Ecstasy

[Oli1994]

For the last year or so i keep thinking of taking E..

I've spoken to loads of people who are in their 30s or 40s who have taken it in the past and loved it.. Of course I wouldn't want to just blow it on some random event... But with parties coming up in the future I don't know if I want to try it or not...

The effects seem GREAT on paper and seem to be better then a few hours of sadness... Though what are the chances of it killin you?

I've heard about pill testing kits to see if the pills have garbage in... A capsule of MDMA sounds safer sorta

what do you think. - I'm 15 by way - will be 16 by time these parties are happening

[Nickk XD]

Ecstasy (aka "E", MDMA, "X") is a very addictive and very active hallucinogen & stimulant. In any dose, it isn't considered safe. It chemically considered similar to methamphetamine but has a much more hallucinogenic effect. The drug makes you not have a proper grasp on reality. MDMA produces feelings of increased energy, euphoria, emotional warmth, and distortions in time, perception, and tactile experiences.

This drug reacts with Serotonin, a chemical in the brain that is related to happiness and desire. Serotonin is also related to sexual pleasure and aggression.

Negative Effects of the drug include:


High body temperature --> dehydration
confusion
depression (mainly after use of drug has stopped)
severe anxiety (also right after you come off the drug)

The negative effects listed above can occur soon after taking the drug and sometimes even days or weeks after taking the drug. MDMA users also have long term negative effects that include poor memory and ability to concentrate. Once you use the drug long term, you may experience permanent depression and anxiety.

Ecstasy is VERY addictive. 43% of people report a severe feeling of dependence of the drug after one time, which is defined by the users still using the drug even after they've received help and knowledge of severe physical and psychological harm.

MDMA withdrawal symptoms include: fatigue, loss of appetite, depressed feelings, and trouble concentrating

Basically MDMA can have severe effect on health, which on a rare occasion can include death.

If you wouldn't take methamphetamine, cocaine, etc...then you wouldn't want to take this drug either...

Everyone I personally know who try Ecstasy find themselves doing what is commonly called "chasing the high". It's where you try the drug once and then once you come off of it, you feel depressed. You take more of the drug, which gives you a "high" which never is the same as the one you experienced the first time. Each time you try it, your high is less and less...to where eventually you are taking the drug just to avoid depression. This is common in many club drugs.

Would I suggest trying it? NO, never.

Any other questions?

*** All knowledge in this post is the knowledge of mine and the site InfoFacts-NIDA. http://www.drugabuse.gov/Infofacts/ecstasy.html ***

[Charleigh]

mate, what would you get out of drug abuse? i went there and never again. do yourself good and turn down your desire for it. for every stimulant drug there is always some kind of catch to it. you take risks when you take it, allergies, reactions and everything else. think of it, do you really wanna try something thats a drug, my best mate William tried it, he reacted funny ad had to go to hospital. its not worth trying babe HONESTLY.

[Oli1994]

Ok thanks, yer a lot of risks it seems.. especially the addictive one which is a high chance compared to these long term affects...

Its just like when im 18 ill be hitting the clubs and dance festivals. Im into like hardstle music which they do a lot of in Holland - a load of really good events there, so i will be going there.... and they can go on for like 10hours.. and im just like thinking to go threw a event that long trying to dance as much as you can and have the best time you can seems rather lame if your not in an 'overload'

And loads of people at these places take pills.. not sure how they end up but yer...

Why are all good things illegal and bad :(

[Nickk XD]

Be high off life, not drugs.

I get an ecstatic high every day when I go running/jogging. When I do activities that are invigorating and athletic, it makes me feel great (as it does most people). This is because it released endorphins (brain chemicals) that are similar to that of taking an illegal drug. When you're enjoying yourself, you also release serotonin and sometimes dopamine which also make you feel great.

It truly is possible to have a "high" similar to what you'd have on a drug like marijuana...but to create a high similar to ecstasy would be harder simply because of the effects of the drug (you aren't going to necessarily want sex right after a jog...).

In my opinion, it is more funny to watch other people get messed up and stuff versus you (myself) getting messed up...I find things like drunks hilarious.

Ok thanks, yer a lot of risks it seems.. especially the addictive one which is a high chance compared to these long term affects...

