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ray8806
April 7th, 2010, 04:01 AM
Well, like Patchy, I might as well come out and say this too....

Alright, I am straight...or at least I want to think so.

However, I have had gay feelings arise in me for the past 2-3 years.(I'm 16). IDK, whether those feelings are of bisexuality, or homosexuality. I am leaning more toward the latter. It really hit me hard, when I broke up with my ex-girlfriend about a 1.5 years ago. Actually our relationship lasted 1.5 years too. I consider myself over her, so IDK if that is a factor in it now, but it definitely was a trigger. I keep suppressing the feelings as if I ever 'came out' it would be utter disaster.

I live in a strongly Pentecostal Christian home. I consider myself as a devote Christian, although my relationship with my Savior is a little rocky right now, I understand that that is my fault. In my beliefs, homosexuality is wrong and is sin. (These are my beliefs. Refrain from comments about them unless it is positive.) Being that I also believe that homosexuality is a choice, I don't think I could bring myself to actually declaring, even to myself, that I was bi or gay as this would mean breaking away from God completely for me. After all he has done for me, I don't think I can. But I cannot ignore the feelings.

Also, people look at me in school, as a strong Christian. So the normal 'Christian' stereotype comes along. Abstinence, no alcohol, no drugs, no cursing, etc. And of course, against homosexuality.(BTW I personally could care less if your gay, bu, straight whatever. To me, you are still a person and should not be treated differently) Obviously, between my school and family, there is NO ONE to tell about this. If I told my family, they would go ballistic and probably rush me down to the church for prayer(I am exaggerating), and if I told anyone at school, it could make Christianity look bad as well as myself. There is just no one to even talk to about this at all. So, thank the Almighty Father for VT.

I want to be straight, but i can't if these feelings don't go away. I pray almost every day about it, and I know God answers prayers, but it's been so long.

I just need advice, or at least some comfort.

curiousboy014
April 7th, 2010, 08:56 AM
This sounds like a hard time for you. Maybe I can give some comfort. In my views, you can be homosexual and still be a Christian. Yes, you will be sinning. But, you also sin if you eat to much, have sex before your married, lie, kill, and all those things. Guess who still gets into Heaven? The sinners. No one is perfect. I think God will allow you into Heaven and will still love you no matter if you are gay or straight. Remain true to God. Prayers aren't always answered in the way you want. He may have already answered your prayers. Maybe he doesn't want your feelings to go away. Keep praying and staying true to God.

On to your Family and Friends. I wouldn't come out yet. I know every one says be true to your self and come out blah blah blah. However, I wouldn't just yet. Maybe you could test the waters with your family one day. Ask them how they felt about homosexuality. Ask them what they thought of it. And then make a joke and be like, "What would you do if I was gay?" Just to see what they say. Once you know how they will react, then you may decided to come out. I know a lot of really christian friends that are gay and were afraid to come out to their parents. They thought all hell would break out and they would be dissowned and everything else. Turns out, they still love them. They are still their child. Just because they might not agree with your decisions, doesn't mean they won't love you.

On to your "Christian" look. You don't have to be the "Christian." That is actually a lot to live up to. I wouldn't come out to the school until after your parents. Maybe you can start treading the water lightly with your school mates and let them know that hey, your not perfect. You hate being considered the icon for christianity because it is hard to live up to. Trust me, no one can live up to the iconic Christianity any more.

If you have any question or just want to talk just private message me.

Hope I helped.

ray8806
April 7th, 2010, 12:29 PM
Oh yea, I know that God would still love me as he loves everyone. He is always faithful though we are often not. I understand that.

Thanks. It did help. But I pretty much know how my parents would react. I mean, my step-dad is an usher at the church and everything, while my mom is in the choir. My family is very involved, and if I were gay and came out, then I know all Hell would break loose. :/ lol.

IDK. More comments, would help too.

fallen xxi
April 7th, 2010, 01:02 PM
Two posts above me is a very..."controversial" and perhaps ignorant comment. You, as a devout Christian should know what the book of Leviticus says about homosexuality. So, in turn, if you are homosexual (which is unlikely if you're just having curious thoughts and aren't thinking about being in a relationship with another boy), you would be going to hell according to the Bible unless you do realize your sin and pray for forgiveness and never practice that sin again. Which, in a case of being attracted to the same sex is essentially impossible. That's why the Bible is ****ed up in many places in my opinion (another topic, another day, I know).

