Karma: What goes around comes around.

[pageplant77]

Does anybody here believe in Karma? I do.

[Kaius]

I do to a certain extent too. Although i feel at times i get everyone else's bad karma haha :P

[Iron Man]

I believe in karma, but it turns out that when it comes around, it goes back to me. FML

[Peace God]

i do not

[AllThatIsLeft]

I do. Big time. I don't really question it much, I just let it take its own path.

[XxHaViiK]

Somewhat, but Karma doesn't seem to strike my step dad enough. Karma needs to make that asshole learn.

[Sage]

What goes around comes around but not often enough for karma to really hold any merit as a sort of cosmic principle.

[Shadoukun]

Do I believe in a supernatural force that effects me depending on how I treat others? No, only the ignorant would.

[AllThatIsLeft]

Do I believe in a supernatural force that effects me depending on how I treat others? No, only the ignorant would.

How so?
Please do enlighten me.

[Scarface]

I so believe in Karma what you do in life now weather good or bad will come back to you no matter what.

[Shadoukun]

How so?
Please do enlighten me.

A better question is why would it? I see karma merely as a way to justify bad things happening to others. Reaping what you sow, and all that. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise, and I have a difficult time with dogma.

Also, to make the distinction for the less well-versed in linguistics. I was using the word 'ignorant' in the more proper sense of not being well-informed on a certain topic, not rating someone's overall intelligence. I did not mean it in offense.

[overcome.]

I do very much so believe in karma. It's one of my strongest beliefs.

[AllThatIsLeft]

I see what you mean, and in that sense I do agree on most cases it is for ignorant people.
But I think to group everyone in that category is a huge mistake.

In my case, I certainly do not believe in it to justify bad things happening.
I'm a huge believer in energy, Karma being just that. If you are a positive/good energy giver than that shall come back to you somehow, at another time.
If you throw around negative/bad energy, then it is obvious that bad things will happen to you somehow, at another time.

Like a big cycle, just because it can't be proven through solid evidence, it doesn't mean it isn't true. That's where belief comes in.

[Shadoukun]

I see what you mean, and in that sense I do agree on most cases it is for ignorant people.
But I think to group everyone in that category is a huge mistake.

In my case, I certainly do not believe in it to justify bad things happening.
I'm a huge believer in energy, Karma being just that. If you are a positive/good energy giver than that shall come back to you somehow, at another time.
If you throw around negative/bad energy, then it is obvious that bad things will happen to you somehow, at another time.

Like a big cycle, just because it can't be proven through solid evidence, it doesn't mean it isn't true. That's where belief comes in.

That would imply that you have no control of your own life, ignoring the fact that it's outlandish and dogmatic as I mentioned.

[AllThatIsLeft]

Well then again I don't really think I have control over my life, believing in Karma, Fate, and Destiny tends to omit any real control over one's life.
If everything has a meaning and purpose greater than what we can see. Freedom was never there. I guess some can't stand the thought that they aren't in control of their life, but to me it's irrelevant.

[Shadoukun]

Well then again I don't really think I have control over my life, believing in Karma, Fate, and Destiny tends to omit any real control over one's life.
If everything has a meaning and purpose greater than what we can see. Freedom was never there. I guess some can't stand the thought that they aren't in control of their life, but to me it's irrelevant.

Some can't stand it (like myself for instance?) because there is no reason to believe I'm not in control. More importantly, what tells you that we have purpose?

If anything, you're the one deluding yourself in thoughts that you have purpose, or that life means something and you will be guided through that.

[overcome.]

Well then again I don't really think I have control over my life, believing in Karma, Fate, and Destiny tends to omit any real control over one's life.
If everything has a meaning and purpose greater than what we can see. Freedom was never there. I guess some can't stand the thought that they aren't in control of their life, but to me it's irrelevant.

Agreed.

Karma will come to you eventually, whether it's good or bad, things won't always happen right away. I believe that huge problems are more so character building and personality development 'tests'. I don't believe that these problems aren't always a direct result of negative karma.

