New mod in puberty

[Dante]

I was in the puberty forum and I think that there should be a female puberty moderator....It is like dominated by men, that forum needs a female viewpoint.

[northskater110]

i agree, im a male, but have to say there still should be a female mod because girls post their puberty questions and us guys dont know as much about their puberty.

[Charlotte]

I suggested it a long time ago and well it didnt go through.

[~Dazed&&Confused~]

think we should though as a man dont understand a womens problem as good as a woman...

[Waiting]

not without someone giving up thier position
we dont need yet another mod for that forum
although i dotn visit in there
i agree it would be good to have a female viewpoint
but, i think someone needs to be de-modded first

[saucysister]

Who would be perfect for this job? Who are the active female users on this site?

[Bobby]

Well I think that you would de-mod the least active moderator in that particular forum. And i think there should be a Job Opening for it. You can't just nominate someone.

[saucysister]

. And i think there should be a Job Opening for it. You can't just nominate someone.

there are very few female active users on this site. it shouldnt be that hard to list 3or 4 of them. are there even that many? :confused:

[Bobby]

there aren't as many active female members as their are male (i think) A lot of the active females are fairly and aren't very qualified. ( sorry to new female members) I can think of a few people that i think could do it. but i'm not gonna name anyone.

[Whisper]

I'd like to just like get rid of the puberty forum and have it so they click on puberty and it auto redirects them to the puberty section on govteen it would save us allot of headaches and they'd have access to ALLOT more information then we can offer them here
meh

[Kiros]

Hmmm... See, the thing is, the current moderation is just fine. Males nor females need to be moderators to contribute their opinion. The female point of view is absent only if females don't post. Am I wrong? :?

[Charlotte]

You have a point, but we know puberty is a personal fourm and if it's ment for boys and girls, it should be led by both. Doesn't that make sense?

[Kiros]

As one of my friends would say "True dat," although, in a sense, moderators actually "moderate" the forum(s). Granted that moderators are usually seen as role models and have a stricter standard than normal members, but leading is done by the community. The community as a whole hold VirtualTeen up. The staff just take care of some detailed, behind-the-scenes sort of stuff. If a current moderator is willing to give up his position in the Puberty For the Mentally Ill forum, then we can appoint a female one to take his place. Otherwise, I think that the puberty forum has as many moderators as is needed. :|

[~Dazed&&Confused~]

spose he has a point... i mean they basically lock topics and give their opinions and help us... but then again girls post in the topic so their still giving a point of view.. and we dont need anyone else to moderate the forums... they're fine as they are..

[saucysister]

If a current moderator is willing to give up his position in the Puberty For the Mentally Ill forum, then we can appoint a female one to take his place.|

Welshlad is mod of two forums and he hasnt posted in a couple months

[Kiros]

Did you talk to him and is he willing to leave his moderator position in the puberty forum?

[Charlotte]

Somehow I doubt it :P

[saucysister]

Did you talk to him and is he willing to leave his moderator position in the puberty forum?

Hahaha that's one of those questions that you ask that you already know the answer to. if I did talk to him I would let him speak for himself. You know that but you were trying to make a point with me.

All I was saying was that if anyone has to go he should. It doesnt take a genious

[Aηdy]

You dont need a female mod in puberty because the mods just kkep the place in order, regular members, male or female can still help just the same

[saucysister]

This is just a male chauvinist site.

[redcar]

i think we should have a female mod in the Puberty, because i think it would make girls more comfortable with asking questions, knowing there is a female about who will answer those questions regularly. but Kiros and Patch do have a good point, to add another mod would mea there too many, like we have an abundance at the mo, and it would be unfair to let someone unless they were willing to.

[~Dazed&&Confused~]

You dont need a female mod in puberty because the mods just kkep the place in order, regular members, male or female can still help just the same
thats what i said >.<...

[Kiros]

This is just a male chauvinist site.

See, I was afraid of you were leaning toward that. Fortunately, this is not a prejudice site, not in any means. If we sense someone being racist, sexist, or hinting derogative ideas about anyone, then we warn them immediately and take further action if it's needed. I, personally, wanted there to be both male and female counselors and sure enough, after deciding who would fit the job, Nykole became our newest counselor. Heather use to be a global moderator, and Bri still is one. Do not accuse this site of being chauvinistic toward males. All of us have made our points about this. I've stated a completely reasonable deal. I really shouldn't have even offered that because the moderators have already been chosen. Those were the ones that had the best applications. If you don't like it, that's really just too bad. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but that's just it. If I could show you who applied, then you would see that many more males applied for that job. Could that be helped? Sure, if more females applied, but that didn't happen. Open your eyes, please. This is not a sexist site, so do not treat it like that just because you're not getting what you want as easily as you wanted. My goodness... And yes, I was trying to make a point with you. It seems that you find it hard to ask Lloyd to give up his position that he applied for so a possibly inexperienced person could take over for the sole purpose that you wanted a female moderator. Hmmm... Come to think of it, I would find that hard to do myself. Though Lloyd's a nice guy, he might be happy to do it if you ask him. Are you starting to get that point now?

Anyway, calling this community a male chauvinist site will just get you warned for trolling. I'm letting you go for that, but please do not show the same attitude again.

[saucysister]

I dont think you should be like "well since there were no girls then o well." if the forum cant be equalized, then they should be seperated. you can keep your male moderators and females have a leader in their own. for a time (until recently) there were only male surveys, male related stickies, and male dominated FAQs.

if no one was qualified then, how about now? males may have been all you had to work with then, but its been awhile now probaby (correct me if im wrong). if no females applied then, how can new females that may have just joined or registerd afterward get a chance?

and im not doing this for myself or anything. ive been here for 2 months and i dont want anyone accusing me of wanting this for myself

[Bobby]

By helping people and giving good advie on topics. Also if your angry about the stickieds, and FAQs. Than you should complain to the moderators of that forum. not in here.

[Kiros]

I dont think you should be like "well since there were no girls then o well." if the forum cant be equalized, then they should be seperated. you can keep your male moderators and females have a leader in their own. for a time (until recently) there were only male surveys, male related stickies, and male dominated FAQs.

if no one was qualified then, how about now? males may have been all you had to work with then, but its been awhile now probaby (correct me if im wrong). if no females applied then, how can new females that may have just joined or registerd afterward get a chance?

and im not doing this for myself or anything. ive been here for 2 months and i dont want anyone accusing me of wanting this for myself

What do you mean if they can't be equalized then they should be separated? The forums are all equal. Are half the moderators girls and half are boys? No. But that does not mean that their not equal. Again, moderators do not lead a forum. They can, but then so can regular members. If you wanted complete equality, then maybe you need to see the big picture here. This website is on the internet and on the internet, anyone could lie about anything. That's not even half the problem. Another thing is, if you wanted gender equality for the moderators, then why not race, orientation, creed, religion and so on? The world is not completely equal with these things. You cannot make everything equal. Now with the internet, I guess this might be possible for a 3000 member community, but then again, it's on the internet, and anyone can say anything - even lie about their own gender. So now, once again, we have that problem.

But ya know what? That actually doesn't matter :rolleyes: Right now, I'm a little concerned about your insecurities... Seems an all male moderator group gets you easily upset - to a point where you actually say "if the forum cant be equalized, then they should be separated." There's something incredibly to radical about that. I'm sure I'm not the only one that senses this... (Or is it just me?)

The fact of the matter is, the puberty forum is for both males and females, as is every forum in this community. The puberty moderators are moderators, it's as simple as that. They are not the entire population of the puberty forum. But no, that's not good enough for you, right? You're for the "separate but equal" kind of thing, right? That's really not what we're about here... We embrace the idea of being one community that is not separated by gender, race, religion, and so on. One community is always equal to itself. :)

Ah, and you brought up that the puberty forum only had "male surveys, male related stickies, and male dominated FAQs." You see, we actually had female and male surveys and FAQs (which were the stickies). But an inexperienced and ambitious moderator took the liberty in deleting every sticky (and a couple announcements) in the puberty forum. Needless to say, that was not what we wanted, but he did not want to take the time to discuss any operations, so... After a while, we got the main announcement reconstructed, but we decided to leave out most of the stickies. Some members actually came up with some surveys and FAQ content, which was added. Though again, it cannot be helped if someone did not make a female survey. If a guy creates one, then he gets bashed by the girls and called a pervert, but if a guy doesn't make one, then complaints start arising because one was not created yet? :? That's just wrong...

Ok, so now, this is your final unofficial warning. If you do not stop trolling around, I'll have to write you an official warning, which will get you one step closer to being banned temporarily or permanently.

[Bobby]

Wow Kiros, you took the word outta my mouth. The truth is Saucysister, if you wanna make some stickies or and FAQ, make it and then ask a puberty mod to sticky it. Other wise I'd stop complaining.

[Charlotte]

If it makes anybody feel any better, when I'm online I'll just browse the puberty forum for girl questions and try to answer them.

[DouggyO.o]

just cuz there is no female mods doesnt mean they still cant help. just because we can lock and have a differnt face doesnt mean we beter than anyother member, we have the same help to offer its not nessasarly mandatory to have a mod of both sex. does this make sence?

[Aηdy]

thats what i said >.<...

sorry i missed a few bits :D

[Whisper]

But ya know what? That actually doesn't matter :rolleyes: Right now, I'm a little concerned about your insecurities... Seems an all male moderator group gets you easily upset - to a point where you actually say "if the forum cant be equalized, then they should be separated." There's something incredibly to radical about that. I'm sure I'm not the only one that senses this... (Or is it just me?)
No your not


theres more male members then there is female members on VT we didnt decide that we just joined and thats how it turned out
its pure statistics that theres going to be more male mods
Bri
Heather
and Nykole
are AWESOME there wonderful girls and they all do/did a great job
I have ALLOT of respect for them



I still say we get rid of the pub forum

[Waiting]

Ergh
I think puberty is the forum that creates the most trouble
but it also introduces the most new faces aswell

ive been bringing up for 2 years now that we should scrap the puberty forum, but its never been applied, so im guessign thats a lost cause


anyway, sausysister,
if you want to help, then go answer peoples questionsa nd help them!
it would do everyoen alot mroe good then argueing here.

sorry about all my typo's.
its late and ive had exams for a month, and worked 3days straight
no rest for the wicked.

[DouggyO.o]

No your not


theres more male members then there is female members on VT we didnt decide that we just joined and thats how it turned out
its pure statistics that theres going to be more male mods
Bri
Heather
and Nykole
are AWESOME there wonderful girls and they all do/did a great job
I have ALLOT of respect for them



I still say we get rid of the pub forum

with out it we wil lose possable members for the future i joined for puberty and moved onlike most of them do u think it should stay because ur just messign up what used to be the vt i knew but with all these changes it could eather fail or escalate

p.s u forgot lynne lol

[Bobby]

Puberty does cause a lot of trouble but it's also what brings in a lot of new members.

[Dante]

whoa, how the hell did this escalate...All i suggested was a female puberty mod...how did it go from talks to deleting the forum.

[Kiros]

That's what Loki (Ummm? Still?) said, Bobby :P

[Bobby]

I know..... I was backing him up.

[JunkBondTrader]

with out it we wil lose possable members for the future i joined for puberty and moved onlike most of them do u think it should stay because ur just messign up what used to be the vt i knew but with all these changes it could eather fail or escalate

p.s u forgot lynne lol
What about the original VT? When I joined there wasn't a puberty forum but people kept posting in TWPR so one was created. This wasn't meant to be a puberty site and whether or not it attracts new visitors we could just redirect the to Gov or P101 and the members who want to join for what VT actually is can stay. But there's no need for someone to come along, ask one question that's been answered a millon times making every spelling error possible then never return to the thread.

Granted, you were an exception and your a nice guy too but most people who come for the puberty forum will never come back.

[MoveAlong]

*Dizzy* How long was I gone? We have two new moderators, Cody and Loki. I'm gonna have to search around. Umm...ok let's see here.

Alex (redcar) stole (Alex how dare you :angry:) a puberty survey from Govteen for girls. So far it hasn't been used. So maybe we should divide the surveys up a little bit or prune them (which, by the way, I'm not in favor for :P)

What I don't like is there's too many stickys, and if we add much more there will be just a little space for the new threads. Kinda like what the TV guide channel turned into!

It would make me feel a little better that we would have a female puberty mod. The moderators are kind of like leaders (not saying that they are). I've seen that Adam and Will (at least n.n) know a little bit about puberty. Koler was once a puberty mod, and I've searched the hidden caves of the archives to find some of his intresting threads and topics.

Anyway, yes this is a community. Everybody helps, nomatter if they have a position or not. People come in and out to find some info on their problems, no matter what they are. Puberty, Bi-Polar, Gay, Debates, Schizo, Health, everything. This is why I like VT guys (& Gals :P). It's so great to see people come in and maybe not be part of our family, but to learn and, find out about their problems. It makes me so happy to see the veriety of help. It's so great :cry: it's so great :)


I don't know what to do about the stickys. It would really be good if I did. But I don't. I think there's still a sticky that's entitiled announcement :|
I think that we can find out what to do about that.


But there's a couple of things that bother me. Nobody (and I mean barely none) read the announcements. The announcements are great!! They have helpful information. I remember a couple of announcments in each of the forums that have them. I usually see 48 to about 460 people who have viewed the specialised threads, and compare those to the stickys!

Back to the female moderator. That would be great. I'm really for it. Like I said, moderators lead the forums. If you had a person in a top chair who didn't know anything about what they do, would that be helpful? Sure they could lock thread and such, but we need someone who knows. TWPR (White Padded Room) is full off mods who don't post in there super often. But we're not talking about that. We're talking about puberty mods :bulb:
It would be great to have one. VERY VERY SMALL things help people. Motivate them. Let's take on of the jobs.
Counselor
Both Counselors on this site have a friendly tone. They have knowledge about helping people and love their job. They have a way in what they type and post that makes alot of people, at least me, feel better. (Not saying I'm kissin' up to Kiros -_-)

It's small, but it works. A small thing of having a female moderator would help/make some people think "Oh a girl mod too? Well I guess I'll post about that period :("

Now here's where it get a little deep. When you think, the reason you think faster is generally because you don't think of words in your head. You might think in words, talk to youreself, but if you're trying let's say write a book, or talk to a person, you plan what you're going to say/write. But when something is a little hard to say or articulate in your head, you usually skip over it with an emotion, a picture, or don't even think it. That's what makes you think fast. Because you don't talk half or most of the time in your head.
When I think, if something is hard for me to say, my mind blotches it out. I don't know what, but it blotches it out with something so I can skip over it and finish the chain.

A female puberty mod can change and blotch out that little worry. The battle of the sexes is a ever-going battle. It's best to make it as confortible as we can make it without straining ourself too much.

But who could do such a job? I don't know. Again, I wish I did. But since I can't come up with it, you guys will help me. No, no, you won't help me, you'll talk it over and share your thoughts. Then an Admin (probably Kiros O_o) will help us sort though it even more and make the last desicion.


I hope you made it this far XD because I have a few more little worries. People need to read big posts or they'll miss out on that. BUT, if I say that, then they'll think that they need to do that. Then they'll just say eh a reading site -_- ditchin' this joint.

But you guys gotta read it. Another thing about blotching out the mind stuff. People know stickys are important. So they feel more compelled to read them, since that's what they're for. The puberty sticky/announcment is great, because it's colored, things are big, ect. It's not only instresting, it makes you want to read more.

Another thing, that "New" post count face is very intemidating. Other people might feel intemidated by the 250 face, the 1000 face, and of course the 500 face :D Then the other ones too. There's so many of us and we've been posting for so long that a new person comes in here with no experience, and some people arn't social, so they'll just join, ask, want to stay but are to scared/intemidated to do so. I had to push through to post count 100 to feel more grounded here. Now, I really feel like a member. Maybe we should make something more than the FAQ. Maybe in the Introductions forum, we'll make s sticky that explains how we want you here. But if we do that, don't say "Don't be scared" and just that. It should say that even though we're a big site with people who've been here longer, you can still be one of us. You can be a friend that's here forever. :)

And maybe it won't be that. AAAHH swo0ze789 . m,i34,mxcf

Still, I gave my point, I hope you read it O_O And I always hope it helps. I love VT forever :- )

[Bobby]

Wow donnie.

[Ravenous]

Welshlad is mod of two forums and he hasnt posted in a couple months
Word, he just pops his head in for a week or two then fucks off for several months, hardly reliable is he.
A female puberty mod would be a good idea, if one of the current mods is removed that is, it has plenty for now.

[Bobby]

Ya. Let me gather my opinion in a whole : Welshlad should be de-modded in both of his forums. and We should hire a female Puberty mod.

[Kiros]

Ok, first of all... Donnie, give your fingers a break :P
Now then, I am for equality, but this isn't a sexist site.
The male moderators are not conspiring to take over the site... O_o Like I said earlier, if, and only if, someone asks Lloyd and he agrees will he be replaced. He's a very experienced moderator and I will not have him replaced simply because he's having personal issues that are keeping him from showing up. I really think it's unfair to judge him so quickly - or at all. Though I can't expect that everyone would empathize entirely the way I'd hope. :?

So, if someone is willing to ask him, and if he agrees, I'll see if I can set up an opening.

[MoveAlong]

Good plan :) And my fingers would first be hurting from :violin:

Equality is good, and that's a good plan. I never said this site was sexist O_O But just that we might be able to get one and it might help girls seeking for puberty advice work up that little extra motivation to post about their problems :)

[Whisper]

I think its selfish to keep anyone girl or boy here to use the puberty forum just so our active members can have a SLIM chance of increasing
we all know dam well that govteens puberty section is HUGE they would have access to ALLOT more then we could ever offer.
If VT's still what it used to be a site dedicated to helping people, then its wrong for us to try and keep them here instead.
Not to mention VT's losing track of what it was originally created for
welcome to the PSYCHIATRIC ward
I mean don't get me wrong I have no problem with a general discussions forum, music forum, etc... those are there for us to just hang out but the puberty is another forum where the main drive is for information thats hard to get in the real world.
The puberty forums takin over VT and its not even a very good one
for the most part the info given here is vauge and sketchy at best. Govteen has the ability and thetools at hand to truly help them
we dont
GovTeen Puberty Section ~clicky~ (http://forums.govteen.com/forumdisplay.php?f=109) ...I mean honestly

not to mention thats the single most problomatic forum on VT
and the forums for which this site was created always seem to come in last when planing this site
am i the only one that thinks thats bad

[MoveAlong]

We don't need to keep everyone :| But it would be nice to have some new members that stay. I'm not saying that ANYONE has to. But if they want they can. My greeting was just for if you want to stay but are intimidated or it might encourage someone to stay. People come in and out every single day.

Our puberty forum isn't the best. BUT NEITHER IS GOVTEENS! There must be one site that's dedicated to puberty. That one might be the best. Govteen has very helpful things in their puberty forum. But do you want this site to die? We shouldn't reffer someone to Govteen just because it has a better puberty forum. Our puberty forum is great as it is. Nothing's the best. You'll never be the best at anything. Nobody will, noTHING will. But so far, I'm happy with our forum because alot of people come in here to get help, we help them, and they're on their marry way. Plus, think of the people who are just guests that come around in VT and search for things. Everything helps.

Now we could reffer the Psyciatric people to here, but this is more of a community now. It isn't just a place for people to post about how crazy they are. VT has grown.

Ooo I'm having a preminition...how the fuck would you know how it's grown?

...
I've read around enough to know. I read the very early times to very recent times. From the tones in what people type and what's posted in here, what people way about VT in VT itself, I know that it's grown. It doesn't take a :smartass: to know.


Yeah, it's problematic. But it works.

[Ravenous]

The male moderators are not conspiring to take over the site... O_o Like I said earlier, if, and only if, someone asks Lloyd and he agrees will he be replaced. He's a very experienced moderator and I will not have him replaced simply because he's having personal issues that are keeping him from showing up. I really think it's unfair to judge him so quickly - or at all. Though I can't expect that everyone would empathize entirely the way I'd hope. :?

So, if someone is willing to ask him, and if he agrees, I'll see if I can set up an opening.
He has dissapeared at least twice before for long lengths of time, and he is hardly experienced, he has been a mod for about a month or two max.
The more I think about it, the more I think removing the puberty forum would be a good idea, although it would loose us many active members who join for puberty, then move to the rest of the site.

[northskater110]

yea de-mod him. he is never on. Female mods would no more about the female's puberty problems anyways.

[DouggyO.o]

if he cant be loyal enough to stay and mod the puberty forum with us than it wont be much of a suprise when he coem sback

[redcar]

i dont think we should be talking about Lloyd like this, well at least give him a chance to have his say, for all we know he could have comp problems, or something like that thats stopping him being around as much.

[MoveAlong]

I was just about to say that Alex :yes:

But it might take a little while for him to post ^_^ I've only seen him active once since I joined :| I think the PM idea would be the best.

[redcar]

well i sent him an email. so lets hope he drops in. :)

[MoveAlong]

I forgot the email idea O_O

[Charlotte]

kudos to alex for taking the inititive :D

[WelshLad]

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7019

[JunkBondTrader]

thats what i said >.<...

Moderate /m?d'?r-?t/ (noun)

an individual who holds an intermediate position between those generally classified as being left-wing or liberal and those seen as being right-wing, conservative, or fundamentalist

Well, I think that definition is for another meaning of moderate but your right. Mods don't lead the community, the members do. Mods just... well they moderate.