So basically, I wouldn't put a mark on yourself just yet. We're young, we have growing minds, bodies, and hormonal thoughts. Don't think about it until you're much older and more mature to make a statement on sexuality. That's just my 2 cents.

ray8806
April 7th, 2010, 02:06 PM
That's why the Bible is ****ed up in many places in my opinion (another topic, another day, I know).


Did I not ask for people to refrain from comments like this?

So you can better understand my situation, I will elaborate on my 'feelings'.

I don't know if I could see myself in an actual relationship with a guy...at least not a long one. I could with a girl, but then again, girls don't 'turn me on' as much as guys.

I guess I have that physical attraction to guys with a bit of an emotional one too. i have no clue, I am so confused.

((I don't want people to focus too heavily on the religion part, as much as the secular situation at hand.))

Lifeguard18
April 7th, 2010, 02:37 PM
well, homosexuality is definalty not a choice. if chosing to be gay or straight was a choice, i would definatly choose to be straight. my friends who are gay and bi also think the same.

your hormones are acting up which is the case too. they have a big act during puberty. lol. if i were you, i wouldnt label myself anything right now. i would wait until you turn 17 to find out who you really are. to me, you arent gay. its a tough time in puberty. most people say by 16 or 17 you know your sexuality. i came out as bi when i was 16. ive known for years i was until the 7th grade i felt it more. and now, i am just gay, i dont have any kind of attraction towards girls. just as friends. most of my friends who know i am "Bi" are girls. im not ready to tell people i am fully gay.

you could try to find a support group near you, or, talk to a friend that you can 100% trust. if i were you, i wouldnt tell my parents about this either. and online is probably the best place to get help (Of course duh. VT all day every day baby. wow that sounds lame. haha. yes VT has helped me come out to people and in a lot of tough situations. thas why i love VT and the VT Community.)

ask yourself these questions with yes or no:

1. Do I think guys are hot, cute, looking?
2. Do I see myself going out with a guy?
3. Would I "do anything" with another guy?
4. Do I see myself kissing another guy?
5. Do I think guys are way more attractive than girls?
6. Would a guy be better for me than a girl, or both sexes?
7. Would people accept me?

If you answered no to 1-6, you are most likely straight
If you answered yes and no 1-6, you most likely just curious and not gay or you could be bi
If you answered yes to 1-6, you are most likely gay.
Only you can decide number 7, only you can decide 1-7.

Dont follow what i put down in that survey thing. lol. that was just something quick i came up with that could possibly help you out a little.

good luck to you. and being an accepting person, is being a good person and friend. you dont show hate and that is 100% awesomeness :D

Nickk XD
April 7th, 2010, 02:39 PM
Keep in mind that during puberty you will experience random feelings.

So the survey the last poster provided is not an accurate way to determine your sexuality...just yet.

Peace God
April 7th, 2010, 02:43 PM
First of all homosexuality/bisexuality is NOT a choice. If it was a choice you certainly wouldnt be having these feelings. The bibles view on homosexuality is very vague and is often taken out of context, and in my opinion it is not a sin. Also many of the practices of the bible aren't even used by modern day christians. Why would a god make you a certain way and then make you a sinner for it? You are tearing yourself down because of something that he is obviously ok with.

I also wouldnt say that you are ready to come out until you know for sure that you are gay/bi and you are able to accept it.

Lifeguard18
April 7th, 2010, 02:43 PM
Keep in mind that during puberty you will experience random feelings.

So the survey the last poster provided is not an accurate way to determine your sexuality...just yet.

i know its not accurate, i said dont follow what i say, its just someting quick i made that COULD POSSIBLY help.

curiousboy014
April 7th, 2010, 04:22 PM
Two posts above me is a very..."controversial" and perhaps ignorant comment. You, as a devout Christian should know what the book of Leviticus says about homosexuality. So, in turn, if you are homosexual (which is unlikely if you're just having curious thoughts and aren't thinking about being in a relationship with another boy), you would be going to hell according to the Bible unless you do realize your sin and pray for forgiveness and never practice that sin again.