[AllThatIsLeft]

Some can't stand it (like myself for instance?) because there is no reason to believe I'm not in control. More importantly, what tells you that we have purpose.

If anything, you're the one deluding yourself in thoughts that you have purpose, or that life means something and you will be guided through that.

Here is the thing though. The destiny is always set. But we build our own path. But no matter what you do, it will always lead you to the same place.

And who are you to tell me I don't have a purpose? (i'm not insulting you, just questioning you)
Through the years I've seen what has happened in my life has had meaning, and plenty of it. All the proof I could ever need, so whose to say that what is happening to me now won't have an obvious meaning in the years to come.

Difference here is that I don't believe in this blindly, I've seen it play out in my life. And all the bad things that had happened in my life have only made me a better person. perhaps that can't be said for everyone. But you can't tell me i'm deluding myself when i've seen it otherwise.

[Shadoukun]

Here is the thing though. The destiny is always set. But we build our own path. But no matter what you do, it will always lead you to the same place.

And who are you to tell me I don't have a purpose? (i'm not insulting you, just questioning you)
Through the years I've seen what has happened in my life has had meaning, and plenty of it. All the proof I could ever need, so whose to say that what is happening to me now won't have an obvious meaning in the years to come.

Difference here is that I don't believe in this blindly, I've seen it play out in my life. And all the bad things that had happened in my life have only made me a better person. perhaps that can't be said for everyone. But you can't tell me i'm deluding myself when i've seen it otherwise.


Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[AgusCO]

Here is the thing though. The destiny is always set. But we build our own path. But no matter what you do, it will always lead you to the same place.

And who are you to tell me I don't have a purpose? (i'm not insulting you, just questioning you)
Through the years I've seen what has happened in my life has had meaning, and plenty of it. All the proof I could ever need, so whose to say that what is happening to me now won't have an obvious meaning in the years to come.

Difference here is that I don't believe in this blindly, I've seen it play out in my life. And all the bad things that had happened in my life have only made me a better person. perhaps that can't be said for everyone. But you can't tell me i'm deluding myself when i've seen it otherwise.

I would call that causality...

[CestDan]

I think that Karma is pretty true. I mean, all my philosophy is based on "The Secret" (Law of attraction) so, yes, I think that karma is very related with that. Now, I think that our circumstances are created by our thoughts, so, if we do or even think something bad/cruel about someone or something, well, we are gonna receive that kind of situations.

[scuba steve]

Karma scares me more than our lord and saviour Jesus Christ. not in a supernatural force but i believe in the mutual respect of beings that must be upheld with individuals... hey people believe in weirder things, bita Klingon mass anyone?

[Sage]

Karma scares me more than our lord and saviour Jesus Christ.

Karma scares me more than my imaginary friend Jesus Christ.
fix'd.

not in a supernatural force but i believe in the mutual respect of beings that must be upheld with individuals...
That makes no sense at all.

hey people believe in weirder things, bita Klingon mass anyone?
The presence of more blatantly stupid beliefs doesn't make your own any less stupid.

[deadpie]

Bad things happen to good and bad people. Karma is mistaken for coincidence in my opinion.
Someone could get murdered and the killer could get away and not endure any pain at all.

I don't really think Karma would really be fair nor make things better by a "get what you deserve stand point".

[Perseus]

No, I do not believe in Karma. I find it silly. I shall leave it at that.

[overcome.]

I think that Karma is pretty true. I mean, all my philosophy is based on "The Secret" (Law of attraction) so, yes, I think that karma is very related with that. Now, I think that our circumstances are created by our thoughts, so, if we do or even think something bad/cruel about someone or something, well, we are gonna receive that kind of situations.

I believe visualisation to be very powerful when aiming towards anything. I was introduced to the law of attraction almost a year ago, it made me think about some things.

[pageplant77]

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Karma scares me more than our lord and saviour Jesus Christ.

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Karma scares me more than my imaginary friend Jesus Christ.

