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nick
April 15th, 2010, 06:35 AM
A boy drowned when safety lapses by a county council led to panic-stricken children crawling through a flooded underground tunnel during a school caving trip, a court heard yesterday.

Joe Lister, 14, who was on a school trip at an outdoor education centre, was left to die alone when water levels rose suddenly inside Manchester Hole, a cave near the River Nidd in the Yorkshire Dales.

He was among a group of 11 pupils of the same age and their teacher from Tadcaster Grammar School who were taken into the cave system by an instructor and a work-experience teenager. Leeds Crown Court was told that although Manchester Hole was usually regarded as safe for beginners, it was known to be prone to flooding during severe wet weather.

On the day Joe died in November 2005, heavy rain and strong winds had swept water over the top of a dam at a nearby reservoir and into the Nidd, which led to surging water levels inside the cave.

Tim Horlock, QC, for the prosecution, told the jury that the roof of the cave lowered sharply part way along the underground river bed that the group were exploring. To reach the large, domed chamber on the downstream side, the group had to crawl through a 12m passage known as The Crawl, which at its narrowest was only 1m high and 1m wide.

The water was ankle deep and they made it through without any difficulty. As they explored the chamber it was realised that the water had risen to the height of the children’s waists. The only way back was through The Crawl and when they arrived it was fully submerged, apart from an air pocket halfway along. Mr Horlock said: “It quickly became apparent that the group was going to have to swim underwater in dark, freezing and muddy conditions. Panic set in among some of the children, with some becoming hysterical.”

In the chaos that ensued, some children tried to swim through but turned back. Eventually the instructor, Tony Boyle, went through with one boy who was a weak swimmer and began assisting the children at the far end.

Robert Power, a maths teacher, and a 17-year-old girl on work experience at the outdoor centre waited behind for the other children to pass through. Mr Horlock said that one of the pupils later described how Joe tried to swim through the tunnel but turned back, explaining to his friend that “he couldn’t do it”.

The friend “saw Joe go slightly away and sit on some rocks”. Mr Power was the last person to go through The Crawl. He thought no one was left behind. When the group gathered on the other side of the passage Joe was found to be missing.

Mr Horlock told the court that Mr Boyle decided that they should not turn back, but should leave Manchester Hole and raise the alarm. Joe’s body was found later by a cave rescuer, downstream of The Crawl. He had drowned.


Full story here (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article7097856.ece)

janjanTRIP_
April 15th, 2010, 06:51 AM
thats terrible. if they're not going to protect the children, they should take them there.

Jess
April 15th, 2010, 07:23 AM
so sad :(

Giles
April 15th, 2010, 12:16 PM
thats terrible. if they're not going to protect the children, they should take them there.

'Mr Power' thought that all the kids were through. I hardly think it's fair to blame it on them. Plus it wouldn't of been beneficial for another person to die going back in to 'save' him when chances are he was already dead.

nick
April 15th, 2010, 12:44 PM
The thing that struck me was what a nightmare situation in must have been for all of those kids, just too terrifying to even think about. That poor boy though, dying alone, terrified, in the dark, its just horrible. What on earth were the trip leaders thinking about taking them down there in those conditions?

Kahn
April 15th, 2010, 01:49 PM
I can't wait to see one of those comments saying "All of those kids should die!"

They are 14 years old, panicking, and are in a life or death situation. What could they do for the kid? It's not like they could've gone back.

Sad tragedy.

Blood
April 15th, 2010, 03:07 PM
I can't wait to see one of those comments saying "All of those kids should die!"

They are 14 years old, panicking, and are in a life or death situation. What could they do for the kid? It's not like they could've gone back.

Sad tragedy.

I completely agree.

Sage
April 15th, 2010, 05:06 PM
Such is life.

Whisper
April 16th, 2010, 01:35 AM
the instructor should have gone back and left the 14yr old group that was safe on the other side under the charge of the 17yr old and told them to leave n get help

as a teacher you are responsible for ALL their lives
if you aren't prepared for that
don't take the job

Giles
April 16th, 2010, 12:07 PM
the instructor should have gone back and left the 14yr old group that was safe on the other side under the charge of the 17yr old and told them to leave n get help

as a teacher you are responsible for ALL their lives
if you aren't prepared for that
don't take the job

He thought that everyone was out, he only realised they were missing the boy when they were outside. It's hardly worth killing himself to go and 'rescue' a child that is already dead.

Scarface
April 16th, 2010, 12:18 PM
That's really fucked up. As whisper said above that the teacher Is responsible even though he thought they were all out. He should have done something after he realized he was not there with the obvious fact that he was still down there. Kinda pisses me off..

The Nerd Victorious
April 16th, 2010, 12:33 PM
Anyone got this Joe Lister's dox? I smell potential lulz from his family.

Whisper
April 16th, 2010, 02:46 PM
He thought that everyone was out, he only realised they were missing the boy when they were outside. It's hardly worth killing himself to go and 'rescue' a child that is already dead.

When the group gathered on the other side of the passage Joe was found to be missing.
The group hadn't left the cave.
They were simply on the other-side of the narrow passage when they did a head count.
He should have gone back.
When you accept a job to teach you take their safety into your hands.
There was still time to save him.
He could have gone back.
He simply choose not to.
He let a 14yr old child die in some god forsaken cave, cold, alone, and terrified


Not to mention you have no idea how long the inside cavern took to fill completely it doesn't say in the article

Suicune
April 16th, 2010, 04:00 PM
It's sad how something like this could happen to someone. And to a child too...

lagiacrus
April 16th, 2010, 09:53 PM
Not to mention you have no idea how long the inside cavern took to fill completely it doesn't say in the article

That part just chills me. So sad.