Ok, first who are you to say my comment is Ignorant? Apparently your views are different about mine, you have no right to bash what I say. Yes, it was controversial. Hello, religion is controversial!

Ok, sorry I had to defend myself there.

Like what the person above me, somewhere, said, don't come out unless you know for sure that is what you are, and you can live with it. You don't want to tell everyone you are and then say NVM just kidding I'm really not. People might not believe you and your credibility would be shot.

You are still young to decide if you are gay or bi or straight. Your hormones are talking at the moment.

Nickk XD
April 7th, 2010, 08:23 PM
Oh, I didn't mean to attack you.

The survey MAY be useful...but to someone who has already finished puberty completely.

i know its not accurate, i said dont follow what i say, its just someting quick i made that COULD POSSIBLY help.

----

Unfortunately, I must agree with flarnfilth. His response IS controversial (simply because of the Catholic/Christian churches that refuse to accept science as an answer)...but EVERY scientific study performed on homosexuality vs. heterosexuality shows that the brains in these two types of people are VASTLY different. The brains of a homosexual male is almost identical to that of a heterosexual female. The brains of a homosexual female is almost identical to a heterosexual male (except it is less similar than a homosexual male to a female).

The brain development that occurs that determines sexuality occurs in the womb, before birth. During the time your in the womb, you (both men and women) are exposed to the highest levels of testosterone that you will ever be exposed to. But, mistakes occur. Whenever you are exposed to an altered amount of testosterone (which forms the brain before you're born) you can have an altered brain which can result in homosexuality and/or other birth defects. YOU CANNOT UNDO THIS. Do you think that someday the doctors will be able to say "Your child will be born gay"...well YES...they are only about 5 years away from that. What about them saying "Your child will be born gay, would you like us to alter him to make him heterosexual)"...well YES...that is about 10 years away. That is a very controversial thing for the gay community.

The reason things are random during puberty is hormones (testosterone mainly in men and estrogen mainly in women...but both sexes have at least a little of the other) are fluctuating rapidly. On days you have more estrogen, you will feel more feminine (you may not literally feel like using nail polish or whatever, but you are temporarily attracted to guys). Other days, when you have excess levels of testosterone, you will feel more manly. Those are the days you might want to go hunting, etc. The time to begin to wonder is when puberty is about over and those feelings of homosexuality have not passed.

On a religious note, the bible is VERY vague. No where does it say "You will sin if you like men..." hehe I rhymed. You must read the original version of the bible, which is not in English, to get a proper grasp of what is really happening. Many words have been misinterpreted to English. There is NO TERM relating to "homosexuality" in the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic versions. No where is it condemned in the ORIGINAL versions of the bible. They do; however, condemn acts like being heterosexual but engaging in sex with the same sex. That means if your straight, don't go have sex with another guy...but what if you're gay and feel obligated to have a man? I'm sure somewhere the bible talks about sodomy, too...but not to the degree you see in the current English versions.

ray8806
April 7th, 2010, 09:34 PM
*Shakes head*

This has went somewhere where I didn't want it to go. I didn't want people to focus on the religious points, but rather on at least lending me some comfort. I could care less about what your beliefs are compared to mine. That ISN'T what this thread is about.

So PLEASE no more religiously involved thread, unless it directly pertains to comforting me/giving me advice in a positive note.

Nickk XD
April 8th, 2010, 03:27 AM
My religious note was backing you up :p

*Shakes head*

This has went somewhere where I didn't want it to go. I didn't want people to focus on the religious points, but rather on at least lending me some comfort. I could care less about what your beliefs are compared to mine. That ISN'T what this thread is about.

So PLEASE no more religiously involved thread, unless it directly pertains to comforting me/giving me advice in a positive note.

Peace God
April 8th, 2010, 09:15 AM
*Shakes head*

This has went somewhere where I didn't want it to go. I didn't want people to focus on the religious points, but rather on at least lending me some comfort. I could care less about what your beliefs are compared to mine. That ISN'T what this thread is about.

So PLEASE no more religiously involved thread, unless it directly pertains to comforting me/giving me advice in a positive note.