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Hey Deschain, don't trash on peoples beliefs, That's not what this thread is about. If your an athiest, thats cool, but go debate on that subject on another thread please this one is about karma. Thanks

[Sage]

Hey Deschain, don't trash on peoples beliefs,
Too late for that.

That's not what this thread is about.
Karma and religion are both beliefs, and I'm entitled to announce any sort of opinion I hold on either- including the opinion that they're stupid wives' tales.

If your an athiest, thats cool, but go debate on that subject on another thread please
Satanist, actually, and delving into tangents is normal in any debate and shouldn't necessarily be forbidden.

this one is about karma. Thanks
You are no moderator and I have broken no rules.

Now, it'd be nice if someone who believed in karma tackled one of my refutations.

[2D]

Karma is just another scapegoat for people to let other people do bad things without confrontation.

[pageplant77]

You are no moderator and I have broken no rules.

Yes but this is my thread, If you want to trash people's religions then post your own thread about religion.

[2D]

Yes but this is my thread, If you want to trash people's religions then post your own thread about religion.

Do you control this thread? No.

[Sage]

Yes but this is my thread, If you want to trash people's religions then post your own thread about religion.
It's your party and I'll cry if I want to. In addition, still no one has debunked my refutations of karma, and thus, you're all still horribly horribly misguided and wrong.

[INFERNO]

I think that Karma is pretty true. I mean, all my philosophy is based on "The Secret" (Law of attraction) so, yes, I think that karma is very related with that.

You believe karma is true because it goes nicely with your philosophical beliefs of life and love, however, this means if you were to reject or even change some of your beliefs, then your acceptance of karma hangs in the balance. I'm unsure how karma relates with laws of attraction, can you explain please?


Now, I think that our circumstances are created by our thoughts, so, if we do or even think something bad/cruel about someone or something, well, we are gonna receive that kind of situations.

Not true at all. It makes us more likely to interpret something in the way we think it will be. For example, let's say I think that someone will randomly burst into flames, fall into water to douse the flames and then be attacked by sharks with freakin' lasers. According to you, I'm going to be set of fire, fall into water then be attacked by sharks wearing lasers on their heads. That makes no sense.

Karma scares me more than our lord and saviour Jesus Christ. not in a supernatural force but i believe in the mutual respect of beings that must be upheld with individuals... hey people believe in weirder things, bita Klingon mass anyone?

I'm confused, if you don't fear karma in a supernatural way, then how does karma work?

Yes but this is my thread, If you want to trash people's religions then post your own thread about religion.

Unfortunately it does not matter if you made the thread or not. If someone makes a thread where they're, say, promoting racism, then according to your reasoning, a moderator or other staff member cannot close the thread because they did not start it. Furthermore, if a moderator, admin or other staff member decided to make a thread promoting racism, their thread could still be shut down despite having made it and being a moderator.

[pageplant77]

It's your party and I'll cry if I want to. In addition, still no one has debunked my refutations of karma, and thus, you're all still horribly horribly misguided and wrong.

Hey, you cant PROOVE that it doesn't exist either. I believe it does exist, and you believe that it doesn't. We're two members of opposing parties, and this argument could go on forever.

[INFERNO]

Hey, you cant PROOVE that it doesn't exist either. I believe it does exist, and you believe that it doesn't. We're two members of opposing parties, and this argument could go on forever.

He doesn't need to prove anything. In this debate, the burden of proof rests on your shoulders because you need to show sufficient evidence to indicate that karma exists. Once that is established, then one can begin to refute all they want, however, one cannot refute the existence of something when that something is not said to exist.

So let's start with why do you believe it exists.

[2D]

Hey, you cant PROOVE that it doesn't exist either.

Now you're just getting desperate.

I believe it does exist, and you believe that it doesn't. We're two members of opposing parties, and this argument could go on forever.

Problem?

[pageplant77]

I believe it exists because good people tend to have good things happen to them and vice versa. Yes, I know that that answer seems simple and child-like. and yes, I know that bad things happen to good people and vice versa. But in the end it seems that the universe seems to give good people good fortune and bad people justice. That is also related to how society deals with those problems.

