Satanism

[derkderpderp]

Hey,i just wanted to know what the teens of today other than myself think of Satanism.
I mean look at the philosophy of The Church of Satan in the US,its not about black magic and killing people and being evil,its quite logical if anything.
So what do you think?
And is it right or wrong in your eyes?

[Magus]

I am partially somewhat - Satanist and in-field of Demonology. From demon gods from Abdiel to Zepar(Not to be mixed with Vepar)

I don't know about that church where that Bald guy rule it.
Satanism is a free-willed independent religion and or ideology and nothing more. They have faith and beleive in what we call them as Demons. Even though not to be mixed with Devil. Technically, they are the same.

They have their own certain way to deal with life. They are not with agreement with all religions. They are also witnessed in countries where most promineent religion originated.

In Saudi Arabian and the Near by Yemen region; There are still some few amount of groups worship demons and are Satanist in all words.

They are Polytheist. As Baphomet is not the only one around. I can mention 50 other Demon Rulers. As there are many other demons.

They can be Atheist-like as well. How? They reject the believe in any God and that includes the demons; Still, the follow their ideologies.

[Sage]

They are Polytheist. As Baphomet is not the only one around. I can mention 50 other Demon Rulers. As there are many other demons.

They can be Atheist-like as well. How? They reject the believe in any God and that includes the demons; Still, the follow their ideologies.

I think we need to make a distinction here. The first group you're talking about are referred to as Theistic Satanists, and they're a small minority. They can believe in a polytheistic sort of pantheon or be monotheistic. Most believe in entities that aren't Judeo-Christian in any way, but others do have a foundation in Biblical mythos. Most self-proclaimed Satanists today follow the teachings of Anton LaVey, who founded LaVeyan Satanism. The first is a religion, the second is a philosophy. Being a Satanist myself, I'd say I lean far more towards LaVey's teachings, but I can't say I wholeheartedly agree with the man on everything.

Tired as hell right now so I'll do a more in-depth write-up of my thoughts/knowledge later.

[Huskyboy132]

I don't believe in Satan nor do I believe in the afterlife.
There has been no stable evidence of either, or the happenings or either.
If there really was a "satan" I'm sure that over this 500'000 (since homo sapiens started to evolve) something should have been evidential of satan.
My opinion is that the church made it up to make people believe they have to please god so that they wont go to "hell."
and im protestant :P

[Magus]

I don't believe in Satan nor do I believe in the afterlife.
There has been no stable evidence of either, or the happenings or either.
If there really was a "satan" I'm sure that over this 500'000 (since homo sapiens started to evolve) something should have been evidential of satan.

My opinion is that the church made it up to make people believe they have to please god so that they wont go to "hell."
and im protestant :P

Protestant? WTF?!?

Aren't the Protestant a sect in Christianity?

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All most all the 3 religion and other religion verify Demons; As for Satan, it have different meaning in many languages.

In what we know as Christianity. The fallen Angel Lucifer, is the one who defied God. As for a punishment, he was out casted from the heavens.

You read that story; Paradise Lost - If you read Dante's Inferno, then Paradise Lost is one heck of a medieval Novel.

But some Theologian Separated Lucifer, that he is not a Satan. As Satan is a Title as many theologian says. In the following passage, more will be clear.
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But in Islam.

He is a creature of Djinn. Ruler of the Djinns. He ruled the heaven. Later when God made man from Mud << Distinctively from mud and not ash or dust.

Dust and Ash contains similar a single chemical compounds. But Mud contains almost all the component we compose from.

Later - God asked for all his creation to prostrate to the newest God's Creation. Human.

Free will = Not your wish, God. So, Satan showed a disobeyed act towards God. Bansished. Later, the weaving of Zahak's Story come in to the play as per the theologians.

As he came back to Heaven by transforming himself to a snake. If to prove the Zahak hypothesis incompetent. There should be a mention of snake in Torah.

