Was the World Created in Six Days?

[Katrina]

According to Genesis, God created the universe in six days and rested on the seventh. Many religious followers believe literally that everything from the air we breathe to the water we drink was created in a matter of days. Others scoff at this interpretation, insisting that the universe couldn’t have possibly been created in such a short time span. What really happened “in the beginning”?

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[Obscene Eyedeas]

Everything was created in an instant when the big bang happen

[Magus]

There are many speculation of this.

First, these 6 day couldn't just be the day we experience. May be these days spanned 16x10^9 Solar years each. Or may be even more.

Out of nothing Comes nothing.

So, let say God was there to make the Big Bang and what ever came came after it.

God made everything, and there is hereafter and even after the hereafter i.e infinity, God will kill every single entity other than himself. And again remain the same ever thing. The question is, how many time he did that?

May be he did that in an infinite fashion.

No end and no beginning.

But when I say an Infinite loop and the domino effect. In the domino effect, there must be a starting point, that starting point is the big bang.

[Inconvenience]

it's not true of course. and when reading six days we shouldn't really think abut 6 days, i took billions of years and in 6 days maby 6 billions years are betoken... so that's just a matter of interpretations ;)

well how it happened, god didn't just clap and it all happened by itself.
as far as we know alot of explosions happen of sun surface. so it came that one explosion came out to be stronger then others and from the sun a big mass of magma was thrown which had speed and direction and it moved very fast. it kept on whirling and acquired a round shape. then it started to move around the sun as it had a speed and a direction to move. so this is how earth was created.. believe me, this would take much more then 6 days :D

[Magus]

Also, it is true that Big Bang happened in a flash. But the birth of Suns, stars and galaxies took years of years.

Also, I am living in the Virgo Cluster :D

[BeautifulDisaster]

We'll never know.

[Evermore]

It's a matter of belief. You can speculate and discuss but as beautiful disaster said we will never know for sure. If you believe in god you can say he created it in 6 days you can say it took him billions of years or you could go the creation evolution route and say that he created the big bang and the creatures evolved. You could say there is no god or you could say there is only ala or buddha or whatever religion you want. This subject is always going to make people angry. But it's all a matter of belief.

[2D]

Does it matter?

[Perseus]

It could not have been made in six "Earth days" because, well, the whole Earth being a couple of billion years old thing disproves that.

[BeautifulDisaster]

How does that make sense?
^^

If it can take just one day, actually, less than a day, to destroy a place, why can it not take up to 6 days to create a place?

[Aves]

It could not have been made in six "Earth days" because, well, the whole Earth being a couple of billion years old thing disproves that.

Yes.
How does that make sense?
^^

If it can take just one day, actually, less than a day, to destroy a place, why can it not take up to 6 days to create a place?

God has control over space and time. Why could he not decide that the "day" then was longer than 24 hours. How do we even know if it's not a figure of speech. The word day may just be used like in "Step 1" type of deal.

[Evermore]

Earth being billions of years old is also a belief not something plausible enough to disprove something. Many believe it's only around 7 thousand years old.

[Marcie]

We'll never know.

Not quite true ;) those who go to Heaven could ask and be told exactly how it was created :-)

I personally believe that it was created in six days.

[Perseus]

Earth being billions of years old is also a belief not something plausible enough to disprove something. Many believe it's only around 7 thousand years old.

Well, there's proof that world is older than seven thousand years old. Y'know, the whole fossil thing and the universe is about 13.7 billion years old.

I'm a Christian, a loose one at that, but I don't disbelieve everything science says because, most of the time, it makes more sense than what the Bible says. The Earth taking billions of years to form and going through all its phases in stuff in one earth day doesn't make any sense. God might have his own day for all us Christians know. A day is different everywhere in space, too.

People who believe the world is seven thousands years old make me facepalm.

[Cloud]

Well
ive built a lizard tank and thats taken me a year
so scaling it up im thinking it would take many thousands or millions of years to create the earth and everything on it

[Perseus]

Well
ive built a lizard tank and thats taken me a year
so scaling it up im thinking it would take many thousands or millions of years to create the earth and everything on it

You're not a god, though, Calum. :P

[Cloud]

You're not a god, though, Calum. :P

clearly you dont know me
fine then
subtract a few hundred years or so for the godlyness

[Perseus]

clearly you dont know me
fine then
subtract a few hundred years or so for the godlyness

Oh, excuse me, sir.;)

Now it all makes sense. :D

[Neverender]

Stephen Hawking Came up with the answer of the big bang. In which all the matter in the known universe was squeezed into an unimaginably tiny space. A black hole, if you will. And then it got to the point where temperatures got so hot and it could compress no longer. at this point it exploded. It was a few hundred million degrees for a few seconds, and started expanding. and it still is expanding.

The seven days theory was thought up by a bunch of leading thinkers of their days trying to figure out how everything was made. with no technology, they could only speculate. with no knowledge of what to speculate about, they just said that god made it all and he is responsible for all that happens. with modern science we know this is impossibly true. So those theories have been debunked.

Have a nice day. :)

[Evermore]

Well, there's proof that world is older than seven thousand years old. Y'know, the whole fossil thing and the universe is about 13.7 billion years old.

I'm a Christian, a loose one at that, but I don't disbelieve everything science says because, most of the time, it makes more sense than what the Bible says. The Earth taking billions of years to form and going through all its phases in stuff in one earth day doesn't make any sense. God might have his own day for all us Christians know. A day is different everywhere in space, too.

People who believe the world is seven thousands years old make me facepalm.

Stephen Hawking Came up with the answer of the big bang. In which all the matter in the known universe was squeezed into an unimaginably tiny space. A black hole, if you will. And then it got to the point where temperatures got so hot and it could compress no longer. at this point it exploded. It was a few hundred million degrees for a few seconds, and started expanding. and it still is expanding.

The seven days theory was thought up by a bunch of leading thinkers of their days trying to figure out how everything was made. with no technology, they could only speculate. with no knowledge of what to speculate about, they just said that god made it all and he is responsible for all that happens. with modern science we know this is impossibly true. So those theories have been debunked.

Have a nice day. :)

Remember the scientific method we learned in middle school? Science can't prove anything.

[Perseus]

Remember the scientific method we learned in middle school? Science can't prove anything.

Hurr durr. Did you really just say that? Science can prove that my skin has cells. Why, one may ask? Because there are microscopes that can see them.

[2D]

Hurr durr. Did you really just say that? Science can prove that my skin has cells. Why, one may ask? Because there are microscopes that can see them.

That would actually be yourself proving that. You looking at your own skin cells.

[Perseus]

That would actually be yourself proving that. You looking at your own skin cells.

Then you come into the science of life with the cells. Biology.
People had to hpothesize, etc. a couple of hundred years ago with these cells, which is part of the scientific method.

[Evermore]

Prove that you can see them. Show me proof.

[Neverender]

Remember the scientific method we learned in middle school? Science can't prove anything.

And what would that be? Which field? Chemistry, Physics, Biology?

Because we all know humans arent made of such elements as carbon, calcium, gold, phosphorus, zinc, iron, oxygen..

..and that we're made of fairy dust, instead.

Prove that you can see them. Show me proof.

*Cue Microscope*

http://www.minnpost.com/client_files/alternate_images/676/mp_main_wide_SkinCells.jpg

[Perseus]

Prove that you can see them. Show me proof.

Dude, are you trolling? Because the way you are acting, it gives off that troll vibe.

[Neverender]

Dude, are you trolling? Because the way you are acting, it gives off that troll vibe.

I love a good troll. Especially one that is so horrifyingly wrong its like putting them on a shooting range..

[Evermore]

And what would that be? Which field? Chemistry, Physics, Biology?

Because we all know humans arent made of such elements as carbon, calcium, gold, phosphorus, zinc, iron, oxygen..

..and that we're made of fairy dust, instead.



*Cue Microscope*

http://www.minnpost.com/client_files/alternate_images/676/mp_main_wide_SkinCells.jpg



If that is acceptable proof that skin cells exist than this:
http://blog.bioethics.net/baby.jpg
is my proof that there's a god. Notice how the image in front of you isn't actually god. Same with your skin cell's image. The computer screen image on this forum is not a real skin cell but you can see the skin cell through this.

Or like you said, a microscope. Same with my picture and if you haven't discovered this joy then you're the one missing out not me. All the science in the world can't help you there.