I know that you'll be able to poke a hole through any reason I, or any body otherwise, will give you for why we believe it exists. But no matter what you say people will still believe in it, and that's why I say this argument could go on forever.

[2D]

I believe it exists because good people tend to have good things happen to them and vice versa. Yes, I know that that answer seems simple and child-like. and yes, I know that bad things happen to good people and vice versa. But in the end it seems that the universe seems to give good people good fortune and bad people justice. That is also related to how society deals with those problems.

I know that you'll be able to poke a hole through any reason I, or any body otherwise, will give you for why we believe it exists. But no matter what you say people will still believe in it, and that's why I say this argument could go on forever.

Three words.


World Trade Center.


All those people malicious bastards that got what was coming to them.

[Sage]

I know that you'll be able to poke a hole through any reason I, or any body otherwise, will give you for why we believe it exists. But no matter what you say people will still believe in it,.
Enjoy being closed-minded and dogmatic, then.

[pageplant77]

Three words.


World Trade Center.


All those people malicious bastards that got what was coming to them.

Like I said bad things happen to good people. And calling all the innocent who lost their lives bastards and malicious just to try to intimidate me is a bit childish.

[2D]

Like I said bad things happen to good people. And calling all the innocent who lost their lives bastards and malicious just to try to intimidate me is a bit childish.

Me? Childish? Open up your mind and explore the world past what you've been led to believe your whole life. Then get back to me on childishness.

[pageplant77]

Me? Childish? Open up your mind and explore the world past what you've been led to believe your whole life. Then get back to me on childishness.

Ok, so you like using examples that disprove karma. and you think I don't know history, so I'm gonna use an example that's in favour of it.

Joseph McCarthy, Senator from Wisconsin back in the 1950's during the second red scare. He went around accusing people of being communists left and right and that ruined peoples lives. Some people were even forced to leave the country because their names were slandered and finding a job was impossible because their name were put on employers blacklists. So basically once they were accused of being communists, they were guilty until proven innocent.(and proving innocence after being accused of being a communist was virtually impossible) McCarthy was so powerful not even Pres. Truman could do anything about it. Well eventually his power came to an end after he tried accusing people in the army of communism. So the senate decided to hold a hearings regarding McCarthy and the army. These hearings were televised. McCarthy had no facts, no evidence to support his accusations so everybody in country saw what a sad little man he was. He was stripped of all his power and pride and had no power as his position as senator any more. He died a few years later, a sad broken man. Don't you think he got what he was coming to him?

[AgusCO]

Ok, so you like using examples that disprove karma. and you think I don't know history, so I'm gonna use an example that's in favour of it.

Joseph McCarthy, Senator from Wisconsin back in the 1950's during the second red scare. He went around accusing people of being communists left and right and that ruined peoples lives. Some people were even forced to leave the country because their names were slandered and finding a job was impossible because their name were put on employers blacklists. So basically once they were accused of being communists, they were guilty until proven innocent.(and proving innocence after being accused of being a communist was virtually impossible) McCarthy was so powerful not even Pres. Truman could do anything about it. Well eventually his power came to an end after he tried accusing people in the army of communism. So the senate decided to hold a hearings regarding McCarthy and the army. These hearings were televised. McCarthy had no facts, no evidence to support his accusations so everybody in country saw what a sad little man he was. He was stripped of all his power and pride and had no power as his position as senator any more. He died a few years later, a sad broken man. Don't you think he got what he was coming to him?

One example doesn't suffice.
It is:
A)Doesn't exists
B)Exists but it is flawed (Then it doesn't matter because you may get away with it)
C)Exists as a universal rule(there should be no execeptions then)

And besides good and evil are not fixed. Anna Wintour sees no bad in using fur, PETA would burn her alive for that. (Kind of cheap example but I absolutely love Anna and it came to my mind)

[Perseus]

Ok, so you like using examples that disprove karma. and you think I don't know history, so I'm gonna use an example that's in favour of it.