Its just like when im 18 ill be hitting the clubs and dance festivals. Im into like hardstle music which they do a lot of in Holland - a load of really good events there, so i will be going there.... and they can go on for like 10hours.. and im just like thinking to go threw a event that long trying to dance as much as you can and have the best time you can seems rather lame if your not in an 'overload'

And loads of people at these places take pills.. not sure how they end up but yer...

Why are all good things illegal and bad :(

[Vutra92]

Try it once, be around people you trust when you do it, and stay hydrated. You will not get addicted from trying it once as long as you don't do it all the time.

[Nickk XD]

That couldn't be more wrong.

I'd be more inclined to say that by trying it once you're MORE likely to become addicted (as most people do).

It's like saying "I'll just smoke one cigarette"...the two drugs MDMA and Nicotine aren't related...but they are both addictive. Many people who puff their first cig are doomed to a life of smoking. It happened it my sister.

If trying it once wouldn't make anyone addicted, then there would almost be no such thing as Ecstasy addiction.
Try it once, be around people you trust when you do it, and stay hydrated. You will not get addicted from trying it once as long as you don't do it all the time.

[Charleigh]

if you saw someone injecting themselfs with heroin, would you do it? RIGHT, so whats the differnce between ectasy its still a drug

[staying_alive]

Try it once, be around people you trust when you do it, and stay hydrated. You will not get addicted from trying it once as long as you don't do it all the time.

I agree with this post. It's pretty obvious you want to do it. Get it from someone you trust, NOT someone at a party. You never know what kinda shit you're buying when it's some random at a party. Try it with other people around in case negative side effects happen, and drink lots of water. There's another recent thread on ecstasy that contained some valuable info on its addictive qualities and how you can die from it. The fact that you're partying and not drinking enough water causes you the most harm. As for the addictive qualities, trying it once will not give you a craving.

Good luck.

[staying_alive]

if you saw someone injecting themselfs with heroin, would you do it? RIGHT, so whats the differnce between ectasy its still a drug

Heroin and ecstasy are on COMPLETELY different levels. If i saw someone taking Ibuprofen should I freak out and take them to the ER? It's still a drug...

[AllThatIsLeft]

Speaking from personal experience, it is an addictive drug, that if you can't control your urges to get more, it WILL fuck you up. Guaranteed.
But the mental and physical stimulation is very unique and if done right, it can be very enlightening.

That being said, the advice I give you is don't do it. But if you do it, make sure you trust your source, you are in a safe environment with people you trust, keep a bottle water in your hand, don't drink too much too often... You CAN overdose on water. if you drink too much. Truth is you can overdose on anything if you take too much.


At your age I recommend that you don't try it. It's not worth all the trouble it might bring you. Specially if you have a bad mentality on it, your mental state influences majorly on how you trip.

[Nickk XD]

I wasn't saying Heroine and Ecstasy were the same thing. Both of these drugs are HIGHLY illegal and HIGHLY addictive. People have a misconception that ecstasy is "better" for you than other drugs...that's completely false. Yes, heroine is more potent as far as withdrawals and stuff...but they BOTH can make you addicted.

The scale for drugs is: (1=very addictive drug, 6=not so addictive). Not in any particular order below:

Nicotine-1
Heroine-2
Ecstasy-2 or arguably 3
Methamphetamine-2 or arguably 3
Cocaine-3
Alcohol-4
Caffeine-5
Marijuana-5

This study was performed by Benowitz. Other similar studies agree with these results.

Personally, I wouldn't say nicotine is more addictive than heroine. Yes, more people become addicted to nicotine from their first try than heroine, but the ability to quit I would think would be easier on nicotine (since heroine can literally kill you from withdrawals...then again, so can alcohol's).

To your ibuprofen remark, all drugs (legal or otherwise) carry SOME side effects. You need to weigh the risks with the benefits. Ibuprofen has one major risk and that is ulcers if used improperly or too often. But other legal drugs, like vicodin or more so OxyContin should be something you should be worried about.
Heroin and ecstasy are on COMPLETELY different levels. If i saw someone taking Ibuprofen should I freak out and take them to the ER? It's still a drug...

[staying_alive]

I wasn't saying Heroine and Ecstasy were the same thing. Both of these drugs are HIGHLY illegal and HIGHLY addictive. People have a misconception that ecstasy is "better" for you than other drugs...that's completely false. Yes, heroine is more potent as far as withdrawals and stuff...but they BOTH can make you addicted.