Any ways. Still more to come. And, I am tired now; being the only reasonable Non-Bashing beliefs theologian is quite hard for a task.

[Triceratops]

I consider myself to be a Christian; so following Satan would be wrong, in my eyes.
Satan is the enemy - his ultimate desire is to pull me as far away from God as possible. He wants to twist and manipulate my thoughts and morals, in order to go against the teachings God wishes I abide by. He is extremely powerful, since I believe he has the sheer capability to alter and control any human's mind to his liking, as we are weak. That is why I ask for God's help and guidance - as God is the only power who is able to conquer Satan.

[Sage]

I don't believe in Satan nor do I believe in the afterlife.
Yes, and neither do most Satanists.

I consider myself to be a Christian; so following Satan would be wrong, in my eyes.
To repeat myself for one of the first of (surely) many times in this thread, modern Satanism has very little to nothing to do with Judeo-Christian theology. A very small minority of Biblical Theistic Satanists exist, and if you ask me- They're morons.

Now, for the next few parts of your post- I'm going to debate you based on a Satanic interpretation of the Bible, but don't get me wrong- I don't actually believe any part of your religion. I'll just throw this all out there.

Satan is the enemy - his ultimate desire is to pull me as far away from God as possible.
God created his angels with free will. Lucifer, one of the greatest angels, was one day told by God that he and the other angels would from that moment on serve and protect mankind. Lucifer was the most loyal to God, and said he would not serve the humans and rather continue serving God directly. That's why he and 1/3 of the angels were banished from Heaven. I fail to see how this makes Lucifer (or 'Satan', which derives from the hebrew word for 'Enemy') evil in any way. If anything, I see this as great loyalty and thinking for ones' self when asked to do something they find unreasonable.

He wants to twist and manipulate my thoughts and morals, in order to go against the teachings God wishes I abide by.
From my perspective, anyone who paints the world out as black and white (or in this case, pure good and pure evil) is selling propaganda and isn't trustworthy.

He is extremely powerful, since I believe he has the sheer capability to alter and control any human's mind to his liking, as we are weak.
This mindset as a whole simply bothers me, in that no one in history has ever succeeded with the attitude that they are weak and pitiful. Pride is a great thing, should one have the control to not let it grow counter-productive. In LaVeyan Satanism, pride is only a sin when it becomes counter-productive.

That is why I ask for God's help and guidance - as God is the only power who is able to conquer Satan.
Then why the Hell hasn't he?

[Magus]

Yes, and neither do most Satanists.

That's funny. If they are Satanist. They don't believe in Satan?
As in Satanist atheist?

I am confused.

[Sage]

That's funny. If they are Satanist. They don't believe in Satan?
As in Satanist atheist?

I explained in a previous post. Look up the differences between LaVeyan Satanism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism) and Theistic Satanism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_Satanism).

[Shadoukun]

I explained in a previous post. Look up the differences between LaVeyan Satanism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism) and Theistic Satanism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_Satanism).

They are both equally laughable.


Fad religions that stupid teens pick up are worse than the regular deluded dogma of mainstream religions.

I will stick with looking down on all of you.

[Ryhanna]

Worship is worship I guess.

I guess the whole Satanist Occult theme of worship has been a lot larger since Aleister Crowley. If you don't know who he is, he was like some freaky Satan worshipper who enjoyed ancient magick and stuff. He's also suspected to be Barbara Bush's father by some.

Religion of any kind is someone's personal decision and while Satanism might be wrong to Catholic's and Christians, the Satanists obviously think it's right. I guess there's no right or wrong in religion really.

[INFERNO]

I'm not into either form of satanism that much, certainly not theistic satanism. Some bits and pieces of LaVeyan I agree with, such as emphasizing that stupidity can be harmful, which it can but I don't agree with all the parts of the philosophical part of the belief. I think it'd be a mistake to label myself as a LaVeyan Satanist simply because I don't follow enough of it, I think it'd be inaccurate and false to pretend I indeed am one.

