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Perseus
March 21st, 2010, 10:14 AM
Here is a quote from an article I just read about a certain video game on IGN.

There's something inherently cruel about trying to recreate a war experience for the sake of entertainment. This isn't a debate many engage in since we've already accepted the idea that games require conflict to be fun, and it follows that shooting things is the easiest way to have fun.

What are your views on war for entertainment for video games?

I obviously like them, but this does make me think. Is violence the only thing people like now adays in video games? Sure, you've racing games and sims, but most of the video games industry revolves around violence.

deadpie
March 21st, 2010, 01:32 PM
Go watch Penn & Teller Bullshit- Season 7 Episode 3 "Violent Video Games".

That would be answer. Because War games aren't going to make your child go around killing people. We just need something to blame shit on in my opinion, when a child does kill someone. They point at music, games, or any little thing.

Perseus
March 21st, 2010, 03:05 PM
Go watch Penn & Teller Bullshit- Season 7 Episode 3 "Violent Video Games".

That would be answer. Because War games aren't going to make your child go around killing people. We just need something to blame shit on in my opinion, when a child does kill someone. They point at music, games, or any little thing.

That's not the debate dude; it's about whether or not it's right to recreate a war in a videogame just for the sole purpose of entertainment.

deadpie
March 21st, 2010, 03:36 PM
That's not the debate dude; it's about whether or not it's right to recreate a war in a videogame just for the sole purpose of entertainment.
sorry for my stupid fucking post, i feel like a complete idiot now.
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Well, do you think making a game about War World II is worse than a war game that is fictional?

Perseus
March 21st, 2010, 03:39 PM
sorry for my stupid fucking post, i feel like a complete idiot now.
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Well, do you think making a game about War World II is worse than a war game that is fictional?

Actually, lol, the article was about WWII. But anyway, I'm not against making games about wars and other stuff. Making a game about WWII is just the same about making a game about a fitional war because in most cases, the people aren't/were't real that died.

scuba steve
March 21st, 2010, 04:27 PM
if you want to have ago about the majority of games revolving around wars and guns then why not have a go at movies. war films/games in my view are a way of commemorating the soldiers and letting the wider public see what they have had to go through. would any youth really care for world war II or even take an interest (except for school work) if it weren't for some kind of game or movie they have seen it in. yes it's for entertainment purposes but to be honest if i was in Afghanistan and even though i may have had a near death experiance, coming home to find out that Modern Warfare 2 mission resembled my experience i'd feel pretty proud.

INFERNO
March 21st, 2010, 05:08 PM
I think it depends in part on the degree or amount of violence in such games. It's hard really to say violence is wrong because what level of violence is wrong, and possibly what type of violent acts would be deemed too violent?

I think it's fine having war and violent games for entertainment but there are certain limits as to what I'd find acceptable. For example, I think it was Japan a few years ago released a video game where one had to brutally rape (not sure about kill also) girls. Certainly rape was something that happened in many wars but here is the problem: it's violence, no doubt about that and North America deemed it inappropriate yet as you mentioned, other shooting games are allowed.

So the type and degree of violence matters, which makes it hard to say one's all for or against violent games for entertainment purposes.

Camazotz
March 21st, 2010, 07:08 PM
Because violence is fun. The reason My Little Ponies: The Video Game (which I just made up) doesn't outsell the Call Of Duty series is because one is more entertaining to play. Entertaining games have to appeal to a certain crowd, and right now, the crowd likes violence. Shooting guys is more fun than walking around as a pony. It's filled with action, adventure, suspense, intensity, and a certain addictiveness that makes you love the game. War and violence just fits with all of this and is simply appealing.

INFERNO
March 21st, 2010, 09:39 PM
Because violence is fun. The reason My Little Ponies: The Video Game (which I just made up) doesn't outsell the Call Of Duty series is because one is more entertaining to play. Entertaining games have to appeal to a certain crowd, and right now, the crowd likes violence. Shooting guys is more fun than walking around as a pony. It's filled with action, adventure, suspense, intensity, and a certain addictiveness that makes you love the game. War and violence just fits with all of this and is simply appealing.

War games (realistic wars, not made-up wars) also have a strong emotional tie to them, such as if you're fighting off the Nazis, there are the emotional and historical ties to it. That, combined with the fad for violence makes the war games highly successful.

Hatsune Miku
March 21st, 2010, 10:04 PM
Peace sells, but who's buying?

People like violence, violence sells.
I think that games based on real wars are fine. It's just a game.

Omgthatsme
March 21st, 2010, 10:11 PM
I like real war games.

Giles
March 22nd, 2010, 10:55 AM
War games (realistic wars, not made-up wars) also have a strong emotional tie to them, such as if you're fighting off the Nazis, there are the emotional and historical ties to it. That, combined with the fad for violence makes the war games highly successful.

At first I misread what you posted. But then when I thought about it, what I saw reflected how I feel.

The actual emotional side (...the characters in the game - fictional or not) are created to me very deep, emotional wise, so it's obvious that companies are trying to make the games as realistic (in as many ways as possible) as possible. So, they know what the public feel - which means they know that people will continue to buy.

I don't see any problem with violent video games.

kyle56
March 23rd, 2010, 03:01 AM
Like sucuba steve said that it appeals more to teens and if it wasnt for war games most would probably wouldnt give a ..... about war. these may cause them to be more intrested in it.

Personally i see nothing wrong with war games. im 14. if i were an adult with childern i would rather my kids play Call of duty or halo because it really isnt super violent.
compared to GTA which is a very violent game that is to realistic and killing inocent people is something teens shouldnt play...

Sage
March 23rd, 2010, 07:21 AM
Personally i see nothing wrong with war games. im 14. if i were an adult with childern i would rather my kids play Call of duty or halo because it really isnt super violent.
compared to GTA which is a very violent game that is to realistic and killing inocent people is something teens shouldnt play...
Call of Duty is less realistic than GTA?
LOL.

Perseus
March 23rd, 2010, 03:31 PM
Call of Duty is less realistic than GTA?
LOL.

Well, at least in GTA you can't akimbo rifles and desert eagles and regain health when shot fifty times in the head. :P

No game is as real as real life.

scuba steve
March 23rd, 2010, 04:25 PM
i think the reason that the public would rather see their children playing violent shooter video games about war rather than the likes of GTA or Manhunt due to its aww factor. the last two openly promote urban violence and civil unrest which is believed that in weaker minds are very encouraging to re-enact these seens. wars would also be more civil even though it is about cold-murder of random young men and women because farther up the hierarchy a fat man disagress with another fat man on their relligious views etc. but at least there are rules to warfare, even the nazis had some bars that would not be crossed (granted they where very high) and with modern warfare games there is the geneva convention etc.

Aves
March 23rd, 2010, 04:32 PM
I think it's perfectly fine...

INFERNO
March 24th, 2010, 05:02 PM
Like sucuba steve said that it appeals more to teens and if it wasnt for war games most would probably wouldnt give a ..... about war. these may cause them to be more intrested in it.

Personally i see nothing wrong with war games. im 14. if i were an adult with childern i would rather my kids play Call of duty or halo because it really isnt super violent.
compared to GTA which is a very violent game that is to realistic and killing inocent people is something teens shouldnt play...

Innocent characters in Halo is not that cut-and-dry. Consider it as follows, you have a silly grunt running around in circles, showing it's scared for it's life yet you go and gun it down. You then have an elite or a brute, two strong characters, neither of which back down. So, is the grunt innocent? It certainly is helpless, weak, not willing to fight (would rather run and hide), and shoots you when it's less likely to be harmed. So, by saying that GTA kills innocent people while Halo doesn't, that's a bit hard to believe. In GTA, do you gun down random people who don't want to fight? Sure, but you do the same thing in Halo so they aren't different in that respect at all. The only difference is Halo is fantasy while GTA uses more realistic weapons and such. But then move onto Call of Duty, that game uses reaslistic people, weapons, etc..., just as GTA does.

scuba steve
March 24th, 2010, 06:14 PM
Innocent characters in Halo is not that cut-and-dry. Consider it as follows, you have a silly grunt running around in circles, showing it's scared for it's life yet you go and gun it down. You then have an elite or a brute, two strong characters, neither of which back down. So, is the grunt innocent? It certainly is helpless, weak, not willing to fight (would rather run and hide), and shoots you when it's less likely to be harmed. So, by saying that GTA kills innocent people while Halo doesn't, that's a bit hard to believe. In GTA, do you gun down random people who don't want to fight? Sure, but you do the same thing in Halo so they aren't different in that respect at all. The only difference is Halo is fantasy while GTA uses more realistic weapons and such. But then move onto Call of Duty, that game uses reaslistic people, weapons, etc..., just as GTA does.

well, the banning of torture and murder of people applies to every human on earth according to their Human rights similar laws apply to animals against cruelty and killing, but grunts are aliens and so as such are not covered by these laws. i know it was a pretty stupid point but fun just to point out

franky boy
March 24th, 2010, 07:45 PM
i like war video games , its good for the normal human to relieve some stress and thats one hell of a good way to do so , plus , they are really fun to play , makes you learn about history and entertain you at the same time :)