Well my friend, you have to ask yourself what is the main cause of your suffering? It seems to me that you are conflicted between your strong religious views and your natural (and normal) sexual feelings. We are simply resolving the problem at what we think is the source. Because of the fact that you think it is a sin and that it choice you are automatically putting yourself in an oppressive mind state and you are tearing yourself down. I and some of the other people on this thread said a lot to help you but you have to decide if you want to keep on ignoring it or if you just want to hear comforting sugar coated posts that will only temporarily avoid your problems.

There are many good christians that don't agree with some of the churches views. It doesn't make you any less of a person to god.

Unfortunately, I must agree with flarnfilth. His response IS controversial...
My response might be controversial but i know from first hand experience that it is not a choice.

lagiacrus
April 8th, 2010, 10:25 AM
Yeah dude settle down for a bit. You are in Puberty. Your hormones are going crazy. You could still be straight.

Although... nvm.

ray8806
April 8th, 2010, 11:35 AM
Well my friend, you have to ask yourself what is the main cause of your suffering? It seems to me that you are conflicted between your strong religious views and your natural (and normal) sexual feelings. We are simply resolving the problem at what we think is the source. Because of the fact that you think it is a sin and that it choice you are automatically putting yourself in an oppressive mind state and you are tearing yourself down. I and some of the other people on this thread said a lot to help you but you have to decide if you want to keep on ignoring it or if you just want to hear comforting sugar coated posts that will only temporarily avoid your problems.

There are many good christians that don't agree with some of the churches views. It doesn't make you any less of a person to god.

My response might be controversial but i know from first hand experience that it is not a choice.

I didn't get on VT to have people try to change my religious views. I am grounded in them. They are what they are.

In MY Christian views, these don't have to be yours, just listen so we can better asses this situation:

1) Homosexuality is clearly defined in the Bible by the verse of Romans 1:26.

2) Homosexuality IS a choice. We are born straight. And if you believe otherwise, well then since God can do all things, he can change your 'feelings' for you.

3) With all of the above in mind, I do not, however, think that homosexual people are any inferior to myself, nor are they superior. As God loves all people, no matter what types of sin, or no sin that we get ourselves into, He will always love us. God will never think anything 'lower' of anyone, ever. But we have to accept that fact that He has to judge us. (Quite frankly, I'm glad it is him than any other.) And that is something important to note. God judges us. No other person or being.

Anyway, there they are. If you have any other questions about them, PM me. But not on this thread. And if I said anything to offend you in any way, I am terribly sorry.

Peace God
April 8th, 2010, 12:46 PM
I didn't get on VT to have people try to change my religious views. I am grounded in them. They are what they are.
then what do you want us to tell you? why did you even start this thread if you are going to feel the same way about yourself?

you're religious views are the problem...but im not saying change all of them

2) Homosexuality IS a choice. We are born straight.
so if you are tuned by guys it is your choice?
why not choose not to be turned on by guys?
why are you choosing to sin?
EDIT: watch this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYMjXucTFaM)

And if you believe otherwise, well then since God can do all things, he can change your 'feelings' for you.
if he changes your sexual feelings that would make it his choice... not yours

if I said anything to offend you in any way, I am terribly sorry.
haha, you're not offending me man...im not religious

My main point is that no one in this modern age(including the pope) follows all of the teachings in the bible. As I have said before "There are many good christians that don't agree with some of the churches views. It doesn't make you any less of a person to god."

Let me simplify this for you:
1. reject that it is choice and a sin.(You can still remain a good christian)
or
2.Keep your outdated and scientifically disproven theory that homosexuality is a choice and hope that your homo urges are just temporary from hormones.

i hate to put it this way but it's true

ray8806
April 8th, 2010, 04:00 PM
O.O

Dear God. This got way out of hand. And IDK why. That's sad, I'm not trying to push my religion on everyone, and I try to be the most respectful person of others' beliefs.

I post ONE thread in my VT membership and my religious views get bashed by every single respondent except one. I never tried to force my beliefs down your throat, so why do you try to force your beliefs down mine?

I figured as 'understanding' as people in VT seem, they could at least be respectful about my beliefs. But I guess not. Everyone else can pour themselves out to all of you, but ONE person tries to request a little comfort who just so happens to have a little religious-sexual battles in his life, instead of just sexual, and needs help and he gets attacked.

WHY?!? Because the people that responded so negatively toward my beliefs have no respect for other people, no common courtesy, and no maturity.