[Neverender]

If that is acceptable proof that skin cells exist than this:
http://blog.bioethics.net/baby.jpg
is my proof that there's a god. Notice how the image in front of you isn't actually god. Same with your skin cell's image. The computer screen image on this forum is not a real skin cell but you can see the skin cell through this.

Or like you said, a microscope. Same with my picture and if you haven't discovered this joy then you're the one missing out not me. All the science in the world can't help you there.

*Sigh*
Now your deflecting.

A baby isnt god. God isnt the warm feelings i get inside me, its actually norepinephrine pulsing between the synapses in my brain. I can experience joy and believe in science as well. Im not sure what joy im missing out on.

All the science in the world can't help you there.

Actually, some nice morphine has just the same effect.



in fact, I had to spend about 10 minutes re-reading your post because it was so hard to follow.

[Evermore]

*Sigh*

Exactly, I guess we will never understand each other. So let us stop flooding there forum with our argument if you wish to discuss it further PM me.

[Neverender]

Exactly, I guess we will never understand each other. So let us stop flooding there forum with our argument if you wish to discuss it further PM me.

I put the sigh there for the line directly below it.

and incidentally we're the only people using this thread..

[Perseus]

I put the sigh there for the line directly below it.

and incidentally we're the only people using this thread..

I'm using this thread too, but I just could not understand that post he made at all. Like, I just could not understand it, so I did nothing with it.

[Evermore]

Melodee can explain it much better then I can.....

[INFERNO]

When one asserts that the world was made in 6 days, there is a problem, and that is that we (or at least I) do not know whether the length of a day when the bible was first made is the same as the modern definition. The reason is, we measure a day in terms of hours or if you want to go wild, minutes, seconds, nanoseconds and so forth. Did that ancient society have any of these units of measurement?

The problem though is when one claims a god or some other higher being made something, they open the door to all supernatural beings to be possible. Unfortunately, one cannot refute the others while showing they are correct (attempts to do so are not met with success). So in the end, we're pretty much saying something made the world, which is pretty useless since we cannot reliably define this something. With the Big Bang Theory, as abstract as it may be, we can define the somethings involved. I'm not saying this is the correct explanation because of this but rather using it as a comparison. However, it comes down to religious faith and so one is not going to be able to reliably prove anything, other than the strength of their religious faith. As much as I like debating, this is an area where I usually just give this answer I'm giving right now then discontinue (unless others say something I find interesting or ask a question).

If that is acceptable proof that skin cells exist than this:
http://blog.bioethics.net/baby.jpg
is my proof that there's a god. Notice how the image in front of you isn't actually god. Same with your skin cell's image. The computer screen image on this forum is not a real skin cell but you can see the skin cell through this.

Or like you said, a microscope. Same with my picture and if you haven't discovered this joy then you're the one missing out not me. All the science in the world can't help you there.

Your proof fails because the logic that was used to prove skin cells exist differ from that you're using. For skin cells, we can see them, it's not about how they evolved but just that they exist. Your logic involves looking at something, then extrapolating that to something very abstract that we cannot see. Read the paragraph before I began quoting you for the argument on using supernatural beings.

Notice how this is nothing like the logic that was used with the image from the microscope. You assert that it is and it clearly is not, so your argument does not apply and is refuted.

[Magus]

And what would that be? Which field? Chemistry, Physics, Biology?

Because we all know humans arent made of such elements as carbon, calcium, gold, phosphorus, zinc, iron, oxygen..

..and that we're made of fairy dust, instead.

Well, the last version of God's book says we are made out of mud.

What are the component of a mud?

All the above with the exception of oxygen. We require oxygen quite later in our development. Yes, even carbon and even Calcium. CaCo3. << In mud.

You will ask me "How human does not require Oxygen" Well, in the beginning of the development we don't require oxygen, also it is not our body compent, it is an alien material. Well, other will come along Oxygen. We need phosphorus for our tooth development, but our teeth is made from CalcuimPhospate << Mineral, inorganic. Mud >> Mineral Inorganic.

Also, let us look at something else.

Something was lost during translation, it could be Mud and not Dust.

Even so, let us not delve deep into evolution, it is talking about the time period of the earth and space creation and what not.

It is expanding. We are expanding, there are thing that takes no mass, no space. It doesn't have any wave-particle duality characteristic, can you tell me what are those?

No, we haven't discovered, that yet. So let us be quiet for a moment there.

Also, Biology is connected to Chemistry and Chemistry is connected to physics and physics connected to Mathematics and Mathematics to Arithmetic.

We couldn't have been just material-less numbers?

Think of a Number 1 Image in front of you. Is that Matter that occupies space? Does it have wave and particle properties. <<<<< What is this??? I am going cuckoo!! SOME ONE HEEELP!!!!

[INFERNO]

You will ask me "How human does not require Oxygen" Well, in the beginning of the development we don't require oxygen, also it is not our body compent, it is an alien material. Well, other will come along Oxygen. We need phosphorus for our tooth development, but our teeth is made from CalcuimPhospate << Mineral, inorganic. Mud >> Mineral Inorganic.

One word: water.


Think of a Number 1 Image in front of you. Is that Matter that occupies space? Does it have wave and particle properties. <<<<< What is this??? I am going cuckoo!! SOME ONE HEEELP!!!!

Imagination I do not believe requires matter although the means to produce it, the brain and its components, do. As for you're question... you're asking us to define something you're using after previously showing you apparently do know what they are... . :confused:

[Magus]

One word: water

Can you tell me on who pointed that out?

And yes, Mud contains water.

[Kahn]

No. I do not believe in this theory. I think it is complete crap.

The reason? Because why would God kill it's first race to roam Earth? Did it get bored? We have evidence of Pre-Historic life. It is proven that there was indeed life on this planet before us. If God had created the world in six days, why did it not mention the life and death of the creatures before us rather only explain the beginning of the Human race? It confuses me that in any historical record of religion, there is no indication of Dinosaurs.

One may say. "Well they didn't know about the Dinosaurs." I will say this. Wouldn't God or the all mighty being, know about the Dinosaurs? Wouldn't he tell his prophets this? Or is that 'classified' in the eyes of God?

[Magus]

One may say. "Well they didn't know about the Dinosaurs." I will say this. Wouldn't God or the all mighty being, know about the Dinosaurs? Wouldn't he tell his prophets this? Or is that 'classified' in the eyes of God?

Was there a mention of Platypus? Was there is a mention of Sharks?

Was there a mention in the connection of the both of the creatures?

[Kahn]

Was there a mention of Platypus? Was there is a mention of Sharks?

Was there a mention in the connection of the both of the creatures?

You are not getting my point. Why would the human race leave out an entire... I don't know what to call it... Race maybe? Before it? There must be some mention of the first creatures GOD had created.

[Evermore]

I think they were created at the same time and a drastic climate change made it impossible for dinosaurs to live.

[Kahn]

I think they were created at the same time and a drastic climate change made it impossible for dinosaurs to live.

Lance.. Science proves that Pre-Historic life became extinct before the human race came into existence.

[Evermore]

Ah... sorry. I think i better steer clear of Ramblings of the wise for a while I am obviously unwise.

[Magus]

You are not getting my point. Why would the human race leave out an entire... I don't know what to call it... Race maybe? Before it? There must be some mention of the first creatures GOD had created.

They are not the first creatures. And they aren't the last creatures either.

Many creatures got instinct, think of Mammoth and Saber-tooth, what has befallen them? They got all right adaptation forms, from fur and fat to withstand cold? Yet they died in the cold age era.

Firstly, Dinosaurs lived in a long time of millions of years. Human were not even there... monkeys were...

AH! So you say why God didn't mention them. It would become a more fairy tale to the people of Old to tell them there were Giant lizards.

God, did a lot of Metaphor in his book, be it Mo, Jey and Moe.

You can't simply tell me that these guys are the authors of the books.

Also, Evolution is another subject man.

I don't believe in creationism, but I trust in validity of the evolution's theory.

How ever it went on the course of history. I believe in the one.

We couldn't be just made out of chance. I never believed in chance.

[BeautifulDisaster]

We'll never know since we're alive, not dead, and those who go to heaven can't exactly send us a letter about it can they?

So no, we will never know.

[Magus]

We'll never know since we're alive, not dead, and those who go to heaven can't exactly send us a letter about it can they?

So no, we will never know.

What heaven?

[BeautifulDisaster]

Responding to the person who responded to me on the first page.

[asking95]

its wat u believe

[Severus Snape]

Ugh. No it wasn't.

