Windows Vista is PUBLIC!

[JunkBondTrader]

Vista Beta 2 went public a few hours ago. Microsofts servers are seriously full (won't even let me begin my downlaod) up so I'm downloading it from BitTorrent. Damn it's so shaky. Get the torrent from http://bittorrent.com !

Notice to Mods/Admins: This isn't warez or illegal in any way so please don't ban me or edit the link.

[renewedflame]

Vista needs to go die in a hole. :(

[JunkBondTrader]

Whats wrong with it? I tried a seriously early beta (still called longhorn back then :P) and found it full of bugs but I wanna' give it another shot. :D

[MoveAlong]

Vista needs to go die in a hole. :(
:|


I tried to install it but it is an unknown file type, so it didn't work for me :|

[JunkBondTrader]

You have to burn the image to a blank DVD. You can do this by downloading a nero trial or something then open the image. Well its 3.48AM and I'm attempting to install.

[Just...Will]

I'm buying the DVD from Microsoft, I don't trust my burner.

[MoveAlong]

Well its 3.48AM
Go to bed. :P

I'll install when I need to. I don't even know what it is! :P

[Glasgow]

lol Storm, its a new OS (Operating System) LIke WIndows XP, only apparently better :) I dunno if i wanna check it out

[rong626]

heres why u should not install Windows Vista...

Note: This is beta code and should not be used in a production environment or on a main machine in the home. Beta 2 is intended for developers, IT professionals and technology experts to continue or begin their testing of Windows Vista. Before you decide to use Beta 2, you should feel comfortable with installing operating systems, updating drivers, and general PC troubleshooting. Some risks of using beta operating systems include hardware and software incompatibility and system instability. If you have concerns about installing this beta software on your computer, we encourage you to obtain the final release version of Windows Vista when it is available in 2007.

[JunkBondTrader]

Thats not a reason for me :P. I live for Beta. Well I fell asleep in my chair during the install process at about 6AM and woke up about 15 minutes ago. It seems to be working.

[Ravenous]

Yeah I saw this yesterday, decided not to give it a go. Not overly confident with installing OS's and such malarky.
I am quite happy with XP for now, I don't trust many betas, especially MS ones :)

[kolte]

soooooooo, how is it!?!?

[JunkBondTrader]

Extremely buggy, looks horrible (even worse tha XPs Luna theme) and sound card won't work properly. Thats 4GB of bandwidth wasted. :(

[Just...Will]

Nero won't let me burn the ISO disc; it says it's too big. Help?

(I told it to create a bootable disc, and it's a DVD. It says that you can't burn something greater than 2 gb to an ISO disc.)

[Blahages]

Try using DeepBurner (Free Version) http://www.deepburner.com/?r=download

That's always worked good for me. And, it's free. Just tell it at the beginning to burn a CD/DVD ISO image, and select the file and it should work just fine. I use it to burn DVD images just fine.

I tried Build 5270 a while back and I hated it. I'm sure they've worked out some of the bugs, but Explorer.exe kept dying. They redid the UI so badly that I couldn't figure out half of the stuff. I'm really good with XP, and most every other MS OS, but they've made this so complicated. Trying to change one thing that'd take me 2 seconds in XP too me like 2 minutes, because they, to me, made it more complicated. You'd think they'd be going for greater simplicity.

Heck, the search feature didn't even work. I couldn't figure it out at all. Plus, like 50 other things were screwed up. It took like 2 hrs to install on my laptop too.

I mean, I know it's a Beta, but most beta's are in a lot better working condition then that. Seems more like a Alpha release.

I'd like to try 5384.4, but it's 3200meg. But... 46 hours to download doesn't sound like fun to me.

I wouldn't be surprised if Vista ended up being somewhat like Windows ME. I hope it's a failure. I've used Builds 4474, 5210, 5231, and 5270, and haven't been impressed. Sure, the newer builds are a LOT better then 4474, but I'm still not impressed. You can get most of the effects in XP or Linux for that matter, with a few easy addons. I'm already getting a lot of equivalent effects in Ubuntu as I could in Vista, and many of them are a lot better. If I was going to use XP or Vista, though, I'd probably stick with XP when Vista's released. You can already rig it to look similar, and it uses a lot less resources.

Although, I still think I'll stick with Ubuntu for everything, except Gaming.

[Aηdy]

Well i stated downloading it, then stopped it as i read further throught this thread, im just gonna wait until it is released properly.

[renewedflame]

http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/4579/53/

[Blahages]

One thing that MS did that I didn't like, was they're trying to force people to upgrade to DirectX 9 compatible cards, when you don't need them to run the effects Vista uses. Like, My AIW Radeon 9200 128 meg AGP card that is in my Old desktop will run Vista's Aero Glass interface just fine. But, it's not DX9 compatible, so they have it disabled for that card. It runs with the fancy effects turned off. But, with a quick registry edit, I can turn them on, and they work just fine.

Just MS trying to be annoying, I'm guessing.

I had Longhorn Alpha 4474 running on a Compaq Armada 500MHz laptop, with 320 meg of ram and a 8 meg ATI video card, with a 10GB HDD. Granted it didn't work that great, and it was an older version. At least they've figured out that the specs that they were originally thinking weren't right. The specs they list now sound more reasonable.

[JunkBondTrader]

Bah, I should never have messed with Vista. I can't believe that MS would do that. They keep doing stuff like that, like trying to get me to buy an HDTV. How rich does Gates think we are? We're not all the richest man in the world like him.

Well, I set Linux up almost immediately afterwards.

Oh, and William, I underestimated Kubuntu, I actually quite like it. ;)

[renewedflame]

Bah, I should never have messed with Vista. I can't believe that MS would do that. They keep doing stuff like that, like trying to get me to buy an HDTV. How rich does Gates think we are? We're not all the richest man in the world like him.

Well, I set Linux up almost immediately afterwards.

Oh, and William, I underestimated Kubuntu, I actually quite like it. ;)

Ubuntu :wub: But uh, I dont like KDE so Kubuntu :rolleyes:

[JunkBondTrader]

Yeah, Ubuntu is pretty cool, second only to Gentoo. 8) I do however prefer KDE and Fluxbox to GNOME. :P

[Blahages]

I used to prefer KDE over Gnome. But, it seems as of recently Gnome has been running better. Maybe when KDE 4 is released. And, when more effort is put into Kubuntu, as has been with Ubuntu. It just seems that they're not putting as much time into it.

I'll try installing the Kubuntu part of it onto my Ubuntu once I recieve my CDs I ordered. I don't have the patience to download 550 meg right now to install the KDE part. It'd take forever.

Gentoo is okay. I'd be nice if Ubuntu had a i686 or K7 build though. It's all i386, whereas Gentoo is i686 (I believe). More optimized. Although, Ubuntu has gotten a LOT faster on my computer recently.

I have a recently Gentoo Live CD which is supposed to allow me to install it. But, apparently they didn't spend enough time with the live installer, and it doesn't work. Sometimes it gets farther then others, but it never finishes. If that worked, I'd have a better opinion of it. I'm too lazy to try to figure out the regular installer. I used Kororaa, which I'm assuming is basically the same since it's based off Gentoo. Which, I liked quite a bit, until Ubuntu Dapper fixed the slowness I was getting before and the ATI drivers got update to support Xorg 7.

[0=]

Meh, I'm gonna copy my hard drive before I install vista.

[JunkBondTrader]

I used to prefer KDE over Gnome. But, it seems as of recently Gnome has been running better. Maybe when KDE 4 is released. And, when more effort is put into Kubuntu, as has been with Ubuntu. It just seems that they're not putting as much time into it.

I'll try installing the Kubuntu part of it onto my Ubuntu once I recieve my CDs I ordered. I don't have the patience to download 550 meg right now to install the KDE part. It'd take forever.

Gentoo is okay. I'd be nice if Ubuntu had a i686 or K7 build though. It's all i386, whereas Gentoo is i686 (I believe). More optimized. Although, Ubuntu has gotten a LOT faster on my computer recently.

I have a recently Gentoo Live CD which is supposed to allow me to install it. But, apparently they didn't spend enough time with the live installer, and it doesn't work. Sometimes it gets farther then others, but it never finishes. If that worked, I'd have a better opinion of it. I'm too lazy to try to figure out the regular installer. I used Kororaa, which I'm assuming is basically the same since it's based off Gentoo. Which, I liked quite a bit, until Ubuntu Dapper fixed the slowness I was getting before and the ATI drivers got update to support Xorg 7.
Hmmm... the installer is very, VERY delicate, which I find annoying. It has no way of resolving conflicts so, for example, if you enable one thing that depends on another then it won't work. If you look at the guide on Gentoo.org then it's easy to resolve all the conflicts. I installed it perfecttly on my Celeron machine but my new CPU (AMD64)... well, let's just say that the installer doesn't like it very much. I had to install it manually... took 72 hours. As for Kororaa, I like it a lot, as a binary Gentoo installation has been needed for a long time but every time I try to install the 64-bit version I get a kernel panic. I might just install the 32-bit version the recompile all my packages and the kernel... which actually defeats the point of Kororaa. :P

Oh, and Gentoo isn'y optimised for any architecture. It optimised for whoever is installing it because it's source based.

[0=]

Woot got the dvd burner ordered, it was a steal, 10 dollars after 90 dollars in rebates, and it came with etrust internet security suite.

Oh and if I were to switch to Linux, what would be a good one for games, music, movies, and internet surfing?

Oh huh, already at number 250?

[Blahages]

I got to see Vista Beta 2 today, when I Went to a "technology fair" or whatever it was at Secant. Someone was demoing it and I got to mess with it. They've made it better, but I still hate some of the interface. Some of it just seems like they've made it harder then XP and before.

You can really see where they stole stuff, basically from OSx and Linux and incorporated it into the OS. I mean, most the visuals, the "Run As Administrator" where it asks you for your admin password on a limited user account, like linux, etc. I haven't gotten to extensively mess with it yet.

That's what I'll be doing tomorrow night, probably. I've got about 63% of the x86 edition downloaded, and 21 hrs left. I'm taking my laptop to work tomorrow to finish the download on a faster connection.

I already downloaded the ATI drivers for Beta 2. They're rediculous. Freaking 47 meg for the x86 and 87 meg compressed/127 decompressed for the Combo x86/x64 driver. Wow.

I plan to install Office 2007 Beta 2 as well. It looked pretty good.

One thing I did notice while messing with Vista today was that the screen just randomly blacked out and refreshed quite often. Sometimes even shutting the Themes off for a few seconds. Quite odd, but overall seems less buggy then the other releases. A LOT better then Build 5231 which is the last I tested.

There was a Microsoft Guy there showing it off, and he tried to show me some things, with playing a video and hitting ALT+Tab, or showing the preview by hovering the mouse over the program on the taskbar, and how it's supposed to be live video through those. And, the first time it didn't work and he was like "crap" and tried to fix it without us really seeing it. Hmm...

The MS Guy was like "Yeah, Beta 2 is stable enough to run as your main os [blah blah blah blah, etc]" and how it wasn't crashing.

Hahah, yeah... That's why when I opened up the "System Properties" page the 3rd time and it comes up saying "Page unable to be displayed" and wouldn't open up at all anymore. And, that's also why the screen kept blacking out and refreshing the entire screen, and reloading the Aero theme. If they would have actually taken the time to load the ATI drivers, the blackout thingy might not have been an issue, I dunno. But, I found the system properties thingy kind of funny.


Hmmm... the installer is very, VERY delicate, which I find annoying. It has no way of resolving conflicts so, for example, if you enable one thing that depends on another then it won't work. If you look at the guide on Gentoo.org then it's easy to resolve all the conflicts. I installed it perfecttly on my Celeron machine but my new CPU (AMD64)... well, let's just say that the installer doesn't like it very much. I had to install it manually... took 72 hours. As for Kororaa, I like it a lot, as a binary Gentoo installation has been needed for a long time but every time I try to install the 64-bit version I get a kernel panic. I might just install the 32-bit version the recompile all my packages and the kernel... which actually defeats the point of Kororaa.

Oh, and Gentoo isn'y optimised for any architecture. It optimised for whoever is installing it because it's source based.

Yeah, I'm not sure what the issue with the installer was. I've had it get like 70-80% done before, I believe with the same options I always set before it quit. Usually it just sits there not doing anything. It doesn't crash, it just doesn't do anything when I tell it to install. I always tell it to just basically copy the live cd content over, instead of a fresh install.

[Blahages]

I finally finished the download, after like 4 straight days of downloading at home to get 2.2GB of it done, and about 1.2 hrs of downloading at work for the remaining 1GB, and it finished. And, it decided to corrupt itself. Open the ISO and I have one file. Readme.txt. Just one file. The other things show up if I use ISOBuster, and such, but it's corrupted enough that it won't extract any of it.

Looks like I gotta redownload the entire thing. I'll just take my laptop to work and get it there. That's freaking annoying.

At least my Office 2007 B2 download didn't corrupt itself.

Oh well.

[JunkBondTrader]

I finally finished the download, after like 4 straight days of downloading at home to get 2.2GB of it done, and about 1.2 hrs of downloading at work for the remaining 1GB, and it finished. And, it decided to corrupt itself. Open the ISO and I have one file. Readme.txt. Just one file. The other things show up if I use ISOBuster, and such, but it's corrupted enough that it won't extract any of it.

Looks like I gotta redownload the entire thing. I'll just take my laptop to work and get it there. That's freaking annoying.

At least my Office 2007 B2 download didn't corrupt itself.

Oh well.
Damn, that sucks. :( Oh, and if you wanted to download the Kubuntu part it's only about 160MB. sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop

[Blahages]

Damn, that sucks. :( Oh, and if you wanted to download the Kubuntu part it's only about 160MB. sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop

I redownloaded Vista and realized I was stupid. Apparently MS did something to the ISO so you cannot view most the files in the ISO very easily, and can't extract them all without a lot of problem. But, if you just burn the ISO to a DVD it works just fine. I kept thinking it was corrupted. Open the ISO and only a "Readme.txt" file was present. It was like that the second time too. So, I thought, what the heck, and burned it. And, it's fine. Must be some new type of "anti copy" protection for ISOs or something that MS is using, that I haven't seen before.

They really should indicate somewhere that it's not not a corrupted file, but something else. I really thought I had a bad file. And, downloading 3.2 GB isn't a little bit. Kubuntu? Where'd that come up? :) I don't remember talking about that recently. I have the Desktop CD for Both Ubuntu and Kubuntu 6.06 anyway. ...Err, wait. I think I remember saying something about having the Live but not the actual Alternative Install. Yeah, I could do that, but when I typed that, it said something about 500 meg. Maybe that was the Space it was using, but I thought it was the amount it had to fetch.

I tried the Gentoo Live installer again yesterday. It's seriously broken. I managed to get it to install, and it got to 99% and it couldn't emerge grub from one mirror so it failed. The entire install. It should have a backup mirror for that. I managed to boot off my Kubuntu Live CD and install Grub that way, and booted up, and it was dead. It hadn't copied a lot. So, I booted up and copied the contents of the SquashFS File on the LiveCD to the HDD, and it worked just fine after that.

I downloaded the Stage 1-3 Tar.gz files after that. I'll try using them sometime, instead of the LiveCD contents.

I also downloaded Slackware the other day, and that installed easier. But, it's like out of date. I even used that Slapt-get utility that I found for you a while back and it updated some things, 200 meg, but KDE and the Kernel are still out of date. I guess they aren't keeping things up to date.

I got Fox Desktop Linux 1 today, and installed that. It looks nice, and it runs really fast. It's based on Fedora, which I dislike, but it's not bad. You can sure tell it's Fedora based, since the setup fails the first time in partitioning the hdd. Fedora has ALWAYS done that for me.

Anyway, I got Vista installed and Installed the Vista ATI drivers, and still wasn't impressed. I've booted it like 3 times, all one night. And, I haven't touched it in like 3 days.

[rong626]

meh,i think i will wait for a few more years and stick to windows XP

[0=]

Meh I've got it all planned out, get a job next summer when I'm 14, save up over 1000 dollars, upgrade the motherboard and processor (dual core woohoo:yeah: ) and get vista ultimate. Of course, In 2008....*sigh*

[rong626]

your 14 and u do all that?

[Aηdy]

my mew mobo is AMD 64-bit compatable :D nice for upgrading to vista

[Zazu]

My mate tried it on his pc (his mobo is only a 32-bit) and apparently it was really really unstable, his pc kept crashing every cuple of minutes even though he's got about 1.5gig of ram, 3.4-ish Ghz processor. So that kinda put me right off it.

[check it]

what is microsoft vista?

[MoveAlong]

I belive it states in this thread since I asked the same question, you can read the whole thread to find out.

[check it]

hmmm... not gunna happen... will someone just send me a private message explaining it to me?

[MoveAlong]

Ok, that's good. You are not going to read a entire thread of 4 pages. :clap: I guess you'll miss out on alot then.

[Blahages]

what is microsoft vista?

Next Version of Windows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista

[Aηdy]

yeah its just like windows 3.1,95,98,2K and Xp, just the latest version

[JunkBondTrader]

My mate tried it on his pc (his mobo is only a 32-bit) and apparently it was really really unstable, his pc kept crashing every cuple of minutes even though he's got about 1.5gig of ram, 3.4-ish Ghz processor. So that kinda put me right off it.
I know. It sucked on my computer too. AMD64 3200+ " 2.0GHz and 2GB RAM. It should have performed well. :(

[advent_child]

and the vista beta is no longer public. cause it sucks huge hairy... craniums!

[JunkBondTrader]

Indeed. :P You can still get in on BitTorrent though.