I consider myself to be a Christian; so following Satan would be wrong, in my eyes.

Fair enough.


He wants to twist and manipulate my thoughts and morals, in order to go against the teachings God wishes I abide by.

This is a statement I'm rather curious about because how do you know what god wants? Christianity claims it cannot understand god for he is too great and so forth but by this statement, you go against that, in fact, you claim you do know what god is thinking and implies you understand him. Building from this, how can you say what Satan wants? Sure he represents evil but if you don't know what god wants, and if Satan is extremely powerful so much so that you cannot understand his thoughts either, then how do you know what he really wants? You'd simply be going from what others have told you but if they're asked the same question, then they end up in the same position as you are in right now. So before you continue saying Satan and God want this and that, explain how you know what they want. The bible unfortunately is not a suitable answer because it cannot show what Satan or god are thinking and wanting you to do right here and now or what they are thinking right now for you to abide by, it simply gives a summary and you'd be taking a shot in the dark.

They are both equally laughable.

Fad religions that stupid teens pick up are worse than the regular deluded dogma of mainstream religions.

I will stick with looking down on all of you.

I won't address whether LaVeyan Satanism is a fad or not because it's such a young belief it's really hard to say if it is a fad or not.

However, theistic satanism is something that has existed for hundreds of years. Hardly a fad. The very first version of Malleus Maleficarum came out in 1486 from one or two author (there's a debate if the second author jumped in simply to help with distributing it to officials) and progressively got edited and re-edited into at least 10 editions. This is the book that was used for all the witch trials as it described past cases, how to tell if someone is a witch or other evil being and what to do about them if they are. During this time and within this book, there was a strong belief some had of theistic satanism. That is not what a fad is, unless you consider fads to last for hundreds of years.

You do have a point that many claim to be a satanist of one form or another but are just doing it for dress-up or for fun.

[Triceratops]

God created his angels with free will. Lucifer, one of the greatest angels, was one day told by God that he and the other angels would from that moment on serve and protect mankind. Lucifer was the most loyal to God, and said he would not serve the humans and rather continue serving God directly. That's why he and 1/3 of the angels were banished from Heaven. I fail to see how this makes Lucifer (or 'Satan', which derives from the hebrew word for 'Enemy') evil in any way. If anything, I see this as great loyalty and thinking for ones' self when asked to do something they find unreasonable.

According to my beliefs, Lucifier went against God, and ultimately wanted to take control - plain and simple. He is a "fallen angel" from heaven; the dark and manipulative angel that fell from God's kingdom. He is by no means loyal. I strongly believe that he wants to twist one's mind to his advantage, and join him in the fiery depths of hell.

From my perspective, anyone who paints the world out as black and white (or in this case, pure good and pure evil) is selling propaganda and isn't trustworthy.

I don't paint the world out black and white, in the slightest. Even God can do "evil" in the eyes of a human, but we just can't comprehend how God's intentions are not evil.

This mindset as a whole simply bothers me, in that no one in history has ever succeeded with the attitude that they are weak and pitiful. Pride is a great thing, should one have the control to not let it grow counter-productive. In LaVeyan Satanism, pride is only a sin when it becomes counter-productive.

There is nothing immoral with pride within sensible amounts. However, some people who are proud beings can struggle to control it, resulting in sinful conceit.
In comparison to such powerful beings (i.e. God and Satan), we are feeble animals. I'm not saying we're weak entirely, because humans can become very wise and adapt great strengths from experiences in life. However, God made the world; we did not. Jesus suffered on a crucifix for us; we just throw it back in his face by constantly sinning against him. In my eyes, people appear to be a disgrace, but we're only human - we can't help it. God acknowledges this, but he ensures we pay the price for our deeds.


Then why the Hell hasn't he?