Old Testament numerology is what is important here. Seven was considered the fullness of completeness, the combination of four and three; perfection. That is to say that everything god created was perfect and good. (as a side note that is where we get 666 from, it is not perfect and thus imperfect and acts as a foil to everything perfect. the three 6's symbolize a fullness of evil) The world can't have been created in seven days. First of all, what is a day to god? Second of all, night and day were created on the second day, what about the first? Finally, everything god commanded to happen occurred instantaneously. It wouldn't have taken a full day to create anything for god.

It is all allegory.

(I do not subscribe to any of the above beliefs)

edit- I grieve for this thread.

Genesis is not an attempt to answer the how of the universe, but the why. Not how the universe was created but why we are here. This is what fundamentalists get wrong time and time again. There is actually no conflict between science and religion when you read Genesis the way it was supposed to be read.

[INFERNO]

Can you tell me on who pointed that out?

:confused::confused::confused: ... I did. If you're not asking whether I pointed it out then I haven't a clue what you're asking.


And yes, Mud contains water.

True but I pointed it out because you said that "in the beginning we don't require oxygen". Humans are heavily composed of water, the fetus is within a solution containing water and water contains oxygen, so we need oxygen.

I think they were created at the same time and a drastic climate change made it impossible for dinosaurs to live.

Unfortunately, science has shown this to be completely false. You can continue to believe it if you want but if you ever take even a basic high-school course in evolution, nevermind a university course, you'll learn just enough to figure out why this makes no sense at all.

[ltimm]

Monkeys weren't around when dinosaurs were. Besides God isn't real. I'm not sure how the universe was created but it wasn't from God.

[Giles]

Everything was created in an instant when the big bang happen

Actually, it took millions of years for the universe to full form after the big bang. If you believe that theory.

I don't believe a word that the bible says.
Considering;
It was written ages (I can't remember how long after) after Jesus died.
It's been translated into like 30 languages before English so there is no direct translation.
It has been rewritten by the reigning power of the time to suit their needs or wants.

[Cloud]

Actually, it took millions of years for the universe to full form after the big bang. If you believe that theory.

I don't believe a word that the bible says.
Considering;
It was written ages (I can't remember how long after) after Jesus died.
It's been translated into like 30 languages before English so there is no direct translation.
It has been rewritten by the reigning power of the time to suit their needs or wants.
the tiny miniscule whatever magigs were formed
it just took millions of years for them to form the things that make up the universe, like the elements and such
thats what i think anyway

[2D]

Old Testament numerology is what is important here. Seven was considered the fullness of completeness, the combination of four and three; perfection. That is to say that everything god created was perfect and good. (as a side note that is where we get 666 from, it is not perfect and thus imperfect and acts as a foil to everything perfect. the three 6's symbolize a fullness of evil) The world can't have been created in seven days. First of all, what is a day to god? Second of all, night and day were created on the second day, what about the first? Finally, everything god commanded to happen occurred instantaneously. It wouldn't have taken a full day to create anything for god.

It is all allegory.

(I do not subscribe to any of the above beliefs)

edit- I grieve for this thread.

Genesis is not an attempt to answer the how of the universe, but the why. Not how the universe was created but why we are here. This is what fundamentalists get wrong time and time again. There is actually no conflict between science and religion when you read Genesis the way it was supposed to be read.

This, you fools. Stop reading the Bible in a literal sense and you may be surprised at some things.

Also, it's funny how the guy that is fundamentally opposed to religion is the one that knows the most about it. :rolleyes:

[Neverender]

Many creatures got instinct, think of Mammoth and Saber-tooth, what has befallen them? They got all right adaptation forms, from fur and fat to withstand cold? Yet they died in the cold age era.

No, anyone with a basic knowledge of evolution is that after the earth warmed, the mammoths and sabretooths were in competetion with wolves. Wolves hunt in packs. Wolves won.

Firstly, Dinosaurs lived in a long time of millions of years. Human were not even there... monkeys were...

Monkeys were not. The largest mammals were no larger with a mouse. Why? Dinosaurs were the ultimate predators at the time. Until a meteorite came crashing down to earth, caused the collapse of an ecosystem and allowed mammals to take place. through 65 million years of evolution, we were evolved and now were having this conversation.

AH! So you say why God didn't mention them. It would become a more fairy tale to the people of Old to tell them there were Giant lizards.

God, did a lot of Metaphor in his book, be it Mo, Jey and Moe.

You can't simply tell me that these guys are the authors of the books.

See above.

Ah... sorry. I think i better steer clear of Ramblings of the wise for a while I am obviously unwise.

Indeed.

[Severus Snape]

Also, it's funny how the guy that is fundamentally opposed to religion is the one that knows the most about it. :rolleyes:

Know your enemies.

[INFERNO]

the tiny miniscule whatever magigs were formed
it just took millions of years for them to form the things that make up the universe, like the elements and such
thats what i think anyway

Unfortunately, when you're stating a scientific theory, when your view is opposed to it, then either it's because you don't understand it or because you have an argument against it. I'm not sure if the "thats what i think anyway" is a scientific argument against it or not understanding it but I'm going with the latter. If you have a scientific or even a philosophical argument against it, then I'm very interested.

[Magus]

No, anyone with a basic knowledge of evolution is that after the earth warmed, the mammoths and sabretooths were in competetion with wolves. Wolves hunt in packs. Wolves won.

Wolves hunting Saber tooth and mammoth.



Monkeys were not. The largest mammals were no larger with a mouse. Why? Dinosaurs were the ultimate predators at the time. Until a meteorite came crashing down to earth, caused the collapse of an ecosystem and allowed mammals to take place. through 65 million years of evolution, we were evolved and now were having this conversation.


Strange Indeed, dinousers died because of a change in the ecosystem.
I thought they are cold blooded. Where as mammals hot blooded.

Clearly, your contradictions are just signs of your atheism and obviously you don't believe in God.

Strange you know, yes Mouse is one of the first mammals to set foot on earth. Thing is, all mammals evolved from that single mouse?

Whales? Lions? Obviously we are in the same phylum. But it would take even longer for them to evolve from just mouses.

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TO take it more easily, you reject the Idea of God and you disbelieve in any Myth Creation. Cause they are far fetched and what not.

So, obviously it is an attempt to contradict every written words by those who are not in agreement.

I am an Evolutionist. I trust in a fact, that's Evolution and not Creationism.

God is a different matter.

Again.

"Ex Nihilio Nihil Fit"

[ltimm]

They weren't the mice that you see today but instead an ancestor that gave rise to all mammals in some why. Hense migration climate change natural selection and genetic variation

[Magus]

They weren't the mice that you see today but instead an ancestor that gave rise to all mammals in some why. Hense migration climate change natural selection and genetic variation

Jeez! Please google some articles.

The fluctuation in the gas; the rise in the temperature; the changing in habitat. All of that contributed in those things.

I wonder why people fret on the temperature rise?
The earth once got hotter than what it is today.

Amazingly, I love on how Zebra developed a natural camouflaging system, they were able to change fur color into black and white stripes. Amazing.

Just look at the stick mantis. Nice, wish I could do that.

Look at the poor dinosaur, what in earth befallen them :eek:

Dinosaur of today. (http://k53.pbase.com/g5/39/102739/2/68101100.CS8oTEHi.jpg)

And see the mocked mice of the old.

Mouse of today. (http://bilia.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/elephant-21.jpg)

Sorry, I am being sarcastic for a moment :D

[overcome.]

Without disrespecting peoples views and before anybody thinks about negging me, this is a debatable topic. Everybody has their own right to write what they want to write without fear of being 'judged' or anything along those lines - the internet is all about free speech. Here's my two cents.

Was the world created in six days? Personally, no, I don't think so. If you'd like to refer to a ficional book named the bible, then it may tell you otherwise. I don't believe in Christianity. Who knows, it's a hugely interesting topic of how the world was created, of course, something had to have happened. But no, I don't think it was created in six days.

God? He must be quite the property tycoonist, after all, he apparently has 'homes' all over the world. The big man upstairs, the man in the sky? The bible tells many stories, but whoever wrote it or contributed to it was probably having a laugh at the time. I personally don't believe in all of that. However, I'm showing no disrespect to anybody who does. I would say that religion is the retarded step child of philosophy, but I actually don't think that. I have beliefs in terms of Buddhism. I don't believe there is a 'god'.

