals and sells their possessions to buy a fix everyday.

You should be more accepting of peoples lifestyles. If people cut themselves, should we intervene and stop them? Why should we, its their body, their temple, and they can ruin their temple if they want to.

It's called freedom. Something your country was supposadly built on...Now i beg to differ.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

i know, its really sad when he ends up knowing nothing :)

[Shaolin]

i know, its really sad when he ends up knowing nothing :)

Yes, and your the one who can't back up his statements with credible evidence. Your friend nwsch aimed me, askedd me to prove i wasn't pulling these facts out of my ass, i showed him i was telling the truth, he couldn't take it.

Nor can you for that matter, when people start to throw insults around it shows weakness. It shows that i've struck a nerve and you can't seem to say anything in response because you have nothing to say, other than insults of course.

Try and up your IQ abit, then come back to me.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

it doesnt show weakness, it shows power. your afraid to insult people, and conversely that shows weakness. all your facts are fake, so i always disregard them completly

[Shaolin]

it doesnt show weakness, it shows power. your afraid to insult people, and conversely that shows weakness. all your facts are fake, so i always disregard them completly

Ha, if you thought in Congress during a debate everyone could just stand up and shout cock sucker your wrong. Also in the house of commons people don't just stand up and shout "DICKHEAD!" when they are losing an argument.

Insulting is a PRIMITIVE method of expressing your anger.

Im not afraid to insult people, infact naturally im a very agressive person, although as a counselour and moderator on this forum i avoid as much insulting as i can.

Not throwing insults at each other is not a sign of weakness, its a sign of maturity.

As i've said many times before...Grow up!

Prove to me my facts are wrong, fool.

This is for the UK, it's about the same level in the US - 50% of teenagers have tried cannabis!

http://www.addaction.org.uk/Pgwhat.htm

This is for the USA (the white house - now disregard my facts kid)

http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/druguse/

Prove to me those statistics aren't reliable.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

those statistics are completely reliable. when was the last time i ever disagreed with you about the number of people who do marijuana? im completely agree, and thats why i think its imperative someone tries to get people to stop. and do you think i give a shit about how your parilament works? no. insulting is not a primitive way of showing anger. name other ways of displaying anger? swearing? looking ticked off? making hang gestures?

[Shaolin]

those statistics are completely reliable. when was the last time i ever disagreed with you about the number of people who do marijuana? im completely agree, and thats why i think its imperative someone tries to get people to stop. and do you think i give a shit about how your parilament works? no. insulting is not a primitive way of showing anger. name other ways of displaying anger? swearing? looking ticked off? making hang gestures?

In contrast to....

it doesnt show weakness, it shows power. your afraid to insult people, and conversely that shows weakness. all your facts are fake, so i always disregard them completly

So all my facts are fake, which is why you disregard them completly.

So by telling you i got these facts from government websites, means that you disregard the governments facts.

You said "If you do drugs i hope you die" that's 50% percent of the teenage population, half your friends would be dead.

"insulting is not a primitive way of showing anger. name other ways of displaying anger? swearing? looking ticked off? making hang gestures"

Yes it is, a child throws a tantrom and swears and shouts obscene things at his mother, is the child immature, yes! If an older child says these things, and by now he should have learnt otherwise, then is he immature yes, and hes using a primitive defense mechanism.

Insulting is when you display your thoughts in a way to someone else in an attempt to hurt their feelings or 'insult' them. That is not a sign of strength, it's a sign of being an immature little brat.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

A) insulting is not an immature way of handling anything, no matter what you say

B) when i contradicted myself the first time i was making a generalizing because most of the shit that flies out of your mouth is that, shit. and besides, i said the second quote AFTER the fact you presented that was true. therefore im not negating myself at all. and no, my friends dont do drugs, i know that for fact. you honestly believe that half of my firends do drugs just because 50% have done drugs? thats ludicrus. you know how they say every 15 seconds someone dies from drunk driving? do you honestly believe that if you count to 15 at that exact moment someone will die, and only after another 15 seconds another person will die? i hope not, cuz then youd be stupid. its just an average. just because of 50% of the loser population has done drugs (and most of that was a one time experimental thing), doesnt mean any of my friends have. tard

