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Whisper
June 18th, 2006, 03:16 PM
I dont expect you to read all of this I know its big
but this WILL EFFECT YOU and your children so i'm asking you to atleast skim it
the age of exploytation is over WE will be the first generation to really pay for humanitys mistakes
Right now we have roughly 700 billion ton of carbon dioxide in earths atmosphere this is causing earths weather network to destabalize the ten hottest years ever on record happened in the past 14yrs, the hottest was 2005, Katrina was just the begining storms are going to get allot worse and happen allot more often, earths weather system is destabalizing
the arctic is dissapearing ice used to be on average 10-11ft thick its now less then 6ft, chuncks the size of colarado are breaking off. If it dissapears colpletly the oceans will rise by 20ft
goodbye manhatten, half of florida, etc..

There are some threats bigger then terrorism
We are fighting for our very right to live




Permafrost melt could speed up global warming


500 billion tons of extra CO{-2} could be released, study says




Global warming might be significantly worse than expected during the next century because the melting of carbon-rich permafrost in Siberia could expel hundreds of billions of tons of extra greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, scientists warn in a new study.

Experts said they can't be certain how large the impact might be, because they can't accurately estimate how much of the extra greenhouse gases will be absorbed by plants and the oceans.

One of the more frightening possibilities is that the permafrost-caused warming could feed on itself in what one scientist called a "vicious cycle": That is, it could trigger the melting of additional ice, which would unleash more greenhouse gases and thus cause more warming, in a self-repeating cycle for no one knows how long.

The melting of Siberian permafrost that has been frozen for thousands of years could eject about 500 billion tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere during the next century, scientists from Russia, Alaska and Florida report in today's issue of Science. By comparison, at present the atmosphere contains about 700 billion tons of greenhouse gases.

"I'm a scientist, so we tend to be conservative in our language. But I would say this could make global warming significantly worse" than expected, said E.A.G. "Ted" Schurr, a former UC Berkeley doctoral student who is one of the article's three authors. The other authors are Sergey A. Zimov of the Russian Academy of Sciences and Terry Chapin of the University of Alaska at Fairbanks.

Schurr, now a professor of botany at the University of Florida in Gainesville, traveled to Siberia to collect samples of permafrost -- permanently frozen ground rich in carbon-laden dust particles that have accumulated over a million and a half years. He extracted permafrost samples from up to 10 feet beneath the ground, then hauled them back to Florida in standard coolers, stopping from time to time to refreeze the samples in a fridge so they wouldn't melt en route.

When he allowed the permafrost to melt in his lab in Gainesville, microbes attacked and absorbed the carbon, transforming much of it into carbon dioxide gas. Schurr measured the rate of carbon dioxide emission by shining an infrared beam through it. The estimate of 500 billion tons in extra greenhouse emissions was derived partly from this analysis.

Carbon dioxide is the best-known greenhouse gas: It accelerates global warming by trapping infrared radiation before it can leave the atmosphere. Fossil fuels, when burned by cars and factories, are major sources of atmospheric carbon dioxide.

Leading climate models haven't incorporated the possibility of a major new greenhouse gas source from Siberia. The new report "makes it kind of scary -- it means there's a form of climate risk that we really haven't got a good handle on," said Chris Field, director of the Carnegie Institution's Department of Global Ecology at Stanford.

He was not directly connected with the study published in Science, but he and colleagues are working with the authors to incorporate their findings in improved computer models of future climate change.
In interviews Thursday, experts who aren't connected with the Science paper had varied reactions.

"It could raise temperatures dramatically beyond the current projections. Second, it could raise the rate at which temperatures rise," paleoclimatologist David Anderson of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's National Climate Prediction Center in Boulder, Colo., said in a phone interview.
Anderson noted that present-day models estimate the average planetary temperature will rise by 5.5 degrees Fahrenheit if carbon dioxide levels double. It's uncertain, though, how fast that doubling (which is driven in part by fast-spreading industrialization and car ownership) could occur.

"Conceivably, (permafrost melting) could eventually -- say within several centuries -- have as much impact as the burning of fossil fuels," raising the average planetary temperature by more than 10 degrees, Anderson said.
The Science study shows the amount of carbon frozen in permafrost around the world, not just Siberia, is much higher than previously calculated, a climate expert at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory said.

"We have known (about) the permafrost in Siberia before," explained atmospheric scientist Bala Govindasamy of the lab. "Previous estimates for global permafrost (are) between 200 and 400 (billion tons). This study has found higher carbon content in the Siberian permafrost and estimates that the total global amount could be about 1,000 (billion tons)."

The U.N.-sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change produced an original estimate for global warming of 3 to 11 degrees Fahrenheit over the next century, Govindasamy said. He added that the new permafrost data might push the estimate much higher -- to 5 to 15 degrees.
Kevin Trenberth, one of the nation's top climate modelers, said it's "hard to say" how much the findings could affect forecasts of global warming, but the effects are "likely nontrivial," he said in an e-mail.