A RESPECTFUL person would acknowledge to themselves that their views are different that mine, but still try to help without stepping on toes, instead of saying how 'wrong' my beliefs are and that they are the root of my problem.

Peace God
April 8th, 2010, 04:20 PM
A RESPECTFUL person would acknowledge to themselves that their views are different that mine, but still try to help without stepping on toes, instead of saying how 'wrong' my beliefs are and that they are the root of my problem.
Well im sorry for trying help you...every thing i told you is the truth and the only belief i bashed was your idea that homosexuality is a choice.
Avoid it if you want but that is the key to solving your problem.

And I hope you at least thought about and considered what everyone else had to say. Then it wouldn't have been a waste of time.

Blue63
April 8th, 2010, 04:55 PM
Okay, I'm going to try and end this on a good note. Attempting to give some support and spread a little love.

First of all, let me relate to you. I'm a practicing and doing-everything-I-can-to-be-faithful Christian, go to a catholic school, and understand what you mean about talking to your family about it.

I also share your sporadic gay feelings, and want them so much to stop. I like your idea about praying for it. I've prayed for strength before, but never thought about being specific, I shall certainly try that. I would definitely keep that up. But I won't focus on the religion.

I think the main thing to take out of the posts in this thread is that our hormones are going crazy. We can't control them. There was a great post earlier in this thread explaining how that works, I personally found that helpful. So yeah, maybe somedays we feel more "gay" than other days. In our teenage years I think it's hard to grasp a true label for yourself, no matter how mature you are.

Part of me thinks that the struggle against the homosexual feelings are what keeps them coming back. Of course, this is just a personal theory and I'm really not sure. I think, although you probably have already done this, it would be very beneficial to explore the roots of our feelings. In what ways is there a gay physical attraction? In what ways do we experience gay emotional attraction? I'm not entirely sure what this reveals but at least we have a somewhat better understanding of our emotions. If we let our emotions flow, feel them, experience them, and then analyze them, perhaps we can find out a decent amount out about ourselves.

Of course, this isn't easy. It takes a great amount of time. Something you just have to think about whenever you get a chance. I know I do, I've learned some things, both good and bad, about myself. I suggest you try and do the same.

Know you're not alone. Pray. Think. Hope for the best.

ray8806
April 8th, 2010, 05:53 PM
See THAT post above me, was a constructive post. Not just because he said he was also in the same boat, which helped a lot, but he was respectful about it and the way he suggested things.

I now have a higher respect for you, Blue63. :)

curiousboy014
April 8th, 2010, 09:32 PM
O.O

Dear God. This got way out of hand. And IDK why. That's sad, I'm not trying to push my religion on everyone, and I try to be the most respectful person of others' beliefs.

I post ONE thread in my VT membership and my religious views get bashed by every single respondent except one. I never tried to force my beliefs down your throat, so why do you try to force your beliefs down mine?

I figured as 'understanding' as people in VT seem, they could at least be respectful about my beliefs. But I guess not. Everyone else can pour themselves out to all of you, but ONE person tries to request a little comfort who just so happens to have a little religious-sexual battles in his life, instead of just sexual, and needs help and he gets attacked.

WHY?!? Because the people that responded so negatively toward my beliefs have no respect for other people, no common courtesy, and no maturity.

A RESPECTFUL person would acknowledge to themselves that their views are different that mine, but still try to help without stepping on toes, instead of saying how 'wrong' my beliefs are and that they are the root of my problem.

I am sorry if you thought I was bashing your religion. I meant no harm by what I said. I was seriously only stating what I believed. I am terribly sorry to anyone else that thought I was bashing them as well. I do not wish to force my religion on any at all. Please don't take what I said as bashing anyone's religion.

I was weighing my original post so heavily on Religion mainly because to me that is what it sounded like your main problem was.

If you are worried about your parents and what others will think, then wait. Again, you may not be gay. You ma be straight and you just have these curious feelings at the moment. After you finish puberty if you still have feelings then you could be bi.