[simplesuccess]

Stephen Hawking Came up with the answer of the big bang. In which all the matter in the known universe was squeezed into an unimaginably tiny space. A black hole, if you will. And then it got to the point where temperatures got so hot and it could compress no longer. at this point it exploded. It was a few hundred million degrees for a few seconds, and started expanding. and it still is expanding.

The seven days theory was thought up by a bunch of leading thinkers of their days trying to figure out how everything was made. with no technology, they could only speculate. with no knowledge of what to speculate about, they just said that god made it all and he is responsible for all that happens. with modern science we know this is impossibly true. So those theories have been debunked.

Have a nice day. :)


Well, by that, we could possibly advance even further in our sciences and a different answer of complete opposites could be discovered? It's interesting to see how well you can use google and spit back what stephen hawking said in such a terrible manner, but do you really know anything? The big bang theory isn't solidified, I hope you realize that? It's exactly what it says it is.. a theory. Just like everything else we've brought to the table so far. Humans, really know nothing at all. It's easy to say we do, but when we face the fact that we don't, life becomes a lot more real.. think about it.

[Dive to Survive]

I do think that it was created in a 6 day timespan. It's what I believe and to those that scoff at it, it's possible to have been created then, God can do all things. :)

[Magus]

I do think that it was created in a 6 day timespan. It's what I believe and to those that scoff at it, it's possible to have been created then, God can do all things. :)

Unfortunately, the stone I "carbon dated" says the other way.

[Dive to Survive]

Unfortunately, I think "carbon dating" is ridiculous. Faulty. :)

[Magus]

Unfortunately, I think "carbon dating" is ridiculous. Faulty. :)

So, God created in 6 days span and on the 7th he got tired huh?

http://imagecache5.art.com/p/LRG/8/860/EVFJ000Z/map-of-universe--%C2%A9spaceshots.jpg

WOw! Amazing, Yahweh is truly a powerful God but gets tired.

I think the interpretation of 6 days is "faulty".

[Ryhanna]

I'm not sure I believe either theories.
See, what happened before the big bang? If there was nothing then what caused it?
Science can't prove everything and neither can religion. I think the answer here might lie in philosophy, actually...

[Nelson]

Seriously, No offence the world could not be created in 6 days..

[Shadoukun]

Short answer: No.

Long answer: No, it wasn't.

[Disco Jones]

What's with all this "six day" jazz, I believe the number is seven. No need to cut off the sabbath, it's as important as any of the other days.

Nothing happened before the big bang because there is no "before". Time was created in the big bang. That said our understanding of these kinds of things changes all the time, but it's still based on scientific observation and reason and can't just be washed away with "well humans don't know everything."

[INFERNO]

Unfortunately, I think "carbon dating" is ridiculous. Faulty. :)

Why is it ridiculous or faulty? You cant simply give a statement that's a conclusion without the argument, otherwise it's dissmissable as a random statement with no evidence to support its content.


See, what happened before the big bang? If there was nothing then what caused it?

Presumably the Big Crush, where there was a previous universe that caved in on itself because the gravitational force eventually grew strong enough to collapse it. What started the first big bang I suppose was the singularity with an enormous amount of matter condensed into such a small area that eventually became too unstable to hold together and blew apart. What caused the matter to get there in the first place, that's a good question. If the universe is postulated to be a closed system, then the first law of thermodynamics can be applied.

Alternatively, there's the newer theories, such as String Theory and M-theory regarding theoretical particle physics and how there are multiple dimensions or universes (about 13 I think). I don't know much of it though.


Science can't prove everything and neither can religion. I think the answer here might lie in philosophy, actually...

True, science cannot technically prove anything so it's redundant to mention it. I agree that philosophy would play a large part but there are experiments being conducted (or have been) to re-create the environment when the universe began so as to test the big bang theory. I'm not a huge fan of the big bang theory and big crush theory because although they're interdependent upon one another, they don't actually answer the question of how the universe began because the first big bang had to originate somehow and if the universe isn't a closed system, then the first law of thermodynamics may not apply.

For now though, I do believe philosophy can form some answers that science can hopefully in the future test.

[Magus]

What's with all this "six day" jazz, I believe the number is seven. No need to cut off the sabbath, it's as important as any of the other days.

Nothing happened before the big bang because there is no "before". Time was created in the big bang. That said our understanding of these kinds of things changes all the time, but it's still based on scientific observation and reason and can't just be washed away with "well humans don't know everything."

Defination of time varies as well.

Because there is no time. What we call time is time periods of rotation of earth and revolution around the sun and what not. This is a measurable time we count for use on our daily life.

That's the time we know.

The question is "Was the World Created in Six Days?" and here goes variations.

Perhaps these days aren't just the same period of six rotation around the earth the axis.

It differs by people and what they think of it.

Day and Night, perhaps it talks about light particle and the Dark Substance. And not the day and night we see.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/images/articles/nab/regular-days.jpg
http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/images/articles/nab/not-regular-days.jpg

[Disco Jones]

You really can't go back to the very beginning without having to accept that some stuff was just there.

Oh, there is time. You're talking about how we measure it with the rotation talk.

[Magus]

You really can't go back to the very beginning without having to accept that some stuff was just there.

Oh, there is time. You're talking about how we measure it with the rotation talk.

That's a visible and measurable time. But this time line is quite minute. For taking it into every thing.

[Disco Jones]

Time ain't no line, it is a dimension of spacetime which is a thing that exists. Thinking of time as a constant linear progression of events serves us well in Earth-related affairs, not so much when thinking about creation.

[Magus]

Time ain't no line, it is a dimension of spacetime which is a thing that exists.

And Dimension is not a measure? The Coordinates (x, y, z) are not measurable?
The dimensions [L][M][T] are not measurable and visible; huh, truly strange?


Thinking of time as a constant linear progression of events serves us well in Earth-related affairs, not so much when thinking about creation.


Then that's what I am saying man.

Enjoy mate.

[Brighter.Tomorrow]

I believe in the big bang, science can't even find Eden, why should we believe in the rest? (I'm gonna get bashed for this. lol)

[Scarface]

its a very possible analogy, but there is also the belief that planet earth was created by a meteor that collided with a moon or some sort and also with Pangaea theory which is where all the counties were combined and over millions of years were separated could have caused many of the features of what everything is. that is my perception

[Perseus]

its a very possible analogy, but there is also the belief that planet earth was created by a meteor that collided with a moon or some sort and also with Pangaea theory which is where all the counties were combined and over millions of years were separated could have caused many of the features of what everything is. that is my perception

All right, here's a science lesson for ya.

A couple of billions year ago a star supernovaed and in that debris, our sun and plaents started to form. Now, it is believed that were more planets in our solar system at the time, but they collided with each other and such. All of a sudden, some Mars sized planet spazes out and knocks into our giant old Earth, thus creating the modern day Earth and Moon. Some stuff I left out, of course, because I don't know everything, lol. And meteors hit the Earth and stuff forming everything and all that jazz.

And, plate techtonics for Pangea.

[Dive to Survive]

So, God created in 6 days span and on the 7th he got tired huh?

http://imagecache5.art.com/p/LRG/8/860/EVFJ000Z/map-of-universe--%C2%A9spaceshots.jpg

WOw! Amazing, Yahweh is truly a powerful God but gets tired.

I think the interpretation of 6 days is "faulty".

He didnt get "tired", He rested. By the way, how can someone come up with a map of the universe?

[Sage]

He didnt get "tired", He rested.[/quoted]
lolololol

[QUOTE=Kaname;816250]By the way, how can someone come up with a map of the universe?
You're thirteen. Try spending less time on the internet and more time doing your science homework. Or, if you insist on the former, go do some research outside of the Bible. You can learn things that are actually useful!

[Dive to Survive]

[QUOTE=Kaname;816250]He didnt get "tired", He rested.[/quoted]
lolololol


You're thirteen. Try spending less time on the internet and more time doing your science homework. Or, if you insist on the former, go do some research outside of the Bible. You can learn things that are actually useful!

13? I didnt know that, thanks for the update! Im not on the internet that much. Certainly not as much as you because you comment on everything I say. To me, reading the Bible is useful!

[Perseus]

He didnt get "tired", He rested. By the way, how can someone come up with a map of the universe?

I rest when I get tired. :P

There are telescopes(i.e. the Hubble Space Telescope) that can take pictures of galaxies and the such and people paste it together, it's not super accurate, but it's better than nothing.

[Sage]

To me, reading the Bible is useful!

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Or you could try opening your mind up to new ideas.