[boognish]

you seem to be at a wall cosmos. all that you know about drugs are biases and myths and stereo types. all drugs will kill you. ohhhhh. my dad has done drugs since he was 12. he smoke weed, snorted cocaine, tripped on acid, ect. all the fuckin time. and he is cool. he is the perfect dad. his memory aint shit. his life aint shit. he was at one point worth 7 million dollars. when has anyone in your family had anything to do with 7 mil? hm? why isnt he now? he had hired some bad accountents that never paid our taxes, like they should've. now my mom, never touched a drug in her life. and you know what? shes a bitch, a hard-ass bitch. and i'll hate her till i die, why? cause my dad was a kid, he knows about what im going through and what i might go through. my mom, my mom was a loser when she was a kid. but if your gonna go with what you hear i'll go with what i hear. i see, see that doing drugs had improved and furthered my dads careree and life to make him a great person. my mom never touched drugs and ended up like a retarded bitch. now in my book drugs=good life. am i wrong? yes. why? drugs arent always good. kinda like they aint always bad. like i said earlier everything you said is a overstatement, a stereotype. your views on drugs can be compared to you thinking that blondes are dumb, mexicans are lazy, everyone in san fransico is homosexual, there is always some big consprisy in the govt, left handed people have a better chance of dieing young. all of there are wrong and hurtful. for all those crack heads and pot heads, go fuck yourself. for all you normal kids, good job. for all you non-drug users, get a life and stop beating us down. also cosmos, you masterbate right? well like drugs, if the gov't could they would take masterbation away from kids why? cause the church and "studies" have biased it as wrong....similar to drugs. cetch my drift? if it makes you happy, the govt will try to ruin it. drugs, cencorship, sex, ect. all has been regulated by the gov't so you cant be happy without doing everything that they want to. is the gov't wrong for this? no. its just stupid of it. this is all i want to say for now. cosmos if you insult me you are just proving the point that you are ignorant, you are weak, and you have no real reason to hate drugs other than "my mommy said they was bad, uh-huh, mommys always right"

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

Notice: this post is not a flame, its not a rant, and its not a shitty essay. its a polite apology and more. Please dont be intimidated by its size, if you cant read it now, read it later, but if you have time, please read it.


Listen boognish, im not ever trying to single you out or anything. im not going to argue with you that your dads a great guy, or that your moms not. i believe you, i trust you. what youve just shown is that in some cases the use of drugs is good, and nothing bad comes from it. i can understand that, though you are one of the very lucky people whose only had a positive experience with drugs. ive known a lot of people in my family, and friends of my family, who have had bad experiences with drugs.

now i can understand where all you people are coming from. if it feels good to get high (i assume), and as long as i dont hurt anyone else, why cant i just do what i want with my own body?

well you know what, you should be able to, but i dont believe society can handle that. on an individual basis, taking drugs might be fun--taking extacy makes parties more fun, hallucinating destracts you from your pain in ordinary life, and alcohol can make life's problems float away.

However, drugs are still harmful for your body. If everyone was allowed to smoke, to inject, to snort, life as we know it would break down. the intellectual status of people would disentigrate.

no one would care about anything but there fix. there wouldnt be any astronaughts, any engineers, there wouldnt be anyone smart to carry out the business of the nation, because all people would need to be happy is their joint.

I always like to relate this to the following:

In the united states (well at least in california, im not sure about the other states), law says that you have to wear a helmet while riding a bicycle, until your a legal adult (18). now i think to myself, why should the government decide whether i wear a helmet or not? why should the government make decisions about my safety of my body, when i have the right to make them for myself?

if i want to get injured, i have the right to do whatever to my body right? wrong. while this might seam right, you have to look at the bigger picture. if a lot more kids had to be taken to the hospital for head injuries, the price of healthcare would go up for everyone to cover all the kids who didnt have insurance (a lot of underpriviliged familes dont). so while you might only be hurting yourself by not wearing a helmet, your also indirectly hurting everyone else.

while you might not be hurting yourself (well at least externally you arent), you still do hurt other people. think of the big picture. if everyone did drugs, i just can't see how society and order could exist.

i dont even know where im going with this now, cuz im really tired and forget what im writing about.

Boognish im interested (i really am) about your dad. how did he get so rich? you are a very lucky person to have that kinda money, and i only wish the best for you. im sorry that you had to tell me at the end not to insult you, cuz this shows that everyone thinks im going to go insulting them. im sorry to everyone i have, and im sorry to you boognish if i ever did to you.