I also feel that maybe you believe that you have a certain reputation to live up to in school. Everyone views you as the "Christian" at school and you don't want to portray a Christian as anything "bad." In most people's eyes, homosexuality is bad. I can understand where you are coming from here, I battle with my curiosity and feelings every day. I am a big religious fanatic and big time Christian. However, I also know that not one person can embody ALL the Christian beliefs. No MAN can live a sinless life, in my belief, so you will mess up. You won't be able to live a perfect life. Let people know that. Let them know that you are tied of being the "Christian" that isn't supposed to mess up. Let them know that it puts a lot of stress on you. Live you life the way you want to live! Don't live your life the way others portray you! If you do, then you will NEVER live comfortably and happy. If you end up being gay, then so be it. Yeah it may not be the "Christian" thing to be, but I know so many Christians that are gay. (I know the whole saying, just because everyone does it doesn't make it right, come into play here; you just have to pray to God and ask for His guidance. Let God show you where to go) Ok off of Religion again, sorry.

If I rambled and you want me to clarify just let me know.

Sorry again if I offended you in any way. I never meant to.

Peace God
April 8th, 2010, 09:36 PM
See THAT post above me, was a constructive post. Pray. Think. Hope for the best.
Good luck with that.

Lifeguard18
April 8th, 2010, 10:44 PM
[QUOTE=nicknrm;844821]Oh, I didn't mean to attack you.

i know. i think i was the one who attacked. i should of put haha or lol at the end of what i said.

Perseus
April 8th, 2010, 11:13 PM
Oh, I didn't mean to attack you.

The survey MAY be useful...but to someone who has already finished puberty completely.



----

Unfortunately, I must agree with flarnfilth. His response IS controversial (simply because of the Catholic/Christian churches that refuse to accept science as an answer)...but EVERY scientific study performed on homosexuality vs. heterosexuality shows that the brains in these two types of people are VASTLY different. The brains of a homosexual male is almost identical to that of a heterosexual female. The brains of a homosexual female is almost identical to a heterosexual male (except it is less similar than a homosexual male to a female).

The brain development that occurs that determines sexuality occurs in the womb, before birth. During the time your in the womb, you (both men and women) are exposed to the highest levels of testosterone that you will ever be exposed to. But, mistakes occur. Whenever you are exposed to an altered amount of testosterone (which forms the brain before you're born) you can have an altered brain which can result in homosexuality and/or other birth defects. YOU CANNOT UNDO THIS. Do you think that someday the doctors will be able to say "Your child will be born gay"...well YES...they are only about 5 years away from that. What about them saying "Your child will be born gay, would you like us to alter him to make him heterosexual)"...well YES...that is about 10 years away. That is a very controversial thing for the gay community.

The reason things are random during puberty is hormones (testosterone mainly in men and estrogen mainly in women...but both sexes have at least a little of the other) are fluctuating rapidly. On days you have more estrogen, you will feel more feminine (you may not literally feel like using nail polish or whatever, but you are temporarily attracted to guys). Other days, when you have excess levels of testosterone, you will feel more manly. Those are the days you might want to go hunting, etc. The time to begin to wonder is when puberty is about over and those feelings of homosexuality have not passed.

On a religious note, the bible is VERY vague. No where does it say "You will sin if you like men..." hehe I rhymed. You must read the original version of the bible, which is not in English, to get a proper grasp of what is really happening. Many words have been misinterpreted to English. There is NO TERM relating to "homosexuality" in the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic versions. No where is it condemned in the ORIGINAL versions of the bible. They do; however, condemn acts like being heterosexual but engaging in sex with the same sex. That means if your straight, don't go have sex with another guy...but what if you're gay and feel obligated to have a man? I'm sure somewhere the bible talks about sodomy, too...but not to the degree you see in the current English versions.

OP, this a wonderful post, I think you should put it into consideration, but whatever. The Bible was written in Greek, to Hebrew, then to Latin, then to other languages.

Anyway, you are contradicting yourself. You believe that being gay is a choice, so then by what you believe, you shouldn't be feeling these "feelings". What you are feeling is part of puberty, so don't worry. Don't stress yourself thinking that you are gay, and if you are, accept it, don't hate yourself.

I, myself, am a Christian, but I do not believe that praying is gonna change anything. Think about it this way - If God always answered peoples' prayers, then stuff would randomly happen here on Earth, if you understand what I'm getting at. Praying for an answer in everything will not help, I don't care if I'm not 'respecting your beliefs', because I am respecting them.