What place are you in to judge on whether He has helped me or not? You know barely anything about me, and you don't have a clue about mine or anyone's relationship with God.
Satan has interferred in my life, many times; he is a immensely forceful demon and is capable of a lot. Nevertheless, God has stronger abilities (since he was the one who banished him from Heaven in the first place). Life, itself, is a test. God doesn't want us to go through everything so easily, he wants us to become resistant to fatal temptations that surround us each day. Regardless of the dark powers that are around me, I feel secure because God is present - I've discovered him, and he wants others to discover him to, but I'm not one to brainwash anyone into believing what I believe. It's down to the individual to find God for themselves, if they want to.

[Bluearmy]

It's just another religion that will lead you straight to hell.:cool:

[Sage]

According to my beliefs, Lucifier went against God, and ultimately wanted to take control - plain and simple. He is a "fallen angel" from heaven; the dark and manipulative angel that fell from God's kingdom. He is by no means loyal. I strongly believe that he wants to twist one's mind to his advantage, and join him in the fiery depths of hell.
If you insist, but such blatant paintings of good and evil always come off as propaganda to me.

I don't paint the world out black and white, in the slightest. Even God can do "evil" in the eyes of a human, but we just can't comprehend how God's intentions are not evil.
Why follow something you cannot and will never be able to comprehend then?

There is nothing immoral with pride within sensible amounts. However, some people who are proud beings can struggle to control it, resulting in sinful conceit.
This is why I put emphasis on counter-productive pride.

In comparison to such powerful beings (i.e. God and Satan), we are feeble animals.
The imagination is a powerful thing.

However, God made the world; we did not.
I disagree. People create their own worlds. This point will probably go well over your head.

Jesus suffered on a crucifix for us; we just throw it back in his face by constantly sinning against him.
And rightfully so. I never asked the man to get nailed up to a piece of would, and so I am in no sort of debt to him.

In my eyes, people appear to be a disgrace, but we're only human - we can't help it.
I'd hate to spend eternity with anyone who takes this view of me and my fellow humans.

God acknowledges this, but he ensures we pay the price for our deeds.
And somehow infinite punishment is a just punishment for finite crimes.

What place are you in to judge on whether He has helped me or not? You know barely anything about me, and you don't have a clue about mine or anyone's relationship with God.
You misunderstood my question. I was asking, if God is all powerful, why doesn't he just destroy Satan? If he is all knowing, he surely must have predicted when sin would be brought into the world. Why would he just allow it?

Satan has interferred in my life, many times; he is a immensely forceful demon and is capable of a lot. Nevertheless, God has stronger abilities (since he was the one who banished him from Heaven in the first place).
Did you know Odin ripped his eyes out and threw them into the well of eternity?

It's just another religion that will lead you straight to hell.:cool:
If Heaven is filled with people like yourself, I'd gladly take Hell, then. Enjoy being completely ignorant towards other ways of thinking.

[SafeAuto]

I'm not too familiar with satanism in detail, but anything that leads you away from God is a bad thing; and satanism defiantly leads you away from him.

[Sage]

I'm not too familiar with satanism in detail, but anything that leads you away from God is a bad thing; and satanism defiantly leads you away from him.

And I would argue that anything away from him is the right direction. What do you know about Satanism exactly? Perhaps you'd be more accepting if you actually bothered doing some research instead of merely being content with your prejudice.

[INFERNO]

I'm not too familiar with satanism in detail, but anything that leads you away from God is a bad thing; and satanism defiantly leads you away from him.

True, it does lead you away from him and true, in the Christian view, going against god is a bad thing. However, Christianity is not factual and the beliefs in it are all subjective. The problem though is exactly what Deschain has already indicated, he can reverse it so as to fire it back at you but it ends right there because neither side can do anything beyond that to show they're more correct.

The thing that stands out like a sore thumb to me though is you admit you are not familiar with satanism and so I'm weary as to how much of your decision is based upon your beliefs versus your independent, objective as possible (i.e. without your religious beliefs) study of satanism. What is your opinion of the beliefs other than being wrong from the Christian view?