Joseph McCarthy, Senator from Wisconsin back in the 1950's during the second red scare. He went around accusing people of being communists left and right and that ruined peoples lives. Some people were even forced to leave the country because their names were slandered and finding a job was impossible because their name were put on employers blacklists. So basically once they were accused of being communists, they were guilty until proven innocent.(and proving innocence after being accused of being a communist was virtually impossible) McCarthy was so powerful not even Pres. Truman could do anything about it. Well eventually his power came to an end after he tried accusing people in the army of communism. So the senate decided to hold a hearings regarding McCarthy and the army. These hearings were televised. McCarthy had no facts, no evidence to support his accusations so everybody in country saw what a sad little man he was. He was stripped of all his power and pride and had no power as his position as senator any more. He died a few years later, a sad broken man. Don't you think he got what he was coming to him?

That's a terrible example. He ruined his own life for calling people in the military communist when he had no proof. By your logic, bad things should happen to Glenn Beck.

[2D]

Also Pageplant, I said explore the world past what you've been told. I didn't say explore the past. Learn to read and comprehend a simple sentence and maybe we can have a debate.

[pageplant77]

That's a terrible example. He ruined his own life for calling people in the military communist when he had no proof. By your logic, bad things should happen to Glenn Beck.

No, not a "terrible" example. He made his choice to do what he did, and in the end he got what was coming to him.

That's the whole point of what karma is. He had free will to do what he did and he suffered the consequences.

[Perseus]

No, not a "terrible" example. He made his choice to do what he did, and in the end he got what was coming to him.

That's the whole point of what karma is. He had free will to do what he did and he suffered the consequences.

They does not prove karma at all.

[pageplant77]

Also Pageplant, I said explore the world past what you've been told. I didn't say explore the past. Learn to read and comprehend a simple sentence and maybe we can have a debate.

Ok, so excuse me for misreading a sentence.

And always following scientific evidence and facts doesn't go against what you've been told? I'm sorry, fill me in.

[2D]

Ok, so excuse me for misreading a sentence.

And always following scientific evidence and facts doesn't go against what you've been told? I'm sorry, fill me in.

No, you're not excused.

Grammar is a wonderful thing; use it in that sentence and I may know what you're asking.

[pageplant77]

They does not prove karma at all.

Karma basically follows the basic principles of responsibility and such, ALL actions have consequences, good or bad. Sometimes it may take many years for the consequences to catch up with you, and sometimes people may not discover things until after your dead. But they always come back to you in some way or another. And that's when your free will comes in. People can choose to change if they want, they can turn their lives around and become better people, and overall well rounded. and I'm not saying they don't have bad fortune every now and then because everybody does. But after they change, SOME people will see the better side in them, and they'll tend to care less about whatever problems they've had in the past. And no I'm not saying if they committed a federal crime then the penile system will go easy on them nor forgive them. They will suffer consequences in one way or another.

And if people are good then they usually tend to have good consequences for their actions. And as I previously said good people have bad fortune too.

And don't even say that all of what I said is all b.s. because you know that is generally true. And yes I know that a lot of people live lives of suffering and misery that end in bitter death. BUT, they won't be remembered for all their sufferings, rather the good nature in their hearts and minds.

[Sage]

But they always come back to you in some way or another.

Problem is, they don't.

[pageplant77]

Problem is, they don't.

Ah, now that is a lie.

[pageplant77]

No, you're not excused.

Grammar is a wonderful thing; use it in that sentence and I may know what you're asking.

Wow, you're way more immature than I thought. I thought you were just trying to be witty and funny at first.

So why did you change the subject then?
Is it because you can't give me a good answer to my question? I'll bet it is.

[2D]

Wow, you're way more immature than I thought.

Point of view my friend. Yours just happens to be wrong.

I thought you were just trying to be witty and funny at first.

Not trying.

So why did you change the subject then?
Is it because you can't give me a good answer to my question? I'll bet it is.

I believe I already told you why I didn't.

Your sentence was not understandable. I'm not sure if you're asking to see if I think your example is scientific fact and stuff. Nice circular argument.

[Sage]

Ah, now that is a lie.