[Dive to Survive]

Ok, thanks, I was just curious :)

[INFERNO]

He didnt get "tired", He rested.

You're playing a pointless game of semantics. If someone rests, then that implies they're tired (or bored but usually tired). You don't rest if you're full of energy. How tired he was in order to rest is debatable but I have no clue on the degree of his fatigue, however, since you admit he was resting on that day, you accept the definition of the word, "rested" or "resting", which traditionally involves fatigue. Same meaning, different word, hence, pointless argument.


By the way, how can someone come up with a map of the universe?

Telescopes or launching space probes with highly-sophisticated telescopes and relay signals with some time delay back to the Earth-bound station. It's not a complete map of the universe because we cannot see in detail all parts of it but it does contain many galaxies other than our own.

[quartermaster]

II Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


There really is nothing in the Bible that contradicts the Big Bang Theory, all that needs to be added is a little context; even if one were to read the Bible as literal, there is still no contradiction in that regard. The Bible never explicitly states how creation occurred or by what means creation was facilitated; I draw an issue with the Evangelical view, as they will reject science because they see it as an opponent to their faith and fail to comprehend how it could be a tremendous supplement. The idea of there being creator, who facilitated a Big Bang and evolution is completely within Biblical scope, and what's more, does not contradict it, either (even in a literal interpretation).

[Magus]

He didnt get "tired", He rested.

Why he needs rest if he is omnipotent?

In the ver.3.74641 epitaph, book of Yahweh; a.k.a Bible says

By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done. Gen 2:2-3 (NIV)


But, in the ver.4.02587 epitaph, book of Yahweh; a.k.a Qur'an says

"See they not that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth, and never wearied with their creation, is able to give life to the dead? Yea, verily He has power over all things." 46:33

"Were We then weary with the first Creation, that they should be in confused doubt about a new Creation?" 50:15

""We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in Six Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us." 50:38

~Translation by Yusufali

By the way, how can someone come up with a map of the universe?


The term "Visible Spectrum" Sums it all.

[Peace God]

Well i don't believe the bible but then again i wasn't there 4.5 billion yrs ago so, idk.

[Ryhanna]

Even if the story in the bible is true, it still wasn't created literally in 6 days.
The stories in the Bible are mythical, supposedly real stories, made into ficticious events, if that makes sense.
Uhg, Im sorry, I don't know how to describe what I'm trying to say lol it's very difficult...

[Hatsune Miku]

God can do all things. :)

Who's he?

[Magus]

Who's he?

Spans between different religions.

Yahweh, Father (of)Jesus, Allah, Ahura Mazda; Apollo and Bacchus(among other Roman/Greek Gods); Lucifer and Iblees(among other Satanic Gods); Shiva and Krishna(Among other deity in Hinduism) and etc.

But in General.

"He" is what we refer to that one single entity. That we claim as the sustainer, the omnipotent and the omniscient etc. The one who began this existence as what the theistic agnostic claim.

On the contrary; Atheist and Agnostic do not adhere theistic claims of diety and what not(Skeptic). They are not a religion or set of belief. And follow the path of the open logic than rather blind faith.

And as a friend here said to me that science is just favorable path for Skeptics, you know "Science is nothing but a perception"

[Jess]

No it was not created in 6 days. I do not believe in that stuff...

[Rutherford The Brave]

Lets see, Evolution has (Us, Animals and organisms) Creationism (a book) wow, I wonder what makes more sense?

[Dive to Survive]

I think God made the Earth in the 6 days. but then after he rested (got tired, whatever you prefer :) ) he made the rest of the universe. Like the planets and stuff like that.

[Rutherford The Brave]

I think God made the Earth in the 6 days. but then after he rested (got tired, whatever you prefer :) ) he made the rest of the universe. Like the planets and stuff like that.

So he made just one universe. What about the rest of them? Did he just get lazy or did they randomly pop up for some realistic reason? Oh my it seems that they have been here long before the idea of God even existed, Wow. What a plot twist....

[Sage]

I think God made the Earth in the 6 days. but then after he rested (got tired, whatever you prefer :) ) he made the rest of the universe. Like the planets and stuff like that.

It doesn't doesn't say anything like that in the bible. That's a cop-out. Now you're making things up to fill in a hole in your beliefs as opposed to actually questioning your beliefs.

This is why people call you a bible-thumper. You refuse to consider anything else.

[Dive to Survive]

Notice how I said "I think...".I do consider other things. That's why I'm open to hear about what other people think. If I "refused" to consider anything else why would I be on a debate forum? I'm here to explain what I think an then listen to what others think about the subject.

[quartermaster]

It doesn't doesn't say anything like that in the bible. That's a cop-out. Now you're making things up to fill in a hole in your beliefs as opposed to actually questioning your beliefs.

This is why people call you a bible-thumper. You refuse to consider anything else.

I would argue it's much less him "filling a hole" in his beliefs, as it is him not even understanding his own belief, vis-à-vis the Bible. He is hardly a "Bible thumper," soundly because he has a limited understanding of the Bible beyond what he was taught in Sunday School. Even then, his made up belief is unnecessary as all Genesis 1:1 says is:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Again, there is no need to "supplement" because there is no contradiction between the existence of the universe and the Bible; as such, I believe this is much less of him filling a "hole" in beliefs as it is filling a "hole" in his knowledge.

With that said, I would agree he should question his beliefs, because as it stands, even from a Christian standpoint, his beliefs are unnecessarily revisionist. Putting things in the Bible that quite simply are not there, but then again, a majority of the Christian church does that...No he didn't!

[INFERNO]

Notice how I said "I think...".I do consider other things. That's why I'm open to hear about what other people think. If I "refused" to consider anything else why would I be on a debate forum? I'm here to explain what I think an then listen to what others think about the subject.

There's nothing wrong with stating your beliefs, however, it does become difficult to understand them when you claim to adhere to one main line of thinking but then you diverge from it and onto something you have conjured up. I'm fine with that but can you explain your line of thinking, including the part where you diverged? I'm not sure if this is due to a misunderstanding of your own beliefs or if you have an actual reason and argument.

Saying "I think" or "I know" or whatever else really carries the same weight here because the topic of debate requires extrapolation to understand something that no line of thinking can directly explain. Hence, it's redundant for you to emphasize the fact that you believe or think whatever you state for this debate. It's all subjective, there is nothing objective and concrete. For example, those who oppose you don't have objective, factual information, they simply have their own beliefs and arguments.

[Sage]

Notice how I said "I think...".I do consider other things. That's why I'm open to hear about what other people think. If I "refused" to consider anything else why would I be on a debate forum? I'm here to explain what I think an then listen to what others think about the subject.

Yes, and what you think has nothing to back it up. People have refuted that claim that it's possible for the world to have been created in six days, and rather than reevaluating your position, you make something up that wasn't in the Bible to justify a biblical belief.

Thus, you're thumping the bible.

[Perseus]

I think God made the Earth in the 6 days. but then after he rested (got tired, whatever you prefer :) ) he made the rest of the universe. Like the planets and stuff like that.

That actually makes no sense. Why would He make Earth and then the sun, etc?

And Tim, how come you never called me a Bible Thumper? :P

[Dive to Survive]

He made Earth then the land then the light etc.

[Rutherford The Brave]

He made Earth then the land then the light etc.

If I wanted to know whats in the bible, I'd read it myself.

[Dive to Survive]

Thats ok but I was answering jake's question :)

[Sage]

And Tim, how come you never called me a Bible Thumper? :P
You don't thump your bible.

He made Earth then the land then the light etc.
Pretty sure he said "Let there be light" first.

[INFERNO]

He made Earth then the land then the light etc.

Close but not quite. If you read the first part of Genesis, you'll see it says God made the heavens and earth but the earth had no shape. He then made the light, which he divided into light and day (good and evil). He then separated the waters on Earth, then finally he made the actual land. He then put on vegetation and so forth.

You can read it along with more HERE (http://www.bibleontheweb.com/Bible.asp)

During all of this or even before it, god made time because in order to say x amount of days passed, that's a reference to time and thus you need time to be there in the first place.

Each version of the bible has slight differences in the details but the order is pretty much the same, so I'm not sure what version you're using. The link I gave you can choose different versions to see for yourself.

[Ryhanna]

It doesn't doesn't say anything like that in the bible. That's a cop-out. Now you're making things up to fill in a hole in your beliefs as opposed to actually questioning your beliefs.

This is why people call you a bible-thumper. You refuse to consider anything else.