[Disco Jones]

I don't know man, Satanists are kind of dicks.

[Ryhanna]

I don't know man, Satanists are kind of dicks.

LOL
What do Satanists preach or practice? I've never really thought about it...
Like, you'll hear a catholic preist going on about how Jesus is going to come forth again - what do Satanists believe in? If anything.

[INFERNO]

I don't know man, Satanists are kind of dicks.

Can you elaborate on this because there are many branches of Satanism, so are both branches dicks or only one? And why?

LOL
What do Satanists preach or practice? I've never really thought about it...
Like, you'll hear a catholic preist going on about how Jesus is going to come forth again - what do Satanists believe in? If anything.

There's four main branches, one is theistic satanism whereby they believe in Satan as a divine being and have various rituals associated with it. The other is an atheistic branch, LaVeyan Satanism which is very new and views Satan as something to look up to but not to worship. It's more of a philosophy than anything and draws upon numerous philosophies all merged into one with the "glue" of an anti-theistic philosophy through. There are some rituals (non-theistic still), they're not part of the philosophy per say, they're extras that some partake in.

Third, is Luciferianism, which I don't entirely understand but it views Lucifer and Satan as two separate individuals (Satanism views it all as Satan) but not all practicers of Luciferianism accept that Lucifer = Satan, so I'm a bit unsure what exactly the underlying belief of the majority really is. I do know there are various types of Luciferianism, one I believe was present within the 1200s (13th century) but don't know much else of it. There's a gnostic one, which is also a philosophical view on life. There's also a new branch of Luciferianism that I don't know if it's atheistic or not but it's about Lucifer being infinite wisdom.

In either case, the Satan viewed is not the one followed by the bible and Christianity, it's different despite the same name. That said, some satanists do follow the bible's view of satan but then again, they also follow the bible's view and the same Christian view.

There's I guess a fourth branch although I'm not sure if it's appropriate to call it satanism, it seems related and that is demonlatry (sp?). It's a series of beliefs and has various beliefs of demons as a subset of demonology. All I know of it is they believe there are many demons and different demons do or represent different things. This is probably your best summary of it HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonology_(occultism)) or Google their webpage.

[Dive to Survive]

There has been no stable evidence of either, or the happenings or either.

We don't have "stable" evidence for a lot of things. Why need it for a religion? Faith is beleiving regardless of evidence.

[Sage]

We don't have "stable" evidence for a lot of things. Why need it for a religion? Faith is beleiving regardless of evidence.

There's no evidence for Christianity period. And faith is a cancerous way of thinking.

[deadpie]

- Satanism has nothing to do with Christianity.
- Satanism doesn't promote raising your kids satanist if you are one yourself, unlike what every other religion does. Instead, satanists are to let their children decide their own path.
- Laws of Satanism include behavior towards guests, avoiding theft, acknowledging the power of magic, avoiding harm to children, refraining from killing animals (unless it's attacking you or the obvious), and behavior towards others.

Satan is not closely related to the modern (post 1400 AD) concept of the Christian devil. Satanists view Satan as a pre-Christian life principle which represents the carnal, earthly, and mundane aspects of life.
Satan is not a being, a living entity; he is a force of nature.
Human life is held in sacred regard. Children in particular are not to be harmed.
"Satan...represents love, kindness and respect to those who deserve it."
(From religioustolerance.org)


If you don't research what satanism is, you have no right to argue about how it is wrong. Same with any other belief. You can't argue about Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc without knowing what it is about and actually researching and/or using facts.

Your welcome.

[Disco Jones]

It's just that every Satanist I've met has been kind of a dick, and the doctrine of LaVeyan Satanism supports active dickery to those who do not deserve kindness.

[Sage]

It's just that every Satanist I've met has been kind of a dick, and the doctrine of LaVeyan Satanism supports active dickery to those who do not deserve kindness.

I can be a nice person. I just feel it's wasted on most people.

