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Perseus
April 4th, 2010, 06:06 PM
Should you be required to join your country's army when you turn a certain age? Or, should a country impose a draft when your country is in a war and is losing/ doesn't have enough troops in the war?
mrmcdonaldduck
April 4th, 2010, 06:10 PM
Conscription is one thing that should never happpen unless their is a major war that your country is at risk of loosing. I would never want to be in a draft to have to serve in a millitary, that just shows your country wants to go to war even more. I think that any country that has conscription is outdated and outmoded and doesnt really place much care on their citizens welfare.
Evermore
April 4th, 2010, 08:24 PM
No, absolutely not. To be put on the battlefield to murder people and risk that happening to you without a choice is horrible. Especially since most wars are over petty reasons.
nick
April 4th, 2010, 08:33 PM
No, absolutely not. To be put on the battlefield to murder people and risk that happening to you without a choice is horrible. Especially since most wars are over petty reasons.
Agree 100%.
I can see that there might be cases, like in the UK during WWII where it becomes necessary, but hopefully for most countries those times are past.
ltimm
April 4th, 2010, 08:52 PM
Absolutely not! During the Vietnam Conflict, the draft was initiated. Protests formed all over the country. Did the gov't do anything about it? No. We didn't even [I]need[I] to be there. If anything, drafts just make countries more power hungry.
Antares
April 4th, 2010, 09:05 PM
I agree, I think that the only time when a country should conscript is when there is a MAJOR shortage of troops and these troops can be a matter of winning and losing.
I don't necessarily think it would be a horrible idea if people served like a year or two years in the military after they graduate...might teach these young kids something lol.
Perseus
April 4th, 2010, 09:42 PM
In my original post, I forgot to add "join". So, I shall reiterate myself. Should you be required to join your country's military, regardless of a war or not, at a certain age, such as eighteen or something?
xiaozi
April 5th, 2010, 12:20 AM
Well, that's a tough question. The govt should always act in the best interested of the people (I know they don't, but bare with me...).
You can't just say that the govt should never be allowed to do this because in the end if no one joined the military a country could easily be overtaken. And that is not in the best interest of the people.
Look at North and South Korea. 2 years military service is mandatory for all South Koreans. Can anybody say this is not good? If it were not required most would not join, I know a lot who are dreading those two years. If South Korea's military shrank any more (and America were not helping them out) North Korea would invade and take over in a second.
It's in the best interest of the people to have mandatory service. It's not necessary for every country, but it is the government's responsibility to require it if it is necessary.
Sugaree
April 5th, 2010, 12:45 AM
No to both. One has the choice to join the army or not and the government should have no right whatsoever to draft someone in. That's giving them a death sentence to say the least. If a country is losing a war, I believe the best thing to do is admit defeat and pull out. If you know you're losing, don't try to keep winning. It only shows one as being stubborn and irritable.
Disco Jones
April 5th, 2010, 01:35 AM
No to both. One has the choice to join the army or not and the government should have no right whatsoever to draft someone in. That's giving them a death sentence to say the least. If a country is losing a war, I believe the best thing to do is admit defeat and pull out. If you know you're losing, don't try to keep winning. It only shows one as being stubborn and irritable.
It's not always that easy, depending on why you're fighting the war. There doesn't even need to be a war. If you are, for example, Israel, it's important to maintain a strong military to protect yourself from all the neighbors that hate you.
karl
April 5th, 2010, 02:11 AM
Only in extreme necessity. NATO forces are professional, so there's no need at the moment.
Peace God
April 5th, 2010, 03:41 AM
Hell No..and imo, if you're already losing a war 1000s of untrained(or poorly trained) soldiers will do nothing. Also, if that country doesnt surrender than guerrilla warfare is what it will come down to anyway.
INFERNO
April 5th, 2010, 04:59 AM
I think before conscription is set forth, if your country's army is being beat down badly while the enemy's army is not, then perhaps it's time to begin calling defeat because sending out fairly untrained, random civilians against a huge amount of well-trained soldiers is not going to do a terrible lot. Also, trying to get other countries in to help would be suitable, even more so when the enemy is not likely or refusing to quit attacking.
Huskyboy132
April 5th, 2010, 05:30 AM
Should you be required to join your country's army when you turn a certain age? Or, should a country impose a draft when your country is in a war and is losing/ doesn't have enough troops in the war?
With my Swiss Nationality, I'm required to do National Service once I'm 18. This includes going to the Army for about 9 months. Luckily Holland removed National Service 10 years ago otherwise I would have to do it again. I think a draft wouldn't be fair towards the people, i think the people should choose to go if they want to or not.
Perseus
April 5th, 2010, 09:22 AM
Hell No..and imo, if you're already losing a war 1000s of untrained(or poorly trained) soldiers will do nothing. Also, if that country doesnt surrender than guerrilla warfare is what it will come down to anyway.
That's how wars are fought. Guerrilla warfare.
Jess
April 5th, 2010, 09:46 AM
I do not want my brother in the army
Peace God
April 5th, 2010, 09:58 AM
That's how wars are fought. Guerrilla warfare.
not here...
Perseus
April 5th, 2010, 10:03 AM
not here...
Where's here?
Peace God
April 5th, 2010, 10:14 AM
Where's here?
los estados unidos
Perseus
April 5th, 2010, 10:29 AM
los estados unidos
The war in Iraq and Afghanistan are Guerrilla. I mean, they aren't line battles, lol. So, the modern day wars are Guerrilla.
Patchy
April 5th, 2010, 10:50 AM
I feel if you can't find a job and your medically fit then you should do national service until you find a job.
By that I mean the amount of 18 year olds that live off job seekers benefit but never actually look for jobs. Might as well get them doing something that teaches them discipline
Kahn
April 5th, 2010, 12:02 PM
No. There is always a way out of war, and if there is a draft (As called in the U.S) the public is almost always outraged. I forget which country it is, (Israel?), but one makes you serve a 4 year military service once you turn 18.
Continuum
April 5th, 2010, 12:12 PM
I don't think using conscripts as fodder will solve anything, though playing guerilla is an option
Peace God
April 5th, 2010, 01:03 PM
The war in Iraq and Afghanistan are Guerrilla. I mean, they aren't line battles, lol. So, the modern day wars are Guerrilla.
:headbonk:
I meant that there is no warfare inside the continental united states.
In my first post i was under the impression that we were talking about what would happen if the U.S.(or Aus or UK) was losing a war. I was implying that if the situation were to happen then we would most likely have to start fighting within our country and many of us would have to resort to using guerrilla warfare tactics.
and yeah, civil war line battles would suck nowadays lol
EDIT: Call be a pussy but, i would be okay with surrendering. Fuck dying with honor.
And hey you never know... we might end up with a better gov't.
Whisper
April 5th, 2010, 01:46 PM
In America? Fuck no.
In countries that don't go to war every 5 seconds like Norway or Greece, it seems to work out pretty good.
SafeAuto
April 5th, 2010, 06:22 PM
I'm sure that most countries with severe security issues like Israel and South Korea make good use of a mandatory military conscription, and if it was to suddenly be abolished, those said countries would be SOL.
I think it should also be made clear that nations don't just give you a gun and a slap on the ass when conscripted. You are trained according to how the situation. Not to mention that in democratic nations, a draft could be removed if the people really dislike the idea.
I personally don't see a problem with a government forcing its population into arms; as long as that government is acting in the best interests of the people.
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