Shaolin im sorry that i always argue with you so much. im sorry that my views are different. while i will never get over your stance on certain issues, i hope from now on i can argue in a peaceable way, and try not to offend anyone.

ONe last thing (i cant tell how long this is, cuz im typing in the quick reply box and i dont nkow if ive written too much) before i go.

When it comes down to it, I agree with the doctors. I agree with the DARE officers who visited my school, I agree with my counselor at school, I believe in my unlce whose a police officer, I believe in the current laws that govern our nation, i agree with every single nationally dedicated organization committed to research on drug use, i agree with all the scientists who do countless experiments and studies, i agree with the billions of dollars that funds such organizations in an effort to bring the knowledge of good health to everyone, so everyone can live a better life. i can't say i believe in the people who claim the thousands of government workers, millions of doctors working with millions of scientists, every clinical study, every experiment, and every anti drug fact is WRONG. i just can't believe it. theres so many educated people in the entire world who have taken i stance against drugs, and i believe those people over the few who stand up for harming the body.

Please guys, i dont care whether you think the government thows billions of dollars into some massive conspiracy to take away all the fun in life just for the hell of it.

But please, if you ever want to go somewhere with true scientific data, with true statistics, with true international recognition, and with true PREVENTION techniques and help for teenages who are addicted, visit NIDA, the National INstitude of Drug Abuse, who works hand in hand with the National Institutes of Health, and the Department of Health and Human Services. They support more than 85 percent of the world's research on the health aspects of drug abuse and addiction.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofax/Infofaxindex.html

[boognish]

i never meant that all of the people were wrong. just some of their facts are biased and un proved and that they arnt showing all of the data.
drugs are bad. one thing i didnt mention is what my dad told me about drugs. he told me they are fun, but never do drugs. they can ruin your life. they might not but it could. drugs are a terrible thing. if you get addicted and you will it becomes really hard to get off, so i dont want you to do any drugs or smoke ciggaretes. in the long run its not worth it

the last 2 sentences were in his words

but my dad owned his own buisness that he built up himself. and we are no longer rich, quite the oppisite now. my dad hired bad accountants that didnt do our taxes and when my dad had a heart attack and my bro was born a couple a months later....it all went to hell. but thats besides the point. i will probly only try drugs. i could never do drugs like addicts do, not cause i know they are bad, not cause they're hard to get, not cause its illegal. its cause i trust my dad and his ideals. everybody should ask their rents if they ever did/tried drugs

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

i like and respect your stance on this issue

[Shaolin]

You seem to have the impression cosmos, that when a person uses a drug, they will get hooked almost immediatly. The drugs side effects will turn the person in a brain damaged vegetable and they won't be able to live life as they wished.

Yes it is true, some people get addicted to drugs, but the majority of people were probably addicted to tobacco or alcohol first, or atleast used them on a regular basis. Those being the most available intoxicants around.

Just because alcohol and tobacco are legal, it doesn't mean they are safer than any drugs. Alcohol particularily can be lethal in large doses, and you know what kills the most people, legal prescription drugs.

You can abuse legal drugs and get the same side effects if not worse than illegal drugs. Drugs are only illegal because they are not what a government wants of it's ideal population.

Society would NOT crumble and intelect would not disintergrate. Did you read the list of famous people who have been addicted to drugs?

They are not brain dead zombies, whose lives are just battling against addiction, they have real lives that they do everyday and drugs are only a small part of their life, a recreational part on the same level as say drinking at a party to make it more sociable.

Crime would not increase as drugs would be actually controlled by the government, at the moment, where does most gangs in America you think make their money?

Drug dealers are what keeps gang warfare alive. If you also think that when drugs are made legal, that everyone will start taking them and hte country will be over run with violence for people stealing things to buy drugs, your wrong. The police wouldn't be spending 90% of their time tracking drug dealers and busting people for doing a crime that hurts no one except the person that consciously wants to take it.

The police would have ALOT more power over society, and drug abuse can be tackled directly in the population, with no stigma and clean realiable drugs to slowly cut down on, just look at how everyone used to smoke tobacco and now only a third or so of hte population smoke. Tobacco is legal so it's easily controlled, people that get addicted and want to stop have alot more support than drug addicts, because smoking is socially acceptable.

So why should say Cannabis be illegal, if it is not as harmful as alcohol. It's not a drug you find ourself out of control on, you still have your mind and can make decisions better than a drunk person could.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

i agree with some of the points you have broughten up, but others i dont.

I agree that alcohol and cigarretes, though legal, are more harmful than some illegal drugs. Everyone knows that, thats why I've always thought smoking cigarretes shouold be illegal as well. And alcohol isnt totally legal, getting drunk ISNT. you're allowed to drink safe ammounts of alcohol, but if you drink too much and step one foot outside of your house or outside from the bar and you will be arrested for public intoxication. Why cant you see that the government has outlawed the substances it finds only harm the body.

the government outlaws the substances it finds only harm the body. and every drug harms the body im some way, thats why they arent allowed.

And in fact a lot of people do get hooked. Do you wish to read about it? or just talk like you single handedly know the experience of every single person who takes drugs?

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofax/Infofaxindex.html

anyways where was i. oh yes. the police. why does everyone think the solution to less crime is simply to abolish more acts that are defined as "crime". just because making the act of committing murder legal, reducing the crime rates by 20,000 a year, that doesnt provide any solution and simply hides the fact that crimes are on going and noones doing anything.

And do you know why only a third of the population smoke? Its because medical science provess that smoking causes cancer, and most people who smoke will die from it. A lot of people dont like dying, and thats why a lot of people dont smoke cigarettes.

Ok this last part i might agree with you on. if i had to let any drug slip, i would let that be marijuana, because that's less harmful than a lot of other drugs.

I mean all you have to do is turn your back to the problems with memory and learning; distorted perception; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; loss of coordination; and increased heart rate. oh not to mention that user’s risk of heart attack more than quadruples in the first hour after smoking marijuana.

I mean who really gives a shit if marijuana promotes cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens?

To be honest, i really dont care if your immune system’s ability to fight off infectious diseases and cancer is impaired. really, go ahead, take dugs. be my guest

[Shaolin]

Have you read any information on aspirin and other painkillers. You can have serious side effects with those such as liver and kidney problems, or even become addicted to those that contain codeine.

People will, no matter drug legal or illegal, get mostly positive effects from their use, they work with the human body and some are natural like cannabis, others are not so nice to hte body such as crack or crystal meth.

Comparing drug use to murder is silly, drugs are extremly safe when used responsibly, some drugs can damage you but thats only with repeated heavy use.

Cannabis has beneign effects, they fail to mention that cannabis users only experiance these side effects for a few weeks to a month, after stopping the use of cannabis. Cannabis does have long term effects on people who use it heavily, but it does not have any permanent effects, it has been studied for many many years and has been used for thousands of years.

Nida is a good resource for people who are addicted and want help. You can't hide behind a webisite though. If Nida only explains what bad effects drugs have on people and society they are being biased, they dispute medicinal effects of drugs which are well known by scientists NOT funded by the goverment.

[Ravenous]

This is quiet funny to watch. In all the threads it ends up as a debate between shaolin and cosmos. and cosmos is getting pwned. With boognish occasionally jumping in :P

[Shaolin]

This is quiet funny to watch. In all the threads it ends up as a debate between shaolin and cosmos. and cosmos is getting pwned. With boognish occasionally jumping in :P

Hah yeah, it's quite easy to pwn cosmos at a debate, he does all the work for me! :lol:

[nwshc]

Was that an insult? Because i think it was. So, now you should consider yourself immature. Are you insulting him because you feel threatened?? Letting out your anger???

[Shaolin]

Oh Cosmos has the impression it a sign of strength!

I guess i slipped there. Unlike you who tried to belittle me on aim, but got on where. Then had the nerve to say you would complain about me for telling you to stop being immature after you sent a barrage of insults about my mother.

[nwshc]

please guy what just happened 5 min ago??? You my friend, are a hipocrate and a lier.

[Shaolin]

please guy what just happened 5 min ago??? You my friend, are a hipocrate and a lier.

Please ellaborate on that claim.

[nwshc]

No, because you will say its false and im just doing all of this to get you kicked out, when in fact you said that you will fram me and have me kicked out. So, no

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

i saw the convo. shaolin is a liar and a cheat. and shaolin its absolutely impossible for you to back up anything youve said in this entire forum. where was the last time anything you have said regarding to the helthy effects of drugs have been stated by a doctor or a scientist? or an intellectual for that matter