[Disco Jones]

Socrates once said that dickery begets dickery.

[Sage]

No he didn't.

[Disco Jones]

No, you don't understand, "Socrates" does not refer to the Greek philosopher but general knowledge and reason. You should do your research. Just a heads up, when I use terms like Satan and Magic in the future, don't get mixed up and assume I'm talking about the popular definitions of Satan and Magic. I'll refuse to use different terms to avoid confusion of course, so I can have the opportunity to call people ignorant and talk more about my philosophy when they ask why I worship Satan.

[deadpie]

Socrates once said that dickery begets dickery.


Socrates also said to get back on topic.

[Disco Jones]

The topic is what people think of Satanism, and I do not think highly of its promotion of dickery.

[magikarpy]

There's no evidence for Christianity period. And faith is a cancerous way of thinking.

Actually the great flood talked about in the bible has been proven. Of course one could also say that several religions believe in the great thread. Such as Greek Mythology. (http://www.maicar.com/GML/Flood.html)

[deadpie]

Actually the great flood talked about in the bible has been proven. Of course one could also say that several religions believe in the great thread. Such as Greek Mythology. (http://www.maicar.com/GML/Flood.html)

That's great. Now we have evidence that God hates us all. :P

[Disco Jones]

Noah's deluge has not been proven. Large floods have happened in the past, no worldwide flooding for 40 days and nights. Great floods are a common myth in most cultures.

[Jean Poutine]

i daresay that lavey's linking his philosophy so intrinsically to satan wasn't the best marketing move ever made.

it attracts about all the lame people who think they're so cool and unorthodox.

there are things i agree on with lavey, but i want nothing to do with his group. it's just more drama.

[MyNameIsJack]

I have some months questioning myself about cristianism. All my family is christian, but the bible does not says that hell is where you go when you die and when you did not follow god in earth.

In the Bible says that when Jesus died he '''was'' in hell, same as all the people that have died (symbolically speaking). It's confusing, the Bible says that Satan isn't in hell, Satan and all the demons are here with us all the time.

So it does has sense that the vatican, said things that are not true like ''if you don't follow God you won't go to heaven, you'll be tortured by Satan and all his demons in hell'' and once I heard that the vatican made people buy a ticket to heaven. And I heard that from my grandfather and he's christian.

[Disco Jones]

i daresay that lavey's linking his philosophy so intrinsically to satan wasn't the best marketing move ever made.

it attracts about all the lame people who think they're so cool and unorthodox.

there are things i agree on with lavey, but i want nothing to do with his group. it's just more drama.

Oh, it was a fantastic marketing move.

[deadpie]

i daresay that lavey's linking his philosophy so intrinsically to satan wasn't the best marketing move ever made.

it attracts about all the lame people who think they're so cool and unorthodox.

there are things i agree on with lavey, but i want nothing to do with his group. it's just more drama.

Yes, don't believe in something that you might be judged for and/or if it could cause drama even if you agree with it. You're so brilliant.

[Jean Poutine]

Yes, don't believe in something that you might be judged for and/or if it could cause drama even if you agree with it. You're so brilliant.

slow down chump.

notwithstanding all the "holier than thou" chumps it seems to attract, which is quite ironic, early laveyan satanism is tainted by the belief in magic. i recall one of his daughters pretended that lavey died because she cast a curse on him. she's probably koo-koo, but this belief is actually quite widespread.

it's no different from organised religion when it comes to unproven bullshit which is why i'll have no part in it. "it's just more drama".

next time shut up unless you understand precisely what is said. people these days...

[deadpie]

next time shut up unless you understand precisely what is said. people these days...

Successful trolling is successful.

[anime Freak]

In my opnion they are wrong, but hey, let them worship whatever they want to worship.

[Sage]

In my opnion they are wrong

Wrong in regards to what and for what reasons?

[Jean Poutine]

Successful trolling is successful.

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[magikarpy]

if only.

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