Lie implies I know I'm wrong and being deceptive. You claim that what goes around will always come around. I quote:

Sometimes it may take many years for the consequences to catch up with you, and sometimes people may not discover things until after your dead. But they always come back to you in some way or another.

Jack the Ripper. Your argument is invalid. You lose. Thanks for playin'.

[Peace God]

Karma basically follows the basic principles of responsibility and such, ALL actions have consequences, good or bad. Sometimes it may take many years for the consequences to catch up with you, and sometimes people may not discover things until after your dead. But they always come back to you in some way or another. And that's when your free will comes in. People can choose to change if they want, they can turn their lives around and become better people, and overall well rounded. and I'm not saying they don't have bad fortune every now and then because everybody does. But after they change, SOME people will see the better side in them, and they'll tend to care less about whatever problems they've had in the past. And no I'm not saying if they committed a federal crime then the penile system will go easy on them nor forgive them. They will suffer consequences in one way or another.

i didnt want to join this debate but...
really man???

so if a person does horrible things and lives a good life, sometimes it takes until after they are dead to suffer the consequences?

how do you know this?
have you been dead before?
are you dead now?
did a dead person tell you this?

i think you are confusing karma with society's moral standards and justice systems...the difference is one is balanced, fair (and also does not exist) and the other one is imbalanced and is not always fair

[Watta Tem]

i do...

[INFERNO]

Karma basically follows the basic principles of responsibility and such, ALL actions have consequences, good or bad. Sometimes it may take many years for the consequences to catch up with you, and sometimes people may not discover things until after your dead. But they always come back to you in some way or another. And that's when your free will comes in. People can choose to change if they want, they can turn their lives around and become better people, and overall well rounded. and I'm not saying they don't have bad fortune every now and then because everybody does. But after they change, SOME people will see the better side in them, and they'll tend to care less about whatever problems they've had in the past. And no I'm not saying if they committed a federal crime then the penile system will go easy on them nor forgive them. They will suffer consequences in one way or another.

And if people are good then they usually tend to have good consequences for their actions. And as I previously said good people have bad fortune too.

And don't even say that all of what I said is all b.s. because you know that is generally true. And yes I know that a lot of people live lives of suffering and misery that end in bitter death. BUT, they won't be remembered for all their sufferings, rather the good nature in their hearts and minds.

I'm not going to bother to quote all your other posts on this so I'll just summarize it here. Karma, in the religious or supernatural sense occurs after death in the presumed after-life so saying that it may take years for karma to catch up before you're dead isn't what karma really is, it's a distorted view of it, one that seems to be indistinguished from breaching societal and cultural values and norms. Do actions come around to either reward us or bite us in the ass? Yes, but that is not what karma is because you're presumably still living and not in the after-life. Although I don't believe in it, I'm not calling it bullshit but I think you should look up the Buddhist view (the view it came from) to understand what it is you're really debating and believing.

Ah, now that is a lie.

But is it really? Suppose I go out in the woods by myself and break a thin branch on a tree trunk then head back home. I've harmed life in some way (i.e. pulling out the branch and hitting a tree) but what are the consequences I'll face in the current life? You could argue that your distorted definition of karma applies only to human-human interaction in which case, I'll suggest another one: I spit out a piece of gum after chewing it and it lands on someone's shoe who doesn't notice it, in fact nobody else around him/her notices it and I leave (assume I do or don't know it landed on his/her shoe). What consequences will I face? None because nobody knew I did it, perhaps I didn't even know I did it.

Your argument for this seems to rely on the fact that people consciously know what they do to others (giver) and what they get (receiver). But that is not always the case, so if the giver and/or receiver are unaware, then how can they be affected by their action? If others don't know I spat gum, then they cannot point out to me and say "look, he did it!". Similarly, suppose it was an accident, would the supernatural karma in the after-life really have an impact from that one event? I doubt it. Would it have an impact in the real-world (i.e. not after-life)? Doubt it. If any effects occur, they'd likely be representative of the initial action, hence, it's neglible.