TheWizard
June 18th, 2006, 03:31 PM
Wow that will change human, animal, and plant life all over earth. Very scary

Dante
June 18th, 2006, 05:36 PM
My friend thinks there is no such thing as Global Warming, but I def. believe it and it frightens me on a reg basis.
Most of us have family, in the places where devastation will likly occur.....What pisses me off is that people are aware , but noone seems to care.

redcar
June 18th, 2006, 07:09 PM
i think peoples problems when it comes to this is that we think "sure what can i do, i'm just one person". and sort of take a laid back approach to it. but its scary what will happen.

RowanVer.3.0
June 19th, 2006, 02:37 PM
Meh.. I'm not going to worry about it. I don't really care. If we die, we die. Everybody dies someday. It's not cool, but it happens.. What's the point of being scared of something so inevitable as death?

Live while you still can- without worries.

Whisper
June 19th, 2006, 03:08 PM
thats rather selfish
were not talking about just your life
were talking about all life on earth humans, animals, plants and bugs alike

and its not inevitable
it can still be fixed
if we actually get off our asses and do something
but that would require work and every human i've ever met is either lazy, greedy or selfish

R_master
June 19th, 2006, 03:57 PM
keyword, "could" not will.


there could be a giant metor coming to hit earth, but there isnt. Some Scientists just like feeding the fire, there is no credible evidence of global warming. Dont just believe what the media says is true. There is no solid proof of any doomsday caused by greenhouse gases, so enjoy yourselfs now and dont fear for the future. Sure it could be true but there has been alot of effort already being put into reducing greenhouse gases.

RowanVer.3.0
June 19th, 2006, 04:50 PM
I don't know man. I've been hearing the same bullshit year after year. The same people worrying about the same bullshit year after year. And last time I checked, the world hasn't exploded yet.

Don't worry yourself.. Nobodies going to do anything about it. The truth is, nobody really cares enough. Might aswell not spend all your time being bugged that this may happen when chances are it won't.

TheWizard
June 19th, 2006, 05:14 PM
It is going to happen so everyone needs to push our lazy ass governments to do something about it.

Charlotte
June 19th, 2006, 05:20 PM
What can we realisticly do then?

Whisper
June 19th, 2006, 05:38 PM
theres proof everywhere you're just chosing to remain blind to it

how do you explain chunks the size of Colorado (like half of alberta) breaking off of antarctica
how do you explain the arctics ice thinning it used to be on average 10-12ft thick its now its an average of 6
how do you explain why within a few decades most if not all the glaciers around the world will be gone

how do you explain the FACT that in 2004 the EAC becan slowing due to increased fresh water being dumped into the ocean

how do you explain the permafrost melting with will result in there being almost double the amount of CO2 thats in the atmosphere right now

how do you explain the hole in the ozone
the ten hotest years EVER in allll of recorded history were in the last 14 years
the hottest was last yea
its also a fact that the hottest winter EVER in all of Canadas history was last year

Hurricane Katrina was the costliest and one of the deadliest hurricanes in the history of the United States. It was the sixth-strongest Atlantic hurricane ever recorded and the third-strongest landfalling U.S. hurricane ever recorded.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount_classics/aninconvenienttruth/trailer/

RowanVer.3.0
June 19th, 2006, 05:55 PM
That's a bummer.. But, that's the price of having technology. Unless we all become amish there's always something somehow that's going to fuck us over. There's always going to be something in technology that's somehow bad for someone/thing. A good example is cancer. EVERYTHING in the mundaine reality causes cancer. But, we choose to do these things anyway.

If the government makes it easier for me to be good to the environment than bad to it.. Then I will. Otherwise, good bye cruel world :p...

I'm lazy. I'll probably go to hell for it if there is one. Oh well. I definetely won't be alone. The moden human society is based entirely on luxury.

Sad but true.

R_master
June 19th, 2006, 05:58 PM
There is an argument for every article that states global warming is man made, going to destroy the world ect. It could just be a natural phenomenon. dont throw a crappy mainstream documentry by al gore at this discussion. imo opinion its all an environmental scare tactic, believe what you want. but global warming does not scare me in the least. when the world is over then you can laugh at how wrong i was. but i wouldnt care anyways. I just want to see real proof that global warming is actually going to cause real harm and is directly because of pollution. haha if it was true i still would not care :P.

-edit- i took a look at that movie, its all political propaganda. no different than any michael moore films, although they are more enjoyable.


http://www.americanpolicy.org/un/thereisnoglobal.htm

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed012298b.cfm

http://www.junkscience.com/july04/Daily_Mail-Bellamy.htm