The scale for drugs is: (1=very addictive drug, 6=not so addictive). Not in any particular order below:

Nicotine-1
Heroine-2
Ecstasy-2 or arguably 3
Methamphetamine-2 or arguably 3
Cocaine-3
Alcohol-4
Caffeine-5
Marijuana-5

This study was performed by Benowitz. Other similar studies agree with these results.

Personally, I wouldn't say nicotine is more addictive than heroine. Yes, more people become addicted to nicotine from their first try than heroine, but the ability to quit I would think would be easier on nicotine (since heroine can literally kill you from withdrawals...then again, so can alcohol's).

To your ibuprofen remark, all drugs (legal or otherwise) carry SOME side effects. You need to weigh the risks with the benefits. Ibuprofen has one major risk and that is ulcers if used improperly or too often. But other legal drugs, like vicodin or more so OxyContin should be something you should be worried about.

Dude, I think you're under the impression that I'm fighting for who knows more about drugs. Clearly, you know more than I do. I just don't want you to over-exaggerate the situation. To me, you're that kid who preaches about not doing drugs and who educates himself on drugs but hasn't ever tried them. Now, maybe that's not true, but that's what your posts are saying to me.

I wasn't saying you were comparing heroine to ecstasy, but rather that Charliegirl was. And from your post, you have proven her statement wrong. The ibuprofen remark was in regards to her post, so you didn't really need to address that. I understand the risks of the drug.

As far as ecstasy being "better" for you than other drugs, i'd like for you to address that statement. If used in a safe manner with proper hydration, ecstasy can be one of the safest drugs out there. The fact that it's addictive slightly attributes to its danger but its effects on the human body are much less negative than other drugs.

Again, i'm not trying to argue who knows more about drugs.

[Nickk XD]

It's not a matter of whether you do the drugs or not.

I will tell you I have done Ecstasy and would never do it again. It took me almost 8 months to get my ass off of that crap.

I've tried other more recreational drugs too.

All of my experiences are what inspired me about getting educated about them. My philosophy was that if someone was to be completely educated about them and be able to prevent abuse by them because of the education. Because I know what these drugs can do to me now, I'm way less likely to go to a party and try them.

Also, my area of California I live in is known as the drug capital of the west coast, perhaps even of the U.S. We're not near LA...no where near it and we are nowhere near that big, either...but the crime rate is high. Common drugs you'll see here include methamphetamine, nicotine, alcohol, ecstasy, occasionally heroine, and much too frequently GHB.
Dude, I think you're under the impression that I'm fighting for who knows more about drugs. Clearly, you know more than I do. I just don't want you to over-exaggerate the situation. To me, you're that kid who preaches about not doing drugs and who educates himself on drugs but hasn't ever tried them. Now, maybe that's not true, but that's what your posts are saying to me.

[Demyx]

I wouldnt do it... D:

[homerallii1]

I've done it once. And the fact is that the level of MDMA in a roll of X is not enough to form a physical dependence. Not that I'm suggesting you do it (*wink wink*) but your body can clear itself of a roll of X in about 3-5 days. If you only do it like once a month or so, you should be fine. I've done it at a concert, and thoroughly enjoyed myself, this was 2 weeks ago, dont plan to do it again soon.

[Nickk XD]

This statement is incorrect for a few reasons.

Ecstasy is made in illegal labs (usually outside of the U.S.) by people who have one goal: to make money. They could care less about your well-being nor the amount of MDMA that is actually in the drug.

One day you try some Ecstasy and you get a little high and say "That was nice"...the next time you try it, you may get a "WOW" effect...there was obviously more MDMA in that pill.

NOTHING is accurately measured in the process of creating the drug.

Also, there are various designs of pills for Ecstasy. They kind of look like Children Vitamins. Something with a skull and cross bones might make you think "WOW...that one must be super full of MDMA" while one that has a peaceful flower or something makes you think it would be good for first timers. There IS NO relation between how it looks and how much MDMA it actually contains. They are just designed to appeal to certain types of people...the look that is.

Therefore, it is VERY possible to become permanently addicted from the first time, depending on how much MDMA the pill you happened to take had. But there is NO WAY to say that ALL MDMA pills have too little MDMA to form a dependence...it would more so be the opposite.

And the fact is that the level of MDMA in a roll of X is not enough to form a physical dependence.