That's not fair. Lot's of people create their own beliefs or alter their beliefs because it makes more sense to them. It just so happens that this kid believes the bible to an extent. So? is that wrong? I don't think it is.

[Sage]

That's not fair.
Since when am I fair?

Lot's of people create their own beliefs or alter their beliefs because it makes more sense to them.
Beliefs can be altered. But when you take an already absurd, unprovable claim and make it more absurd and unprovable, guess what it is? Absurd and unprovable.

It just so happens that this kid believes the bible to an extent.
If ever there was a good case for the illegitimacy of the Christian Bible, it's people who make things up to justify and explain the stories told in it. A made up story added to make sense of another made up story.

So? is that wrong?
Wrong, no, stupid, yes.

[Mattasaur94]

As many other people have said, it is a matter of your religion, seeing as you addressed the Bible, then going with Christianity, the "7 days" thing is just a matter of interpretation.
We will honestly never know if there is a God, and the meaning of life until the end. Will there be an end?
The seven days was used as a simile, a metaphor, in which to make it relevent to our lives, it shows that 'God' laboured for 6 days, then on the seventh day he rested, this shows that the seventh day should be kept sacred, it should be the day of rest.
There IS dispute on which day this is...
According to our calendar, saturday is the last day of the week, so, technically, saturday should be held as the sabbeth day. :O

In John Milton's Poem/epic tale, Paradise Lost, Lucifer says that, "..I must be greater than God, for what took him Seven days to create, I have destroyed in One..."
Or something along those lines, the book is just that bit too far out of my reach without having to get up. (:
This could be used as yet another hidden meaning, that, did he truely destroy it in one mortal day? Or did he cause an event which is still destroying us?
Thus taking it back to God/other omnipotent being's "time periods" who is to say that they have the same perception as time to us?
The bible also says that the "Devil" will be locked inside of hell for 1'000 years, is this the same measurement of time used as the time in Genesis? Who knows.
The bible says that God always was and always will be, everything has happened to him in a twinkling of an eye. God is called 'Omnipotent and Omnipresent.' God, therefor, is outside of the limitations of time, for he is all-powerful and all-present.
*nods*
Thats my explanation of your question. It will only stir up more questions, but we'll never know.
It honestly is a matter of faith, opinion and belief.
It shouldn't be what other people tell you, but what YOU believe.

And that's my 5 cents. *nod*

[Dive to Survive]

You don't thump your bible.


Pretty sure he said "Let there be light" first.

I wasnt being chronological (as you can tell). I was just broadly explaining what He did at first.

[2D]

That actually makes no sense. Why would He make Earth and then the sun, etc?

He made Earth then the land then the light etc.

Thats ok but I was answering jake's question :)

That answered nothing.

He asked why.

[Magus]

Isn't it be light and then darkness?

Not the best source but basic information.

Light (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light) and Dark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter)

[Mattasaur94]

Isn't it be light and then darkness?

Not the best source but basic information.

Light (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light) and Dark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter)


Everything is made in opposites, that's why their researching matter and anti-matter. *nods* If you think about it, everything has an equal and an opposite, light and the dark, the bible says that god made everything equal and balanced. *shrug*

[starbrite5]

This was something I was thinking about the other day, actually. Basically, I believe that God is just outside of all Earthly constraints we could apply, in this circumstance, time. Perhaps a 'day' as described in Genesis is actually years, but the passing of time is only a blip on God's radar, like a single day. That's just my two cents...

[INFERNO]

That's not fair. Lot's of people create their own beliefs or alter their beliefs because it makes more sense to them. It just so happens that this kid believes the bible to an extent. So? is that wrong? I don't think it is.

You have a point, he certainly can make up whatever he wants in order to make his beliefs flow more smoothly to him. I have no problem with that and I'd be amazed if anyone does. However, the problem arises with the fact that this is a debate and when he provides his added in views, since they're not even documented in a text (assume the bible has validity and reliability), it carries as much weight as a randomly thought up idea. In other words, it requires absolute blind faith to accept and in a debate, that's problematic because when it is going to be challenged or even supported, there's no way to do so without creating a plethora of other statements that require absolute blind faith. It's fine to use those in one's belief but in a debate, they don't hold up.

I wasnt being chronological (as you can tell). I was just broadly explaining what He did at first.

I don't know if this is an excuse with you trying to back-peddle your way out of the mess you made or if it actually was your intention. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say it was your intention. However, when you are listing something in what seems to be a chronological order, could you please put it in the correct order? Otherwise there ends up with massive confusion and derailment from the purpose of the discussion.

[ltimm]

The Earth was created shortly after the Sun came into existance. Dust clouds that surrounded the sun became more dense due to gravitational forces and eventually built up and built up until you have a giant mound of rock the same of earth. Or a gas giant for that matter.

[Dive to Survive]

I don't know if this is an excuse with you trying to back-peddle your way out of the mess you made or if it actually was your intention. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say it was your intention. However, when you are listing something in what seems to be a chronological order, could you please put it in the correct order? Otherwise there ends up with massive confusion and derailment from the purpose of the discussion.

Ill do my best ;)

[miranda_cutie15]

big bang created earth, earth created man, man created god.
Therefore, god could not have created earth.

[Ryhanna]

Since when am I fair?


Beliefs can be altered. But when you take an already absurd, unprovable claim and make it more absurd and unprovable, guess what it is? Absurd and unprovable.


If ever there was a good case for the illegitimacy of the Christian Bible, it's people who make things up to justify and explain the stories told in it. A made up story added to make sense of another made up story.


Wrong, no, stupid, yes.

Oh, I see, you're of those "If-I-don't-believe-it-then-your-unbelievably-stupid-to-believe-it" people. Try and altar that belief.
It's his beleif so leave it alone.

[Sage]

Oh, I see, you're of those "If-I-don't-believe-it-then-your-unbelievably-stupid-to-believe-it" people.
Obviously. Why would I knowingly believe anything stupid?

Try and altar that belief.
I'm not here to persuade anyone.

It's his beleif so leave it alone.
And it's stupid and people enjoy seeing me point that out.

[Magus]

Everything is made in opposites, that's why their researching matter and anti-matter. *nods* If you think about it, everything has an equal and an opposite, light and the dark, the bible says that god made everything equal and balanced. *shrug*

Hmm.... When you say "the bible says that god made" and what not. It won't hurt you to provide the verses, would it?

It is true, it is balanced. If there is only darkness, no balance; there is only light, no balance; if there is only good or evil, there is no balance as well.

Everything is in right proportion. If Earth was a bit further away or near to sun, just by a little bit, than there is no "You" and "Me. Earth is balanced or not?

The Equal and the opposite makes the balance. If there is only opposite 1(thing) Will there be a balance?

[Ryhanna]

Obviously. Why would I knowingly believe anything stupid?


I'm not here to persuade anyone.


And it's stupid and people enjoy seeing me point that out.

1. Because you ARE stupid if you're going to try and have a go at someone because of his beliefs.

2. Well, then stop having a go at people over their beleifs. They aren't coming here for you to tell them whats right and what's wrong.

3. No, you THINK people enjoy it. People that enjoy it are arrogant jerks.

[Sage]

1. Because you ARE stupid if you're going to try and have a go at someone because of his beliefs.
Would I be stupid if I 'have a go' at someone who tries to claim the earth is flat? Because I find that almost as stupid as the belief that the earth was created in six days. Simply because a lot more people belief the earth was created in 6 days rather than people who belief the earth is flat, doesn't mean the idea in and of itself is any less stupid.

2. Well, then stop having a go at people over their beleifs.
That's sort of the point of ROTW.

They aren't coming here for you to tell them whats right and what's wrong.
Rule of thumb for the internet: You put your ass out there, you're gonna get spanked.

3. No, you THINK people enjoy it. People that enjoy it are arrogant jerks.
I guess a lot of people here are arrogant jerks then, given that 90% of my large reputation comes from people delighted by posts just like this one in ROTW, wherein I point out how foolish beliefs such as Kaname's are.

Besides. I believe that not all beliefs deserve respect. Are you not being inherently hypocritical in 'having a go' at my belief?

[INFERNO]

Hmm.... When you say "the bible says that god made" and what not. It won't hurt you to provide the verses, would it?

It'd have various logical fallacies, such as circular reasoning anyways.

1. Because you ARE stupid if you're going to try and have a go at someone because of his beliefs.

2. Well, then stop having a go at people over their beleifs. They aren't coming here for you to tell them whats right and what's wrong.

