Im Very Proud of OBAMA ATM! (gay rights)

[booo]

Washington (CNN) -- President Obama has asked the Department of Health and Human Services to establish a rule that would prevent hospitals from denying visitation privileges to gay and lesbian partners.


^^ isn't that just amazing?!

(most people missread the passage)

but anyways we can now see our gay or lesbian lovers in the hospital!!! <3
i hope this is a stepping stone into more gay rights.. and that this will be in history books after gay marriage is allowed in the United States. :D


What do you think ?!

[Mr. Awesome]

I personally have no opinion on Obama considering im not from the states

However i do agree with this decision, Its about time someone realised that we live in the 21st century. Gays and Lesbians have human rights too ( I hate using such labels but it is required in this situation)

[MaliciousBunface]

Basically same as above..hopefully it will lead to more

[Aspiringanonymous]

Not puberty-related; is a political event so General Puberty :arrow: ROTW

All I can say is, it will take a long time before gay marriage is legalized by the federal government in the US.

[Hollywood]

I'm glad we are finally inching closer to gay rights. It's a small step, and it will be a long time until gays/lesbians get full rights, but I'm so happy to see we are getting somewhere.

[Peace God]

yeah but he is still against marriage

[Sugaree]

yeah but he is still against marriage

Yes, but he's taking a step in the right direction with this. I don't like Obama, but something like this I like. Hopefully, one day, there will be a time for equal right for all...maybe.

[Nickk XD]

He used "gay rights" in his election campaign...

He never specifically stated marriage, but he feels that they should be granted equal privileges as anyone else...so I would assume he also implies marriage...but it was NOT mentioned.

I have a feeling that campaigning was what helped him win. He used it in a debate against McCain. McCain being a strong military guy is ANTI GAY and just that may have swayed the election.

[Death]

Personally, I think that the fact that homosexuals aren't already equal in everyone's eyes shows how screwed up this world is. I mean really, in which century are we living? But then again, I can point out many flaws in the world. So, I think that Obama actually did a good thing there.

[Perseus]

Wait... Gays could be denied medical coverage in hospitals? Kind goes against their oath, y'know?

[Whisper]

Wait... Gays could be denied medical coverage in hospitals? Kind goes against their oath, y'know?
visitation privileges

Hospitals wouldn't give same sex partners the same visitation rights they give straight couples

its not about treatment

[YourFriend]

Wait... Gays could be denied medical coverage in hospitals? Kind goes against their oath, y'know?

I am as stunned as you are... :O

[booo]

^^ gays where never denied hospital care.

[Whisper]

^^ gays where never denied hospital care.

Dude you're wasting your time
people never fuckin read the threads they're posting in

[The Batman]

Found this while typing up a paper on Gay marriage for a class. Same-sex couples do not have rights like family health coverage, child custody and medical and bereavement leave,

Same-sex couples cannot file joint tax returns and enjoy income and estate tax benefits,

LGBT persons cannot assume pension or Social Security benefits in the event of the death of a same-sex partner,

LGBT persons do not have the automatic ability to make medical decisions for an incapacitated spouse,

LGBT persons cannot petition for their same-sex partner to immigrate,

LGBT persons are not entitled to leave of absence (up to 12 weeks) from work to care for a seriously ill partner or parent of a partner,

Parenting responsibilities of children brought into LGBT families through birth, adoption, surrogacy or other means can be questioned or challenged through legal means,

LGBT persons do not have the ability to purchase continued health coverage for a same-sex partner after the loss of a job.
http://www.naswdc.org/diversity/lgb/033004Facts.asp

[Nickk XD]

What you stated is simply because they aren't allowed to marry and in order to gain these rights you must be married. Unfortunately, most (if not almost all) states prohibit same sex marriage. In any state which grants same sex marriage, these rights are also granted.

Found this while typing up a paper on Gay marriage for a class.
http://www.naswdc.org/diversity/lgb/033004Facts.asp

[Antares]

yeah but he is still against marriage

Do you really think that he is against gay marriage if he is fighting hard for gay rights?

Yea...thats a no.

[Sugaree]

Do you really think that he is against gay marriage if he is fighting hard for gay rights?

Yea...thats a no.

One can still be against gay marriage and still fight for gay rights.

[Nickk XD]

On tonight's news they actually said he intends on sending a bill to nationalize gay marriage to allow all gays 21 or older to marry...this includes lesbians, etc. Not sure why it is 21...but whatever.

I'm also confident the House Reps and Senate will not pass it.

One can still be against gay marriage and still fight for gay rights.

[Peace God]

Do you really think that he is against gay marriage if he is fighting hard for gay rights?

Yea...thats a no.
changing a law about visiting rights for couple does not imply that he supports gay marriage...remember that obama is a christian(or at least he claims to be)
http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6K9dS9wl7U

[dead]

changing a law about visiting rights for couple does not imply that he supports gay marriage...remember that obama is a christian(or at least he claims to be)
http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6K9dS9wl7U

He doesn't support Gay marriage but does support adoption regardless of Sexual orientation. Also supports the laws protecting the LGBT community from discrimination.

[Peace God]

He doesn't support Gay marriage but does support adoption regardless of Sexual orientation. Also supports the laws protecting the LGBT community from discrimination.
i never said he didnt

[dead]

i never said he didnt

I never said that you said that he didn't.

[The Batman]

changing a law about visiting rights for couple does not imply that he supports gay marriage...remember that obama is a christian(or at least he claims to be)
http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6K9dS9wl7U

Simply being a christian isn't reason enough to say he's against gay marriage.

[Peace God]

Simply being a christian isn't reason enough to say he's against gay marriage.
i didnt just assume he was against gay marriage, i actually knew... but yeah, you're absolutely right

I never said that you said that he didn't.
:whiteflag:

[Antares]

Logically, if one is vehemently fighting for gay rights, they would be for gay marriage.

You guys need to think a little bit. If I am putting my head on the chopping block and ending DADT and providing visitiation, meeting with Human Rights Campaign activists and all this other gay rights stuff, do you really really think that he would be against gay people marrying?????

If so, I must say that you are completely illogical and borderline stupid honestly...

[Peace God]

Logically, if one is vehemently fighting for gay rights, they would be for gay marriage.
Well, logically someone that is strongly in favor of equal rights would also be for marriage but religion is a factor here so logic is almost completely gone.

You guys need to think a little bit. If I am putting my head on the chopping block and ending DADT and providing visitiation, meeting with Human Rights Campaign activists and all this other gay rights stuff, do you really really think that he would be against gay people marrying?????

did you not hear what he said?... "marriage is a union between a man and a woman"
are you trying to say that he is secretly supporting gay marriage? well that actually might be possible because he wants to get reelected and i doubt how christian half of these politicians are anyway

If so, I must say that you are completely illogical and borderline stupid honestly...
so if barack obama officailly takes his stance against gay marriage and you still think he is for it, i am the one that's stupid?

[The Batman]

Well, logically someone that is strongly in favor of equal rights would also be for marriage but religion is a factor here so logic is almost completely gone.


did you not hear what he said?... "marriage is a union between a man and a woman"
are you trying to say that he is secretly supporting gay marriage? well that actually might be possible because he wants to get reelected and i doubt how christian half of these politicians are anyway


so if barack obama officailly takes his stance against gay marriage and you still think he is for it, i am the one that's stupid?

You can be personally against something but still support it.

Here's something about it though....

Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions:
Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."
Barack Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.

He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized.
http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm

[magikarpy]

Two people dislike what he did.

[Whisper]

Two people dislike what he did.

ok.....and?

its a poll they have a right to say they disagree

[Nickk XD]

OK, since we're talking about logic...

Obama is against gay marriage, I guess, but simply because of religion. I wouldn't consider him completely against it because of the facts Reglus stated above.

He is a very very religious person. He wouldn't disappoint his country (because let's face it, the majority of the country is still against gay marriage) and his religion (the pope in Vatican City is against it and almost every strong christian and/or catholic is, too). He would get shit from the world and his religion if he was to enact some major thing (that being gay marriage) for gays.

I would say his hands are tied. The population of the people who against gay marriage is most likely greater than people who are for it. Legalizing it, especially now, could dramatically impact the odds of him becoming president a second term.

[Peace God]

OK, since we're talking about logic...

Obama is against gay marriage, I guess, but simply because of religion. I wouldn't consider him completely against it because of the facts Reglus stated above.

He is a very very religious person. He wouldn't disappoint his country (because let's face it, the majority of the country is still against gay marriage) and his religion (the pope in Vatican City is against it and almost every strong christian and/or catholic is, too). He would get shit from the world and his religion if he was to enact some major thing (that being gay marriage) for gays.

I would say his hands are tied. The population of the people who against gay marriage is most likely greater than people who are for it. Legalizing it, especially now, could dramatically impact the odds of him becoming president a second term.
i agree with most of what you said and like i said before its possible that he is personally for gay marriage but he does want to get re-elected and he probably doesnt wanna go down in history and the "gay" president

unfortunately, i he probably wont do what is right because he is afraid of losing even more popularity

[Whisper]

I hope you're right nick
Because if that's the case and he wins a second term
He won't care about that

such a Christian state lol

[ray8806]

I mutual about the new Executive Order. I could care less really.

HOWEVER, gay marriages should not be allowed. Marriage should only and always be defined as a union between ONE man and ONE woman.

On the other hand, a civil union would be different. It isn't marriage, but it defines the two people as together in a relationship and gives them rights as a couple.

[Perseus]

HOWEVER, gay marriages should not be allowed. Marriage should only and always be defined as a union between ONE man and ONE woman.



Why do you think this?