Nickk XD
April 9th, 2010, 10:19 PM
I was completely backing you up.

I stated that it is controversial but that SCIENCE has even proven it is not a choice...

It is controversial because religion refuses to accept science.



My response might be controversial but i know from first hand experience that it is not a choice.

Peace God
April 10th, 2010, 01:17 AM
I was completely backing you up.

I stated that it is controversial but that SCIENCE has even proven it is not a choice...

It is controversial because religion refuses to accept science.
i know man, i completely understood what you were saying...i guess i could of worded my post differently it sounded kind of defensive

The Harlequin
April 10th, 2010, 07:11 PM
Look, you shouldn't worry about how you, as an individual, make Christianity 'look', as in my view if you know you're a good Christian, and if you have a decent relationship with God, that's all that should matter. The religion's image is up to the people who are in charge of it, don't add such an unnecessary burden to yourself,

Also ~ homosexuality is not a choice, if it was you wouldn't 'choose' to be homosexual or even thinking about it, so in this case that logic doesn't really apply.

You can't beat yourself up for what you can't control, we aren't supposed to be puppets ~ we're supposed to be the best people we can ~ whether that means you're black white straight gay ~ all that fades into insignificance if you take the Bible's overall message: 'spread good across the world' and live by it!

We're here and we're alive.
There is a chance God might not exist, but even in the unlikely event that he isn't real at least we are good people, who hopefully made the world a better place. Even if the difference is slight, it's worth it (:^,

Johnny_John
April 11th, 2010, 01:13 PM
It might be since you had a girlfriend for a year and a half, you might actually lovesick.
I know it sounds weird, but you want love and your body is not being controlled in that...
Hang in there, love awaits you at some point...

The Madman
April 13th, 2010, 08:33 AM
I doubt this will help since loads of people have already answered you about this but i will try anyways.

I dont believe there is a God but if there is then Im going to say this :

God will love you no matter who or what you are because you are one of His many children and no matter what you do He will love you.

jaceeyman
October 23rd, 2010, 11:40 PM
its ok man you can talk to me i have friends who are going through the same exact feelings and pressure you are we just have to stay strong and know who we are on the inside.

LoginLeo
October 24th, 2010, 10:44 AM
Listen up man
U can't control your feelings
as i see it - God gives you the feelings, you have to deal with them
It's my opinion
now - it's your choise.
Being gay is ok. but not for everybody
But - if u ARE gay, then that's what you are. and that's it, you can't change it.
If u feel st toward men, feel LOVE, or get a CRUSH, then that's it. I think that that's what God sent to you.
God creates animals, and - surprise surprise - there are gay animals. just like gay human beings.
if u have no feelings like LOVE or getting a CRUSH, then it's puberty, u r confused. will be fine.

jack316
October 25th, 2010, 11:26 AM
I feels so bad for you :) you seem like such a nice guy

I myself am not christian (atheist) but I understand that you stand by your beliefs just like I stand behind mine

If you are gay accept it. This may be hard but if "god loves everyone" "if you believe in Jesus you go to heaven" and stuff along those lines is true (as you believe) then god doesn't care if you are gay or straight or bi , only that you believe in him.

I hope I helped you :) [content removed~Goose]

Brandon K
October 28th, 2010, 08:24 PM
its perfectly fine. God will still love you. your parents will get it over it. if you have those fellings its ok. dont worry about it to much=]

ray8806
November 4th, 2010, 05:13 PM
Wow guys. Talk about bumping an old thread! I posted this in April...this is November.

But I guess I can give an update. :)

I'm not gay, I've made my peace and am straight. I sort of 'grew' out of it I guess. IDK how to explain it. It was like, I could never think about being with a chick, only with a guy. Then that started to eventually and slowly change and now it the opposite way. Weird. But oh well.

I think it was something used to 'bring me to my knees' if you will. Before this incident, I was pretty much homophobic, but because of this I'm accepting of gay/bi people. I mean, they're still people and if they want to be gay, then I hope they go for it with their whole being and feel happy because of it. :)

Oh well, thanks for the encouragement guys! You are all awesome!

wwwood
May 19th, 2011, 04:37 PM
Dudddddddeee!! same story :/

Syvelocin
May 19th, 2011, 09:18 PM
Please do not bump old threads :locked: