Suicide - is it ending your life before it was ment to end?

[1_21Guns]

I know the majority says its cutting your life short and blah, and feel free to correct me or whatever, but if people say things happen for a reason and all the rest, then is it just fate that you end your life, is it supposed to happen then?

[Mr. Smithers]

I'm not saying suicide was meant to happen for that person.

Probably the things that led up to that person committing suicide probably happen for a reason.

[Obscene Eyedeas]

This can be looked at in many ways some say that everything happens for a reason so suicide must too. some would argue that a person commits suicide solely by choice and that nothing is meant to be so ht is cutting their Life short. i don't think this question has a right or wrong answer. it just depends really on what you believe in

[Camazotz]

There's no such thing as fate or destiny. You create your future everyday by your actions.

[2D]

There's no such thing as fate or destiny. You create your future everyday by your actions.

Who's to say you're making your own decisions? You may think you are but you could be following some preplanned life. We just don't know. This gets into the "what is reality" debate which is nigh on impossible to define. So, I'll just leave it at this.

Everything you think you know is right could easily be wrong.

[deadpie]

Their isn't a meaning to life. Anyone that said God had a plan for them or if some dipshit says God's will was for them to die is an idiot.
Nothing is actually of importance and value.
If you ended your life before it was meant to end, then it wouldn't of ended. This also proves that God doesn't exist, or is an asswhole.

:P Nihilism.

[BeautifulDisaster]

I've tried to take my life since I was 8 years old more than 30-40 times now, lost freakin count.
I'm lucky to still be here after some of the attempts I've made.

My friend overdosed and he succeeded, he died.
(of course, he regretted doing it and he was in an awful amount of pain before passing away.)
I don't think he attempted very many times at all.

I think fate exists.
Either that, or I'm extremely lucky.
Which I don't believe.

I think that if you manage to kill yourself, it was your time to go, because plenty of people fail time and time again, even if they do lethal attempts, and yet others could attempt once and succeed.

I do believe in fate, and I do believe that everything happens for a reason, and that some things are destined to happen in our lives.

[Stolen Memories]

Hmm, I think that everything happens for a reason, I tried to kill myself but I'm still here and my life has gotten a lot better thanks to my bf (I love you ;)). I think it wasn't my time to go yet and so I am still here.

[Triceratops]

To be frank, I've attempted suicide more than several times. I don't feel the need to develop into further detail.

The way I see it, we - as somewhat mere beings - will never grasp the deeper meaning beyond life, as it's so complex and far away from our own comprehension and understanding. This is where I bring along my own humble beliefs into the discussion; only a much greater power than us will ever have the ability to fathom life's most complicated justifications. Mankind will never succeed in such a perplexed thing; we lack the wisdom, knowledge, power and experience in comparison to what these immensely higher beings behold upon us. I'm not saying we should just give up searching for deeper reasonings, it's just that I sincerely doubt anyone could possibly conquer the exact true meaning of life, ever.

[deadpie]

Maybe the reason you guys are still alive from suicide attempts is because you've tried every way except a gun.

[Sapphire]

I do not believe in fate.
I also don't believe that someone can be beyond help.
Suicide, although understandable, is not the answer. It isn't something that's supposed to happen. It isn't something that should happen. It isn't the way to make things better.
It is akin to running away from home because of an argument, instead of dealing with it.

[BeautifulDisaster]

Even people with guns can survive.

I've tried lethal attempts before, and they've failed.

I just find it hard to believe it's pure luck.

I think it's fate.

[2D]

Even people with guns can survive.

Shoot yourself in the face and then get back to me.

If someone wants to die, they can easily do it.

[deadpie]

Even people with guns can survive.

I've tried lethal attempts before, and they've failed.

I just find it hard to believe it's pure luck.

I think it's fate.

Kurt Cobain style. Fate obviously hated having him around.

[Sapphire]

The method you use will affect the likelihood of success but it does not dictate the success rate. Other things such as location and likelihood of being found play into it as well.

If you are completely set on killing yourself then you will ensure that the method you use will succeed, that the location you choose will allow you large enough time margins without interruption to succeed and so on.

[Ryhanna]

I think it's pretty much scientifically proven that suicide dramatically lowers the lifespan and you would live longer without killing yourself lol.

[Aspiringanonymous]

I believe that those who fail, did so ultimately because it was not yet their time. So, yes, those who succeed were 'meant to'. There are so many ways in which lethal attempts can falter, and unintentional acts (such as cutting too deep) can be lethal.

That doesn't mean that people who are suicidal should just be left to die. That recognizes the fact that not everyone will live out their natural biological lifespan, and among those who do not, some will die by their own hand. Humans have been given the ability to commit suicide, and therefore there will always be someone out there who decides to put that to use. For different reasons of course; some admirable, others very unfortunate.

If you think that everything exists for a purpose - and this belief seems to be quite popular - then suicide does as well.

"Men are convinced of your arguments, your sincerity, and the seriousness of your efforts only by your death." -Albert Camus

[deadpie]

Everyone that died was meant to die then. All those Jews in the holocaust had it coming. "It was their time." It was meant to happen.

[Aspiringanonymous]

Their death has taught human civilization to be cautious of the forces which led up to it; fascism, aggressive dictators, racial hate, and so forth. We are creatures that learn most effectively through experiencing the undesirable, to ensure that such things would not ever happen again.

No one ever dies in vain. Through death the most powerful messages are delivered to the world.

[deadpie]

Nothing is meant to happen. Their is no such thing as fate. A six year old kid could slit his wrists and die right now; does that mean it was his time to die?
Then i guess it's nice to think of a vengeful God then a God that just doesn't give a shit about you or anyone else. :P

[CuriousDestruction]

to be brief, if you want to end your life, i believe you need a good reason to do so. is it fate? maybe. does fate really matter? i don't see why. things will happen. that's all i know and all i need to know.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Now Hitler, Imma let you finish. But Curt Cobain had the best suicide ever.

[BeautifulDisaster]

I don't need to shoot myself in the face to prove that that method of suicide can fail, there already is proof of that, but furthermore I have no gun and have no access to a gun, and I wouldn't shoot myself in the face purely for you 2D. :)

[2D]

Your point that people can survive even if they use a gun is true. But only if you pussyfoot around it. Someone has to be clinically retarded if they try to kill them self with a gun and fail. Or they just don't want to die.

[deadpie]

I've tried to take my life since I was 8 years old more than 30-40 times now, lost freakin count.
.

I haven't called bullshit on anything for years, but this, is just complete and utter bullshit.
Did you like, use a paperclip and a couple Tylenol? I've never....ever heard of anyone attempt suicide over 30 times and still be alive. If you want to die, you would of died by now. Like someone said in page one said, if someone is contemplating suicide, they would make sure it's the right place and the right time where nobody would be able to save you.

[Inconvenience]

meant to be - is used only for hiddin one's ass. we have a full freedom to do whatever we want, and if sometimes we shit, we shouldn't blame it to fate

[BeautifulDisaster]

I haven't called bullshit on anything for years, but this, is just complete and utter bullshit.
Did you like, use a paperclip and a couple Tylenol? I've never....ever heard of anyone attempt suicide over 30 times and still be alive. If you want to die, you would of died by now. Like someone said in page one said, if someone is contemplating suicide, they would make sure it's the right place and the right time where nobody would be able to save you.


I do wonder why I'm alive myself, as a lot of my attempts have been lethal, but I'm not going to prove myself to some stranger, I know that it is true, and I don't need someone else to tell me it isn't, I know the facts, clearly you don't.
& No, I didn't use that lol.

[deadpie]

I do wonder why I'm alive myself, as a lot of my attempts have been lethal, but I'm not going to prove myself to some stranger, I know that it is true, and I don't need someone else to tell me it isn't, I know the facts, clearly you don't.
& No, I didn't use that lol.

Call it a failed attempt. Their is no such thing as fate. I know what I'm talking about. I've been to enough funerals from friends to know that it doesn't exist. People don't die just because it's "their time". People die because they fucking die. Nothing makes humans any more important than any other character. So if anyone in this fucking world says someone dies because it was fate, well it's the same with animals too.
By the way, negative repping me isn't going to make me cry or feel bad for anything I say to you or anyone else on this place.

[BeautifulDisaster]

lol, er, okay then, but that's your opinion, and thankfully the world doesn't go by it, and just because you've been to "enough funerals" doesn't mean you know either. =)

& I do call them "failed attempts", everyone naturally would/does. :)

Adios.

[Sapphire]

BeautifulDisaster, why do you say it is fate and not that you simply didn't plan well enough or didn't actually want to die?

[BeautifulDisaster]

Because I don't believe I could lethally try so many times & not succeed.
It doesn't make any sense to me.
& I did try plan well enough, even wrote out notes, & I did want to die, I researched thoroughly and even overdosed many times MORE than lethally, so, I SHOULD have died.
And yet my good friend tried only a few times & I'm not even sure he overdosed that lethally, and he died.
I do believe in fate, and that is my belief, if you believe otherwise, so be it, but thankfully the world don't go by any single belief, there are many of them.
Now, if you don't mind, I'm leaving this thread now as discussing this is very sensitive and triggering to me, and honestly I was not expecting for this to come of this, I hope you will respect that.

[Sapphire]

I'm sorry you are getting triggered.
All I've done is ask why you hold this belief. I've not challenged your situation or your actions.

Anyway, I'm a firm believer that our future lies in our own hands. What we do each day is in our power to control.
I think that to say otherwise is impractical and illogical.

[Magus]

Yes, I think suicide is the ending of your life before it was meant to be.

Let say for an example; that you are to die in old age or an accident. Let say this are things are meant to be.

But killing yourself is the possibility that you killed yourself, because it was your whole will to end your life and not letting nature to grasp the time you get to die.