3. No, you THINK people enjoy it. People that enjoy it are arrogant jerks.

This seems rather hypocritical because you're calling Deschain stupid for attacking someone's beliefs yet you're attacking Deschain's beliefs. You tell him to stop attacking people's beliefs yet you're attacking his beliefs. It's akin to the situation where a mother slaps or spanks her child while saying "don't hit people".

[Ryhanna]

Im not attacking his beliefs. Unless his beliefs are "to attack other's beliefs"
In which case, Im sort of supporting his beliefs. :P
If Im wrong about that, please tell me.

[Magus]

It'd have various logical fallacies, such as circular reasoning anyways.

Begging the question... hmmmm..... *Goes researching(googling)*

But referencing is a good thing. Deadpie(Deschain?) proved himself in the thread of "Religion" by using verses as a reference.

[INFERNO]

Im not attacking his beliefs. Unless his beliefs are "to attack other's beliefs"
In which case, Im sort of supporting his beliefs. :P
If Im wrong about that, please tell me.

Allow me to explain then. I'm tired and it's late so X = Christianity/the belief in question. If he doesn't support X and is clearly against it, his belief is the disbelief in it and that X is stupid. He in fact stated this clearly and one of your points you made was that it's stupid for him to attack someone because of their belief, when he is against that belief. That is his belief. You then attack him for expressing his belief while saying what he was doing was stupid, which in effect implies what you were doing was stupid also. Your second of the three points was similar to the first, only you're saying for him not to express his belief, which implies you shouldn't go against his.

The third point you made is irrelevant to this discussion.

[Ryhanna]

Alrighty then, well I didn't really think about it that way. Nor do I have the time or energy to actually care about it. lol
sorry if that sounded rude, Im just frustrated, tired...

[Dive to Survive]

Rule of thumb for the internet: You put your ass out there, you're gonna get spanked.

I like that idea, I'm ok with that :)

I guess a lot of people here are arrogant jerks then, given that 90% of my large reputation comes from people delighted by posts just like this one in ROTW, wherein I point out how foolish beliefs such as Kaname's are.

You're too kind ;)

[Sage]

You're too kind ;)
Using sarcasm on someone like me is only fighting fire with fire, kiddo.

[Dive to Survive]

That way neither of us wins. I can accept that

[Magus]

Using sarcasm on someone like me is only fighting fire with fire, kiddo.

I will summon demons and let them swallow the fiah.
==========

Hmmm..... What if Demons are the one who made our life possible?

[Ryhanna]

What if everything we think science has proven is nothing but a coincidence. Gravity - pretty obvious. Evolution - Don't believe it. Dont believe the bible, either. I have no idea.

[INFERNO]

What if everything we think science has proven is nothing but a coincidence. Gravity - pretty obvious. Evolution - Don't believe it. Dont believe the bible, either. I have no idea.

The chances of every single thing being a coincidence is astronomically low, so low it might as well be said to be impossible or wrong. Also, since science uses statistical analysis to help show the results may have not been due to chance, it's even more unlikely.

[Magus]

Evolution is not practically proven, thus it is not a theory but a hypothesis(as said by my biology Sir)

Chemical Evolution is proven and it is a theory, just by using Urey-Miller's Experiment, we can easily make proteins and amino acids.

Alanine is not hard to prepare now. Almost every living organism compose of protein.

Viruses and Viroids are not living organisms, as no molecular movement is observed. Still, even they have capsomers which are made from proteins.(Note: Capsomers are absent in most of the viroids)

[Jean Poutine]

the world was created in the timespan it took to create it.

such questions are only a burden to your intellect. they are fundamentally useless. who cares?

[Perseus]

What if everything we think science has proven is nothing but a coincidence. Gravity - pretty obvious. Evolution - Don't believe it. Dont believe the bible, either. I have no idea.

Lol, how do you think life got on Earth? You believe in the most confusing thing I've ever seen, lol.

[Magus]

Lol, how do you think life got on Earth? You believe in the most confusing thing I've ever seen, lol.

Actually, we are from another planet. But our ancient father were actually condemned to earth. They couldn't bear the earth's atmosphere. Somehow, they survived a bit. And as Men, the fed their lust by doing with the early earthly female.

Their breed had multiple mutation and including them is the fast growing of logical reasoning capabilities of their primal brains. Thus, augmenting the intelligence, and the self awareness in a rapid succession.

And here we are! The sons of the year of 12040 HE.D

[Perseus]

Actually, we are from another planet. But our ancient father were actually condemned to earth. They couldn't bear the earth's atmosphere. Somehow, they survived a bit. And as Men, the fed their lust by doing with the early earthly female.

Their breed had multiple mutation and including them is the fast growing of logical reasoning capabilities of their primal brains. Thus, augmenting the intelligence, and the self awareness in a rapid succession.

And here we are! The sons of the year of 12040 HE.D

Even if he believed life came from another planet, he still would have to believe in evolution. Hell, if he believed in the whole Nibiru thing, he still would have to believe in evolution. So, your little creative post doesn't mean much. :P

[INFERNO]

Evolution is not practically proven, thus it is not a theory but a hypothesis(as said by my biology Sir)

This makes no sense because scientific theories must be falsifiable, hence, it's redundant to say a scientific theory is not proven. Nothing in science is "proven" if it is to be a scientific theory. Due to the improving technology, there is immense molecular genetic evidence for many of the evolutionary theories, such as limb development. Previously, it would have been more sensible to say it's a hypothesis but now with the evidence to help explain it, to document changes across organisms and time, to show how it changes and what causes the changes and so forth, that is what constitutes a scientific theory.


Chemical Evolution is proven and it is a theory, just by using Urey-Miller's Experiment, we can easily make proteins and amino acids.

It is not proven in the sense that it is 100% correct but rather proven in the sense that there is no sufficient theories or data to counter it. The same is for evolution, it is not 100% proven but there is nothing scientific that can sufficiently oppose it.

[Ryhanna]

Okay, I just want to say that the Theory of Evolution is exaclt that - a theory.
Not proven. Just like the bible is to some people.
I think there's a better explanation out there than the big bang and evolution... that just doesn't sound right to me.

[Sage]

Okay, I just want to say that the Theory of Evolution is exaclt that - a theory.
Not proven. Just like the bible is to some people.


You have no fucking idea what a scientific theory is.

[Perseus]

Okay, I just want to say that the Theory of Evolution is exaclt that - a theory.
Not proven. Just like the bible is to some people.
I think there's a better explanation out there than the big bang and evolution... that just doesn't sound right to me.

What do you believe because the Big Band Theory has proof, sort of... You confuse me, lol.

You can observe evolution, especially in bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotocis.

[Pudd]

For the correct conditions to come into place, it took trillions, maybe even longer in human time, for the big bang to become a possibility. But once those requirements were met, the universe was believed to be created in seconds of human time.
The reason ive added human time will be apparent in the next paragraph.

The world was not created in 6 days. This can be immediately ruled out as time is a human creation to keep track of events. Not by an immortal entity who has no need of time.
Also, its in the bible. Most of which is fiction and is just a guide on how to live an ideal life, which people have proccessed and created into different meanings and events, which uses mainly fear into making people follow the "Rules"

[Botchy]

It is Simple No one knows how the world was created

No one

[Sage]

It is Simple No one knows how the world was created

No one

DEEEERP.

Well, obviously! Just because no one could find the correct answer does not mean we can't speculate, and then rule out certain speculations as stupid and impossible.

[Ryhanna]

You have no fucking idea what a scientific theory is.

....Sigh. I'm geting annoyed with you saying stuff like that, your novelty wears off quite fast.

To The other dude that quoted me.
No, I don't believe in evolution or the big bang. Nor do I believe the bible, both are just bullshit stories (IMO) made up to explain why we're here.

[Sage]

....Sigh. I'm geting annoyed with you saying stuff like that, your novelty wears off quite fast.

Way to refute my point. *golf-clap*

[Perseus]

....Sigh. I'm geting annoyed with you saying stuff like that, your novelty wears off quite fast.

To The other dude that quoted me.
No, I don't believe in evolution or the big bang. Nor do I believe the bible, both are just bullshit stories (IMO) made up to explain why we're here.

Did you not read my post...? -.- *twitch*

[Ryhanna]

Did you not read my post...? -.- *twitch*

Yeah, I did. But HOW can you observe it? How long do you think they'd been studying this theory? It's relativley new, they can't have witnessed cells change THAT much in the last hundred or so years, can they?