And always following scientific evidence and facts doesn't go against what you've been told? I'm sorry, fill me in.

Science sometimes contradicts cultural or societal values and vice-verca. But what is your point? Neither are guarunteed to be 100% right/wrong so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

[pageplant77]

Well INFERNO, I can see you've done your homework. So let's agree to disagree. You've given plenty of examples, as have I. And none of us have changed each others minds.

2D, I know that nothing I can say will change your mind, and nothing you can say will change mine. Our "argument" will just keep going in circles, so far you have said nothing about why you think it doesn't exist rather you keep trying to intimidate me by looking for any sort of flaw within my text. Nice playing strategy.

And Deschain, I can respect your reasons for not believing in karma. You've given enough reasons as to the point were I can see where you're coming from. You've called me wrong and I don't agree with you, you could call me ignorant because in your point of view you think I am "misguided" But wrong I am not. I'm not saying you are wrong either.

So to all three of you, If you want to know why I believe in karma, I'll tell you.
I've experienced it. I used to have no respect for others and I treated people horribly, and I suffered the bad consequences for it.

Since then I've changed, I've learned to respect others and treat them with respect. I have good consequences for it.

[2D]

I actually wanted to know what you were asking me. Oh well.

[INFERNO]

Well INFERNO, I can see you've done your homework. So let's agree to disagree. You've given plenty of examples, as have I. And none of us have changed each others minds.

Before we abandon all hope of a debate, I'm confused as to what I'll be agreeing to disagree about. It's clear so far that your view of karma is not what karma truly is and I'm willing to leave that aside but I don't yet understand what it is you actually do believe, so how can I agree to disagree about what I don't have a clue about? Can you describe your view in some detail and I'll try not to engage in a debate?


So to all three of you, If you want to know why I believe in karma, I'll tell you.
I've experienced it. I used to have no respect for others and I treated people horribly, and I suffered the bad consequences for it.

Since then I've changed, I've learned to respect others and treat them with respect. I have good consequences for it.

This actually confuses me more because according to this, you claim to believe in the actual karma but you believe in an edited version of karma, so I'm interested in why you believe in that edited version and not the "real" karma, which you claim you believe in. In other words, what was the reason(s) you went from believing in the "real" karma to your edited version of it? If you never believed in the "real" karma, then why do you give your view a false name?

[Brighter.Tomorrow]

I don't believe in karma..But I do believe in your mind changing the world around you.
If you sit there thinking: "I'm getting sick, I'm getting sick, I'm getting sick I just know it!"
Then yeah you will get sick.
As for doing bad things and getting bad in return? I believe that it's more or less feeling guilty and noticing it more.

[Aves]

Yes, but not in the power people think of. But people treating you like shit, cause you did them, yes.

[SafeAuto]

What goes around comes around is a very true statement. Weather you believe in supernatural or not, it is undeniable! I don't like using the word Karma though; because it makes me think of hippies. I prefer the term Tether Ball Effect.

[Sage]

What goes around comes around is a very true statement. Weather you believe in supernatural or not, it is undeniable!

It's very much deniable because it doesn't happen 100% of the time, and thus is in no way some sort of rule of the universe.

[SafeAuto]

I never said it was a universal law, I said it is a very true statement. If it happened to somebody once, then it happened; and is therefore undeniable. What strongly reinforces that point is that it happens a lot. Maybe not 100% of the time, but frequently enough to hold true.

If I act like an arrogant jerk, people are going to hate me, if I give somebody sensible affordable car insurance, they will like me.

I never said that Karma was undeniable, I said that statement was. No matter how microscopic the situation is.

[Lord Anubis]

Nope. I don't need to believe in supernatural cosmic principal to get through life.

[MaliciousBunface]

Umm not rly..i just say stuff like wat comes around goes around..but i dont rly mean it :P

[Kaya]

I believe in karma.

[Huskyboy132]

Usually i dont but sometimes i swear it haunts me.

[Evermore]

Yes. Karma is so undeniably true. I'm amazed at how many people dont believe in it.