[ghostface]

Ecstasy (aka "E", MDMA, "X") is a very addictive and very active hallucinogen & stimulant. In any dose, it isn't considered safe. It chemically considered similar to methamphetamine but has a much more hallucinogenic effect. The drug makes you not have a proper grasp on reality. MDMA produces feelings of increased energy, euphoria, emotional warmth, and distortions in time, perception, and tactile experiences.

This drug reacts with Serotonin, a chemical in the brain that is related to happiness and desire. Serotonin is also related to sexual pleasure and aggression.

Negative Effects of the drug include:


High body temperature --> dehydration
confusion
depression (mainly after use of drug has stopped)
severe anxiety (also right after you come off the drug)

The negative effects listed above can occur soon after taking the drug and sometimes even days or weeks after taking the drug. MDMA users also have long term negative effects that include poor memory and ability to concentrate. Once you use the drug long term, you may experience permanent depression and anxiety.

Ecstasy is VERY addictive. 43% of people report a severe feeling of dependence of the drug after one time, which is defined by the users still using the drug even after they've received help and knowledge of severe physical and psychological harm.

MDMA withdrawal symptoms include: fatigue, loss of appetite, depressed feelings, and trouble concentrating

Basically MDMA can have severe effect on health, which on a rare occasion can include death.

If you wouldn't take methamphetamine, cocaine, etc...then you wouldn't want to take this drug either...

Everyone I personally know who try Ecstasy find themselves doing what is commonly called "chasing the high". It's where you try the drug once and then once you come off of it, you feel depressed. You take more of the drug, which gives you a "high" which never is the same as the one you experienced the first time. Each time you try it, your high is less and less...to where eventually you are taking the drug just to avoid depression. This is common in many club drugs.

Would I suggest trying it? NO, never.

Any other questions?

*** All knowledge in this post is the knowledge of mine and the site InfoFacts-NIDA. http://www.drugabuse.gov/Infofacts/ecstasy.html ***
wow, I and a TON of my friends have never had the negative effects / addiction EVER.

if you're gonna go for it, make sure you buy from a trusted dealer / know your pills. pure mdma is what you ultimately want, I know a good friend that deals 95% mdma 5% coke rolls which are excellent and very clean with no negative side effects (aside from insomnia, but I have that anyway).

I'd say save it for an insanely great concert, not some party.

(I am not condoning anything, sharing my experiences)

if you saw someone injecting themselfs with heroin, would you do it? RIGHT, so whats the differnce between ectasy its still a drug

heroin kills TONS of people, the only instances you die from a bad pill is when they're coated with bad things (heroin, meth, etc).

I'll say it again, know your dealers and know your pills if you're gonna go for it and DO NOT roll too much, it just makes you kinda tweaked out a bit until you stop doing it so frequently.

[anon123]

Personally, I've tried ecstasy a few times. It's my favorite drug, but I probably won't be taking it ever again. The problem with ecstasy is that it is not pure MDMA, it is usually cut with unsafe drugs and placebo's, so you're not getting the pure drug, more like 25-50% of the actual chemical that produces ecstasy's known effects.

The chances of you dying are very low. If you're curious about it, go for it. Try it once or twice then be done with it. Hard drugs like ecstasy and LSD are meant to be tried and then remembered, not taken often for fun.

[Nickk XD]

I have to agree and disagree with this post. Mostly agree.

MDMA, like previously stated, is NOT ever accurately measured. To say someone gets 95% of MDMA is not true as 95% one time could actually be 60% the next. They do not measure the stuff.


Personally, I've tried ecstasy a few times. It's my favorite drug, but I probably won't be taking it ever again. The problem with ecstasy is that it is not pure MDMA, it is usually cut with unsafe drugs and placebo's, so you're not getting the pure drug, more like 25-50% of the actual chemical that produces ecstasy's known effects.

[QUOTE]
The chances of you dying are very low. If you're curious about it, go for it. Try it once or twice then be done with it. Hard drugs like ecstasy and LSD are meant to be tried and then remembered, not taken often for fun.

[Pirate]

I'm not going to say what you should or shouldn't do - you yourself know what you want to do, a stranger on the internet isn't going to ultimately change your mind.
I will tell you what my experiences were like though, so you have a general idea?
Drugs as unpredictable. Remember that. Even if you get into the habit of taking pills every time you go out or whatever. You're not there when the pills are made up or bought. Sometimes they won't hit, sometimes they will.
The thing with pills is there are loads of different types. And depending on where you live, you'll get different qualities.
Also, I've found that your own head comes into massive play with drugs. The same pill will do different things to different people, last longer on some and have bigger comedowns for some folk.
I've done pills quite a few times (though not anymore) and being from a small town, they were hit and miss. Generally you just feel.. 'fucked'. I find it hard to explain. We never rarely got 'buzzy pills' ours were one's that made you feel floaty and nice.
However, the comedowns were the things I didn't like. I personally used to have terrible comedowns with most drugs, and one night me and my boyfriend had about 20 good (for our standards) pills between us. I was 'happy' but basically just sitting in the corner of the room of a party of drugged/drunk people, watching everyone else. Happy, but unable to move. Then when the happy feeling went away, I was physically exhausted and so weak but mentally, I was wide awake. Unable to sleep for hours. Just lying in bed, unable to move.

I'm not saying your experience will be like that, but that's my experience.
I've never been addicted to pills either - I think that depends on the person as well. But it's up to you. I don't suggest it, it's not really worth it but you know yourself what you'd want to do.

[wtblife]

Be high off life, not drugs.

I've done a lot of drugs and still do more than the average person, but I completely agree with this. Sober life feels amazing.

[danielf123]

dude
go to Erowid.com
read up on MDMA (ecstasy) and then decide if you yourself want to do it
i suggest using Pillreports.com if you do choose to do so

it is a website that has many pill reports on it from many places, all about ecstasy
Im not telling you to do it OP but if u do choose to, at least be safe about it and know what your taking.
also
Bluelight.ru
its a drug harm reduction website, another place u can do your own research and make the decision if you want to or not

[gotanyDman]

I do ecstasy once a year.

It's better to take drugs like ecstasy VERY VERY RARELY. Not only because is can be considerably harmful, but because part of doing drugs is reflecting. Reflecting on what you've learned and experienced is almost as important as the experience itself.

[swimfreak85]

i think taking a drug to tht extend is a weakness

[Fourth Dimension]

dont do it yeah it may be nice but really its not worth it

[punim]

[QUOTE=Nickk XD;869427]I wasn't saying Heroine and Ecstasy were the same thing. Both of these drugs are HIGHLY illegal and HIGHLY addictive. People have a misconception that ecstasy is "better" for you than other drugs...that's completely false. Yes, heroine is more potent as far as withdrawals and stuff...but they BOTH can make you addicted.

The scale for drugs is: (1=very addictive drug, 6=not so addictive). Not in any particular order below:

Nicotine-1
Heroine-2
Ecstasy-2 or arguably 3
Methamphetamine-2 or arguably 3
Cocaine-3
Alcohol-4
Caffeine-5
Marijuana-5


as somone who has taken and researched E allot and in fact E is the least harmful drug around as proven by reasearchers if any of u wanne check it out just youtube "bbc horizon is alchole more harmfull then ecstasy" where 5 prof. rate the top 20 drugs and E is number 18 on the list this is the list acording to most
1. Heroin (Class A)

2. Cocaine (Class A)

3. Barbiturates (Class B)

4. Street methadone (Class A)

5. Alcohol (Not controlled)

6. Ketamine (Class C)

7. Benzodiazepine (Class B)

8. Amphetamine (Class B)

9. Tobacco (No class)

10. Bupranorphine (Class C)

11. Cannabis (Class B)

12. Solvents (Not controlled)

13. 4-MTA (Class A)

14. LSD (Class A)

15. Methylphenidate (Class B)

16. Anabolic steroids (Class C)

17. GHB (Class C)

18. Ecstasy (Class A)

19. Alkylnitrates (Not controlled)

20. Khat (Not controlled)

now i took E about 50 times or so yea the downs can get a lil hard but i wholdent call it withdrewel or or addictive the only addictive feelings are u want more becuse its good not becuse your withdrewing and e overdose is rear most deaths are from dehidration (only 27 reported deaths in the uk per year from more then 600,000 users)
but haveing said that i dont think anyone shold start with it even if it is the least harmful its stil "harmfull" it damages the stomch lineing and more and some pills are not E but sold as E so if u ever try it test it cus they do put meth in and meth is in my opinion the worst drug ever!

[ShatteredWings]

Ya know what, this thread keeps getting half bumped and the OP seems to be long gone.
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