[Ryhanna]

Way to refute my point. *golf-clap*

Your point that I'm a moron? Yeah, you sure got me
-_-
feel the scarcasm, Deschain. Feel it.

[kyle56]

there is no such thing as God. it has never been proven there is one and no one will ever know if there has been one. its like santa its something that some one made up to make people believe it

[Sage]

Your point that I'm a moron?
No, that's pretty evident. I was referring to the point that a scientific theory is completely different from a normal theory, and that if you can't understand the difference between the two you're far too ignorant to be debating anything in regards to science.

[Perseus]

Yeah, I did. But HOW can you observe it? How long do you think they'd been studying this theory? It's relativley new, they can't have witnessed cells change THAT much in the last hundred or so years, can they?

Bacteria and antibiotics. Look it up. Bacteria has adapted(basic idea of evolution/natural selection) to the things that kill them. So, they evolved to where they can't be killed off.

Seriously dude, have you ever learned about evolution at school or Bing'd or Googled it?

[CestDan]

Ok, first of all I think that all the religions explanations about the creation of the Universe are metaphors to create a easy way to make people understand the reason of everything. Now, I personally think that the Universe is energy, everything is made of energy: material things, animals, plants, people, etc. Indeed, theories are pretty much precise about these kind of explanations; however, the main point of all of this is that God and the Universe is the same thing, only with different terminologies.

For example, of you go with a physicist or any scientist and ask: what or who created the Universe? He or she would answer: energy. Well, describe energy: it cannot be created or destroyed, it has existed all the time, it changes, it doesn't have start or end. Ok... now go with a priest or a theologian, same question: who or what created the Universe? He/She would answer: God. Well, describe God: he cannot be created or destroyed, he has existed all the time, he changed, he doesn't have start or end...

See, it's the same concept with different terminology. As an abstract, I think that the creation of the Universe is only a way of explaining the evolution of itself, because It has been there all the time.

[Sage]

Ok, first of all I think that all the religions explanations about the creation of the Universe are metaphors to create a easy way to make people understand the reason of everything.
A metaphor for what? Do you even know what a metaphor is? That answer doesn't answer anything at all.

Now, I personally think that the Universe is energy, everything is made of energy: material things, animals, plants, people, etc. Indeed, theories are pretty much precise about these kind of explanations; however, the main point of all of this is that God and the Universe is the same thing, only with different terminologies.
Problem is, no one can agree on a proper definition of 'God' or the universe, and so you're pulling bullshit pseudo-science out of your ass based on abstract concepts that don't actually mean anything at all.

For example, of you go with a physicist or any scientist and ask: what or who created the Universe? He or she would answer: energy.
No, a scientist would tell you they don't know.

Well, describe energy: it cannot be created or destroyed, it has existed all the time, it changes, it doesn't have start or end. Ok... now go with a priest or a theologian, same question: who or what created the Universe? He/She would answer: God. Well, describe God: he cannot be created or destroyed, he has existed all the time, he changed, he doesn't have start or end...
You're applying the characteristics of one god to every god. Jehovah/Yahweh is not representative of any gods except itself. You're giving merit to a theological standpoint whilst completely dismissing every other theological standpoint: Basically any sort of belief that includes multiple deities or deities that lack omnipresence, omnipotence, and all those things makes your point moot.

See, it's the same concept with different terminology.
Same shit, different toilet. At the end of the day it's still shit.

As an abstract, I think that the creation of the Universe is only a way of explaining the evolution of itself, because It has been there all the time.
So creation having happened explains creation having never happened. That's your standpoint? Jesus Christ... ROTW gets dumber every week.

[CaptainObvious]

Yeah, I did. But HOW can you observe it? How long do you think they'd been studying this theory? It's relativley new, they can't have witnessed cells change THAT much in the last hundred or so years, can they?

You need education on this topic in a serious way. Microevolution is extraordinarily well-observed, the most easy to understand example being the evolution of drug resistant bacteria. Macroevolution, though not as well-documented by specific fossils or eyewitness accounts - being as it happened over huge time scales - still has tons of evidence for it.

[Sage]

You need education on this topic in a serious way. Microevolution is extraordinarily well-observed, the most easy to understand example being the evolution of drug resistant bacteria. Macroevolution, though not as well-documented by specific fossils or eyewitness accounts - being as it happened over huge time scales - still has tons of evidence for it.

Or to put it more simply, macroevolution is merely microevolution over a far grander period of time.

[Ryhanna]

OKay then.
Science is advanced now compared to like, ancient times. But in 2000 years we're probably going to look back and think 'how were we ever THAT dumb?'
lol

thanks for correcting me about evolution. Maybe it is possible haha

[Sage]

in 2000 years we're probably going to look back and think 'how were we ever THAT dumb?'

No, we're not, because we have something called the scientific method and they did not. Regardlessly- one should believe in whatever holds the most reason and evidence behind it until new evidence is found that suggests a different conclusion.

[INFERNO]

OKay then.
Science is advanced now compared to like, ancient times. But in 2000 years we're probably going to look back and think 'how were we ever THAT dumb?'
lol

Correct, science continuously attempts to improve upon itself. However, there's more than merely getting better technology, there's a change in culture and society. Recall how years ago, in Europe and North America, science wasn't allowed. Later on, science is allowed, so as time passes, it's not simply about how technology and science advance but how the culture and society that they are in change. If the society and culture revert back and disallow science, then will having all the great and wonderful technologies help in improving science? Not really.


thanks for correcting me about evolution. Maybe it is possible haha

It is more than possible, it has happened, it is happening and it will continue to happen. However, I still stand by what I said, look it up a bit on a reputable science website because it will be a painful and probably unsuccessful discussion if you haven't a clue about it while trying to refute it or say incorrect things and others attempt to correct you as you won't be able to truly understand what is being said.

[Ryhanna]

No, we're not, because we have something called the scientific method and they did not. Regardlessly- one should believe in whatever holds the most reason and evidence behind it until new evidence is found that suggests a different conclusion.

If I know ANYTHING about science it's that it's always changing and we are learning new things at a faster rate then ever before due to new technology and what not. One day we are going to think of our times like we do now of the middle ages.

[INFERNO]

If I know ANYTHING about science it's that it's always changing and we are learning new things at a faster rate then ever before due to new technology and what not. One day we are going to think of our times like we do now of the middle ages.

You're missing one fundamental thing though which I mentioned in my previous post, and that is that science is within a society, which is bound by various cultures. Years ago when there wasn't much scientific knowledge, there was also societies and cultures that disapproved of science, so fewer people were willing to practice it. The majority also stuck to their beliefs of science having little to no importance, so why bother dabbling in it? If they did dabble, the society frowned upon it and may even punish them. Nowadays that's not as common, so your comparisons are flawed due to not taking that into consideration.

Think of the Middle Ages and how it approved of science, how accepting it was of scientific endevours.

[Ryhanna]

Thats not what I mean, though. Middle ages technology wise. As in, they used fire and stuff for their light.. where as now, we have light bulbs.

[Wtficus]

i guarantee no one here has the knowledge to this answer, we can't go ask "god" (if he is even real) if he did. The conversation, or a debate, is pointless

[Amnesiac]

No, I don't believe so. Then again, I can't firmly stand by the Big Bang theory either, but I support it because it's the most stable idea we have right now.

It's impossible to really discover how the world/universe was created, so I don't see the point in debating it. It doesn't really have an impact on our lives. Yes, it'd be nice to know, but that's just a convenience.

[Perseus]

No, I don't believe so. Then again, I can't firmly stand by the Big Bang theory either, but I support it because it's the most stable idea we have right now.

It's impossible to really discover how the world/universe was created, so I don't see the point in debating it. It doesn't really have an impact on our lives. Yes, it'd be nice to know, but that's just a convenience.

Why can't you stand the Big Band Theory?

[Amnesiac]

Why can't you stand the Big Band Theory?

No, I mean I can't be 100% sure it's how the universe began. I support it, but I don't say "this IS how the universe began", I say "this is possibly how the universe began".

[Perseus]

No, I mean I can't be 100% sure it's how the universe began. I support it, but I don't say "this IS how the universe began", I say "this is possibly how the universe began".

All right, I see what you mean. I was just like, "If he can't stand it, why does he believe it?"

[Nichole]

No body really knows

[1_21Guns]

please do not bump threads that are over a month old, thanks :locked: