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Sapphire
March 28th, 2010, 10:34 AM
MILLIONS of Britons face being snooped on by a new European intelligence agency which has been handed frightening powers to pry into our lives.

Europol can access personal information on anyone – including their political opinions and sexual preferences – if it suspects, rightly or wrongly, that they may be involved in any “preparatory act” which could lead to criminal activity.
The vagueness of the Hague-based force’s remit sparked furious protests yesterday with critics warning that the EU snoopers threaten our right to free speech.

It is understood the agency will concentrate on anyone thought “xenophobic” or likely to commit a crime involving the environment, computers or motor vehicles.
This could include covert monitoring of people who deny the existence of climate change or speak out on controversial issues.

Paul Nuttall, chairman of the UK Independence Party, said: “I am horrified. We thought Gordon Brown’s Big Brother state was bad enough but at least we are going to kick him out in May. These guys we cannot sack until we leave the EU.”
James Welch, legal director of campaign group Liberty, said: “We have huge concerns that Europol appears to have been given powers to hold very sensitive information and to investigate matters that aren’t even crimes in this country. Any extension of police powers at any level needs to be properly debated and scrutinised.”

Until January 1, Europol was a police office funded by various states to help tackle international organised crime. But it has been reborn as the official criminal intelligence-gathering arm of the EU and Brussels has vastly increased its powers.
It can now target more than simply organised crime and the burden of proof required to begin monitoring an individual has been downgraded.
Europol has also been absorbed into the EU superstructure, so it will be centrally funded, sweeping away a key check on its independence.

Campaigners last night expressed concern over the vague list of “serious crimes” which the agency can help investigate, which include racism and xenophobia, environmental crime and corruption. Among personal details that can be gathered and stored are “behavioural data” including “lifestyle and routine; movements; places frequented”, tax position and profiles of DNA and voice.
Where relevant, Europol will also be able to keep data on a person’s “political opinions, religious or philosophical beliefs or trade union membership and data concerning health or sex life”.

Sean Gabb, director of the Libertarian Alliance, warned that it threatened our right to free speech.
“It doesn’t surprise me that Europol has been handed these rather frightening powers,” he said. “We now live in a pan-European state so it was to be expected that it would have a federal police force with powers over us.
“There is a real danger that opposition to EU policies could make an individual liable to arrest.
“For example, if Brussels adopts a hard-line stance on climate change, it’s conceivable that someone who broadcasts their scepticism of climate change may be accused of committing an environmental crime because they have undermined the EU’s efforts to save mankind.”

Timothy Kirkhope, Conservative leader in the European Parliament, said: “Europol’s new mandate has significantly expanded its powers.
“There is a real chance that the vague mandate will enable it to gradually extend its areas of intervention even further.”
The Home Office insisted the changes were in Britain’s interests.
A spokesman said: “Europol is now in a much stronger position to better support our fight against serious and organised crime and terrorism.”

- Source (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/165256/New-EU-gestapo-spies-on-Britons)

Sage
March 28th, 2010, 10:45 AM
May this be a lesson to all the people who here in North America are so mislead into thinking that Europe is some sort of utopian society.

scuba steve
March 28th, 2010, 11:53 AM
doubt it will last very long, just think of all the differant political parties that will oppose it across the EU like the national front for example

Whisper
March 28th, 2010, 01:37 PM
May this be a lesson to all the people who here in North America are so mislead into thinking that Europe is some sort of utopian society.
-cough- patriot act -cough-

CaptainObvious
March 28th, 2010, 01:43 PM
May this be a lesson to all the people who here in North America are so mislead into thinking that Europe is some sort of utopian society.

You think this doesn't happen already? I have a friend who is very pro-Palestinian. He is also an upper class white kid attending university who would never hurt a fly. But he knows for a fact he is monitored by the Canadian government; a status he posted in December on his private Facebook page about the Gaza Freedom March got him the honor of an email from a consular official notifying him of the violations to Egyptian law of attending such an event and the fact that Canadian citizens attending would not be protected from the consequences of such violations.

It happens everywhere.

Sapphire
March 28th, 2010, 04:11 PM
This type of things does happen in a number of different countries but that doesn't mean that it is something that should be accepted or tolerated.

The EU are doing this and also want to control the budgets of member states with penalties for member states with large debts.
We seriously need to get out of there.

AgusCO
March 28th, 2010, 05:05 PM
Seriously? Wow... I seriously hope a solution can be found.
I don't live in Britain but I loved it and got a sense of freedom back there, yes,even with all the CCTV and stuff, people are very accepting of each other(it seems to me) and you have things like Speakers' Corner.
This reminds me of a story I once read, but I can't remember the name(It was not 1948, although it may be applicable)

Whisper
March 28th, 2010, 05:12 PM
You think this doesn't happen already? I have a friend who is very pro-Palestinian. He is also an upper class white kid attending university who would never hurt a fly. But he knows for a fact he is monitored by the Canadian government; a status he posted in December on his private Facebook page about the Gaza Freedom March got him the honor of an email from a consular official notifying him of the violations to Egyptian law of attending such an event and the fact that Canadian citizens attending would not be protected from the consequences of such violations.

It happens everywhere.

dude canadians don't defend their citizens anywhere LOL
if your a Canadian in trouble on foreign soil well you just fucked
cause the Canadian government won't do a damn thing

CaptainObvious
March 28th, 2010, 05:13 PM
dude canadians don't defend their citizens anywhere LOL

Haha true enough, but the point is that somebody was watching closely enough to catch that. :P

Antares
March 28th, 2010, 08:28 PM
lol hopefully you have nothing to hide from this europol thing. seems like europe is jumping on the us' way of doing things

Sapphire
March 29th, 2010, 03:45 AM
lol hopefully you have nothing to hide from this europol thing. seems like europe is jumping on the us' way of doing things
It doesn't matter if you "have something to hide" or not.
What matters is the principal. It goes against our rights and freedoms as legal and law abiding adults. They shouldn't be allowed to do this and we shouldn't have to put up with this

mrmcdonaldduck
March 29th, 2010, 03:52 AM
mmmm, well australia's not that better, with its madatory internet filter, like what china has got.

but, this is going to be abused somehow, political opponents put to jail for petty crimes, or important figures being arrested for things they do in their own homes

Sapphire
March 29th, 2010, 04:20 AM
Precisely, Jason.
This will only bring trouble.